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user3010322
1:00 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Tango?
 
@ThePhD Tango.
 
should I be worried that I still don't fully understand what turing completeness means?
 
@overexchange That looks suspiciously like a C question to me buddy
 
user3010322
UK Softdrink?
 
i could not answer the existing comments there
 
1:00 PM
@AlexM. Completely.
 
@AlexM. No, that only means you're not Turing complete.
 
ya it is
but i dont any nearby chat room for this
 
@AlexM. it's "you can do pretty much anything another turing complete thing does"
 
so i posted here
 
@ThePhD didn't even realise it was so localised but, yes
Tango is a soft drink primarily sold in the United Kingdom, Ireland, Sweden, Norway and Hungary, first launched by Corona in 1950. Corona were bought by the Beecham Group in 1958, and Corona Soft Drinks were bought by Britvic in 1987. In Scandinavia the drink is distributed by SMX Drinks AB. Originally, Tango was the name of the orange flavour in a range of different flavoured drinks that each had their own name. In the 1990s, long after the other products in the range had been discontinued, the Tango brand was expanded into other flavours, including apple, lemon, cherry, blackcurrant,...
YOU KNOW WHEN YOU'VE BEEN TANGO'D
 
1:01 PM
relevant*
 
May 25 at 9:48, by sbi
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@overexchange I could, but I'm not going to, instead I'm going to downvote you.
 
it's basically fanta orange
 
the base class of the recursion is "C++ is turing complete"
 
np go ahead
 
1:01 PM
@overexchange so?
 
user3010322
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well, I know Fanta. :D
 
am not scared of downvoting, my need is to get things understand as per my query
 
user3010322
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I also remember Tang (no O) powdermix for drinks.
 
@ThePhD not me you want to ping, buddy
 
@overexchange go read a textbook
 
1:03 PM
Wow, I've never hit the daily rep limit :-(
 
user3010322
Me neither!
 
user3010322
We can be poor together. :D
 
@Abyx i had been thru text book
LPI
 
@overexchange and?
you don't get it?
 
i understand that return value has to be from non-stack area
 
user1804599
1:05 PM
I am completely zen.
 
but am not sure if '(void *)strlen(s) ' is from non-stack area
i need to understand that
 
@overexchange the fuck is stack area? c++ has no stack area
 
@Abyx It's C btw.
(which doesn't have "stack area" either)
 
meh C
go away we don't want C programmers here. you write horrible code
 
@overexchange That's like the most boring question I have seen this year.
 
1:07 PM
@Abyx C++ programmers write horrible code too
 
Everything you ask is pretty much either implementation defined or decided by the compiler the way he prefers.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit irrelevant.
 
@Abyx abyxmal response
 
low level savage
 
page 618 from book LPI shows stack area for each thread
 
1:08 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit race off
 
@Jefffrey is that recursion some sort of key to what turing completeness is?
I mean I can read about it and I do get things
 
but I don't see how turing completeness can apply to both programming languages and TCGs
 
7 mins ago, by Jefffrey
the base class of the recursion is "C++ is turing complete"
I meant "base case" there
 
a card deck cannot be Turing-Complete.
the rules governing how those decks are played can be, I guess.
the deck itself cannot be TC.
 
1:09 PM
yeah, fixed it
 
only things that can compute can be TC.
 
IIRC it has something to do with tape cells that can be traversed, written and read.
 
ah, that's mostly Turing's own description of an abstract machine
 
so a turing machine is a sequence of things with a set of rules that work on each thing in the sequence
 
I've lost you at the first "things"
 
1:11 PM
and the most important thing is that you can go from any thing to any other thing according to those rules (?)
 
@AlexM. Think of Turing machines as the world's most primitive VM.
 
there's no indexing in a TM as far as I know
just, move x times right or x times left from the current cell
and the result of the computation has to be on the tape as well, of course
 
omg my code worked! omg omg omg, only 3 days ... or was it a week :x although there were a lot of issues
 
a turing machine is just a really, really simple virtual machine.
 
yeah I think I should probably search for some papers on turing completeness when I finish work and read more
the VM analogy doesn't help me much, I must look at it from the wrong perspective
 
1:13 PM
it's only interesting because Turing proved that all more complex deterministic virtual machines are equivalent to his super-simple Turing machine- i.e., you can implement any arbitrary virtual machine with a Turing machine.
 
Turing completeness is a checkbox, but not really an interesting property of a language
It doesn't tell you much about the capabilities of the language
Brainfuck is Turing complete
 
a Turing-Complete language is a language whose abstract virtual machine (like C++'s) is as powerful as a Turing machine.
 
templates are turing complete
 
@CatPlusPlus I was more curious about how MTG can be turing complete
which is totally different from a programming language in my view
 
@AlexM. It mostly means that you can express a Turing machine in terms of playing MTG cards.
 
1:15 PM
It's a meaningless term outside of computing
 
@AlexM. It's not, else it can't be TC.
the whole point of it being TC is that you can treat MTG as a programming language, with the cards as input.
and the result can calculate anything any language you're used to can calculate.
the more interesting things about TC are undecidability, like you can't solve the Halting Problem.
aside from that there's nothing tremendously interesting or useful about being TC.
 
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Q: Why are my kids naked?

DaveTheGamer I was playing my old hearth fire save in skyrim when my kids where only wearing their underwear and when I attempted to give them cloths they didn't do anything with them. Anyone else have the solution? EDIT Now the rest of the skyrim kids aren't wearing cloths EDIT2 wtf they are not wearin...

dat title
 
the other major interesting thing in the computability arena is non-deterministic turing machines, i.e. quantum computers.
 
@DeadMG that I think I can get
so playing a card is executing an instruction and its effect is the output
 
@AlexM. thank you for the laugh of the day
 
1:19 PM
@AlexM. Roughly.
 
@DeadMG I never understood that I watched a youtube video on it and they were trying to say that if there is a .65 probability of a it being 0 and a .35 probability of it being 1 then we can treat this as it's own state
 
@DeadMG quantum != non-deterministic
 
12 hours ago, by Mysticial
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Q: Why are my kids naked?

DaveTheGamerI was playing my old hearth fire save in skyrim when my kids where only wearing their underwear and when I attempted to give them cloths they didn't do anything with them. Anyone else have the solution? EDIT Now the rest of the skyrim kids aren't wearing cloths

 
damn
 
12 HOURS AGO
 
1:24 PM
@ecatmur QMs are the only known actual hardware implementations of non-deterministic machines, though.
 
how dare you repost things that old?
 
mysticial-sensei always faster :(
I hope he'll notice me someday
 
don't worry you've got me
 
you mean mysticial-senpai
 
well yeah
actually considering how everyone here knows more stuff than me, you're all my senpais
notice me everyone-senpai :(
 
1:27 PM
Non-determinism isn't the major motivator behind QC; you can always augment a classical TM with a RNG
 
if you think there's no reason, just wait until I get home
 
I'll invent a turing complete way to bake a cake
 
@ecatmur That doesn't fir the model of a non-deterministic TM because it doesn't actually produce the correct answer non-deterministically.
 
1:29 PM
can I do something like unsigned signed int or something
I wish signed and unsigned were type modifiers like const :(
 
I've never heard of the signed keyword until now
 
signed is default so it's pretty dumb
 
is there any special use for it (i.e. is it necessary)? I mean int is signed implicitly
@DeadMG that's what I thought
 
user1804599
@AlexM. yeah, why is it green?
 
no clue
 
user1804599
1:34 PM
Alex, you're so clueless.
 
yeah, well, you're so Alex-less!
ha!
 
user1804599
:'[
 
I hope you enjoy being Jefffreyful
 
user1804599
Of course I do. :3
 
@filip: your GCC bug got fixed gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=60755
which you probably already know for the same reason that I do
so never mind
 
1:38 PM
@DeadMG it's a valid model for a computer; it produces the complexity classes BPP etc.
which are not known to collapse into the corresponding deterministic complexity classes
I'm not sure which terminology you're using; mine agrees with en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probabilistic_Turing_machine
oh wait, my bad
on the other hand if you meant en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-deterministic_Turing_machine then those are equivalent to deterministic TMs
huh, I'm wrong again
aargh
 
I'm eating ice cream for breakfast
 
good call
with anything?
 
probably a spoon
 
nope
 
ice cream on waffles is good breakfast food
 
1:44 PM
@ecatmur dang, late again
 
I think he meant something else.
 
YES
 
yeah never ate anything like that
 
As much as I like peanuts
I don't think I'd put them on waffles
 
why not just get a waffle cone?
 
1:47 PM
oh stop it please. I'm hungry! :-D
 
Completely different?
Waffle cones are hard.
Waffles are soft.
 
yeah I know, not nearly as good, it's really like a regular cone but corrugated I was being facetious
 
I'm not sure they're peanuts
More likely pecans
 
another thing that I never ate and always wanted to is pancakes that look like this
 
those definitely look like peanuts to me
 
1:50 PM
 
peanuts are like my least favorite nut, why do they have to be the most abundant nut?
I mean they're not bad, but compared to cashews and other nuts, they just suck
 
looks tastier
 
they're really good yeah
 
that almost looks like a crepe or however you spell it
maybe crepe/pancake hybrid
 
1:52 PM
that's how they're normally served in restaurants
at home people just put jam inside and roll them like this
 
your pancake/crepes look way better
you're not missing out on anything
I promise
 
that's crepes, not pancakes
 
and another thing, if you put olives into a press what comes out olive oil or olive juice?
 
crepes are a type of pancake
 
@AaronKyleKilleen olive oil
 
1:53 PM
pancake are way more thick
 
and if you press the previously pressed olives there's still oil coming out
 
You can make them thick or thin
 
that's usually what goes in cheaper olive oil products
 
Still pancakes
 
@AlexM. well then what's olive juice?
 
1:54 PM
I can't find olive juice for sale anywhere on the web; care to link?
 
crêpe is from the Latin crispa, meaning "curled"
 
@AlexM. if I squeeze lemons I get lemon juice
 
@AlexM. he has invented it, but left the burden on you to invent what it is.
 
what
 
the circumflex on the ê means there used to be an s after it
 
1:55 PM
@AlexM. dirtysue.com/store the page shows olive juice used for dirty martinis
@AlexM. although I think olive juice is just the liquid in the jar of olives
 
or... an olive flavored drink
 
that's oil...
since when is juice oil?
 
yeah, I don't understand why certain types of juice are called oil
 
you know, you can squeeze many things and not get juice
just saying.
about the crepe thing
> A crêpe or crepe is a type of very thin pancake, usually made from wheat flour (crêpes de Froment) or buckwheat flour (galettes).
 
I'm willing to consider that you put olives into a press and get olive juice, they then take it to a refinery and where they make olive oil
 
1:58 PM
in Romania we don't call them crepes, we call them "clatite" which literally means "pancakes"
 
@AlexM. well that's gypsy talk
 
huh?
 

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