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04:02
:14266954 s/  /\/r/g
errr
I manage to break the something again
04:15
@Borgleader Damn. It took me time to code that solution. :(
@MarkGarcia Why damn? You got an upvote and an accept
@Borgleader Fair enough. :)
04:31
@Nican Must continue for format for anybody still using a VIC 20.
It's probably for RMS.
Haha.
@Rapptz Can't be. Composite video is measured peak to peak, not RMS (originally 1.4 V P-P but noways usually 1V P-P).
I was looking at this survey from May 2012 and was confused about the vector<vector<string>> tidbit.
Oh wait I get it.
>> instead of > >
@Rapptz Is that the survey from Dr. Dobb's?
04:40
nop, /r/cpp
I should use CRTP instead of virtual methods.
Well you can't always replace virtual methods by CRTP
right?
@Rapptz Or Sean Parent's technique.
@Borgleader I can.
It's actually pretty easy.
don't know of a situation which I can't
could you give me one?
Ok, say I have objects in a scene. And these objects have surround shapes for culling. I can either have an Axis-Aligned Bounding Box, Bounding Box, or a Sphere, these all derive from CullingShape and and override the method bool isVisible(ViewFrustum frustum); I want to be able to treat each of these through their common interface (Imagine I have some sort of tree representing the scene and I'm iterating over it to see which objects are culled and which I should render)
off the top of my head the only thing I can't replace is actual dynamic polymorphism, e.g. std::unique_ptr<Base> x(new(std::nothrow) Derived())
04:57
cygwin cant handle file paths correctly
@Borgleader you can when you know the most derived type at compile time. If not...
yup
@MooingDuck See the example I posted. Assume the tree stores std::unique_ptr<CullingShape>
I just said it's not possible
that's dynamic polymorphism, this is static. It's not really a "virtual function" thing.
I don't see why you would use virtual functions if not in a dynamic polymorphism setting =/
05:06
@MooingDuck -- well I tried :)
@Borgleader Common interfaces.
too lazy to make an example
 
2 hours later…
06:52
I'm kind of tired.
While you troll on empty waters, I'm going to go sleep.
Have fun.
07:11
@ArneMertz plz dont feed the troll
@Borgleader but he looked so hungry and alone, poor thing.
he left anyways
Too Fat
Too Fly
I CAN HAZ THE GARBAGES
07:28
yes you can, yes you can ...
07:42
C++ is an old stupid language
Hey guys
Is everyone still sleeping?
seems so
gonna go downstairs, third coffee...
#caffeinedrivendevelopment =)
@sudorm-rfTelkitty oh finally you posted something cool
Hello
could anyone please resolve this stackoverflow.com/questions/21259186
anyone alive?!!
@vjain419 Most C++ programmers rather dislike macros. The resolution for long, complex variadic macros is usually to eliminate them.
okay..but my requirement is like that.. i need function/macro with variable argument..
eg. my_macro(1,3) , my_macro(1,2,3,4)
@vjain419 If you're writing C++, you probably want a variadic function template.
08:08
in both case i need to write all arguments to some specific address.
i am writing C.. not cpp..i am working on Hardware programming..
@vjain419 ok man, have a downvote
but thougth CPP guys may know the solution..
@vjain419 So why would you ask questions that can't use C++ in a C++ chat room?
@vjain419 ...
Okay i am sorry for troubling you guys...
08:11
@vjain419 Yes, we do. C is the problem. C++ is the (or at least "a") solution.
4
please let me know if anyone has solution for this...
@vjain419 there's an accepted answer on that question
@vjain419 someone has a solution for this. Now you know.
@doug65536 i think i shared wrong question! sorry stackoverflow.com/questions/21326523
@vjain419 You (or the macros, anyway) seem to be going from bad to worse...
08:15
@ArneMertz sorry..can you check latest share question
Anyhow, I think I need to go get some sleep. Talk to y'all later.
@JerryCoffin i am not expert in C i am Hardware guy..I need help of you guys
user3010322
@JerryCoffin Niiight.
@JerryCoffin Good night..!!
@ArneMertz @doug65536 ?? waiting for your response
@vjain419 to spare the C++ people the off-topic discussion, I created a separate room
user1804599
08:22
@vjain419 You are out of luck.
user1804599
Get out.
@vjain419 Hardware is hard enough. Why do you insist in making yourself suffer even more with C?
@Griwes :D because there is requirement where hardware and C meets ;)
Whooppity whoopy a C programmer
@vjain419 Eh what?
08:25
Where did you find him?
He found us.
They're really strange species.
Did he come here looking for food?
./lounge --engage-cloaking-device
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah. Even stranger than functional programmers.
And that's quite an achievement.
08:27
@Griwes s/functional/fictional/ har har har
lol
I shouldn't joke though, Bartek is better at this programming thing than I am
Co-routines were popular in the previous century. Thoroughly outmoded when processors with multiple cores became common. Unless this is for academic interest, do take advantage of threads and avoid the horror of setjmp(). — Hans Passant Nov 1 '11 at 23:52
^ LOL
You gotta love a dated opinion
What the
He's talking about C-coroutines not coroutines
08:29
So who else is feeling really really shitty right now
Note how everything with C- in front is way crappier
@sehe People will believe him because of his huge e-peen rep
@Cat I've talked about game design while drinking up to 2am. Go figure.
@CatPlusPlus Probable @DeadMG
I haven't slept a bit and now I'm drinking champagne
go figure
08:30
Like, c-casts, c-arrays
Basically C stands for Crappy
Anyway I'm torn apart over this fucking MSc and it's killing me
@BartekBanachewicz C-section
C++ is crappy++
It shouldn't, because it's silly nonsense, but there you go
Which would be about right
@cat fuck it what the hell
08:31
@Borgleader He's usually spot on, but his "microsoft bias" showed there. Also, he didn't see async/await coming in C# and C++
@CatPlusPlus You are doubting whether to accept your accreditation?
I'm doubting myself
@sehe There was M$ bias in that comment o.o I uh... missed it?
Everyone is like "go do MSc" and I'm entirely against it
@CatPlusPlus go do MSc
Yeah the "con" is its fucking and utter waste of time
user3010322
08:33
Master in Science, for what?
It's supposedly A Big Deal (tm), but if it is, then I need to be able to trust myself and not live on someone else's choices, right?
#friday
Wonderful life
user3010322
What is MSc? u.u
08:35
Master's degree
user3010322
Wat Subject?
The same as first one, but then again that's least important thing
user3010322
3 year program?
@Feeds And then, we used to have vineyards in Poland. Also we used to have taverns standing in the middle of the Baltic Sea. Looking back only to '70s makes no sense :F
08:37
But seriously fuck winter
@JBL: thank you for your commment, but first of all, what's good for C is good for C++ (it's the other direction which is not necessarily true). Second, memcpy's undefined behavior is only when the source and destination buffers overlap, which is obviously not the case in OP's question. — barak manos 3 mins ago
"whats good for C is good for C++" spoken like a true C programmer
morning
how's Cat?
morning chaps
user3010322
Morning Lion, Pirate.
08:42
@CatPlusPlus geta jumper vOv
@CatPlusPlus try a non shitty uni in a non shitty country
@thecoshman Two oxymorons in a single sentence, congratulations!
ergh ¬_¬ not another one of those "I had a bad experience doing X so everything to do with X must be bad" people
@ThePhD hi
@ThePhD morning derp, morning @Tony
Hey guys! What time is it??
08:49
@Xeo lol
Potato waffle making time ...
where do I downvote c++? — dirk Feb 2 '12 at 7:13
Anyone know a good bare bones domain registrar? I think I wanna set up a vanity site using the Amazon AWS free tier.
@Borgleader noh. there's a close-mindedness present in that comment, that I easily connect to the fact that I know that Hans Passant is probably the most reputed C++/CLI, (D)COM(+) guru at this moment.
Looking at namecheap.com but like all the registrars it feels so scammy.
08:52
@sehe That accepted answer has some interesting score.
@Potatoswatter I got mine through ovh, seems reasonable to me.
lol, vote to delete
@sehe his name reminds me of a chess move
@thecoshman What service? I don't see domain registry there, only hosting.
@Potatoswatter Time for a wank :P
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08:56
@Potatoswatter I registered mine there... let me take a lookski
@TonyTheLion I heard you got fingerprinted. What crime did you commit this time?
@Potatoswatter They register domains too
@Potatoswatter it's right there on the fucking home page (for the .ie at least)
@sudorm-rfTelkitty nah, too long.
08:57
€6.99 for a .com
@Borgleader I wonder how Lion taming works. Looks like the Lion could easily attack the guy in the picture, on the other hand the guy seems to have things under control.
Hmm, I'm on the /us site and it seems to be missing.
oooh :( youstupidfuck.com is taken
user1804599
@sehe lol.
user1804599
Why does TeamCity spawn a million org.apache.catalina.startup.Bootstrap processes?
09:00
@TonyTheLion such a shame the star board does not show that that was a response :P
@Potatoswatter spudbeat.com?
@thecoshman No I think it's better like this.
@thecoshman Sounds violent.
@StackedCrooked ... erm
interesting fu.se is free
@thecoshman It was not obv =/
09:03
@thecoshman lol
09:29
Pisa tower is like software design. Crappy design, that is :)
> Laborers tried to compensate by making the columns and arches of the third story on the sinking northern side slightly taller.
noobs :p
09:45
had pizza @ Pisa ... italian pizza = tasty ... at least the couple I had was great
Was it a big piece?
whole pizza ... similar price to here, but the place I went to was quite touristy
Italians seem to be rather abusive when it comes to over charging tourists.
09:48
you in Italy?
It's like they have to prices, one for regular chumps, and a cheaper one for those who ask demand it in italian
@TonyTheLion no... but I've been
How could you!
Someone mentioned Eric Lippert had Haskell tutorials. Was it just for Monads?
erm... I travelled by plane?
morning
09:50
Morning Jeff-fa-fa
@Borgleader: Citation needed. — Kerrek SB 6 mins ago
He's probably trying to point out something wrong in what I said but I can't figure out what it is =/
EBCDIC is what he's trying to point out :S
(ugh)
p=(++i) | (++i); is this undefined behaviour? if not how is the o/p=2 for i=0;
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well sorry but TIL this exists =/
@blackbee Yes
09:54
oops.
> "Let's not adapt the language to fix human ignorance" -- Unfortunately, most programmers are human.
This guy really nailed it
I'm talking about ignorance, he is talking about humans
@Jefffrey Judging by SO standards, I'd say that there's a lot of programmers out there not knowing that difference
@Jefffrey unfortunately humans make mistakes and can forget to type & after auto
@Abyx aaand the point is?
> programmers
. <---- the point
^ can you see it?
10:00
old :P
@Jefffrey I like bames's reply.
@TonyTheLion programmers are not 14 yo kids playing around with bbcode, javascript and html not having the will to read a fucking book on the language first
@Abyx FWIW, they can also forget to type auto after (
@Jefffrey Have you looked at any SO questions lately? That's what it looks like judging from those.
10:03
@TonyTheLion yeah, my point is that those cannot be called programmers
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah, he is the good guy
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Maximum DeadMG, Mininum Tony The Lion [c++] [c++11] [c++1y] [no-helpdesk] [no-questions]
touché
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why is there an icon of what looks to be the Loch Ness monster?
10:05
@Borgleader Because Loch Ness is in Scotland.
Oh I thought there was a deeper relevance that I was missing =/
Like No true scotsman believe in the Loch Ness monster or something.
hey that website lists the tools I use to win arguments I've already lost
n3853 has a link to TVTropes in it
damnit
and gives inspirations for more
it's awesome
10:10
morning
morning
anything interesting up? :)
clouds can be fairly funky I guess vOv
damn it, why do I always forget the fallacy fallacy >.<
anytime some one uses that site on me, I can just use that one right back at them :P
Yay, game day tomorrow.
> It's important to note that this fallacy should not be used to dismiss the claims of experts, or scientific consensus. - appeal to authority
@R.MartinhoFernandes ?
10:15
@TonyTheLion Really? hahahaha
oh, board games?
Yeah.
Playing BSG again.
@thecoshman I'm not sure I get it. Is it: "You were wrong in saying X, and automatically this means Y"? or rather using a fault in your "adversary"'s argumentation to justify your own claim?
@R.MartinhoFernandes at the bottom
@thecoshman Erm, the fallacy fallacy cannot be used to validate your arguments.
10:17
@Borgleader say foo counter bar, but made a strawman of it (foo countered a misinterpretation or constrained example of bar) that does not mean that what foo has said unquestionably wrong.
@R.MartinhoFernandes ... fallacy fallacy!!!
@thecoshman It means it doesn't help making an argument, though.
(but no, I do realsie that)
@R.MartinhoFernandes ah, I see, so the FF is more if bar points out that foo made a SMF and thus that means bar's argument is some how 'stronger'
@thecoshman No.
Moaning all. Looks like SO today is already going south: 'Linux: How to send udp packet to unreachable ip address'. Good luck with that one.
It only means that foo's argument is poor.
10:20
also, why does plato look so disappointed on that site?
@MartinJames lol
@thecoshman They killed his mentor.
@R.MartinhoFernandes how does FF come into that? foo made a SMF response to bar, which bar points out. Would bar not need to then try to claim that his argument is now better for there to be a FF?
> 2. Check out Community Edition source files
@R.MartinhoFernandes ... welp, I certainly don't know shit
10:21
Who knew the repo was 1.34GB o.O
@Borgleader meh, trivial :P
@thecoshman Well, imagine the SMF was something like "But shooting people kills them!". Just because it's a fallacy, it doesn't mean it's wrong. It means, however, that it cannot be use as a proper argument for whatever subject is at hand.
also, is it 'so-crats' and not 'sock-ra-tees'?
s/t/tt/ ?
10:25
More like "so-cra-tees", maybe.
@R.MartinhoFernandes ... but... erm, how is that a fallacy? it's just wrong. Unless... would that be a counter to something like 'guns shouldn't be banned'?
@R.MartinhoFernandes :') thanks for not making me suffer IPA.
Actually, the page has a much better example.
> Example: Recognising that Amanda had committed a fallacy in arguing that we should eat healthy food because a nutritionist said it was popular, Alyse said we should therefore eat bacon double cheeseburgers every day.
so... FF is more or less, pointing out someone made a poor argument, but pointing it out by being a dick and turning it on it's head?
@thecoshman I say it more like "so-crah-tehs", because I don't like to anglicise foreign names/words I know how to pronounce and because it annoys a merkin friend of mine.
10:27
@TonyTheLion Dont have 10k. I can flag as not an answer though?
@R.MartinhoFernandes so a stress in the middle then
Yeah, it is weird.
@thecoshman But it's so much clearer Q_Q
if a class doesn't have a move constructor, will the compiler provide one that moves its members from the source?
@R.MartinhoFernandes only if you understand it though.
@thecoshman What are you waiting for? ;)
10:31
@R.MartinhoFernandes vOv mental capability? Tried, failed.
@doug65536 Yes. Assuming you don't write a member that prevents it (copy ctor, assignment op, or dtor)
@R.MartinhoFernandes thanks
I think I broke KerrekSB. He stopped answering =/ Or maybe he has a life o.O I should get one of those
What if he's really looking for reconciliation!
10:44
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's just one of those evenings where he's pretending to be polite and friendly, and pretending that it's everybody else who's been acting rashly. You don't let those trolls get away with it.
But... what if he is like Peter from Peter and the Wolf? Poor Kim.
> I don't mean to deny a feeling of solitude. It is there, reinforced by the fact that radio contact with the Earth abruptly cuts off at the instant I disappear behind the moon, I am alone now, truly alone, and absolutely isolated from any known life. I am it. If a count were taken, the score would be three billion plus two over on the other side of the moon, and one plus God knows what on this side.
I like Michael Collins.
lol @ three billion
dem days
ikr
Did you know he was 'promoted' from lunar module pilot to command module pilot?
Weird way of ranking up.
> South Korea dismissed the letter as having a "hidden motive".
you don't say? :)
@R.MartinhoFernandes indeed, no shiny beam of light or cries of 'grats'
@R.MartinhoFernandes one of the few people to be able to say they have been the furthest away from any other human being ever.
10:52
My consciousness travelled to another galaxy once
I got jetlag :(
> Put LUCKY on my tombstone.
hahah
morning

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