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4:05 AM
I probably have one of the worst quad-core Haswells: i.stack.imgur.com/z7YzR.jpg
I swear there's no TIM between the die and the IHS.
And that's with water cooling.
 
@Mysticial They... messed up with that IIRC.
 
Yeah. I don't run this thing at 4.2 GHz. Too hot and unstable. 4 GHz is the most I'm willing to go.
 
@Mysticial I haven't OC'd yet. With a 4790k, not sure I need to. :P (I've only had this for a week, though)
 
^ was the 27 December 1991 Sydney thunderstorm, then it's the current/26th December Malaysia flooding
although when looking at the list of natural disasters‌​, only deadly tsunamis seem to correlate with this period
 
@hichris123 The 4790K is basically a vendor overclocked version of the 4770K with better TIM and voltage regulator.
So there isn't much headroom left.
 
4:18 AM
@Mysticial I've heard you can get it up to 4.5 or 4.6 GHz safely without water cooling. Not sure if it would really make a difference though.
 
It's limited by temperature and vcore.
@hichris123 Those hitting 4.5+ GHz probably aren't as stable as they think it is. And the "air cooling" might mean a 60dB fan.
Either way, 4.2 GHz -> 4.5 GHz can hardly be considered an overclock.
 
@Mysticial 300Mhz x8 cores, sure it is
 
@Borgleader The only reason they 5960X is stock 3.0 GHz is because of the TDP - 140W.
It's the same silicon as the 6-core variants that are clocked higher. But it's only the TDP that keeps Intel from clocking it higher.
Of course, overclocker motherboards are built to handle much higher TDP. So that chip is just begging to get overclocked.
 
Have they switched to 14 nm yet?
That should help with the TDP no?
 
Broadwell-E isn't coming out for a while.
Granted, I have no interested in Broadwell-E. I want the Skylake Xeon.
 
4:26 AM
Think Skylake will be out in mid 2015?
 
Not the Skylake Xeon.
Intel is holding back AVX512 for the Xeon.
 
Yeah, I know, but I'm thinking of building a new PC mid next year.
 
@Borgleader Yes.
 
And I'm hoping for a juicy new 6-8 core
 
You can get a 6-core Haswell for $350 now?
Though the DDR4...
 
4:29 AM
Yeah, I'm gonna wait a bit though.
 
DDR4 seems like a waste of money.
 
Its a little on the expensive side now, but it's supposed to be faster
 
I don't think it makes a difference for a good chunk of 99% consumers.
Most people settle for DDR3-1600 instead of going for DDR3-2166 or whatever because DDR3-1600 is good enough for everyone and not worth the extra cash.
 
I'm surprised it actually doesn't. Because the vast majority of code out there is not optimized and has terrible memory access. So you'd think that memory performance would matter more.
 
I can imagine the same concept being applied for DDR4.
 
4:33 AM
@Rapptz I couldn't even buy 2166 when I built my rig. It was all 2400+. And my 2400 ram had an XMP profile for 2666 which seems to work.
 
My 1866 DDR3 has XMP profiles for way higher but I assumed BIOS was just a little crazy lol
Actually I remember trying it but my PC kept restarting and I got worried.
Was an odd experience
 
When I was playing around with my rig, I did notice a 5% difference between 2166 and 2666 for my Pi program at 10 billion digits. But I think that might've also included a cache overclock from 3.0 GHz -> 3.75 GHz.
I'm not sure which one made the bigger difference.
 
@Mysticial What are you running there?
 
@Rapptz y-cruncher VST stress-test.
 
@Rapptz his y-cruncher folder is open
 
4:37 AM
I didn't dare run prime95 small FFTs.
 
Temps like that would stress me out lol
 
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 940 @2.93GHz 3.06 GHz. I feel kinda inadequate tonight:(
 
first gen?
 
yeah
 
I had an i3 1st gen before this CPU
I started feeling bad when my phone had better specs than my computer.
 
4:43 AM
@MartinJames If it makes you feel any better, I have this:
 
lol the old Core i7 logo
 
That one will do 4.2 GHz stable and 4.4 benchable. But the fan speed required to sustain it is far too loud.
 
:( Thanks guys.
 
I have a question about C++ mem mgt
 
@Rapptz That was my first "real" gaming machine. Good times.
 
4:45 AM
I have a class holding a pointer (it must be a pointer)
I create object of the class and insert it into vector<>
Every time it is inserted, the copy constructor is called, and a copy is placed into the vector, while the temporary one on the stack is destroyed by the destructor
 
@nhahtdh yes, and?
 
Since the pointer in the class points to some memory, I want it to be freed when the vector goes out of scope
 
you clearly don't understand RAII
 
Make the object move-only and free the pointer in the destructor of the object.
 
start there and things will start to make more sense
 
4:48 AM
However, placing free call in the destructor will cause problem, when the vector is returned from some function
The problem is I'm currently using C++03
 
then you're screwed
 
Oh, then you're just screwed. :)
 
~_~
 
and that's why I build with c++11
even on older compilers that barely support it
because most do support move... and it's so important
 
I'm still confused why I surpassed the 7.9 WIE thing.
Maybe Windows 8.1 has a higher max?
 
4:52 AM
7.9 is definitely the limit of Win7.
5.9 for Vista.
 
Is it 8.9 for Windows 8.1 then?
Or maybe 9.9..
 
maybe
 
lol, limited by the SSD.
 
@Rapptz "ChrisPC"?
 
4:53 AM
I found that to be ironic
 
@Rapptz is this not your pc?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Windows 8.1 doesn't have the Windows Experience Index so you have to download Freeware for the GUI.
From a company called "ChrisPC"
 
what a crappy company name
 
How crispy.
 
Indeed.
I'm not sure if I should buy Arma 3.
Apparently people treat its military sim aspect very seriously.
 
4:55 AM
meh
 
Well, it is a military sim.
 
I knew that going in.
When I further researched it though..
Super hardcore group of people lol.
A lot of groups have their own form of bootcamp.
And they teach you military lingo.
Talk about immersion.
 
Well, when you like milsim and you don't like paintball...
 
@MartinJames Vista? :p
You've reached the cap there!
 
4:59 AM
@Rapptz 'fraid so. Ultimate 64.
 
My experience index is 5.9 because I have a crap hard drive and that pulls everything down.
 
I didn't like Vista very much.
 
Lemme try to get WEI to work on my rig.
 
I remember one time the WEI shut off my PC because the CPU got too hot.
That was when I cleaned my fan.
 
5:02 AM
lol
 
Vista is actually the only Windows I liked.
I used 98 and XP before that.
It also allowed me to play Halo 2 :3
 
You dont like 7 ?
 
Probably never tried it.
 
Never got the chance to use it.
But I really never got the Vista hate.
 
@Jefffrey Me neither
 
5:05 AM
 
@Jefffrey Personally, the biggest issue I had with it was that everything caused a UAC prompt.
I turned it off because it was very annoying.
Also my first experience with Vista was with a laptop.
And it drained battery and Aero could barely run.
And let's not forget how 80% of my software didn't work.
The change from XP -> Vista broke the most software out of any Windows upgrade I've ever done.
 
@Jefffrey Were you there when Shog9 ownered you?
 
Oh yeah.
He didn't even answer my question.
 
@Borgleader If by "ownered" you mean kicked, then yes.
I even took a picture in the 60 seconds I was out.
 
No he made you a room owner.
 
5:11 AM
 
See
 
wait wat
lol
 
He didn't even say why!
 
No I wasn't there.
I didn't even notice up until now.
 
@Rapptz Yes he did, so he could kick people if need be
 
5:12 AM
ic
That is very random.
 
2 hours ago, by Shog9
It appears that @Jefffrey was around; anyone object to him being a room owner on the condition that he kicks people in lieu of arguing with them when he's around?
 
I just noticed there were many pings too.
yeah
 
Yeah he didn't explain that.
Around for what?
 
Kicking bjb? Really?
 
5:14 AM
Well he did stir shit up for a while
would have been quicker to just kick him
 
3 hours ago, by Shog9
It appears that @Jefffrey was around; anyone object to him being a room owner on the condition that he kicks people in lieu of arguing with them when he's around?
 
Already posted.
 
@Jefffrey i just linked that :P
 
There were many people around. How is me any more relevant?
 
iunno
 
5:15 AM
Many youre the only one he recognized as a regular?
 
lol
 
I didn't think bjb was even that bad.
 
I mostly ignored him.
 
and unlike others present youre not on his troublemaker list (afaik)
 
I called him "blowjob" once I think, but that was it.
 
5:16 AM
Let's play a game.
Can the topic have markdown in it?
Let's find out
Any bets? Yes/No/Maybe?
 
Well, another life changing goal was achieved. Yay for me.
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Read The Rules [c++] [c++11] [c++14] [c++-faq]
lol
so stupid
 
lol
 
such fail
 
I swear I was going to say no.
 
5:18 AM
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Read The Rules: loungecpp.net/the-law/newbie-hints.html [c++] [c++11] [c++14] [c++-faq]
 
Do I get the red fish?
 
I just remembered Shog was funposting about the topic.
Figured might as well.
 
@Rapptz Next time we can use that as an excuse for not using it for "useful purposes"
 
We've joined the "rules URL in topic" group.
Anyway @Jefffrey I'll add you back as owner after everyone discusses it or whatever.
 
Nah, I don't want the ownership. Thanks anyway.
 
5:25 AM
It's practice for this room to do room owners based on some kind of.. "democratic" process or something.
If ya say so.
 
I know, I know.
 
All it takes is two pins!
 
Don't worry, I'm fine, thanks. :D
 
This room is slowly making me more jaded.
 
eh
 
5:27 AM
I actually learned most of my C++ from this room.
 
jad·ed
ˈjādəd/
adjective
tired, bored, or **lacking enthusiasm**, typically after having had too much of something.
 
we know what jaded means
 
You sure?
Here it is again
Adjective: jaded (comparative more jaded, superlative most jaded)
  1. Worn out, wearied, exhausted or lacking enthusiasm, due to age or experience.
Verb: jaded
  1. simple past tense and past participle of jade
 
I actually learned most of my cynicism from this room.
6
 
I'm going to name my daughter Jade and so should all of you.
 
5:30 AM
Why would I name your daughter
 
lol
 
Whenever I write documentation I feel like I should pay someone else to do this for me but then I know it wouldn't even be good.
 
The pay?
 
Documentation is never good.
 
The result.
 
5:31 AM
Writing documentation attracts users
I wouldn't want that
 
> The Snapdragon CPU inside many of your devices is faster than the number one supercomputer in the world in 1996!
lol
Good pitch
Is this OUYA 2.0, Another King of Consoles?
 
I don't think anything will be as bad as the Ouya.
 
Android already supports keyboard and mouse so I'm not sure what the goals are here
 
5:37 AM
Not like there aren't docking stations for phones either
 
@Borgleader Who is Shog9?
@CatPlusPlus Get money from gullible people?
 
@VáclavZeman A mod
 
A SE employee.
 
'Shoggy'
 
yet another show I miss
 
5:40 AM
@Rapptz I see.
 
@Borgleader Community.
 
Yes, that show is awesome
 
@Borgleader This is funny and not funny at the same time.
 
<3 Dean
 
yo
 
5:48 AM
> Are you in the Plinket family?
 
@Shog9 Mod tools to empower people to improve lives! \o/
 
10k only :(
 
wait wat
 
not a valid page
 
5:54 AM
if you click on the author of this answer, you get a 404
wat
I got to that answer from blowjob's profile
 
6:05 AM
what would you do with $100k?
 
Buy more money
 
Probably reinvest them, yeah.
You need money to make money, so that would be a good start.
 
6:31 AM
I'd pay off my (small) studying debt, put 80% of the rest away in some long-term investment and use 20% to improve my QoL
 
I don't get studying debts.
 
I wouldn't either if I had a job
 
University here costs less than €700 a year
 
Similar
 
@orlp I meant that "I don't understand"
 
6:38 AM
That doesn't make housing and food free though
 
Like in USA, IIRC, you get a huge debt at the end of your student career, and then you spend the first few working years paying that back.
 
@Jefffrey In europe studying debts are small and come from not earning (enough) for your living costs
in the USA they're huge because the studies are incredibly expensive and not subsidized
 
With the amount of endowments that public universities get, tuition should be free but it isn't.
Not to mention FAFSA grants.
But alas, they're not free because it's a good way to make money.
Simple as that.
People are willing to pay for it so there's no reason to make it free.
 
@Rapptz Except there is.
Your economy is healthier if your population is better educated.
 
The economy here is already healthy and we have high graduation rates.
 
6:42 AM
?
Your economy is healthy for the 1%
 
I'm not sure you're talking economics.
Are you talking micro or macro economics?
I assumed you meant macroeconomics and the entire country's output of GDP etc.
 
Both.
 
The economy here is not awful in either direction so I'm not sure what your point is here.
 
Investing into education increases both standards of living for people that are not in the 1%, as well as the total GDP
I never claimed that your economy was unhealthy
 
I don't quite follow. The standard of living for people not in the 1% is fine.
 
6:44 AM
I'm just saying it would be better if you subsidize education*
 
What are your definitions for "good standard of living"?
99% of the people here aren't dirt poor.
 
@Rapptz It's subjective and hard to define.
 
Then I don't quite follow.
 
But I never said "good standard of living"
I said "better"
 
Universities will not make things free because of standard of living. They produce money through students willing to pay or not.
That's how people end up in debt.
The fact that there is a demand for degrees means that people are willing to pay.
Those in debt technically already paid the Universities. They owe the debt to someone else.
 
6:47 AM
That's why as a government it's a good idea to give high subsidies to universities under the agreement they're only allowed to charge a fixed tuition.
 
The state government already funds public universities.
I mentioned earlier that they do receive a good chunk of endowments to the point where it's feasible to make education free.
But they obviously won't because they make money through this education system.
It's all greed. Nothing more.
 
> only allowed to charge a fixed tuition
 
Do you think tuition changes dynamically every semester?
 
I mean that the government sets the tuition
not the university
For-profit education only increases the income disparity.
 
Universities are technically non-profit.
 
6:49 AM
Then the technicalities need to change.
Because they're clearly not.
 
Well I wouldn't say "technically".
The term "for profit education" refers to a different group of universities entirely.
Those whose only purpose is to make money through printing diplomas.
Which do exist and are way worse.
 
Privatize everything except military and medical services.
 
I don't know if C++ makes me happy because I program all day with a straight face, yet I cannot seem to leave my VS alone.
Perhaps my dreams are unclear; I do not know what is possible yet.
 
Documentation is very demotivating.
Gonna go play vidya.
 
@Jefffrey I strongly believe that privatized education is a terrible, terrible idea.
 
6:53 AM
It is.
 
@orlp How so?
 
I do not believe in that everyone is equal like communism.
But I strongly believe in equal opportunity.
Gating knowledge behind money makes the rich richer, and the poor poorer.
 
@orlp I see your point
 
And there's nothing you can do about it if you're stuck in the system, not any of the "american dream" bullshit.
 
listens to Tycho and keeps programming
 
6:56 AM
By the time you're supposed to be learning you can't afford it simply because you haven't been given the opportunity to earn your place in society.
 
@orlp: Good point...maybe there is a way around this?
 
@DonLarynx Subsidized education that prohibits capitalism in education.
 
AKA student loans?
 
No
Loaning is NOT subsidizing
 
Capitalism is a good thing IMO.
 
6:57 AM
subsidize education for specialized labor?
 
@DonLarynx Do you know what subsidize means?
 
support financially.
 
It generally improves efficiency and quality of services as opposed to state-owned agencies.
At least in Italy.
 
@Jefffrey In some areas of society yes, but it's incredibly bad for a couple of areas.
Capitalism doesn't work for infrastructure, healthcare, education among others.
 
I'm not sure education is one of them, but your point is a good one.
 

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