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12:30 AM
I wonder if LaTeX 3 will come out before I die.
 
1:15 AM
I'm wondering the same about C++ modules ;)
 
1:38 AM
@Borgleader On please, pleeeeese! Evey time I have to go to C++ on embedded stuff from my Delphi modules, it all seems just so apallingly messy:(
..and slow..., (build-wise)
 
Today, I remembered why I stopped playing Civ5: it destroys my free time.
 
I can't believe there are sites that exist today that don't export citations to BibTeX
 
1:54 AM
> Today, I was taking a nap. Apparently, my two year old daughter decided to crawl on top of the covers on my bed because she was scared since there was a thunder storm. I thought she was one of our cats so I kicked her off. She hit the wall. FML
 
I don't know if I should feel bad for the man, or laugh my ass off
 
> is the wall ok??
lel
 
Sometimes it's hard tell what's trolling & what's telling the truth on the internet without having more background information
 
2:38 AM
But the real question is: does it really matter?
 
 
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5:17 AM
Finally a record - 3 hours!
 
I thought about clarify the timing, but I thought it should be obvious that I am talking about more recent times :p
 
@telkitty.exe Some of us are a little on the... slow Java side.
 
lol :p
 
6:00 AM
It's @ThePhD 's birthday
8
 
Morning
I'm back in London
 
How was ... your date Q_Q
 
Was cool :)
Good to meet another Lounger in real life.
 
I guess you are expecting loungers to ask you ...
How was your trip? :)
 
@telkitty.exe Not really. This is the Internet, I don't expect much at all.
@telkitty.exe My trip was good. :)
 
6:12 AM
Nice to know :)
 
How have you been?
 
samo ... things take longer than expected & I am not a very patient person :p
lounge has been quiet around this time of the day
 
6:41 AM
o/
 
Xeo
6:59 AM
user image
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lol
 
@Xeo That's the first law. You really learn the second when you have a baby and start changing diapers: doodoo always increases.
 
could've been my answer in the exams...
 
@JerryCoffin hahahah
 
7:04 AM
@TonyTheLion You won't think it's so funny if you ever have children... :-)
On that note, I think I need to go sleep. Later.
 
2nd law of thermodynamics - the chaos in a isolated chat room never decreases
because a chat room is destined for maximum chaos
 
@JerryCoffin heh
 
The 3rd law: The chaos of a perfect chat room, at absolute time zero, is exactly equal to zero.
 
@AndyProwl Like I said, it's just a balance of costs: using a vdtor puts cost on each instance (relevant if you want std::array<Derived, LARGE_NUMBER>) and the other does indeed grow the pointer type (relevant if you have many of those).
@AndyProwl (Guess you're not easily pleased. How do you reckon anything "magic" could be done, if not by having the overhead? It can't be done, unless the types are statically known, in which case you simply didn't need runtime polymorphism)
@Mikhail oooooooooold news :) Also, Robocopy is hardly "Windows"
 
1st law: the conservation of chaos. Total chaos of an isolated chat system is constant; It cannot be created or destroyed. But chaos can be transformed from one room to another
 
user1804599
7:13 AM
What happens if a FIFO has the execute bit set and you try to execute it?
 
Xeo
31
Q: can C++ code be valid in both C++03 and C++11 but do different things?

Erik SjölundIs it possible for C++ code to conform to both the C++03 standard and the C++11 standard but do different things depending on under which standard it is being compiled?

I could swear ^ is a duplicate
 
user1804599
Hmm, weird.
 
user1804599
It blocks until I open a new terminal window. WTF.
 
^^ Troll posts and deletes the same question 4 times.
lol
 
oh gawd
meta
 
7:18 AM
@rightfold it's just a file. Shells have no trouble executing scripts that are changing
 
user1804599
@Mysticial Downvote, close, delete and ban.
 
@sehe I guess he meant FIFO as in Name pipe of some kind?
 
user1804599
@sehe The point is
 
@TonyTheLion What else
@Mysticial lovely
 
:)
 
user1804599
7:19 AM
execl("some_fifo", "some_fifo");
 
@sehe the data structure
 
user1804599
I should try this. Shells are irrelevant.
 
@TonyTheLion :) yeah. I wasn't exactly thinking that (how do you make it executable?)
 
user1804599
chmod +x my_fifo
 
@rightfold Timing /is/ though. Need to write before the shell executes
 
7:20 AM
@sehe Yea, that's why I got horribly confused when he asked that, because I didn't know about the named pipe definition of FIFO
 
user1804599
@sehe Why are you assuming anything about shells?
 
@rightfold hush. In je mand. Als je niet leest kun je niet meepraten :)
 
user1804599
You do not need a shell to execute a file.
 
@rightfold Are you thinking about binary executables? At least you'll have to think about the loader.
 
user1804599
@sehe Omdat ik analfabeet ben zeker he? Racist.
 
7:21 AM
Precies
 
user1804599
@sehe Are FIFOs not blocking?
 
If it's a binary, it'll attempt mmap, I think. If it's shell script, I suspect it might work
 
user1804599
FIFOs are hilarious.
 
Yea I can't stop laughing
 
@TonyTheLion oh man, me too
 
7:30 AM
lol
 
user1804599
Huh.
 
@JH thank u very much for giving me such useful information. — M D 21 mins ago
lol
 
 
user1804599
@Mysticial I like how he censors the information while it can be found on his profile page anyway.
 
What's the Big O for f(x)=sinx?
 
Xeo
O(something)
 
> Testing server spam filter to report to indian hackerz community team.

pyscho gay like me is smart..like the car
well...
 
user1804599
@AÌ·nÌ·dÌ·yÌ· wat
 
Looks like they're still desperately trying to take down SE.
 
user1804599
7:41 AM
It depends on the algorithm you use to calculate the sine.
 
@rightfold just in general. The worst case. What would Big O equal to, if the function of the algorithm is the geometric function sin(x)?
 
Xeo
@Mysticial Is there any meta post on that?
 
@Xeo Not really. But seeing all the spam that's coming in.
Some of which is taking responsibility for DOS attacks.
 
user1804599
@AÌ·nÌ·dÌ·yÌ· Do you mean O(sin(n))? I'm confused.
 
O(sin(n)) would be pretty strange
 
user1804599
7:42 AM
If f(x) = sin(x), then the complexity of f is the complexity of sin.
 
@rightfold Sorry my question is not clear enough. sin(x) = O(?)
 
user1804599
Depends on the algorithm.
 
user1804599
Sine is not an algorithm.
 
user1804599
You implement it using an algorithm, and that algorithm has a complexity.
 
@AÌ·nÌ·dÌ·yÌ· x^n = O(?)?
 
Xeo
7:44 AM
O(1), with a lookup table :D
 
@AlexM. =O(x^n)
 
O(n) with the naive approach
 
@Xeo heh
 
user1804599
Although I'd say that O(?) is a nice notation for "unknown complexity." :P
 
O(log x) with exponentiation by squaring
@AÌ·nÌ·dÌ·yÌ· no
 
user1804599
7:45 AM
@AlexM. I think you mean O(log x).
 
fix'd
 
ooooooh, my VS2013 magically fixed itself
(to the extent that VS2013 can ever be considered "not broken", anyway)
 
@Xeo Willing to bet they use lookup tables for libc
:P
 
oooohh magic
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion O(magic)
 
7:47 AM
dat pun
 
user1804599
Go uses x86 instruction for math.Sin.
 
Amazing
 
So does probably every math library
 
@Rapptz not the ones that aren't compiled for x86
 
user1804599
3 mins ago, by Rapptz
@Xeo Willing to bet they use lookup tables for libc
 
user1804599
7:50 AM
Or does x86 use a lookup table?
 
they can very well do both!
 
Wat, where did my VsVim go now?
 
Xeo
It went crying in a corner because it can never be as good as Vim itself.
:P
 
ugh, modal dialogs
I hate the Visual Studio team so much
 
@jalf why?
 
7:54 AM
@AÌ·nÌ·dÌ·yÌ· Well, a broad range of reasons, but right now, because they use modal dialogs for everything
 
So you hate modal dialogs, really.
I hate them too.
And yes, I think VS is doing silly things with them
 
modal dialogs have been around for ages ...
 
@Xeo aww
 
@telkitty.exe Thanks, dude. That really helps
 
@telkitty.exe so has cancer
 
7:59 AM
@rightfold actually it's O(nlogx), after I reviewed it
 
Well, not sure whether this hatred was long rooted or only recent ...
 
Bye Everyone. Thanks for the help.
 
8:13 AM
@telkitty.exe what dya reckon\
 
recent, never heard jalf complaining about modal dialog before @_@
 
you lack judgement
 
morning
 
mourning
 
8:24 AM
Robotics!
 
so then
following Itanium ABI rules for the layout of primary non-virtual base classes... joy.
 
I'm putting my slides for tomorrow here for feedback: flamingdangerzone.com/resources/mojibake.pdf.
It will have to be a rollercoaster ride to fit in 15 minutes.
 
Your slides are so ... black & white
 
+1 for Japanese :)
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes I love the unclickable links at the end.
 
8:35 AM
@Xeo and non-copyable as well
 
thought they were Chinese & Korean characters
 
Java trivia: what does Boolean.getBoolean("false") return or do?
 
probably returns the Boolean corresponding to true knowing Java
 
That's a property query.
 
user1804599
@sehe It returns false.
 
user1804599
8:42 AM
As opposed to the equivalent of new Boolean(false) which you would expect (again, principle of most astonishment).
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes do you use a drawing tablet for this?
 
@sehe I wasn't looking for magic :)
 
@rightfold TROLOLOL. You fell for it.
 
Xeo
@sehe He mentioned that he writes it and then scans it, IIRC
 
@sehe No. I draw it all on paper.
 
8:43 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sounds fun. Wish I could be there
 
user1804599
> Returns true if and only if the system property named by the argument exists and is equal to the string "true". (Beginning with version 1.0.2 of the JavaTM platform, the test of this string is case insensitive.) A system property is accessible through getProperty, a method defined by the System class.
 
user1804599
Okay, this is the principle of fuck you.
4
 
@sehe Raw scans here: db.tt/lRAKws0u
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes your presentations are almost magical :D
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes wow. just wow. Do you actually know how to write those japanese/chinese (?) characters or is it just hand-copying from a screen font :)
@DeadMG It's a jail
 
8:48 AM
huh, is std::type_index really in it's own header?
 
I run potrace on the scans to get a vector path as svg; then in Inkscape delete all the paths that are dirt/noise/whatever; put things in place, rotate them, etc; save as pngs; and then use ImageMagick to munge them into a single PDF.
I thought of using pdftk afterwards to set PDF metadata and stuff, but fuck it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes furry noise!
@rightfold Very much so! Brilliant, innit? I noticed this gem because our java client contained something like if (Boolean.getBoolean("com.example.client.Client.restart")) { logger.info("Restarting"); and I thought "How the heck are system properties for state, and how the heck is that the responsibility of the Boolean class" :(
 
user1804599
Java sucks, Java programmers suck and everything related to Java is horrible.
 
user1804599
Except Clojure. OMG CLOJURE.
 
user1804599
I actually had a dream about Rich Hickey last night.
 
8:52 AM
hmm
I wonder if I can write a code (har har) to automatically generate a memoize-style unordered_map?
 
@sehe Nah, I just copied most things.
The "Allah ligature" is the only non-Latin-based thing that I knew beforehand.
 
Hehe. I just learned to count from1 to 10 in Arabic. I blame my sons weird taste in library books.
 
user1804599
Ze moeten Arabisch leren op school.
 
user1804599
Anders RACISME.
 
@DeadMG what the hell is a memoize-style <whatever-datastructure/> anyways?
The usual approach entails shared_ptr. But with lambda move-captures it could be done without such atrocitities
 
8:57 AM
nah, I just need get or create Y object with X parameters.
right now, I have like 20 functions which are all this way, and like, 20 distinct cache objects.
 
That slide will be really fun to rush through.
 
@DeadMG boost lightweight w/custom factory?
@R.MartinhoFernandes the one with the Allah lig? Or just all of them?
The C-word slide. Yeah. Loved the mystery title
 
Xeo
Combining character?
 
@sehe It's just one logical slide that shows up in parts for effect.
"(...) is an UTF-8 continuation byte a character? That's not a character; that's a stickman. Are the C++ character objects characters? Is it [tʃɑɹ] or [kÊ°æɹ]?"
 
@Xeo just "character" I presumed
 
9:02 AM
we humans are pretty cool, we discovered coffee and stuff
coffee is nice
 
Xeo
bleh coffee
 
but... but... coffee is nice :(
 
@Xeo It's "cunt", obviously.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I guessed it correctly, yay me
 
We're not surprised.
 
9:05 AM
@sehe Hahahah
 
ah whatever
I'll attend to that later.
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion lol
 
@rightfold giggle
 
9:21 AM
Well, here is a paradigm I never seen before, making C++ look more like Java: bitbucket.org/osrf/gazebo/src/…
 
GAZEBO_VISIBLE is so funny.
(cultural reference required for funniness: web.duke.edu/DRAGO/humor/gazebo.html)
 
That's so ugly
 
Well, robotic engineers are in my view, ranking lower than game programmers.
It is an "accurate" physics simulator.
 
> There is now a gazebo with an arrow sticking out of it.
 
9:24 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes What's not: i.imgur.com/WQFQzIW.png
 
But every once in a while you get this great physics simulator behavior: youtube.com/watch?v=_Lb_Zo4BeT0
 
But don't listen to me. I'm currently looking up SwingWorker and using EDT synch to get our client to launch in less than 46 seconds... :{
 
> /// \brief Stop the world.
That sounds dangerous :P
 
void HammerTime();
 
@TonyTheLion It's just a comment. Move along
 
9:26 AM
Rocks fall, everyone gets eaten by gazebos
 
Those comments seem like something from a text about an apocalypse
 
That reminds me, I still need to make a rant about the "Robot Operating System", which is just a crappy message passing system.
 
Ahaha ROS
 
Did you have the pleasure of dealing with ROS?
 
My friend wanted to use it on rPi for whatever, we've spent forever trying to deploy it
And in the end it never worked
 
9:28 AM
@Nican Common with game developers.
 
Documentation non-existent
 
Seems about right.
@Rapptz These are not even game developers. This are robotics engineers, trying to make a real $2mil robot stand up.
Then again, robotics is just the ultimate gaming platform.
 
@Nican Go here: gazebosim.org and you'll see they use OGRE which does the same thing.
 
Touche.
While I am at this, there is also this great gem: gazebosim.org/wiki/Gzweb
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You gotta get them to record your thing this time
 
9:33 AM
@CatPlusPlus Worst case, I'll ask a friend.
 
> Galileo Was Wrong: The Church Was Right is one of the most unique and penetrating books you will ever read
:laffo:
What is a penetrating book
 
Xeo
> Could not connect to Game Center server.
Well fuck you too, Apple.
 
Is it meant to be used as ammo
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus A book that forbids penetration until marriage.
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus A book that wants to make you stab your eyes.
 
9:36 AM
> Scientific evidence available to us within the last 100 years that was not available during Galileo’s confrontation shows that the Church’s position on the immobility of the Earth is not only scientifically supportable, but it is the most stable model of the universe and the one which best answers all the evidence we see in the cosmos.
Breaking news: religions also linked to brain damage
 
Xeo
> Not only will you see from Volume I how modern science has documented for us in bold fashion that the Earth is motionless in space and occupies the center of the universe (yet have done an equally remarkable job in keeping these important facts out of our educational system)
Yes, we are at the center of our observable universe, good job
 
oh gawd
 
Their head is in the center of their ass
 
Also beatiful in Java: Void foo() { return null; /* required... */ }
 
That's not really unusual
 
9:44 AM
@sehe ho boy
/// \brief Don't write code like this.
 
Returns void? Would that compile?
 
Yup.
 
Void != void
 
Oh derp.
 
9:45 AM
@CatPlusPlus can't have Void as a generic type argument. SwingWorker<Void, Void> right now
 
fwiw you can return void() in C++, too!
 
It is also great that sometimes I do not even need to return anything and it still compiles.
 
But Java's Void can have two different values.
 
Unit type is generally a useful thing
Related: why does everyone insist on universal nullability
 
user1804599
@sehe Worked on my machine.
 
user1804599
9:48 AM
@CatPlusPlus because Java does it and Java is good.
 
> use of alias template requires template argument list
Yay.
 
@Nican That's not "great". That's you not setting the proper warning flags.
 
I tried that once on this project. 1366 is the number.
 
@CatPlusPlus Nobody does. But Java's generics are just flawed in that all types must be Object-derived (or else the byte-code erasure wouldn't work anymore)
 
9:56 AM
@Nican -Wall -Wextra -pedantic
 
Oh boy. I have not tried -Wextra yet.
 
...
Oh you are in for a world of hurt now son!
Prepare to spend the next three days fixing all your subtly broken code!
 
@sehe I know, that's not related though
You're writing C++, prepare to spend the rest of your life fixing all of your subtly broken code
 
"You're writing C++ with other people"
 
@CatPlusPlus Speak for yourself
 
10:13 AM
@CatPlusPlus I'm not, at the moment
@CatPlusPlus Of course it is! I would have written void if I could. And I couldn't because it's a genertic type arg
you...
muhahahahahaha
 
This math class depress me...
 
@sehe Not related to universal nullability
Facebook docs are so fucking unhelpful
"Description of the type of a status update." and then an enum with some magic values HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHAT'S WHAT
 
Catplusplus don't use Facebook
 
@CatPlusPlus meh. I'm not debating philosophies. I'm writing actual code. Nothing to do with universal nullability. (Not even in Java btw., int is not nullable)
 
I'm not talking about generics at all is the thing
 
10:18 AM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Who says he does? He just integrates with it's API :)
@CatPlusPlus Meh. ^ what I said
 
Tell me your math class didn't look like that
 
You couldn't find a more contrived way of posting an image?
 
Mobile stack overflow suck
And g+ doesn't give me an url
If you have a better idea I'm open to suggestions
 
imgur duh
 
10:24 AM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix you also could zip it.
 
There is no point in zipping a jpg
 
the point is to make viewing it harder.
 
I'm getting C2955 on result_type<Args...>.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes shouldn't it be <f(Args...)> ?
or was it result_of?
 
Doesn't matter, really.
C2955 is "use of class type requires type argument list"
IOW, another giant fuck you.
 
10:30 AM
hmm
my life is so dissatisfying
2
 
Variadic templates? Barely. Alias templates? Barely. decltype? Barely. VS12 is the new VC6.
 
@DeadMG I thought you could eat now.
 
a little
 
Good UI design, MySQL Workbench style:
 
10:36 AM
@DeadMG With that realization you can now start doing things to make your life more satisfying.
 
yeah, it's just that nothing really comes to mind.
 
@CatPlusPlus You're gonna need a bigger window.
 
Bigger RDP resolution doesn't fit on my screen :v
Also whichever genius restricted RDP to 4:3 resolutions thanks
Oh wait there's 720p, woo
 
@DeadMG You don't know what satisfies you?
 
the usual candidates don't seem to be having a great deal of impact right now
 
10:40 AM
oh I see
Try something new and adventurous
 
Like sleeping 12 hours instead of 10
BE A REBEL
 
the only adventures to be had around here are fields.
 
sleep more, fap less :P
@DeadMG go play with the cows?
 
"fap less" ... "go play with the cows"
Careful, Tony.
 
10:43 AM
@DeadMG having lived close to where you are, I know what you mean.
 
I don't think that they are interested in stimulating conversation about RTTI, EH, virtual functions implementation.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes hehe
 
Adventure time
 
@DeadMG oh you need a stimulating conversation about programming?
geesh
Currently, this line in my code OleDbDataReader Reader = Cmd.ExecuteReader(); hangs, trying to read an XLS file
I have no idea why it hangs, the file exists, it can be opened and it has content
I step over it, and it never gets to the breakpoint on the next line
strange behaviour
 
step into it?
 
10:48 AM
tried that, doesn't do anything
 
sounds like compiler/linker bug or generally UB to me
try rebuilding?
 
Xeo
wrong file?
 
even if it was the wrong file, why would that hang instead of throwing?
 
@TonyTheLion break into the debugging when it's hanging, and see what it's doing?
 
but if you can't step into it, that's usually "I have a pretty fucking serious problem" time.
 
10:52 AM
@jalf lemme try that
 
hopefully you can at least get a stack trace then
 
when I press pause while it is supposed to be executing Cmd.ExecuteReader();, it breaks inside Main
 
sounds like stack corruption to me
 

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