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9:00 PM
@rightføld You passed out and turned to the uncarved block. That's a good start
@CatPlusPlus I know about "something awful" forums
@TemplateRex wow. Where did you learn this (I have a vague anticipation that it might be on hinnant's site)
 
@sehe I did some archeology on open-std.org
 
It does explain some of the madness.
 
@Rapptz Let me put it another way: we use std::array<int, 42>, not std::array<int[42]>. So why should we use std::function<Ret(Args...)> and not std::function<Ret, Args...>?
 
Strangely, boost::dynamic_bitset is not much better (and of course not interface compatible - even if it looks like it is it behaves differently)
 
and found Chuck Allison's old columns here (he was the author of bitset, as well as Boost.DynamicBitset with Jeremy Siek later)
 
9:04 PM
I'll have to yell at my ISP or something what is going on with these connections
 
@sehe early bitset proposals are N0075, N0128 and N0220, explicit came with N0624, bool with N0350
it's really fascinating to read all that stuff, how they voted e.g., in those days votes would be 6 in favor 0 abstain, 0 against
no wonder they made progress
 
Yowzers. So, who ever used bitset? Is it an animal of the same fate as valarray, maybe?
 
Ell
I love this sketch about gay weddings so much: youtube.com/watch?v=rtgY1q0J_TQ
3
 
@TemplateRex How do explain that they are still making heaps of progress?
 
@sehe to the contrary, bitset was very much in demand (mostly from C people I guess)
 
9:08 PM
C++ is standardised in a game of Nomic
 
@LucDanton You can tell at a glance what the 42 means, it's an integral constant.
The other is a type list.
So it looks weird at first glance.
 
Do tuples look weird to you?
 
@sehe fun quote from Allison: "At the close of the third meeting in July 1990 the Library Working Group emerged with more specific direction: 1) standardize the stream classes, 2) define mechanisms to support language features such as the new and delete operators and exceptions,"
"3) define the relationship between the standard C library and the C++ library, and 4) define a standard string class. Working group members sometimes call this list the "Blood in the Streets Manifesto" to indicate what might happen if we fail."
 
To give an indication of bitset popularity: "in June 1991 I volunteered to review the libraries which a number of vendors had submitted to the committee. All submissions offered at least one string class and a number of container classes, such as lists, vectors, queues, stacks, and sets. Many vendors' libraries also supported bit sets."
 
Ell
9:11 PM
@TemplateRex this is really interesting
 
@Ell lol
@TemplateRex keyword: "was", notable property: tense
 
@sehe well, I side with Hinnant on the usefulness of a proper bitarray
 
@LucDanton tuples look weird at me
@TemplateRex which side is that (lemme guess: it's very useful)
 
I've used bitset to convert numbers to base 2
 
We are making a network configuration change to the database backend - there may be a minor blip in services.
Network change complete.
 
9:13 PM
And p much only that
lol those notifications
 
@Ell I find historical decision making processes quite interesting, e.g. Design & Evolution of C++ by Bjarne is a great book
 
@CatPlusPlus Hey it’s customizable enough to almost support base 1, too.
 
@LucDanton They express something different.
 
@CatPlusPlus perfect use of the language
 
std::function<int, int, int> looks weird
because it's supposed to express a function
 
9:15 PM
@TemplateRex well. They were birthing c++98
 
and the only comma separated thing in a function are its parameters
 
You're too attached to the function syntax
 
@Rapptz Array don’t even use commas.
 
Like I said :v
they express different things to me
that's just how I see it
 
@CatPlusPlus there may be a minor gap in service notifications
 
9:16 PM
What does it even mean? @Rapptz
 
@sehe I think I read from Stepanov somewhere that he almost had to cry when Stroustrup eliminated 2/3 of this original STL proposal, I never found the original implementation, but I guess it contained much of the iota/heap kinda algorithms that were added in C++11
 
to me that says a function that returns three different things, which makes no sense really so I must be wrong
 
@Rapptz That’s fine. I’m poking around to get to understand your internal logic. To see how you see.
 
@Ell Damn Youtube's video quality definitely has increased much over the past few years. So sharp.
 
C# has Func<Arg1, Arg2, ..., Ret>
 
9:17 PM
@CatPlusPlus you mean, to print them in base 2
 
@TemplateRex Yes
 
Mmm. Does std::function<auto() -> void> work in c++1y?
 
@CatPlusPlus they were already in base 2 ;-)
 
you don't know that
 
@CatPlusPlus I thought it was Func<Ret, Args...>?
 
9:18 PM
@Puppy No, result is the last one
 
ah well, mine were all string string string anyway
 
PCIe SSD Install on SQL Server 2 is happening now, but we won't be switching over to it during the burn-in trial on the primary.
 
@sehe that should be illegal, trips me up
 
Agreed :) Still, fun thought
 
@sehe what is it even supposed to mean?
and why the -> void and not just plain auto()
 
9:20 PM
@Rapptz How would you feel about a whatever_ptr<T*> (that would really hold a T)?
^an actual mistake that appears sometimes
 
Ell
my java method thing uses <Ret, Args...> because I totally forgot about the real syntax
 
@TemplateRex Placeholder return types can only appear in so many places.
 
@LucDanton let's propose function<...> for any callable object whatsoever
 
@GABeech @Nick_Craver we're noting some sub-minute gaps in the steady stream of Feeds chat notifications. I hope this is normal :)
 
call 'em universal functions, let Herb rename it to forwarding function
 
user1804599
9:23 PM
Eight LLVM instructions to create a Boolean. :v gist.github.com/rightfold/84093dc566136313fa59
 
@TemplateRex s/void/int/
@Ell <Ret, Args...> is real syntax
 
Ell
I forgot that you could do <Ret(Args...)>
 
@TemplateRex come come, no need to be so bitter
 
@rightføld Wouldn't worry about it. LLVM IR isn't exactly intended for human consumption.
 
Installed http://t.co/qh3BjNF1bH
 
user1804599
9:25 PM
@Puppy Yeah, I know. :P
 
and each instruction is pretty light
 
the D folks are busy implementing C++ compatibility and they currently have namespaces and template mangling working, working on exceptions
 
user1804599
And in the end I'll load the Booleans from a pool anyway.
 
@Feeds Phew. I was starting to get really worried
 
user1804599
It's silly to allocate an object every time a Boolean literal is evaluated.
 
9:25 PM
@TemplateRex awwww, they have namespaces and template mangling! How cute.
 
@TemplateRex pretty soon, they'll make Wide obsolete!
 
@FredOverflow I wish was an audio filter to remove the annoying "peep" sound. (Not sure what the word is.)
 
@StackedCrooked Plink.
 
@Puppy with Andrei and his multi MLOC codebase at Facebook, this will be pretty big
 
hah yeah
 
9:26 PM
I don't think it's plink. It's a continuous high pitched sound.
 
@sehe I'm a bit-twiddler, not bitter ;-)
 
call me up when they can use std::vector<T>
 
@StackedCrooked it's microphone feedback
 
Ell
@sehe that's gotta hurt
 
@Puppy they can, it's not published yet, but Walter Bright and Andrei gave interviews at CppCon (see reddit)
 
9:27 PM
@sehe Oh, of course. Silly me.
Some asshole is not using headphones.
 
user1804599
Shit.
 
user1804599
I committed the JVM crash dumps.
 
Ell
@StackedCrooked I like the "boing" they use on other sites
 
@TemplateRex You know, that entails a great deal more than the features you just named.
 
@StackedCrooked And yes, since (apparently) the source is fixed distance (making the feedback wavelenght -> pitch ~constant) it's just a notch filter away :)
 
9:29 PM
@Puppy I don't know all the details, since there is no code yet, but it's not the hourglass C API that DuToit was talking about
 
Ell
R. Masturbinho Fernandez
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I just realised this ^
 
@sehe I thought there was something on SO regarding this but it’s hard to track.
 
Slow down with the thinking or you'll catch fire
 
@LucDanton Hush! We don't wanna wake up LRIO about things that are "ungoogleable"
 
just watching Andrew Sutton talk at CppCon, he doesn't seem like a nice guy, somewhat uppity
 
9:33 PM
@Ell You have weird fantasy. Then again, ~1h back, I was wondering whether this profile pic was inappropriate:
 
@Borgleader that's...
actually kinda cool
 
@sehe What exactly did you think it was?
 
@AlexM. rip your sense of cool
 
@Loopunroller scantily-clad lady with a prominent rear-end facing the viewer and a hat (potentially wielding a pool cue, but somehow in the outdoors)
 
@sehe Ah, makes sense
 
9:35 PM
lol
 
Now that i think of it
 
@sehe you must have had quite some surprises in bars when you were not wearing your glasses
 
@Loopunroller I think you noticed before I'm not very good at avatars
 
@sehe :D
 
@TemplateRex What makes you think I frequent bars?
 
9:35 PM
@sehe How can I express my love for you?
 
@sehe You're still here
 
@Loopunroller Not by buying me a beer :)
@CatPlusPlus Precisely
 
@sehe apparently you have scantilly clad ladies on your mind, but if pornhub is your thing, that's cool too on a saturday night
 
I'm not the only one though:
yesterday, by aclarke
careful, that bear which looks like a gorilla head deletes q's...
Oct 19 '13 at 10:54, by nightcracker
why do I always think sehe's avatar is a white gorilla
 
@sehe yeah I made the same mistake
 
9:37 PM
It's all sbi's fault
 
I thought sbi's avatar was a gorilla too
 
@CatPlusPlus exactly
 
then I realized it was really a gorilla
 
grumpy ape and bear
 
sehe's avatar also seemed like something else to me when I first saw it, but I'm unsure what that was
it was certainly not a gorilla though
 
9:38 PM
too bad they have non-overlapping habitats, would give nice youtube clips of them duking it out
 
@TemplateRex I have no idea what DuToit or Hourglass C API is.
 
17 hours ago, by Borgleader
user image
im not sure if you saw this
 
@Puppy hourglass: first you squeeze everything into C API (char* instead of string, T* instead of vector etc.) , then you unwrap evertyhing again on the receiving end
 
meh.
 
9:40 PM
I see everything in the CppCon link on the right side and there's nothing in there about C++ interop
 
Guys its already on the starboard, star the original :P
 
in C#, Nov 22 '12 at 12:27, by Sean
@sehe Is your profile picture a reference to Jonathan Coulton's 'Code Monkey'?
There was someone else in C# too. But I don't wanna look for it any longer
 
Is my answer here correct?
 
@Borgleader ah. it was too funny for me to remember that. Good call
 
How about concepts::ValidInvokation<Ret, Functor, Args...> or similar?
 
9:43 PM
@Puppy it's basically: stick to the LCD for the actual interface
 
@sehe which is C
 
@TemplateRex I think that's old as the world and applies to all languages with C interop
@TemplateRex or worse, a subset thereof
 
@sehe yes, so D getting more or less full C++ interop. would be quite big
 
@TemplateRex She wants that!
 
@TemplateRex Only good feature ;)
 
9:44 PM
> The Flower Shop is a dating and farming simulation game.
the two always go well together
 
@LucDanton :D It will take ~10 years for people to unlearn ye olde TMP workarounds
 
Might as well start early.
 
s/10/100/
 
@LucDanton I intend to.
 
sbi
9:46 PM
@thecoshman What's that good for? Well, OK, I'll do it:
Would you explain this some other time?
 
so much for crocodiles
 
sbi
You happy now, pirate?
 
For any brits
I did for a moment think it said fruitcakes. http://t.co/WXXg7lXmDN
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus Why would this be a fault?
 
wtf is this? 1>c:\(path)\consoleapplication1.cpp(3): warning C4627: '#include <iostream>': skipped when looking for precompiled header use
 
9:50 PM
It's you being bad at MSVC
 
sbi
@AlexM. What do you mean, "a gorilla, too"? Who else has a gorilla avatar around here?
 
damn precompiled headers
 
@sbi Dunno, I already forgot what that joke was about
 
@sbi sehe
 
sbi
You have the attention span of a common house @cat.
 
9:50 PM
if you look from a distance
bowed head of a bear has gorilla shape
 
sbi
@TemplateRex Are you living in an alternative universe?
 
I don't think common houses have any attention span, really
 
@sbi no, sehe is, he things teddy bears are bare-arsed ladies giving head
 
user1804599
Hurray! val result = builder.buildΦ(llvm.pointerType(llvmType(ifExpression.`type`)), Map(thenObjectPtr -> thenFinalBlock, elseObjectPtr -> elseFinalBlock))
 
user1804599
I can now compile if expressions. :3
 
sbi
9:53 PM
@TemplateRex Does he now? Well, actually I'm more interested in what he thinks. But that might just be me.
 
@CatPlusPlus back-pedal cat
@TemplateRex decorating the story a bit, there
 
We’re headed out - maintenance complete. Enjoy your Saturday!
 
@sehe it's a minor leap given that you mentally undressed it already
 
inb4 outages
@TemplateRex in fairness, it wasn't an overly dressed Teddy bear to begin with
 
sbi
@TemplateRex He undressed a teddy bear?
 
9:56 PM
@ScottW geez, my avatar was living way before Adam and Eve, you fucking creationist
 
sbi
@TemplateRex TBH, your avatar looks like a Richard with teeth.
 
that hash paper is super interesting.
 
@sbi "a Richard"?
 
@Puppy hinnant's?
 
@sbi now that you mention it, there was this other guy
with a white gorilla as avatar
 
9:57 PM
@sehe yeah.
 
sbi
@TemplateRex "Dick"?
 
forgot the name
 
I truly suck at C++, I have no idea what is going on.
 
@Puppy It is, indeed
 
@AlexM. it was cicada, back when he was called "Precious Little Snowflek" or something
 
sbi
9:57 PM
@AlexM. He wasn't a gorilla, though, was he?
 
@sehe and Google was not in favor of it, makes it too easy to swap in bad hash algorithms
 
@Borgleader that, but also someone else. gnzlbug? Nah. Someone with similar visit frequency though
@TemplateRex lol. dat argument
 
sbi
@corvid You're not supposed to suck on it to make it work. You're supposed to write code in it.
 
user1804599
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A: What is the best comment in source code you have ever encountered?

Tom Ritter //Code sanitized to protect the foolish. using System; using System.Collections.Generic; using System.Text; using System.Reflection; using System.Web.UI; namespace Mobile.Web.Control { /// <summary> /// Class used to work around Richard being a fucking idiot /// </summary> /// <...

 
@sehe well, Google has 4K-ish C++ programmers, and they all need nannies and a hefty style guide in order not to mess things up
 
9:59 PM
that's why they have architects prepare the style guides and give uppity talks about how they perform code reviews really well
 

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