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2:00 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ah no, I've known about it quite some time lol
 
Morning.
 
user1804599
This drone has a feature called "barrel roll."
 
I'm watching a video by phpacademy on Youtube.
This is going to be awesome.
 
Morning
 
Xeo
Our new trainee is following the Unreal Engine tutorial ... The URL even says "latest" - and the first page already doesn't compile, because something changed in the engine.
 
2:11 PM
sounds great - parsererror - retry / cancel
WTF?
 
cancel and never retry
 
Urgh I have ownership inheritance between various M2M models
 
Abyxx,
nobody cares about you.
IGNORED
 
And semantics change if there are no owners, so I also have to check that
 
2:14 PM
@CatPlusPlus that's not very helpful at all...
 
@Chantola you know, there is a chat feature for it
 
And it has to apply to any future thing
And fuck me I can't come up with a generic solution because everything's terrible and I'm too
 
Agreed.
 
has the flagger tried the Super Flag yet? it works really well.
yes, it seems they have
@Chantola if that is you, flags are not for your personal vendetta's
kthanksbye
 
You should make that magic script more user friendly
 
2:16 PM
they fixed it :/
 
only stars are visible now
 
Still dumb
 
Why haven't you guys plonked Chantola already?
 
2:17 PM
But whoah
 
@Sofffia Because there's nothing wrong with Chantola.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit the monitor to see why flagged what
 
I'm not ignoring anyone because how else would I know when to kick someone??
 
@rlemon gutted
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yeah he (it?) is almost the same as you but maybe younger
 
user1804599
I wonder how difficult it is to install MediaWiki programmatically.
 
Ell
how do I make it work?
oh pgup/down
 
> Parse int or double using boost spirit (longest_d)
hehehehehe @sehe
 
user1804599
@Sofffia I knew all of those except sprites and varargs.
 
user1804599
The title is bad and the author should feel bad.
 
2:28 PM
@sehehehehe (just trying)
 
Xeo
@Cicada Aww, back to your old name?
 
I wish SASS had namespaces and blocks
 
@Xeo Yes, seems only few of the regulars actually managed to follow my identity through the nick changes :) So I decided to go back to this one. for the moment
 
user1804599
Also it's Sass not SASS.
 
user1804599
JAVA
 
2:33 PM
@rightfold SASS is an acronym. Just like every other acronym, it's expressed with upper case letters. Java on the other hand is not an acronym. You can find more information about acronyms here.
 
@rightfold ☑ REKT
 
@rlemon I swear, I didn't flag nothin.
 
No.
 
user1804599
 
No?
No!
Yes.
 
2:35 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yay!!!
 
SASS author is probably illiterate.
 
user1804599
Yeah, they spell "GitHub" as "Github."
 
Dickhub
 
user1804599
The language is nonetheless called "Sass."
 
Ass
 
2:36 PM
Sassy...
 
user1804599
ClitHub.
 
Dickbucket
 
Clit++
 
JPEGHub
 
SourceFag
 
2:36 PM
No
No?
No!
 
Nohub
 
Yes.
 
The quality of this room is quickly dropping.
 
Yes?
 
CuntPlex
 
2:37 PM
Yes!
 
@CatPlusPlus Can you ban Nooble, please.
 
@Rapptz Progress on the concepts front. I realise it’s quite dense.
 
Wth?
 
Ell
DickButte
 
2:37 PM
What did I do
 
Sorry, I meant Nooble.
 
Who's that?
 
you...
 
Who.
 
Let DA banhammer speak!
 
2:38 PM
Oh and there’s a type<typename Unqualified<X>::foo_type> sneaking in there because I was testing stuff.
 
And this is why ^
 
Oh for fuck's sake I already told you idiots two times to stop this
 
Yes sir.
 
I don't remember if it's better to expire cache with set(None, 0) or delete() my brain is dead
 
delete() is probably an alias for set(None, 0)
 
2:41 PM
Huh?
 
@Cicada That's a good answer, no? :)
 
No, memcached has a separate delete call
Oh fuck it
 
> longest_d
But yes, it's a good answer (upvoted)
 
I noes
 
@Cicada Stop corrupting innocent minds.
 
2:43 PM
Do you ever contact me for anything else but my long d?
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes I hardly do that these days. ;~;
 
@LucDanton Says "Luc Danton" ;)
 
Well played.
 
@sehe the children in this room are SCREAMING
 
is there any standard library function that returns an std::tuple?
 
2:45 PM
make_tuple !
 
(apart from make_tuple and forward_as_tuple)
too late
 
win
 
std::tie.
 
@AndyProwl This appears to be off-topic because: Questions asking us to recommend or find a book, tool, software library, tutorial or other off-site resource are off-topic for Stack Overflow as they tend to attract opinionated answers and spam. Instead, describe the problem and what has been done so far to solve it.
 
and that too yes
 
2:45 PM
@Chantola Thanks for identifying yourself as child. We wouldn't have otherwise been able to obtain this information
 
lol J/K
 
tia
 
std::tuple_cat.
 
@sehe I didn't say I was a child... I said the children
 
user3010322
Wow.
 
user3010322
2:46 PM
clang is really so braindead
 
user3010322
that it will error on that?
 
ok... anything which is not specifically meant for tuple manipulation?
 
user3010322
Good one, clang.
 
for instance certain algorithms return an std::pair
 
@ThePhD Yes.
 
2:47 PM
 
Some associative/unordered container operations as well.
 
Oh god no.
 
yes
equal_range and stuff
 
Ubuntu began with the "Best X so far" thingy
 
Xeo
@AndyProwl Or just insert
 
2:47 PM
but I think there's nothing which returns a tuple. Just wanted to make sure
 
user3010322
 
user3010322
I mean, that's just backwards silly.
 
@Sofffia Which one is it now?
 
user3010322
So I need a template specialization for clang to shut it up because I'm using unsigned?
 
user3010322
And the fix is to make it signed ?
 
2:48 PM
@Xeo right
 
user3010322
It can't just, you know, have regular old dead code elimination?
 
lol, you size_t people.
 
@ThePhD ThePhD dead code elimination: rm -rf *.cpp
 
What do you pro C++ people work with?
What programs do you make?
 
@Chantola Everyone here uses butte.
 
2:49 PM
I'll just enjoy your size_t-induced pain from a distance.
 
@Chantola so. what was your excuse for screaming?
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's a silly error and you know it. :l
 
ptrdiff_t is where it's at
 
user3010322
._.
 
@ThePhD I don't even know what the error is.
 
2:50 PM
@sehe -
 
I'm enjoying it nonetheless.
 
I hate M2M
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes github.com/Rapptz/sol/pull/53
 
user3010322
Dis nonsense. :c
 
@CatPlusPlus Machine to machine or...
 
user3010322
2:51 PM
@Chantola We don't make programs. We inherit the nightmares of a past generation.
 
Many-to-many relations
Every fuckin model occupies like 10 tables
Shoulda went with nosql
Because jesus this is so bad and uncomfortable to work with
 
#occupy10tables
 
Check your GRANT
 
@ThePhD I don't think it is.
 
lol
 
2:53 PM
@ThePhD like?
 
Like everything
Of course m2m_changed signal doesn't carry field name
WHY WOULD IT
 
Ell
I always spill spaghetti on the phone
7
 
Good job
 
Ell
"my dad isn't in but my mum isn't, you can spork to him lorter"
 
user3010322
You know what puush needs?
 
2:56 PM
wat
 
more us ? puuuuuush
 
@Ell wat
 
user3010322
@Cicada Close, but not quite.
 
Ell
@Sofffia I can't talk on the phone :P
 
user3010322
I was thinking more of the ability to take a screenshot without a mouse of a specific area.
 
2:56 PM
> my dad isn't in but my mum isn't
 
user3010322
Like be able to use the arrow keys to cover an area.
 
user1804599
@Ell I once dropped my iPod touch in a bowl of nooddles.
 
#understandingenglish
:P
 
#fuzzylogic
 
Ell
@Sofffia exactly :L
 
2:57 PM
@Sofffia Could be the answer to "Is your mother home alone?"
 
ShareX is the best screenshotting tool
 
user1804599
scrot fits my needs.
 
@rightfold Scrot? Um....
 
HAHA CLEVER I GET IT
 
user1804599
2:59 PM
@EtiennedeMartel There is also github.com/Roger/escrotum
 
@EtiennedeMartel HUMOUR
 
C'EST DE L'HUMOUR HUHUHUHU
 
#RIRES
 
#mdrparcequ'onestvraimentcavesàl'estdel'Atlantique
 
user3010322
y is it always upside-down...
 
3:02 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Caves ?
 
@Cicada Ici, "cave" peut-être utilisé comme "con".
Mais ça sonne plus hargneux.
 
Haaaa, je vois ! Intéressant
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol business firewall?
 
Ell
man. I've had like 4 calls of people wanting to do surveys
it's so annyoing
 
user1804599
Vous êtes tous des idiots.
 
user1804599
3:04 PM
@Ell throw exceptions at them.
 
@Ell annyoinghaseyo?
 
@EtiennedeMartel That "de" always makes me itch.
Even though it just sounds wrong without it.
 
Ell
#bof
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The meaning is different (yes I know you know it)
 
Mais parbleu ! Pourquoi est-ce q'on parle le Français ici ?
C'est vraiment inacceptable !
 
3:06 PM
Spaces before compound punctuation in French, peasant.
inb4 "that's horrible!"
I don't care, that's the rule
 
HAHAHA M2M_CHANGED DOESNT EVEN FIRE IN THIS CASE
 
@Cicada Hey, that's textbook french for you :-p
 
@Cicada C'est vraiment horrible!
In linguistics, the partitive is a word, phrase, or case that indicates partialness. Nominal partitives are syntactic constructions, such as "some of the children", and may be classified semantically as either set partitives or entity partitives based on the quantifier and the type of embedded noun used. Partitives should not be confused with quantitatives (also known as pseudopartitives), which often look similar in form, but behave differently syntactically and have a distinct meaning. In many Romance and Germanic languages, nominal partitives usually take the form: [DP Det. + of + [DP Det....
Found the fuckers.
 
I love partitive :v
 
Now I know a name for it. Not gonna itch anymore.
 
3:08 PM
lol
Oh, and hey @Cicada, long time no see-as-in-get-you're-not-a-korean-kid-see
(yes I know you've been here for some time before today)
 
That sentence makes 0 (zero) sense
I'll have to write signal handlers for eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeveryyyyyyyyyyyyyy fuuuuuuuuuuuuucking M2M model
 
@CatPlusPlus write a catchall one.
 
Still needs to be plugged in separately for everything
 
@LucDanton Neat. Why do you use of? Also I don't really like how you have two templates :/
 
Or have a giant type checking if
 
3:14 PM
I'm assuming you've already tried logarithms?
 
@Rapptz For the pun. But now that I’m allowing shorthand (e.g. -> expr<decltype( foo )>; instead of -> requires<expr<decltype( foo )>>; it doesn’t make sense. It’s up for bikeshedding.
 
@rubenvb I've never been a korean kid though? o_o
 
what pun? :(
 
user1804599
dat pun
 
Oh wait I see it
 
3:15 PM
@Cicada oh the long english name was you though right?
 
"Comparable of X and Y requires"
 
user1804599
Bof (parotitis epidemica, ook wel dikoor genoemd) is een meestal onschuldige virale kinderziekte die wordt veroorzaakt door een paramyxovirus. == Kenmerken == De ziekte wordt overgedragen via de lucht of speeksel en heeft een incubatietijd van 14 tot 21 dagen. Klinisch is de parotitis met de zwelling van de grote speekselklier het meest in het oog springend. De wang kan hierdoor flink dik worden. Het is pijnlijk om te eten en om te slikken. Tijdens de kindertijd is de infectie vaak subklinisch (30% van de kinderen heeft geen enkel symptoom) of is er slechts sprake van een bovensteluchtweginfectie...
 
.seen long english name
 
@rubenvb I was a korean professional, not a kid. And also yeah a finance guy with a long english name
I don't remember half of my nicks anyway
 
@Rapptz Keep in mind that you can use the short form still, at the costs of diagnostic quality. It’s not so much that there are two templates as there are two (almost) concepts—even though a concept for (x == y) is way too specific and so I fold it into the scope of Equatable. Should I decide to unfactor this, it’s a matter of moving the code around. That’s a huge boon I think.
 
3:16 PM
@Cicada lol well the little avatar always looked like a korean kid from here. In my mind you were a korean kid.
 
@LucDanton The two templates I meant were Left, Right + X and Y.
 
SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
Num  Test_Description    Status                  Remaining  LifeTime(hours)  LBA_of_first_error
# 1  Extended offline    Completed: read failure       90%      3560         1653873016
Should I be getting a new HDD?
 
I need a break and food, time to go home
 
@rubenvb yeah
grr, when you're trying to write up requirements, and you can't come up with anything other than a confusing wall of text :/
i'm all in a pickle today
 
@Rapptz That makes sense. It’s really weird, it plays a role somewhat akin to placeholders and so on. It’s only purpose is for nicer signatures, i.e. Constraints<Foo<A, B, C>> instead of something like Constraints<bind<Foo, A, B, C>> or similar.
 
3:19 PM
Yes, 2.6 megabytes. Going through it now to ensure any identifying information is obscured. — Yimin Rong 3 mins ago
 
I like chicken
 
inb4 crippled log files dumped
 
do you?
 
man am I tired
 
@sehe inb4 ███████████
 
3:21 PM
that would be awesome. We need a Unicode Combining Character for this!
 
COMBINING SPOILER MASK?
 
@ScottW New plan for next april 1st: ask a question where all the relevant parts are censored
 
@LucDanton I wonder if there's a sane way to expression SFINAE based on Left and Right instead of relying on X and Y.
 
Ell
@rubenvb possibly :p
 
@Rapptz Partial spec with default parameter is one way. E.g. Equatable<X, Y, Requires<expr<decltype( clval<X>() == clval<Y>() )>, …>>.
 
3:25 PM
that kind of ruins the whole ease of defining bit
:/
 
That doesn’t allow for nice diagnostic for nested requirements btw.
(That reminds me: I’m not touching refinements and using ‘nested requirements’ because Concept-Lite has that.)
 
no refinements?
 
Righto.
 
what do you mean by refinements?
cause when I say refinements I mean things like
 
I have no idea. You were the one that brought them up.
 
3:27 PM
Comparable requires (i.e. 'refines') EqualityComparable and LessThanComparable
 
Xeo
time to go home, yay
 
yes that's refinement
 
I kind of find it odd not to support that since a lot of my concepts need refinements
 
Concept-Lite is all about specifying a bunch of bool-like atoms (‘requirements’) and that’s what I’m sticking with. You can mechanically translate what I have to it, too.
The only way the concept keyword is used is for things like concept bool Equatable =… or concept bool Equatable() { return …; }. No place to stick refinements I think.
(This is why it’s Concept-Lite and not Concepts for C++. It’s an assembly.)
 
refinement in Concept-Lite is expressed by &&
generalization by ||
 
3:33 PM
No
 
yes
 
template<typename T>
concept bool Input_range() {
    return requires(T range) {
        typename Iterator_type<T>;
        requires Input_iterator<Iterator_type<T>>();
    };
}
 
see the cppcon presentation, part II, slide 81
 
expr.req.nested of the Concepts Lite paper
 
Exactly.
 
3:35 PM
operator&& and operator|| aren't 'refinements', those are just more requirements
 
Yup.
 
> Concept refinement strengthens a concept by adding constraints using logical conjunction
(Sutton)
he can't concepts?
 
the Concepts Lite paper doesn't use the term 'refinement(s)' anywhere
So I don't know
 
well, "refinement" is adding constraints through logical conjunction
 
The expr.req.nested was the closest to what I meant to express by refinement.
 
3:36 PM
the nested requires does that too
just in a different way
 
I know the old Concepts Lite used operator&& because it was pretty meh
 
Technically speaking I think you can still do return booly && requires(…) { … }; no?
 
template<typename T>
concept bool Bidirectional_iterator =
    Input_iterator<T> && Decrementable<T>;
 
yeah that ^
 
3:40 PM
I know, that's how I should have asked it. Am new to this so just bare with my armature knowledge on this topic. — Caleb Nasio 1 hour ago
 
google translate?
 
Nah, phonetic transcription.
s/bare/bear/ s/armature/amateur/
 
I guessed that for "bare", but "armature"...
 
@Rapptz You can overload &&?
Yes, I forgot about that.
 
it's not an overload
concepts are glorified bools
 
3:47 PM
uint16_t nx(static_cast<uint16_t>(mock_smiley.rows())); :<
Fuck you VS.
 
que
 
uint16_t nx(mock_smiley.rows()); was not enough.
 
"armature" is awesome
what really
 
uint16_t nx = mock_smiley.rows(); // bad too?
 
Gotta convince my boss to ignore these warnings in the build.
 
3:48 PM
what does mock_smiley.rows() return?
 
@AndyProwl An int.
 
never ignore warnings
 
oh
 
but then the warning makes sense, doesn't it?
 
put a comment above the verbose line apologising on behalf of VS for the shitness
and move on
 
3:49 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit These are bogus, just like a large chunk of the ones provided by VS.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's a narrowing conversion
 
Narrowing conversions are errors.
 
only if you use { }
 
only with list-init
 
3:50 PM
what happened to you being the C++ guru????
 
@Rapptz They're not narrowing conversions otherwise.
 
er narrowing conversions existed long before C++11
shirley
 
main.cpp:3:24: warning: implicit conversion loses integer precision: 'int' to 'unsigned short' [-Wconversion]
    unsigned short y = x;
                   ~   ^
 
I'm actually OK with those warnings. A static_cast tells me there's a potentially problematic conversion going on there
 
clang has the warning too :p
 
3:52 PM
VS warns even with constants.
 
lol okay I'll give you that one
 
Ell
I opened a core dump in vim because I thought it'd contain a stacktrace
 
@Rapptz That's implicit, so it's fair. Warning on uint16_t nx(mock_smiley.rows()); is completely bogus, though.
 
Ell
but it's just memory isn't it?
 
3:54 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's 100% as implicit
 
I don't see how that one isn't implicit
 
it is in fact entirely equivalent, as you know
 
Er.
Of course it's equivalent. It's what I want.
 
so if it's equivalent, why do you expect behaviour A for one and behaviour B for the other?
 
Clang seems to agree with you though
 
3:55 PM
Anything I'd use to go around the warning has to be equivalent.
 
using y(x) turns off the warning
oh wait no
I scrolled down
 
it's still there
 
But T x(y); is how to use explicit conversion operators.
I don't see why I should do anything else.
 
3:56 PM
I thought that was only T(y)
 
T x(y); compiles when T x = y; doesn't.
Except with the fucking fundamental types. (Well, it does, but I have warnings as errors)
 
I get what you're saying I guess
 
I find that inconsistent with logic
I would prefer to need the static_cast in both cases, rather than in one or neither
I guess you'd prefer to need it in neither?
 
T x(static_cast<T>(y)); is just ridiculous.
 
nah, documents intent etc
 
3:58 PM
What intent?
Making a T?
 
the intent to perform a narrowing conversion
 
Impressive.
 
no, making a T from a not-T with greater precision
 
I think Robot is talking about the general case
 
in the case where it's not a narrowing conversion I have no problem with it
well, do I?
hmm
 
3:59 PM
@LucDanton Yes! It would be nice to teach entry level techies how to obscure their sensitive information using this technique
 

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