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12:00 AM
it... like, does things
it's cool
 
Eh programming
 
I think there is a way to build Helm on windows actually
they just haven't shared it :P
it's been marked as "Coming soon" on their website for a year now
 
mature libraries can't risk introducing potential breakage and shipping incomplete features man
 
yeah I agree, but in such case I don't tease with "coming soon"
 
where's that irony punctuation mark
last time my fontset didn't have it
 
12:02 AM
I see :P
 
how's it going with your amp?
 
I tried a different electric socket so far, didn't change anything
haven't had time to do more yet
 
user1804599
Tomorrow I'll work on my VM.
 
user1804599
My first register-based VM will be a fact.
 
my semester is ending the next week and I have some classes to finish and I also need to hand in some preliminary stuff for my thesis
 
12:03 AM
mine too as well
i should probably take some exams
they're worth money after all
 
yeah same; fortunately, now that I am in the last year for master's, I only have... well, 3 finals basically
 
alright
that's a lot better
I love you contenteditable div
 
I had 7 sodding finals in me first semester :-\
 
Ell
@StackedCrooked what exactly is your logo supposed to be? An "o" inside a "C"?
 
hmm
 
12:05 AM
half of which was crap like: "which norm talks about acceptable voltages <someplace>": a) 804.4E b) 811.47C c) STN141
 
so how does the user remove a file?
probably just render an X button in an appropriate place
and speaking of which, I should probably drop that "Add File" button in favour of a + button
 
did you guys ever play this game, it's great
the linux crowd prolly played it
 
is it where Puppy keeps posting pictures of his work-in-progress re-design?
cause I am playing that game.
 
no it's the open source clone of elastomania
 
Ell
@Puppy you should use a better text editor also
 
12:17 AM
argh elastomania, the game where you spend 4 minutes driving through the level, only to hit your head on an arbitrary wall
 
@milleniumbug haha, yea
I look at replays by people with world records in xmoto on long levels
and can only imagine how many tries they needed to do a world record on a level tons of minutes long
 
user406009
Ah yes, stockfighter has just launched!
 
user406009
I hope it's as good of a game as Microcorruption.
 
user406009
12:19 AM
Microcorruption was awesome.
 
I discovered xmoto years ago when I tried ubuntu
still playing it
 
user1804599
Hmm. I just realised.
 
user1804599
In C#, every method that potentially throws has call-related overhead, even if inlined.
 
user1804599
Because of stack traces.
 
user406009
@Elyse In what way? Doesn't the stack record exist regardless of exceptions?
 
12:21 AM
is it reasonable to emphasize a section of a thesis to advise the reader that the section is of particular importance and contains main ideas and motives of the entire work? (emphasize with something along the lines of "This section is of paramount importance yo!")
 
user406009
Well I guess certain optimizations (such as inlining) might be less effective in C# due to the stack traces.
 
user406009
But I guess that depends on which guarantees C# gives you about stack traces.
 
user406009
@ScarletAmaranth I think coming here for writing advice is probably not the best of ideas.
 
I will take itwith a grain of salt ;)
 
user406009
I would say to emphasize it with language and placement.
 
user406009
12:24 AM
Place the important stuff first.
 
user406009
And then say like the "Prime motivation of this work is ..."
 
yes but that is not possible in this particular scenario
 
user406009
"The core thingy of blah is ..."
 
the structure basically says what is currently being done with <something>, as in: people have used this information to do this and that
and it slowly enumerates more and more complicated things that can be done with it
and "my thing" is one step further
and as such I would like it to be placed "as the next natural step"
of course there is a mention of prime motivation at the very beginning, but it is just that: a basic idea
"look, here is that thing I was talking about at the very beginning; this is what I'll be focusing on" kind of thing :P
 
Ell
@Puppy lol now I'm having trouble with random space coming from nowhere
in my css
 
12:34 AM
user image
8
 
impressive
 
@fredoverflow looks par for the course. Using c++ are we?
 
@fredoverflow what is that editor?
 
@fredoverflow my atom looks differently :(
 
12:38 AM
@Elyse How many registers will it have? 16? 256? infinity?
 
user1804599
The function defines how many registers it needs, and the VM will provide that many registers.
 
@fredoverflow writing a C++ compiler must be akin to dragging your penis through molten lava
 
(aka. infinity)
 
user1804599
The number will probably be stored in 16 bits in the object files.
 
user406009
Nice. Spilling is a usually a PITA. Always nice to avoid it :)
 
user1804599
12:40 AM
And most instructions will take register indices as 8-bit integers. One instruction will take 16-bit integers and swaps the values in the two given registers.
 
user1804599
Because otherwise instructions will be very large, and endianness conversion has to constantly take place, and whatnot.
 
user406009
Wait, so you have infinite registers, but you can only use 256 of them for most operations?
 
user1804599
I doubt you'll often use more than 256 registers anyway.
 
user1804599
No, you have 65536 registers.
 
user406009
Well, then you have to perform spilling when compiling to your VM.
 
user1804599
12:43 AM
If you want to use more than 256, you have to swap occasionally.
 
user1804599
E.g. if you want to add register 2 to register 1, you do add r1, r2. If you want to add register 257 to register 1, you do swap r2, r257; add r1, r2; swap r2, r257.
 
user1804599
It's not spilling.
 
user1804599
It's just a way to save space and decoding time.
 
In weird news, I got another donation on livecoding earlier this week. After not streaming for over a week. It was a considerable amount.
 
How long have you considered the amount for.
 
user1804599
12:45 AM
Spilling would be writing to the call stack.
 
@ScarletAmaranth Quite a bit
 
user1804599
I store the registers on the call stack.
 
user406009
@sehe That's cause you are best streamer there.
 
Aw. Thanks
 
@sehe Are you perhaps still in the state of consideration (of the aforementioned amount, of course)?
 
12:46 AM
Nah. Though I'm considering an apt response
 
user406009
@Elyse Well, given a source code in like C++ style syntax, you still have to do register assignment.
 
user1804599
@Lalaland It will be very simple.
 
@sehe are donations anonymous?
 
user406009
So if you want somewhat efficient code, you need to find out which values interfere with which other values.
 
@sehe so the donation is not anonymous and the response that is being considered by you will be aimed at the donor?
 
user1804599
12:47 AM
My code generation will simply reserve registers 0 and 1 for swapping, and use the other ones for data.
 
@JohanLarsson well, yes and no. I can see the LC account name /cc @ScarletAmaranth
 
user1804599
I simply use one register for each SSA instruction result.
 
I would love to watch you but I get a big middle finger from the site when I connect to it
:: how about no ::
 
user1804599
@Lalaland I don't really care about efficiency a lot.
 
user1804599
In fact, I don't think I'll even use a binary format at all.
 
user1804599
12:49 AM
When V8 finally supports TCO, I don't need the VM anymore anyway, since I can just target JS directly.
 
user406009
Why not just target JS from the start? You can compile around TCO.
 
user406009
(With varying difficulty dependending on how many cases you want to support)
 
Someone describing himself as a "Visionary Entrepreneur" just added me on LinkedIn. I think we have found the real Satoshi Nakamoto.
lol
@ScarletAmaranth HTML5 support is there (in quiet beta?). Look for cues
 
@sehe I close websites that greet me with a middle finger :)
 
meh
 
12:55 AM
maybe I have become too lazy, but I really like when things just... work out of the box
give me a butan that says: would you like to try out our experimental beta alpha gamma delta html5 version?
yes, sure, I'll click that one butan after they have made sure I know it's experimental if they really want me to know
 
@Puppy hmm, +, x, what happens when you add a a - button? :p
 
@ScarletAmaranth Me too. I don't bother with shit that annoys me. I don't blame you
 
@sehe one of reasons I am not a Linux user - "you need to install this particular driver for your particular GPU; oh and the installation process is done in the terminal" well great :-\
 
Ubuntu solves that for me
 
last time I tried with an AMD GPU (which as I was told have better Linux support) it didn't work out any well
 
Ell
1:07 AM
@ScarletAmaranth depends
Nvidia proprietary is better
In fact nvidia is probably just better supported
Intel is best supported
 
vOv I wouldn't know; but I am not going to google for an hour to install a driver for my GPu - (having no experience with Linux)
 
Ell
It depends on your distro remember
Linux is a kernel
In Ubuntu, you click on the unity menu and go to "Additional Drivers " them press install recommended
 
yeah I tried just that
and it didn't work any well
 
Holy crap:
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Q: C++: perfect transparent wrapping of base types into a class?

KarenReiI'm trying to develop a class which perfectly wraps base types so that one can use them exactly like normal, yet also extend them / add new functionality (c++11/c++14/etc are just fine). So far I haven't succeeded. Here's an example of what I'm running into (here I'm only implementing the plus ...

 
actually the installation process failed and I had to google and install one from within terminal
and that one didn't work either
 
user1804599
across xs as x loop
    x.print
end
 
that stuff is sick
 
user1804599
This loop syntax is great.
 
user1804599
Eiffel is great.
 
user1804599
1:16 AM
 
user406009
@TonyTheLion Who controls that twitter account?
 
@Lalaland me
 
@melak47 wow dat arrow
I must print it and post it on my wall
 
user1804599
 
so... PERFECT
 
1:24 AM
oh my
 
@milleniumbug Is it a hammer? :o
 
I'd say it's a shark
 
> That mess will just be rolled into a define [...].
 
Greets.
 
oh, he's just a TMP noob
 
1:30 AM
I prefer the AWP.
 
Not sure if this is the chat for it - but has anyone attempted to set up CUDA toolkit with MSVS community edition?
 
user406009
@user5656558 AWP is old school. All the cool kids just use the revolver now.
 
You better not shout. You better not cry. You better not pout. I'm telling you why. Life is a meaningless parade towards death.
 
@Lalaland I haven't played since 1.6
 
oh my :P
 
1:32 AM
42 rep is a good number
 
also he's using the type template default argument enable_if. That's a bad start
 
I like that. Why is it bad
 
I switched from typename = typename std::enable_if<cond>::type to typename std::enable_if<cond>::type* = 0 to avoid ambiguities
 
I decided to put it in the return type so that I could use std::enable_if_t...
And still avoid the ambiguity.
 
user406009
And this is why we should get static_if. Ignore the haters.
 
1:36 AM
@Morwenn inconsistent with constructors
 
Concepts solve most of my SFINAE problems.
 
@milleniumbug I first thought it looked somewhat like the haskell logo :p
 
@milleniumbug Not a problem most of the time.
 
mumble?
its that time of the day we need to catch up on important matters on mumble :)
 
@milleniumbug pointer is ugly. std::enable_if_t<cond, int> = 0 :)
 
1:38 AM
@Morwenn concepts solve all my planning woes (by not being available)
@milleniumbug what ambiguities?
 
@melak47 std::enable_if is ugly, no matter how you use it x)
 
:(
 
@sehe You could use g++6 :p
 
Ell
Guys IRC please
We need to keep Scott company
 
@Morwenn wheels::meta::EnableIf then :p
 
Ell
1:43 AM
Why did they change timestamp color :V
 
@Ell what IRC? know a good IRC client for windows? :)
with oneboxing and murkdown? :D
 
@melak47 The one that doesn't work with clang++?
 
Ell
#loungecpp on freenode
Idk a good windows client
 
@Morwenn I dunno :p
 
Ell
I swear I've seen you in there tho o.O
 
1:44 AM
@sehe consider ideone.com/KKOVCa vs ideone.com/7TLdld (yeah, these could use tag dispatching instead, but that's another issue)
 
@Morwenn oh you mean robots beloved EnableIf<stuff>...?
 
@melak47 Yep.
 
@jaggedSpire mumble?
 
just substitute = 0 for ...
 
@TonyTheLion in a little bit
 
1:45 AM
I wouldn't usually try to correct @RichardDawkins but isn't that orthogonal? People need not agree about their agreement... #subjectivity
let's see
 
with type argument, these two functions have the same template signature (not sure how it's called now)
 
@milleniumbug Oh. You meant that. It's still a default template argument, so I was confused. Yeah, using disparate types is not very useful. And the pattern is to have an Enable template type argument anyways
 
@Morwenn also, the standard doesn't allow multiple parameter packs that can't be deduced, so robots method is only legal for one EnableIf, and only if you're not already in a variadic function template :(
@milleniumbug I don't remember this site being so cramped...
 
oh my
 
Yeah it looked bad for me too
 
1:51 AM
@melak47 interesting, I thought that was broken for me only
 
@Borgleader awwww <3
 
@sehe not familiar with "the pattern". can you elaborate?
 
@TonyTheLion :O
 
@milleniumbug It's when you have a base template template <..., typename Enable = void> class X just so that any future specializations can use the Enable argument in partial specializations
 
ok, now I get it
 
2:00 AM
Eh~, it's way past bedtime again.
 
@Ell I don't know.
 
I've been installing libtools for over 8 hours :(
 
@Ell ask cat
 
on 8 cores :(
 
@TonyTheLion :3
 
2:01 AM
Use make -j
:P
 
clang uses ninja as a build tool
but same diff.
I did ninja -j8
 
Good night everyone ^_^
 
good night
 
@Morwenn what time zone are you in? goodnight
 
@TrevorHickey I live in France.
 
2:04 AM
french is a confusing language.. but it sounds pretty
All I wanted to do today was build a small static analyzer, but the LibTools installation has taken up all of my Saturday :(
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus what is coliru logo?
I think it needs an update
 
I live in the United States of Trump.
 
@user5656558 he's banned from running now. I think. I don't pay much attention to politics.
 
no he's not
 
Ell
@StackedCrooked what is your favourite animal?
 
2:13 AM
oh really? lol
 
@Ell dog
 
Ell
Any breed in particular?
 
@TrevorHickey Not that I heard...source?
 
@Ell not really.
I just like them in general.
 
@user5656558 he said something about kicking muslims out of the united states, lol. And saying that disqualifies him-- but I really don't know.
 
2:15 AM
@TrevorHickey Haha, no it doesn't.
He's getting ratings for saying that stuff.
 
Ell
Coliru logo should be a dog then
Someone make a kick starter for coliru new logo
 
@TrevorHickey lol
 
@user5656558 yeah, definitely. Maybe it potentially bans him from future debates. Or there is at least a petition to.
 
Ell
So stupid
 
Has anyone ever used clang's lib tools?
.. or lib tooling as its called
.. well I haven't. because it takes a million years to build
 
Ell
2:24 AM
Lol no
 
@jaggedSpire It is by the order of Scott for you to get on Mumble immediately.
 
@user3886129 kay
but I just found about three gallons of fanfiction
some of it might even be good
 
2:41 AM
#disgusted
 
@Ell I haven't been there, at least not recently
 
http://coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/4f317efe35abe8f2 /cc @ScarletAmaranth
With reference to http://boost.2283326.n4.nabble.com/Some-questions-about-Spirit-X3-td4661099i100.html
 
I made it die!
 
lol
 
get back to work, Microsoft (R) C/C++ Optimizing Compiler you lazy bum!
 
2:46 AM
development on windows
funny joke
 
@nick I'm shameless I know
 
@jaggedSpire write a lounge fanfic
 
@TrevorHickey hehehe. Someone else posited that would disqualify him. If only it worked that way
 
@nick no
 
lol
 
2:48 AM
I'm shit at writing why do you think I read shit writing
 
i'm shittier at writing but I only read top shelf books
 
hello
 
:D /cc @TonyTheLion @Borgleader @WGhost
 
Beautifru
 
2:56 AM
I'm melting, I'm melting /cc @Borgleader
 
4am and not sleepy
My sleep schedule is fucked again
 
so is mine
 
I noticed
 
user406009
The solution is to stay up so late.
 
user406009
3:00 AM
That you get sleepy by the next day around when you need to go to sleep.
 
Yeah, that doesn't work
I tried
 
I slept 12 hours. I must have not realized that I was exhausted.
 
Also colour codes are better descriptions than the names themselves if you want to be very specific about a colour.
Take pink for example:
 
3:05 AM
I'm refactoring my robot factory
 
you're creating a factory of Robot's?
woah
 
@TonyTheLion now I want waffles
 
Ell
@tony wow you're bored :P
 
@Jefery let robots refactor it for you
 
@Ell I'm on mumble, and it is 3 am
 
@melak47 Yeah, well. I gotta tell them where to build
 
user406009
@Jefery The solution is more caffeine.
 
user406009
Caffeine is sorta like violence. If it isn't working, you probably aren't using enough of it.
 
@jaggedSpire <3 :) :) <3
@Borgleader you're missing the red panda festivities
 
lol, what with you and red panda :p
 
@Telkitty They are so cute I can't stand it
 
morning
 
morning
 
3:14 AM
@fredoverflow Is that VIM?!
 
@AngryLettuce mornin'
okay, the red panda dump is done for tonight
 
Oh , boy..
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10102521282381691&set=a.529237706231.2034669.4&type=3&theater
 
I'm contemplating starting every red panda post with Red Panda: so it's chat searchable
so when I'm real depressed I can just search that and enter a land of sheer adorableness
Red Panda: okay, I lied
 
Ell
Nathan Fielder is a genious youtu.be/h1xCqptlNcM
 
3:37 AM
@Ell what is with this sleeping schedule of yours lately?
 
what sleeping schedule :P
 
@TonyTheLion You asked it Too late
 
@AngryLettuce mourning
 
user406009
Sleep is for the week.
 
night <3
 
3:46 AM
4-5 hours of sleep is enough for me
 
night <3
 
@sehe :D great success, ty
 
Sweep is for the leek
 
I slept for ~10 hrs last night
 
@TonyTheLion <3<3<3<3
@TonyTheLion I was afk, some friends came over
 
3:52 AM
@AngryLettuce leek you say?
@Borgleader pretty much all my links from when I pinged you are part of a red panda dump
until here:
35 mins ago, by jaggedSpire
Red Panda: okay, I lied
 
@jaggedSpire :3 I'm going to go be a human puddle in front of the fireplace now
 
@Borgleader muahahahaaa
 
so true... so true
 
yeaa
this is def "you need to listen to this"
 
do i hef to
 
4:10 AM
@nick yes you think Alex would have said "you need to listen to this" if you didn't
jeez
 
:(
 
@nick <3
 
Geisterstadt here also is
couldn't find a link of the track only
I'd say that I like the whole album but after many years of listening to it, Geisterstadt is the only track that I didn't get enough of :P
I'm especially sick of gamma velorum, which used to be on long loops before
 
4:31 AM
TIL that the Spartans were historically known to deliver badass one-liners which were dubbed as "Laconic Phrases" reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/3wkdsh/…
> After invading southern Greece and receiving the submission of other key city-states, Philip II of Macedon sent a message to Sparta: "If I invade Laconia you will be destroyed, never to rise again." The Spartan ephors replied with a single word: "If" (αἴκα).[28]
that's pretty badass
 
@Lalaland Ouch
 
@Ell Absolutely nothing
 
@Ell I've always assumed it was a green "C" together with a small "o"
 

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