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12:02 AM
where?
 
GCC 4.9.0
 
ah
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit My curry is inside me:)
@JohanLarsson Doge can work, but you have to be careful in the morning. I vividly remember waking up in a hotel in Maidenhead with my arms round a girl who seemed to be much furrier than I remembered from the night before. My girl was in the shower, and I was making amorous advances to a huge golden lab. The dog didn't seem to mind, but it scared the shit out of me:)
 
yeah I read that
 
I'll save the lecture about "as of this time" for some other date
 
but it's okay
still release series
 
yeah just means your starred message and my FB announcement and my tweet retweeted by @Meeting_Cpp are all a lie
 
It's all true!
I never liked things that go past 9 digits, e.g. 4.10.0
 
12:25 AM
2.6.38 was a good linux kernel.
 
either way I have to wait a million years to get GCC 4.9.0 in MinGW flavour.
 
Hmm.
Seems like I can't paste in a value when changing my password on Battle.net
It's like they don't want it to be secure or something
 
»If no show stoppers appear, I'd like to release 4.9.0 after Easter Monday«
from the mail behind the date after Status: aka http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2014-04/msg00091.html
 
Thanks man. I forgot my reading ability at work.
@EtiennedeMartel Type it yourself? Not being able to paste in a value is mostly a good thing.
Use a password manager like KeePass.
 
@Rapptz I'm generating one with KeePass.
 
12:29 AM
You do know you have keyboard shortcuts to type it right?
Ctrl + Alt + Z for me.
 
@Rapptz no, 4.9.0 has not been released. that page is misleading
if you click on the 4.9.0 link it explicitly states that there has not been a release yet
there is a release candidate
Jakob's status update mailing makes it explicitly clear also
as Darklighter said
 
You're arguing with me despite already agreeing with you?
 
> It's all true!
 
I'm not sure what else you want me to say there.
 
12:32 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ^^
 
I'm such a noob.
 
arguing with that
 
I'm being sarcastic. Come on, the exclamation point didn't give it away?
 
because it's not all true
@Rapptz ok. no, it didn't!
:)
 
I know I got mislead by the page btw
Mostly cause I was following the page and they said they'd release in early April so I guess I ate the bait.
 
12:37 AM
yep
and now everybody's retweeting me (despite a followup clarification) and I look stupid
all your fault
 
blame reddit instead
they influenced me too
or Hacker News
pick your poison
I'm kind of excited for improved lto though
 
12:51 AM
I should probably go do something more productive
 
I'm trying to close stackoverflow.com/questions/23037869/… as a dupe of stackoverflow.com/questions/2570329/… but for some reason my comment/edit/close etc are non-functional on that particular question
Anyone else have weird behavior with that question?
 
Weird. Already restarted browser, too
Can't even upvote your comment.
 
hm, clear cookies? ask on meta?
 
Dunno how cookies would affect only one question, though
I'm using Firefox, btw
hmm, works ok in my Chrome
but that isn't necessarily a Chrome vs Firefox thing
 
12:57 AM
clearing cookies always solve all my browser problems.
but you could ask on meta
 
 
1 hour later…
2:12 AM
@Rapptz I'm pretty sure the vast majority of browser problems I've fixed was by switching to something other than IE. :-)
 
2:31 AM
I am on firefox & I have problems ...
 
@telkitty.exe Nowadays I use Chrome probably 90+% of the time...
 
I am used to firefox ... not using Chrome to browse google :p
 
FF blows.
but I am using it anyway
 
I use both and have problems with neither
 
Chrome's a lot nicer imo
 
3:09 AM
Google may not seem (or even be) nearly as admirable as they once did, but they still do at least a few things better than anybody else seems to right now.
 
old but relevant read (Why I left Google): blogs.msdn.com/b/jw_on_tech/archive/2012/03/13/…
I thought it was interesting when I first read it
didn't expect those reasons
 
but Microsoft has worse conditions
 
hey, at least he didn't go work for those guys who made farmville
 
3:24 AM
Zynga?
 
yeah, those guys
 
@Rapptz I think they're very similar. Both make products on which the vast majority of the markets depends very heavily, but neither of those products' market is growing very fast (if at all) any more, so they both really want to move toward newer, more exciting markets.
 
I think most software/internet giant started on the innovation ground, but as they grow larger and they become more and more business like and less tilted towards innovation - probably because the need a coorporate structure and that means people they hire would be different - founders are tend to be leaders, CEO hired are managers. Founders has a version of the whole picture of the company, hired CEOs are only concerned with short term profit normally - that's my 2 cents anyways :p
 
Except googles current CEO is the founder... isnt it?
 
probably explains why they are still doing things slightly better :p
 
3:35 AM
procrastination kills
 
@Borgleader Google's current CEO is one of the two founders, yes.
 
@Rapptz do things too ... at faster rate sometimes (that's why I go bush walking/ocean swimming and diving, or is it?? >_<)
 
need to find a firefox extension that lets me block websites for x amount of minutes.
 
I'm not sure being a founder really means all that much though. Steve Ballmer was one of the founders of Microsoft and was, beyond any reasonable doubt, the worst CEO of any major corporation in recent history -- and quite possibly ever. He wasn't technically a founder, but he was employee number 30, and I don't think if he'd been a founder it would have made a single iota of difference.
 
I heard he put in place some corporate policies that ruined the working environment for employees =/
 
3:45 AM
Sometimes I wonder whether the fundamentals of capitalism is the bottleneck for true innovation nowadays ... we have been taught that money is the valid reason for doing things, especially business. But what is good for the long run are not necessarily profitable in the short run -like solar panels, single person cars
 
@Borgleader I've heard the same. More specifically, he put in place a policy that basically said (no matter how well a project did) that only some small percentage of contributors could be given good reviews. Another percentage could get (at best) average reviews. Another percentage would be given negative reviews.
@telkitty.exe I'd certainly agree that many companies have started to focus far too much on short-term profits, at the expense of the longer term. I don't think that's an inevitable consequence of capitalism though.
 
4:25 AM
Always amazes me how 'busy' modern people are ... with all these cars, computers, people are actually working longer hours, but not exactly producing much more ... I wonder whether those 'high paid' professional jobs are created to 'entrap' people - most people are taught to want them, and it so high you can afford a comfortable living while working, but low enough that you can not save enough so you have to keep on working ...
I wonder how many useless jobs does modern society have ... I am either crazy or super sane :p
I need to get laid and have children - one way to improve the IQ of human gene pool </shameless self promotion> :p
 
 
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6:27 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Do you agree btw?
@JerryCoffin The short term thing depends on the owners imo. If finance owns stuff it makes sense.
@MartinJames :D
 
@JohanLarsson Nowadays, many (most?) "owners" really own shares in some mutual fund via their 401K account. Stock trace commissions and such used to limit the rate at which people traded stocks, so people tended to do longer-term investing. Fund managers typically work with large enough volumes that it's much easier for them to think and work in much shorter-term. This, in turn, forces companies to focus much more on short-term results.
 
@telkitty.exe: Damn, you avatar is scary.
 
Oops. s/trace/trade/
 
@JerryCoffin yea I agree and it makes sense, the funds are compared/sold by their short term results.
I don't remember the source but I think only 6% of index founds beat index btw.
 
6:43 AM
@JohanLarsson I haven't kept track of it to know the exact percentages, but it doesn't surprise me that the number's pretty small.
Hmm...looks like Stack Overflow is offline.
 
yeas fees makes it impossible
 
Well, I think I need to get some sleep. G'night everybody.
 
morning
 
Main site down?
 
6:58 AM
Yeah
Not only the main site, but other subsites sistersites too
 
@VáclavZeman scary? in what ways? :p
 
@telkitty.exe In a scary way?
 
it's an old woman, how scary could it be?
 
I wanted to have my SO dosage this morning :/
 
7:14 AM
@HamZa :)
 
@Rapptz It's not a good thing
It's just a dumb UI design that doesn't make anything more secure, only more annoying
 
Isn't this a bit scary...
SO is UP! SO is UP! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!
 
7:29 AM
That's not a good news
 
Hmmm other sites seems to be down...
 
why was SO down, scheduled maintenance or DoS attack?
 
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Q: All sites were down

TGMCiansWhy were StackOverFlow, MetaStackOverFlow, and Games StackExchange etc. down for almost two hours? Is there any reason, or was it officially announced somewhere privately? If it was not announced officially, then you should at least put a message on Twitter Status. Today, there is nothing like t...

waiting...
 
looks like a DoS attack
happens on a Sunday too
Looks like some question banned script kiddie got mad
funny the chat is still up ... maybe on another server, lol
 
7:56 AM
Sigh ...
 
@telkitty.exe room10 army to the rescue?
 
lol :)
meta idiots ...
 
8:19 AM
morning
2 messages moved to PHP
 
1 message moved to PHP
Damn
 
gotcha
 
Why the fuck do I always get ninja'ed?
 
not our problem
 
PHP? In here? Am I still asleep and having a nightmare?
 
user1804599
8:20 AM
Ask in the PHP room or on Stack Overflow TIA.
 
@rightfold ..assuming it's up:)
 
1 message moved to PHP
 
@Pank follow the links for a better room for your questions
 
4 messages moved from PHP
 
Guys please move it to

 bin

It's a bin, for binning things.
 
8:23 AM
4 messages moved to bin
 
@DeadMG thanks
 
Sorry Folks, I will move to php room. Thanks for suggestion
 
lol
 
user1804599
8:40 AM
@MartinJames not my problem
 
user1804599
Maybe the API works. Use that for all I care.
 
@rightfold Yeah - it's really annoying to get a PHP question dump on a Sunday morning. I've only had two coffees so far, so I can't take such shocks to the system:)
 
user1804599
> Memory usage building Firefox with debug enabled was reduced from 15GB to 3.5GB; link time from 1700 seconds to 350 seconds.
 
user1804599
lol
 
user1804599
I suspect that the Firefox code base consists of what is called bad code.
 
user1804599
8:43 AM
As well as the GCC code base.
 
rightfold, did you change the list of rules?
 
user1804599
No.
 
9:08 AM
chalking it up as a failed review
 
Hey @rightfold did you buy an arduino (or something similar)?
 
user1804599
No, did you?
 
I'm considering buying this kit iprototype.nl/products/kits/starterkit
 
user1804599
Cool.
 
user1804599
We had to use Arduino at school.
 
9:10 AM
Nice
 
@HamZa '5 x Condensator 100nF' - are you buying a fridge?
 
euhm, to be honest. I don't have a slighest idea what that piece of electronic does. But that's also why I will maybe buy it to get more knowledge about it.
I'm doing a study called "technical computing". We learn some C and inner stuff about computer (cpu etc...). So I thought I really should do something practical and drop this php :P
 
Also, '20 x Resistors 220 ohm', '5 x Weerstand 560 ohm' - strange - it's almost like I translated that page:)
 
@MartinJames F is the unit for capacitance, no? So I'd assume that condensator is just a bad translation.
 
@DeadMG I must have done it after all!
 
9:15 AM
Well let's just hope the manual/book is actually in english :D
 
Capacitor and condenser is the same thing :v
 
Capacitator is kondensator in Swedish
 
a condenser condenses gases into liquids.
a capacitor stores charge.
 
user1804599
Een condensator!
 
@CatPlusPlus 'Condensator; sounds like an A/C or fridge component, like an evaporateur:)
InCapacitator
 
9:17 AM
Cyaa guys (or girls?)
 
A capacitor (originally known as a condenser) is a passive two-terminal electrical component used to store energy electrostatically in an electric field. The forms of practical capacitors vary widely, but all contain at least two electrical conductors (plates) separated by a dielectric (i.e., insulator). The conductors can be thin films of metal, aluminum foil or disks, etc. The 'nonconducting' dielectric acts to increase the capacitor's charge capacity. A dielectric can be glass, ceramic, plastic film, air, paper, mica, etc. Capacitors are widely used as parts of electrical circuit...
 
Bye!
Talking of capacitors and energy storage in electrostatic fields, my car tried to electrocute me again yesterday. First time this year.
 
have fun
 
@JohanLarsson Heh - the list of dielectrics does not include 'aluminium oxide', which is strange considering that the pic is clearly of electrolytics:)
 
user1804599
I think I will spend Monday refactoring all day.
 
9:25 AM
why not today?
 
user1804599
Because I don’t feel like writing PHP code today.
 
@JohanLarsson 'Sunday' is not in the defined set of [refactoringDays].
 
Sunday is the best refactoringday
 
user1804599
Let’s see how much there is to refactor.
 
@JohanLarsson Sunday is also in [BeerAndCardgames], and that set has a higher priority.
 
user1804599
9:28 AM
Decoupling code in about 40 request handlers from HTTP stuff.
 
user1804599
With probably some deletion of duplicate code.
 
@rightfold Have fun. I'm not going near my crappy DB migration issues till tomorrow.
 
user1804599
Why are they crappy?
 
@rightfold I wrote it.
 
user1804599
Is it bad code?
 
9:30 AM
@rightfold Bad data/metadata.
 
user1804599
Ah, I see.
 
@MartinJames no beer on a Sunday imo, continuing doing the nothing is def the default though.
 
user1804599
Also fuck return new Response('404 Not Found', 404); everywhere.
 
There's no such thing as good code
 
user1804599
I really need to make a function that does that and renders a pretty page.
 
9:32 AM
I took the dogs for a bikeride with their pulling gear this morning
 
user1804599
And why is the authenticate function in the user repository.
 
user1804599
SRP. (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻)
 
@JohanLarsson You have a doge-powered bike?
 
Yea tried it for the first time today, they were like this about it.
think I should get a helmet
 
@JohanLarsson Awesome!! I gotta get something like that.
 
9:34 AM
you have a Labrador right?
 
@JohanLarsson Well, labradoodle. He's mostly lab except for the curly fur in places and the beard.
 
probably safer than two pointers and a setter
 
@JohanLarsson :)
 
breaking was a bit tricky cos they never saw a reason to break
 
Bailey pulls well and can eventually get up to an acceptable speed, but being heavy and mostly rear-leg drive, he suffers from bad oversteer in the corners and can easily spin out.
 
9:39 AM
the opposite in fact
 
Yeah, I can imagine, heh.
 
10:00 AM
Don't hold your breath, mate:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/23041303/how-to-make-a-macro-for-mouse-commands
 
user1804599
This question appears to be off-topic because Stack Overflow is not a code writing service. — rightfold 8 secs ago
 
oh wow, I'm famous. Someone quoted one of my SO answers in their slides for a gdc talk :D
 
10:20 AM
@jalf Prob. a copy/paste error :)
 
user1804599
Where can I find help for something like this? I don't mind paying for it — user3528710 1 min ago
 
user1804599
lol
 
Pay..?
 
admittedly, my SO answer in question is just a C++ standard quote, but what the heck, I'll take it :p
 
@rightfold I recommended you - good luck:)
 
user1804599
10:24 AM
I really don’t mind if I get 2k per hour.
 
user1804599
Even if it is horribly underspecified.
 
I'd easily do it for 1.9k / hour
 
user1804599
The more underspecified, the more hours it will take. :)
 
I like his wording: "I require"
 
Ooh! Lounge bidding war!
 
user1804599
10:25 AM
@ScarletAmaranth Flag it as offensive. :F
 
@rightfold Get the first day up front:)
I'm guessing that the OP wants some JavaScript shit, but who knows?
 
alright, I couldn't take his comments anymore; close-hammer'd
 
10:46 AM
TIL that there is a term for the differential of jerk. Aparrently, it's called 'jounce'.
 
11:08 AM
@MartinJames I see... let's apply off . integrate to jounce
 
Xeo
11:28 AM
@rightfold lol, someone apparently wants to write himself a bot.
Also, man, SO is slow for me today
 
12:07 PM
any touch expert is welcome to participate:
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Q: Where to implement tolerance to decide when to detect tochscreen press events and move events in Qt?

Johannes Schaub - litbI am interested to port applications that use a mouse based interface to a touchscreen based interface and I wonder how to best avoid mis-moves when a user with "large and wiggly" fingertips uses my applications If the user touches a certain location and his/her/its pulse or impatience causes th...

 
user1804599
 
Xeo
@JohannesSchaub-litb Ugh, fuck dealing with touch-anything. Such a PITA.
 
user1804599
Yum, a pita.
 
different standards I guess lol
 
12:19 PM
cleaning dat up right away
 
was it flagged?
 
12:44 PM
Ugh flatmates watching SPORTS and making weird noises
 
so your flat is like a sports pub basically?
 
user1804599
Go out or shut up.
 
user1804599
Time to reinstall operating system I think.
 
go for win and vs imo
 
user1804599
lolno
 
12:52 PM
Breaking news: SPORTS linked to brain damage
3
Thankfully I'll be free of that soon enough
 
Sports is like jazz, skilled people improvising. Less interesting though.
 
Coincidentally jazz sucks too
 
No.
You're plain wrong about that.
 
user1804599
If anything here sucks, it’s you yourself.
 
@CatPlusPlus name 5 things that do not suck
6
 
1:04 PM
maybe cat already answered []
 
Alcohol
 
food doesn't suck too, Cat++ has them everyday
if not multiple times daily
 
1:19 PM
@CatPlusPlus See my previous answers.
How much do you drink btw? How often and what quantities?
 
user1804599
1:37 PM
> Phasmatodea can be found all over the world in warmer zones, especially the tropics and subtropics.
 
user1804599
Actually, they cannot be found.
 
1:51 PM
holy grail
my head is spinning, spinning around
I won't drink alcohol ever again
 
Yeah right
 
@Jefffrey meatspin.com
man I love the music on that site
 
why
holy tits, how can I be drunk after 10+ hours of sleep
it's 4pm FFS
 
ITT noobs fail to alcohol
 
@Jefffrey Liver failure?
 
2:01 PM
thanks man, that helped
 
@JohanLarsson I wouldn't, but the logic is sound
 
@Jefffrey Here it says "Scientists have recently discovered that alcohol is absorbed into the fluid of the inner ear and stays there after it has gone from the blood and brain. Since the inner ear monitors balance, the presence of alcohol can be responsible for incorrect balance information and possibly spatial disorientation ..."
So, your inner ear is still drunk!
 
@DeadMG share some links?
 
@JohanLarsson I just did link to it.
 
@DeadMG maybe a NSFW tag would have been appropriate
inb4 no one works on sunday
 
2:12 PM
I have 50 minutes to get to the supermarket, do all my grocery shopping and find a chicken. Oh, and shower and get dressed and that. Yawn.
 
being stalking people again Tomalak?
 
@telkitty.exe Who is Tomalak?
 
Lightness
 
get dressed is for newbs
 
2:13 PM
^
 
I thought it was this user lol
Tomalak, Frankfurt, Germany
142k 22 207 334
 
That one is a fraud
 
lol
 
@HamZa it's lighty's sock puppet
wait
that doesn't make sense
 
Tomalak stalks pretty chicks on twitter, but has no courage to speak to them in real life, pity
 
2:15 PM
So Tomalak is that a real name or am I missing something?
@Jefffrey That would be an insult (inb4 php gold badge)
 
Also @LightnessRacesinOrbit sucks up at Staff here ... so sad. I guess if you don't have cat++ style skills, you have to suck up to get by
stupid people are stupid, I guess they didn't ask to be born dumb
 
@Jefffrey ehehehe
 
I feel deadmged
I just ate something and I feel sick
 
@Jefffrey shhh
 
2:21 PM
vector< pair<string, double[9]> >... what can possibly go wrong
> I am free to use c++11 or 12
 
dat C++12 man, it's fucking graet
 
2:59 PM
I mostly use C++13.
 
God
I was using ReSharper during the last two days
and then I went back to the C++ thing I was doing
 
mmm, my Ambient Occlusion needs MANY more samples : - /
@ThePhD ping
@StackedCrooked Pupipo is awesome man :) Nice story in 1 hour, epic.
 
@ScarletAmaranth yep I like it as well
pupipo is the shit
 
@StackedCrooked I think they have gone a little bit overboard with the "son" thing; other than that, awesome
 
Xeo
3:17 PM
Apropos anime, I need to watch the second episode of Mahouka
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Employ a PI. You will need a photo of the chicken and, if possible, a DNA sample.
Last known coop would also be useful.
Does the chicken have a criminal record?
Shit, I'm pissed....
 
3:38 PM
0
A: boost libraries size = 10.9GB?

seheThis is normal. It's big because you build all variants, and the intermediate files for all variants are kept (with all debug information). This is very helpful for incremental rebuilds with small changes (e.g. when doing development on a boost library), beause it will only build targets that ar...

 
@MartinJames chicken can steal jewelry ... but I have never heard of a chicken convicted of stealing valuable goods
 
@BartekBanachewicz I actually like going back to c++ after C# and/or Java side tasks...
 
@sehe it feels like living in a cave and eating raw food
 
Which is quite enjoyable, apparently, for the right kind of person
 
I thought I'll never go back to C++ after I understood how powerful and cool Haskell is
now I just assessed that the second time, after I understood how greatly R# helps you
the only benefit of using C++ right now are C++-only libraries (ha ha ha) and theoretical speed and memory usage gains
 
3:45 PM
also RAII
 
@DeadMG that's under "speed and memory usage gains"
 
it's not a speed or memory usage gain, it's a totally different approach to that execute-around bullshit.
 
other than that, I found using not that bad for connections et all
it's a bit annoying, but that's such a small annoyance compared to the alternative that I wouldn't hold for a second when choosing
 
@MartinJames He found it!
Under C++98/C++03, this is not even Undefined Behavior; the question itself is meaningless because the standard does not contemplate anything called a "thread". That's exactly what undefined behaviour is: operations for which the language defines no semantics. I do appreciate what you're saying and why you're saying it, but if we're really going to be language lawyers about it then the standard explicitly states that such "meaningless questions", that sit outside of the universe it knows about, give rise to undefined behaviour. That is the purpose of the phrase. — Lightness Races in Orbit 10 secs ago
 
Civ5 is so much fun.
 

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