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1:00 PM
So, I just woke up.
National holiday here.
 
Xeo
want
 
How crazy do I sound if I were to tell you that I want to do the 6 day overland track by myself Feb next year?
I mean I would like some company, but all the experienced hikers I know of have done this track & all the inexperienced people (mainly my friends) are not interested in doing it?
 
@Jefffrey yeah xD
6 day sounds almost reasonable
I never did long treks like that. too much work
 
@chmod711telkitty If they already did it, why wouldn't they do it again, with you this time? They'ld make you discover it... The experience could be good for them as well
 
65 km over 6 days?
sounds pretty tame
 
1:13 PM
@Rerito A lot of people don't like to do the same track twice, especially within the recent 3-5 years
@orlp I know, maybe there are a lot of up & downs
 
@chmod711telkitty I would say that I'd be happy to join, if it wasn't for the fact that you are telkitty :-/. Two travelers set out to conquer the road, only one made it back.
 
@chmod711telkitty Dunno, that sounds like the kind of experience I'ld happily share with a friend. If it's expensive though, that might influence my go or no go decision
 
One week of day off is always expensive :/
 
@FilipRoséen-refp do I know you?
 
I would join, but man, australia
 
1:16 PM
Anyone experienced with boost::spirit? (yes I'm thinking about one particular beary lounger :p )
 
@chmod711telkitty looks like he does
 
@chmod711telkitty recap; I don't like you, and you don't like me.
 
@chmod711telkitty what about me?
 
@Rerito lol
 
1:16 PM
@FilipRoséen-refp i wuv u
 
@edition are you interested?
 
@chmod711telkitty Well... It sounds dangerous.
 
@Rerito how beary humorous of you
 
@chmod711telkitty I hope you have a satellite phone at least.
 
@chmod711telkitty In a serious way, I would have to check how much it would cost for flight tickets and transport.
 
1:17 PM
@jaggedSpire I could do a one man show, couldn't I
 
> This is normally done from north to south, which is the mandatory direction between 1 October and 31 May.
 
@orlp wuv wuv wuv wuv wuv
 
it's ...forbidden to go the other way?
 
@chmod711telkitty looks interesting, but I don't really know you.
 
true
@Mr.kbok I assume the crosses are narrow at places
 
@chmod711telkitty crosses?
 
for example, a bridge
 
@Mr.kbok Croisement wesh
 
strange to imagine a bridge so narrow you can't cross someone on it.
 
1:20 PM
Narrow track seems more likely (as a bridge is "punctual" enough to synchronize crossing :)
 
yeah.
 
user1804599
Are Lua states cheap to create?
 
Ell
I would not trust a bridge like that
 
That was a bridge I had to cross on the six foot track
 
@Elyse Benchmark!
 
user1804599
1:25 PM
Also, can Lua bytecode be cached for reuse across Lua states? Or do I have to recompile the Lua code over and over again?
 
@Mr.kbok You can throw them off or, if desperate, back up.
 
guys
i have a question
 
@chmod711telkitty Nice landscape
 
what would happen if stackoverflow went down for a week
 
1:26 PM
you would fail your CS courses?
 
@user5277222 I would be so depressed because I would have lost my favorite slacking-at-work place
 
@user5277222 we would have a life and live one
 
user1804599
@user5277222 The world would be a better place.
 
user1804599
And all cargo-cult programmers would get fired.
 
the world would probably stop coding for a week
lmao
 
1:28 PM
I wouldn't stop coding because SO went offline.
 
@Rerito It's a classic track here.
 
the world would probably start coding productively for a week
 
yes, martin
well
so many people use SO as a resource
 
I had been coding way before Stackoverflow was born
 
1:28 PM
so many IT guys
chmod
you don't know the struggle of the new guys who have started coding after stack overflow
we depend on the site
the guys who manage the server, IT
it woudl be fucked
all of it
 
...then you deserve it
 
Also, where would we complain about our shitty production code if not here?
 
because it means you are not using it to learn
 
and using it as an excuse not to learn
which is bad
and you should feel bad
 
1:29 PM
not really. all IT is, is googling
it's a different skill set nowadays
 
user1804599
Oh cool, lua_dump.
 
no
I don't think you could be more wrong here.
 
@Rerito What would happen if our customers got on here? ~~shudder~~
 
paid to google stuff: $1. knowing what to google: $99
the difference is we know what to do
anyone can google shit
 
@user5277222 you are obviously not a very good hacker
 
1:31 PM
but not everyone can know to google the correct shit
 
what's your question?
 
i never said i was a hacker
lmao
i'm IT
 
If you can't solve problems by yourself then you're terrible hth
 
@user5277222 In that case, you Google incorrect shit and then post it on SO for the slaves to complete/test/debug for you.
 
There's a difference between a resource and just cargo culting everything
 
1:32 PM
it's called taking advantage of resources
and bitch, without us, IT, all servers would go down
 
If you can't write code without snack overflow then you're shit at programming
 
@MartinJames That would be dreadful
 
@user5277222 so this is why IT sucks so much these times!
 
Doubly so for ops
 
you guys owe us
 
1:33 PM
Our IT support is the definition of bullshit company.
 
@Rerito It is dreadful, also normal:(
 
well, your IT may be shit
 
We have to do everything by ourselves, in R&D, because IT is shit.
 
You really shouldn't rely on a transient resource as if they're a part of your own knowledge, because yeah, you get fucked if they go down.
 
@user5277222 Reading what you are writing, our IT might be more competent than you.
 
1:34 PM
Have the documentation, buy books, learn from them.
 
@user5277222 Unfortunately, you don't live on the internet & you don't eat bandwidth. Trust me, human kind was doing fine thousand years before internet was invented.
 
If you do ops by searching about every little thing then you're shit at ops and the servers would be better off without you
2
 
let me give you something real quick
Nikola Tesla visited Henry Ford at his factory, which was having some kind of difficulty. Ford asked Tesla if he could help identify the problem area. Tesla walked up to a wall of boilerplate and made a small X in chalk on one of the plates. Ford was thrilled, and told him to send an invoice.

The bill arrived, for $10,000. Ford asked for a breakdown. Tesla sent another invoice, indicating a $1 charge for marking the wall with an X, and $9,999 for knowing where to put it. Ford then paid the full thing.
 
Also 0/10 low effort
 
1:34 PM
time for work. Toodles
 
it's true though. the difference is, we know how to make the most of our resources because of our knowledge
why do things the hard way?
 
lel
You are supposed to know the most important things.
 
that's not the hard way, that's remembering your job
 
Hey.
 
If you are saying you could not do any work done if SO was down...
 
1:36 PM
Well then I wish snack overflow does go down and you lose your job~~
 
@user5277222 yeah obviously you are not able to charge someone $10,000 for 10 minutes of your time if the whole internet knows how to do it, are you? You will always be cheap because everything you know, the internet knows it.
 
Well, that suggests you don't know even the basics.
 
i know things, but i only really use my knowledge if first the resources are down. work smarter mates, not harder
 
I guess you also don't remember how to, say, list all open ports on a machine?
 
You're an idiot and also a low effort unfunny troll or whatever
 
1:36 PM
lmao
you so salty
 
inb4 user52somethingsomething checks on SO and calls that knowledge
 
@user5277222 Always relying on external resources instead of your own memory doesnt sound really smart to me
 
it's called knowing what to do with ersources
 
Someone kick them
It's boring
 
it's called being a moron
 
1:37 PM
@CatPlusPlus a very cheap troll @ $1
 
c++ programmers are so salty
lmao
 
because the IT sucks
 
@chmod711telkitty Does it take one to know one? :p
 
@user5277222 and you're bitter, so what
 
mate
want to know which company i work for
 
1:37 PM
@user5277222 I'm not your mate mate!
 
Nobody cares
 
There is a little thing called "plonk", y'all should use it more often.
 
@TonyTheLion And miss all the fun? Never!
 
@user5277222 I don't give a shit, but do tell us.
 
I work for some guys, the "Mario Brothers".
 
1:38 PM
inb4 our IT support
 
Guys, stop acknowledging.
 
@user5277222 We love you because you are so cheap, isn't that why all cheap work gets shipped to you kind of people? Also knows something no one else knows is what makes you pricey ... I mean common idiots are everywhere.
 
I don't get people's inclination to look like idiots
 
I'm getting tired of plonking these people
what kind of things attract them here
 
They think someone will be mad that they're shit at everything? idk
 
1:41 PM
come on, we have not had toys to play with for ages
 
Like if you brag about having "IT" as your job title then you're seriously brain damaged
12
 
No one says brain damaged are not allowed to be here. That would be discrimination
 
@CatPlusPlus You got it wrong, here IT means Internet Troll
 
There's no difference between a moron and someone purposefully pretending to be one
 
1:43 PM
@chmod711telkitty I guess if Leor Zolman showed up we wouldn't boot him...
 
so tempting ...
 
> Legacy C++
:D
I'm glad this is a thing
 
@JerryCoffin he's at cppcon ~_~ (as indicated by youtube)
 
@chmod711telkitty Maybe he was, but I'm pretty sure cppcon is over now.
 
All C++ is legacy
 
1:47 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Did you get into the SG? It'd be really nice if I could join the UB SG, but I dunno if Gaby would take me
 
@JerryCoffin he might be at it, again, next year
 
user1804599
Lol, in NL you're not allowed to run a harddrug shop within 250 metres of a school. Now existing shops are suing new schools for being too close by.
 
Ell
Lol that's fair enough
 
Oct 1 at 7:55, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Also, I feel like such an idiot. Herb says he never heard of this Unicode SG.
 
what do harddrug shops sell?
 
1:50 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I was gonna say! I didn't see one on the list, was kinda confused
 
@Mr.kbok how would you normally get a struct from a pinvoke declared function in C#?
I tried marshaling an IntPtr, but it complains and produces an SEH error.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wth... did someone troll us into thinking it existed?
 
@edition you can't return a struct like you do an int with stdcall. think of sizeof. structs are usually passed as output params or local references. check your abi
 
I'm just having an urge to crush something for no reason
 
@Mr.kbok ah thanks, sorry for targeting you with my question.
 
1:56 PM
not sure why me, but you're welcome, I don't mind
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Propose it :v
 
I'm writing an API for a XML parser DLL.
 
If there's one for filesystem stuff then Unicode definitely deserves one too
 
both sides of which I am still in the process of writing.
 
Ich bin ein ITer.
 
1:58 PM
@edition Are you writing your own XML parser?
 
why don't you do something useful instead :D
 
@Rerito no, I am writing an C# API for interfaces exposed in a C++ DLL for the rapidxml classes.
 
I have a great suggestion
 
Just asking as at my work, we have to deal with a shitty homemade xml parser...
Would drive anyone insane :)
 
.net has the bestest xml parsers why are you wrapping a crappy c++ library?
 
2:00 PM
@CatPlusPlus There needs to be more people showing interest to form a Study Group.
 
@Rerito I trashed ours lately, and replaced it with pugixml. no looking back.
 
oh, .net does have XML parsing.
 
I already showed my interest by looking like an idiot.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well they should have channels to do an interest check
 
its just something to do for enjoyment, seeing as I am unemployed (yes, sorry for bringing it up again).
 
2:00 PM
@Rerito thought every company from the dinosaur age has one of those - just like the customized string classes
 
@Mr.kbok We haven't the "go" signal to do it here. Actually we're even instructed not to touch it for now...
 
@edition .NET has much, much superior XML parsing capabilities than C++. (An issue I'm trying to solve!)
@Rerito I don't wait for go signals :D
 
Ask em to post something on isocpp
 
@chmod711telkitty Yeah but I mean, com'on, it's 2015!
 
Bah, I misclicked and ordered pizza mexicana instead of panacetta.
 
2:01 PM
@wilx racist
 
@Mr.kbok I work on the DN parser for now as a rogue project
 
@orlp I mislicked! ;_;
 
I'm taking advantage of the fact that both my manager, his manager, and my manager's manager's manager are on holiday to butcher the logging code
@Rerito DN?
 
Distinguished Names (LDAP, X.500...)
 
@Mr.kbok Will there be schnitzels after you are done butchering it?
 
2:03 PM
Distinguished Names? Like Mr. kbok or Sr. Rerito or Lady telkitty?
 
@chmod711telkitty: BTW, this "avatar" looks much better.
 
@wilx only knacki balls
 
@Mr.kbok Yeah like "O=Shitstorm Inc., OU=IT, CN=user52somethingsomething"
 
2:05 PM
@Mr.kbok So you are basically making a mush instead well layered beef! :)
 
@edition Why don't you make an automatic subtitle downloader :D subliminal does it but it's a PITA to package because python. A .NET rewrite wouldn't be too hard.
 
@Mr.kbok You can package Python stuff pretty well with its distutils or such. Were were packaging Gtk+ Python application using that and Inno setup.
 
@chmod711telkitty That doesn't excuse shitty maintenance policies... I mean there are a lot of items that would ease our jobs here and increase productivity. But management is stuck on short-terms policies
 
@Rerito oh, like LPTA stuff
 
A what
 
2:07 PM
@wilx I spent 4 whole evenings doing it and even then I had to call the python code via subprocess pipes and the package is 60Mb
 
@Mr.kbok So, just an example, here; "O = Lounge , CN = Mr.kbok" and "O=Lounge, CN = Mr.kbok" wouldn't be considered equal
coz instead of parsing... We compare the strings!..
 
ouch
 
@Mr.kbok OK, but once you are done it is easily repeatable, is it not? :)
 
Welcome to LDAP, where everything is broken and nothing works exactly like you'd expect.
 
DNs are used in certificates too
 
2:09 PM
@Griwes The latter just sounds like C++
 
@Rerito It seems to me there should already be a thing to do this.
 
Also LDAP is not that bad, if severely underdocumented
5
 
@CatPlusPlus And that's exactly where the ones we use come from :)
 
@wilx piping is really, really not robust and 60 megs for a fucking sub downloader is inacceptable
 
@CatPlusPlus Stared because @CatPlusPlus said something is not bad.
 
2:09 PM
@wilx Indeed, but I thought it would be a good exercise to learn about boost::spirit
 
Who cares if it takes 60MB
 
@Rerito it's a lot of fun
 
@CatPlusPlus Dunno, but the grammar of the DN is clearly well stated
 
hey look, half of the starboard is Cat
 
@CatPlusPlus okay but piping in .net
 
2:10 PM
Also cx_Freeze, PyRun/Static Python etc
@Mr.kbok What about it
 
it sucks donkey balls you have to parse shit
 
Entire Unix userspace is built on piping
 
the process class is severely broken so if you want anything remotely reliable you have to write it over with native apis
 
Pipe JSON objects and you have parsing solved for you
 
you have dumb python libs writing to stdout for no reason
 
2:13 PM
You probably didn't configure logging
 
it doesn't matter. it's broken because none of the components have ever been designed to be used that way
 
variable in command line(cmd) suck, to complex when trying to move files and stuff.
 
@TonyTheLion <3 <3 <3
 
@CatPlusPlus .net is not "entire unix userspace" my shower is built on piping that doesn't mean it's good for anything else
 
2:16 PM
There's nothing unreliable about piping
 
there is with stock .net classes
they're notably broken
also there is, you're relying on process-global state
 
omg process-global state
How are they broken?
 
unix userspace is disciplined enough to not write drivel to stdout more often than not and that's the only reason piping more or less works
 
That's... not a problem with piping
 
also unix userspace is not really exemplary in terms of robustness
yes it is. if you observe stdout your system sucks most of the time
 
2:19 PM
What
 
but thank you for your contribution I guess
 
does (ios::cur) start from where the last data input was placed in the file?
 
or am I just wrong
 
your question is not intelligible
what does placing data inputs somewhere mean?
cur doesn't start anything, it's just a value for the second parameter of seekg
 
2:25 PM
maybe fseek?
 
@CMS_95 cpp reference states "the current position of stream position indicator"
Might be an XY problem; why do you want to know?
 
@Borgleader lol x3 is starting to grow on me a little bit. I posted this (after getting the accepted answer with my simpler answer :))
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A: Repeat capture group ignoring whitespaces

seheI strongly suspect you want something capable of parsing a grammar; Here's with Boost Spirit X3: Live On Coliru #include <boost/spirit/home/x3.hpp> #include <boost/tuple/tuple_io.hpp> #include <boost/fusion/adapted/boost_tuple.hpp> #include <iostream> namespace std { // hack for debug outp...

 
so if I have the program that enters some text into a file would the (ios::cur) start from the end of last entered text and add on to it from that point recursively?
 
@Borgleader <3 <3 <3
 
recursively????
 
2:29 PM
Love overflow.
 
(ie: it continues to goto the end of the text)
 
do you kiss your mother with that mouth
 
sorry to waste your time... cya
 
@CMS_95 you really, really need to work on getting yourself understood. that involves knowing the actual words that people use
 
@sehe What is boost::spirit::x3?
 
2:30 PM
@Rerito Boost Spirit X3's namespace
 
@CMS_95 so you want to add onto the end of a file? (i.e. append)
 
thanks, captain phabet
 
@AnalPhabet Yeah I figured that out, and by the way it's used, it's a charset namespace but... What about it?
 
@Rerito Google it
 
@AnalPhabet Thank you Sherlock
 
2:32 PM
I'm ~~~helpful~~~
 
@Rerito It’s where the Spirit X3 things live.
 
@sehe I do find it more enjoyable to use than the previous version :)
 
@Rerito spirit v3 (current version is 2)
 
@Mr.kbok That's what I found out as well, but in the docs I read, the ns having a space member usually refered to charset related stuff (like ascii::space)
 
no idea why.
bearish question imo :D
 
Xeo
2:35 PM
There are times where I write code for 3h without compiling, and everything is okay.
And then there are times where I write 10 lines and all hell breaks loose.
8
stupid typos
 
Ell
user image
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This is the funniest think I've seen on reddit ever
 
what?
 
@Xeo Same. Had a bug the other day that came after typing a couple of lines, spent almost an hour pair programming trying to work out what was going on, crashes in some random unrelated code, turns out I missed an underscore and accidentally initialised a variable with itself. #UB
Other times, implemented a whole feature, everything fine first time.
cuz logix
 
shit, aggregation is fucking slow. the cluster is powerful enough to finish calculating in a matter of seconds but the director takes ages to aggregate
 
@OMGtechy tests bro
 
2:40 PM
@Ell I fail to understand how is that funny.
 
Xeo
@wilx Presumably you have never heard of "netflix and chill"?
 
@Xeo Nope.
 
Xeo
Well then, there you go
 
@Xeo Internet memes & chill
 
@AlexM. #notenoughofthem
t'was a hack day
18 hours ago, by Cat Plus Plus
Programming when timed is not programming, it's just vomiting shit into a text file
^ that pretty much sums it up
 
Ell
2:42 PM
Yup
 
@sehe Nice x3 solution :)
 
That said, it worked aha
 
@OMGtechy so why did you call it programming
 
@sehe char_("0-9.") -- Does this work as a regex characters set? I am talking about the 0-9 bit.
 
@wilx Yes it does
 
2:43 PM
I could really use a holiday right about now ugh
 
@Rerito Hmm, I would not expect that.
 
@AlexM. ok, correction, "spend a couple of hours pair vomiting"
 
@wilx See this
 
@Rerito I see. I missed that.
Today is yet another free day I will have left my place only to pick up delivery at the building's door.
New badge: Hikikomori Initiate.
Hmm, I am not that bad, still.
 
I'm so wasted
The caffeine wore out
 
2:48 PM
@wilx so hardcore
 
@Rerito Get some sleep.
Well, I was up until like 5 AM watching The Blacklist's first 7 eps.
 
I'm just really down when I don't exercise
 
Down to duck?
 
Oh, @AndyProwl I'm getting my Note Edge tomorrow :D
 
user1804599
 
2:53 PM
@Griwes So you'll have an Edge on everyone else :P
 
@TonyTheLion lame ;p
 
Never miss a lame pun opportunity
 

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