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8:00 PM
they're just pointlessly killing a bunch of people on both sides instead of actually getting down to business
 
i have a new word for the terrorists: sala-fisten
 
It isn't pointless if you wipe out people you don't want around
 
@Puppy ... you do realise there is no physical area of land called IS... it's a group of people dicks...
 
@thecoshman Doesn't matter what it's called.
what matters is that they effectively exercise control over it.
 
@Lalaland but they are not muslims.
 
user406009
8:01 PM
I believe the new "hip" term for ISIS is Daeshbags
 
@Morwenn They're not all over the place. Their headquarters is in Raqqa for example.
you can't be all over the place and simultaneously occupy several cities.
 
wrong. those terrorists are muslims. they have a certain interpretation of the koran
 
I tend to avoid TMP if possible because I don't have a good handle on the rules yet. So it's very possible that it's not allowed. Also variable templates are very new.
 
@Puppy Yeah, but you can't have them surrender by having someone declare "I surrender" as you can do with a proper state.
 
I think Abyx was saying that the Vietnamese and other refugees weren't Muslim
 
user406009
8:01 PM
@Abyx Yeah, Islam and the Koran is pretty screwed up. But so is the Old Testament.
 
user406009
The trick is teaching people to ignore those holy books.
 
@Morwenn They won't so that's not a problem.
 
@Lalaland that's blasphemy.
 
user406009
And we have done a great job of getting people to ignore the Old Testament.
 
@Puppy More like it's the actual problem.
 
8:02 PM
@Morwenn Well I agree that their inability to surrender is a problem, but it does solve other problems.
 
@Lalaland The trick is teaching people not to listen to evil men that interpret it to suit their own twisted and evil ends.
 
it doesn't help to say "these people are not religious"... let's not ignore that religion starts to mess with people in the first place and prepares them for the next step of terrorism: to be radicalized and have their moral instinct completely shut off
 
I think the biggest issue is fake refugees that are trying to slip in amongst valid migrants. There's a lot of propaganda on both sides, but I've read that ISIS may have control of official passport printing and the like so it seems like a valid concern.
 
religion can be peaceful if exercised by peaceful people. but it can cause have massive damage aswell
 
@TonyTheLion Haha, good and evil.
 
8:04 PM
Especially in Canada where they are (already?) taking in 1,000 a day. How do you screen people that quickly?
 
the thing about Christianity is that you can safely say that the Bible is not that important and having the proper faith is enough. That doesn't work with Koran. Koran is the book written by the God himself, it was never changed. You cannot just ignore Koran like the Old Testament.
 
user406009
@Abyx Yes, that argument does have some validity.
 
user406009
But I think it can be solved with a religious reformation.
 
@Lalaland Not really.
 
"that you can safely say that the Bible is not that important" .. i am sorry, I don't understand
 
8:05 PM
there's a shitload of Christians who do really stupid shit because they think the Bible should be taken verbatim.
the only reason Christian peoples don't act that way as a state anymore, somewhat, is because they figured out better over the much longer course of their existence.
 
the christians I know can be partitioned into two: those like you describe, and those for whom the Bible is extremely important and that interpret it literally
 
@ᐅJohannesSchaub-litbᐊ well some Christians say that the Old Testament is just a bunch of old tales, and the New Testament is the true book.
 
the second partition corresponds to the islamistic terrorists
 
user406009
Well, there are Christian terrorists as well.
 
user406009
Bombing abortion clinics, etc.
 
8:07 PM
Religion is retarded.
 
@Abyx well some cplusplusers say that the C is just a bunch of old tales, and the C++ is the true language
 
@wilx Yes, and statements like that don't divide people even more. </sarcasm>
 
@Lalaland it's not so easy to justify suicide if you're Christian
 
8:07 PM
Don't care.
 
user406009
@wilx I agree. But that's not the right approach for achieving our goals.
 
@TonyTheLion Athiests can be just as retarded. I just don't think it's quite so common.
 
@wilx Unconditional faith is retarded. And we're all guilty of it.
 
I'll have you know I'm a proud C++ zealot and I'll fight with every last bit (byte?) in my compiler to spread its glorious teachings
 
user406009
I think the best way we can achieve our goals is supporting a religious reformation of moderate Islam.
 
8:08 PM
@wilx it is not as a crowd-control tool. and sometimes we really need it.
 
@Borgleader that's bad news :( but it's going to raise german police's reputation
 
user1804599
@Lalaland So you kill people because you don't like people killing people? Great logic!
 
user406009
In the same way that Saudia Arabia supports certain mosques, we should support others.
 
user406009
@Elyse The difference is of scale. That doctor is "killing" thousands of lives according to them.
 
user406009
One death is worth the many.
 
user406009
8:10 PM
At least that's their logic.
 
user406009
I mean, if you could go back in time, would you kill Hitler?
 
@Lalaland No.
 
juicy
 
how does litb's rib eye steak look like ^_^
 
8:10 PM
@Elyse Imagine if someone haven't killed batman's parents. That guy is the true hero.
Otherwise Gotham would be defenseless in the future
 
frankly, I have to say that Hitler could be one of the best things to happen to Europe, in the long run.
 
I see your point.
 
...
 
user406009
Ah consequentialism. We all love and hate it.
 
@Puppy yep, to Europe. But don't say it to Jews and some other nations.
 
8:12 PM
eh
I'm honestly not sure if they aren't better off, too.
 
@Puppy Yes they can be. You're right that there is only few that spout their extreme opinions one way or the other and so create a further divide. There is definitely a middle ground where people can live together, no matter what they may personally believe, without antagonizing others.
 
hmm, whoops.
it seems that my "build artifacts" are the entire working directory of the build script right now.
 
@ᐅJohannesSchaub-litbᐊ Way too much meat for a single meal.
 
@Puppy How so?
 
user406009
@Elyse The anti-abortion people are usually pretty self consistent if you accept their premise that any fetus is a person. I would recommend reading some of their arguments.
 
Ell
8:14 PM
@wilx religion isn't retarded I don't think
 
@EtiennedeMartel there;'s no such a thing
 
Ell
blind faith is retarded
 
@EtiennedeMartel there can't be enough
^_^
 
@ᐅJohannesSchaub-litbᐊ Its quite scary indeed.
 
user406009
@Ell Is all faith blind?
 
Ell
8:14 PM
@Lalaland yes, I mean it in the way you use the expression though really
 
@Borgleader it may be a fake news
 
@Puppy how many civilians were murdered? nobody can be "better off" with such huge toll
 
@Jefery Because he's more-or-less solely responsible for the European Union and the current political friendliness of European countries.
 
i can't see that news in television
 
contrast that with prior to WW2.
 
Ell
8:15 PM
ie faith when reason is strongly against your favour
 
prior to WW1 all the European countries were constantly fighting amongst themselves and being dicks to each other
but after WW1 they didn't learn their lesson about fighting industrialized wars.
 
@Puppy The Cold War probably helped to unite the West too.
 
I mean
consider what happened in the immediate aftermath of both world wars.
after WW1, we were like, "Lols gonna cripple ur economy!111"
 
@Puppy the way you phrased that, lol
 
after WW2 it was like "Yeah it was fuckin' terrible, let's all muck through it together and not have this shit again"
 
8:17 PM
and the UN was born
 
@Puppy wasn't it the nukes?
 
@Abyx That was Russia, who haven't learned any lessons in the last hundred years.
 
Do you guys think its possible to use machine learning to predict wins in sports
 
There's a pretty ridiculous amount of stats information out there for sports and players... and these days sports betting is getting kinda big
 
Ell
8:18 PM
@Prismatic meh not really
 
See where I'm going with this?
@Ell Why not?
 
@Puppy that was communism then.
 
so personally I have to say that I'd like to thank Hitler for proving beyond all doubt that people need to pull together instead of fighting all the time
 
Ell
Too many variables I think
you're betting on a team, not just a player
 
and how even genocide couldn't get rid of the people he hated.
 
Ell
8:18 PM
and a team is a combination of players
 
the number of variables is in fact not a problem
 
and I think that without Hitler, things would be much worse.
 
@Puppy it has nothing to do with Hitler. West would unite against communism anyways.
 
@Abyx Not sure.
 
@Ell The point is using many variables to find correlations to winning
 
8:19 PM
@Prismatic of course. If by that you mean at least 50% expected correct predictions
 
Ell
@Prismatic but there is not enough data I don't think
 
The only "good" thing Hitler did - it was hindering Stalin from attacking the Europe.
 
Ell
Idk though
 
Nah, he also killed Hitler.
 
@Abyx Not really obvious that they would have done.
 
8:20 PM
Well consider that when placing bets in the first place there are always odds determined in advance
 
@Morwenn or maybe West wouldn't make it in time.
 
So there's enough data for people to bank on the likelihood of certain teams winning
But those odds probably aren't determined using ML
 
@Puppy Why?
 
(maybe they are though, idunno)
 
@Puppy Communism was a real treat to capitalistic countries.
 
8:21 PM
And IIRC Hitler was against biological weapons, which is a good thing because they totally had them ready.
 
@Ell Most sports have tons of data. Player stats for their entire careers down to exact actions and where and when they take place on the sports field
 
@Morwenn huh? why? because they are dangerous to the environment?
 
@Abyx I doubt it. The Russians nearly lost to just Hitler.
 
ITT Good Guy Hitler
 
Ell
@Prismatic can I get this data?
 
8:22 PM
if they had faced Hitler and France, or Hitler and the UK, or hell, even just Hitler without the rest of Europe fighting him to distract him
 
@Abyx Not sure, but he didn't like them.
 
I doubt that Europe would have needed to pull together against Communism.
 
@Ell I don't think there's a way of farming it all at once, but go to any sports site; NHL, NBA, etc and look up player stats.
 
@ᐅJohannesSchaub-litbᐊ Found it on two other sites, this is one
 
the Russian military of that period was supremely ineffective and it's only after Hitler kicked the shit out of them for ages that they pulled it together.
 
8:23 PM
@Borgleader also on n-tv
 
People who play fantasy sports use this information too, so there may be APIs to get the data too
 
@Puppy nope. look at the size of Russia. Most of the factories were moved to Siberia, we couldn't loose.
 
@Abyx That depends on how many men, how much oil, and how much food you can grow there.
it takes more than just some factories to win a war.
 
@Puppy and we had enough. oil and men at least.
 
the oil was from one of Hitler's main targets and definitely not in Siberia.
 
user406009
8:26 PM
@Prismatic It's definitely possible to predict wins. The question is whether you can predict wins better than everyone else.
 
user406009
And it's quite difficult to beat the rest of the betting market.
 
@Lalaland Thus machine learning!
 
@Lalaland if you wanna beat something, might as well beat the meat :P
 
The Soviet Union was by far the country with highest number of deaths during WWII.
 
@Lalaland booo, crappy attitude
 
8:29 PM
muh my soup is too hot :/
 
user406009
 
man i18n is such a drag
why couldn't we all just speak one language
and have one keyboard layout
 
ikr
 
user406009
@Prismatic Well, we can. The question is at what cost?
 
user406009
8:31 PM
Are you willing to kill people who speak another language?
 
user406009
Forced education camps?
 
what
 
user406009
There is nothing preventing the human race from only speaking the human language.
 
@Morwenn It's 20-30 millions (~10mln military), out of 170 millions of total population.
 
user406009
Well, nothing except our morals and unwillingness to commit certain atrocities.
 
8:33 PM
@Abyx Yeah, almost 14% of the population.
 
@Prismatic yeah, the one I speak (not Chinese)
 
I'm happy with English
thanks.
 
Why would speaking a single language require "willingness to commit certain atrocities".
 
Nah, too many characters, keyboard input too difficult
 
user406009
@Jefery People like their different languages and cultures.
 
user406009
8:34 PM
The only way to achieve a single language is through force.
 
We should settle on the most efficient language
 
that would be Polish :P
 
In the future people will speak only 1 language and it will have nothing to do with killing cultures
Convenience is better than tradition.
 
polish has like a trillion little accent things everywhere tho
 
It just takes time to adapt.
 
user406009
8:35 PM
@Jefery Not to all people.
 
Yes to all people.
 
@Lalaland Not to all people today, but I think eventually mankind will get used to that
 
@TonyTheLion Yes, because people here never explain their opinions, they just state it as if they were truths.
 
I don't care if Portuguese go extinct. English is easier and more convenient.
 
8:36 PM
Not to mention the so edgy "No." replies
 
@VillasV ...for you
 
user406009
@Jefery I would challenge you with the real world examples of say, the Amish.
 
@Jefery ~~~Internet~~~~
 
user406009
Not to mention lots of categories of fundamentalist religion.
 
@milleniumbug I know that in general societies can be very protective against other cultures. But eventually these things fade out.
 
user406009
8:37 PM
And a single language isn't necessarily convenient for everyone.
 
user406009
Once you have a large enough amount of people, then it is fine to stay within that subset.
 
Native Indians from Brazil are starting to use cell phones and wearing sneakers.
 
that reminds me
I need to buy shoes
 
@Lalaland Why?
@TonyTheLion See?
 
I have an unopened box of a new pair of shoes, ones that I got sent double with a pair I ordered and I was told I could keep them
 
8:39 PM
@Jefery this is the status quo
 
@Jefery I know what you mean.
 
user406009
@Jefery Because there is a limit to amount of stuff you can consume.
 
@Lalaland So?
 
user406009
The benefits of one global language might not outweigh the costs.
 
What are the costs?
 
8:42 PM
@VillasV Tell that to the Sentinelese.
 
user406009
For instance, the US and the imperial system.
 
user406009
It would be cool to switch to metric.
 
they're O(1)
the benefits are O(n)
 
^
 
user406009
But the US is such a large country, that the benefit of switching to metric isn't as worthwhile.
 
user406009
8:43 PM
@Puppy You are ignoring the cost of interest.
 
wtf does size have to do with it
the benefits will scale with size just as the costs
 
user406009
No, the benefits scale with the need to talk to other people.
 
which is probably more than O(n)
 
user406009
So they actually scale sorta inversely with the size of the nation.
 
Which is more and more likely as time pass by
 
8:44 PM
@Ell Yes, you do not think. :D
 
Having several languages also has advantages. Everybody peaking two languages, incuding a common one, would be cool.
 
Size of the nation has nothing to do with it
 
@Morwenn Not aware of any.
 
user406009
@Jefery A larger nation has less need of imports.
 
Pixels is next.
Then I am out of stuff to watch.
 
8:45 PM
@Puppy Of course, you consider culture and the like to be moot.
 
@Lalaland Bullshit.
 
Please do not suggest watching the paint dry or grass to grow.
Neither is available to me here. :D
 
@Lalaland No. Pretty much all nations need imports independently from their "bigness"
 
Basically, the way the language is constructed has an influence on the way one thinks. Add that to culture and you obtain many more ways to consider problems.
 
@wilx Naaah, pitch drop experiment is more interesting
 
8:46 PM
While imperial units on the other hand add no value to anything.
 
Maybe not for survival, but for luxuries and general market sharing, everybody needs imports.
 
user406009
Well, this is where we are just going to have to agree to disagree. I don't have the hard numbers behind me, so I can't prove my point.
 
US is food self sustained for example.
Just like France
And they have two very different dimensions
 
@Prismatic How does this work?
 
Ven
@Morwenn now that's a huge PR
 
8:48 PM
Come on ppl how would you do without our wine and cheese?
 
@Ven A huge Puerto Rico?
 
Ven
@Morwenn poule requête!
 
@Rerito The liver would probably be thankful
Very thankful
 
@Ven A huge Pull Request?
 
@Ven Oh, you mean the projections one?
 
Ven
8:49 PM
@milleniumbug yes
@Morwenn ya
 
Funny. This time I did not get banned for a day. Or at least not yet.
 
@Ven Well yeah, it alters most of the library.
 
@wilx For what?
 
Ven
@Morwenn it crashed my chrome tab
 
I still have to update the documentation and complete the tutorial.
 
8:49 PM
@Jefery For saying religion is retarded. Last time I did, I did get suspended for a day.
 
Religion is not retarded
 
Retards are retarded
 
Ven
@milleniumbug that's beautiful - I cried!
 
@Jefery Talking about that, there's some chianti calling me in the mall I go to do my groceries
 
8:51 PM
Yes, just like yours is yours
 
Also, I think I am still a bit hung over.
Alcohol is bad.
But you should have seen me dancing!
Or maybe shouldn't...
 
hate to break it to you, but alcohol doesn't give you dancing superpowers
 
@milleniumbug You are lying!
 
nope
 
@milleniumbug /o\
 
8:53 PM
@milleniumbug it was already inside us, alcohol unleashes it
 
Ven
@milleniumbug I actually have a friend who dances very, very well when drunk (and I'm not). But he's utterly bad when he's sober...
 
Man...
I should start create some shots alcohol brand and call it The Unleasher!
 
@VillasV Now that I think about it, std::unique_ptr<T>::release() should have been called std::unique_ptr<T>::unleash() instead
 
@wilx I'd buy some of those
 
@milleniumbug I think I might have called it dangerouslyLoseOwnership or something.
maybe dangerouslyDoubleDelete
 
8:55 PM
@Puppy lose_ownership() is a good candidate
 
dangerously_corrupt_heap?
 
@Puppy no, that would be replacement name for .get()
 
Let me corrupt your heap, bby ( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡°)
2
 
@milleniumbug .get() is fine
 
Am I a bad boy for still not using smart pointers in 2015? :-(
 
8:59 PM
no, but only if you don't use raw owning pointers
 

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