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2:00 PM
ECMAScript 6 sucks.
 
ECMAScript 6 is JavaScript?
 
@wilx no, it's ECMAScript
duh.
@R.MartinhoFernandes sucks less than 5.
 
@wilx Pretty much, yes.
 
Javascript is an even shittier real-world something that's in browsers.
 
Or servers. Or elsewhere, really.
 
2:02 PM
Imagine you make a list of all the things that could break in ES6, now break them all and put into browsers
@R.MartinhoFernandes I want JS to be kept away from my fridge and other life-supporting devices, TYVM
Writing servers in JS is going to result in a disaster sooner or later.
 
I don't know what you think is so different between ECMAScript and JavaScript.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ~the difference between ISO C++ and MSVC++
 
Xeo
ActionScript is also ECMA-based!
 
@Xeo AS is dying with Flash anyway, no?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Then why the allergy to JavaScript but not ECMAScript?
 
2:08 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes ECMAScript is a theoretical concept, right? not bound by any lobbying companies. As a language, it's evolving nicely, I think. However, actual implementation means everything, and for example Chrome still blocking ASM.js is extremely annoying.
 
hahaha, so funny.
Who do you think writes the standard?
 
I can talk about ECMAScript, but it's Javascript that I will use eventually.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I am not sure, I am not that much into its development. But I'd expect Google representatives, too. Doesn't change a thing.
 
> not bound by any lobbying companies
Those companies are the ones writing the standard.
 
okay, that one was badly phrased. The thing is, their implementations are far from ES spec :v
 
(Just look at the silly name: it ended up that ridiculous thing as a compromise between Netscape and Microsoft)
 
2:11 PM
and as I said, as long as you're actually not writing JS, it can be looked at as a nice language
but once you start doing development, all the painful flaws become so annoying I personally want to wear a metal bucket on my head and bang it against the wall
 
@BartekBanachewicz Erm, the differences are quite minor and mostly in the form of extensions.
The biggest flaws are not introduced by the deviations browsers introduce.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, as I said, it's also all the things that ES spec doesn't cover
 
Which... you don't have to use.
 
VM, for example
which you pretty much have to use.
 
2:15 PM
Maybe I am failing at expressing myself, but TLDR "Reading and assessing ES spec is a whole different thing to actually writing "real world" JS'
 
I don't see how.
JS is pretty much ES. Something's very wrong when you really like one of them and want to kill yourself if you use the other.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes no, there's nothing wrong. JS VM, browser environment and stuff make the difference
 
What's wrong with the VM?
 
node is a bit better, but then again for servers I am not really constrained by shitty browser
 
(DOM is a completely unrelated matter)
 
2:20 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes GC is terrible.
You have to write code optimized for the GC which ends up in all kinds of fucking mess
 
Oh gosh, why did I ask. I knew this was somewhere down there.
 
That's why ASM.js is the best thing to happen to JS
and that's why chrome sucks terribly for not adopting it yet
@R.MartinhoFernandes When I have to create a, for example, temporary global vector3 variable, because recreating the object is too costly, I call bullshit.
 
You can also stop trying to do everything in the browser.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes should I offload rendering to the cloud, perhaps?
 
Browsers can already render web pages. It's one of their primary tasks.
 
2:26 PM
I think Bartek is reading "Javascript" as "ECMAScript implemented badly with a VM and a browser", instead of as "ECMAScript".
 
If your complaint is that it is hard to plug a square peg into a round hole, well...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes no, I am complaining that I am forced to use one language and one VM, and that's called "Free and Open Web", and that particular language is fucking annoying to use.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit well pretty much that, yeah
 
@BartekBanachewicz You also said it is a nice language.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes if I were forced to use Lua in such a way, I'd also say the same
 
@BartekBanachewicz You're not "forced" to use anything.
 
2:31 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit browsers give me no other choice than text/javascript
 
Kids these days. "You're making me do this, do that." No, we're not - get off your arse and use something else, if you want to. Nobody is forcing you to use the WWW.
 
6 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
You can also stop trying to do everything in the browser.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Browser that other people have made, due to demand. You are free to make your own.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit now that's a long stretch
@LightnessRacesinOrbit oh come fucking on.
 
IE supports VBScript.
 
2:32 PM
you know that making your own browser is unrealistic as well as I do
 
@BartekBanachewicz What? You disagree that you are free to make your own version if you are unhappy with existing ones? What happened to "free and open web"?
Younguns just like moaning.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit the fact that "download my browser to use that app" might as well be "download my app"
 
@BartekBanachewicz I really don't see how using it in the browser makes the language any less nice than elsewhere (other than the DOM).
 
@BartekBanachewicz Eh?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what is unclear in that sentence?
11 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@R.MartinhoFernandes When I have to create a, for example, temporary global vector3 variable, because recreating the object is too costly, I call bullshit.
 
2:34 PM
I call bullshit too.
 
wanna benchmark that?
because when developing OpenMOBA, I shit you not, we had to use such "optimizations"
 
That's a consequence of the nice language you mentioned.
 
wait what?
 
Why do you think asm.js is a subset?
 
because it can be optimized better using current technology
 
2:34 PM
Because the nice language you mentioned has too much crap to allow optimisations.
Hopefully you're not thinking of writing asm.js by hand.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes of course not.
I am as realistic as one gets here, in contrast to @Lightness
 
asm.js has the exact same execution semantics of JavaScript. It only forbids the stuff that makes optimisations impossible/hard/unfeasible.
The stuff that is in the nice language you mentioned.
 
that is an interesting and bold point
So ECMAScript is, in its very nature, slow by design?
 
It's unfriendly to optimisations.
 
okay, let's hate both equally then
I knew I shouldn't really get into the discussion knowing so little about the language.
Anyway, the fact that browsers should provide low-level execution mechanism that would be language agnostic is a fact.
And ASM.js is trying to fix that gaping hole.
 
2:38 PM
> Because asm.js is a strict subset of JavaScript, this specification only defines the validation logic—the execution semantics is simply that of JavaScript. However, validated asm.js is amenable to ahead-of-time (AOT) compilation.
Straight from the asm.js spec.
 
Xeo
@TemplateRex 171 :>
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah well I knew that part, but the consequent statement of "the rest is not optimizable easily" somehow escaped me :<
Also I am now painfully waiting for the Python code to execute.
Somehow a colleague of mine decided using python for manipulating gigabytes of data is a wise choice
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well, consider for instance the fact that almost all arithmetic is floating-point arithmetic.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's the same in Lua
 
function add1(x) {
    return x+1
}
// vs
function add1(x) {
    x = x|0;
    return (x+1)|0;
}
(|0 is asm.js's way of marking stuff as having type int)
 
2:49 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You're never forced to program at all. But if you want to write something on a web page that will execute on the browser, your choices are extremely constrained.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah well writing asm.js by hand is annoying
 
Do you think people should be allowed to commit suicide because they want a control of their life to the end?
If people plan for most of the things in their life, why not their death?
 
> Stunningly, I’ve even met firmware developers who’d never even heard of a buffer-overflow! They appeared genuinely shocked when I explained the concept.
oh god.
we're doomed.
I am now genuinely scared of buying an intelligent fridge.
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 I think suicide is so abhorrent that it must be illegal, and conviction must carry an automatic death penalty. That'll teach 'em!
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 I think it's a 'potential of misuse' question, I can literally imagine businesses marketing death if it was allowed
 
3:01 PM
C should be banned from everything that's mission-critical or otherwise has to be secure from attacks
 
But you have no control of your death when you get death penalty?
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Whoosh!
 
irony when someone spelt 'literally' wrong >_<
 
I corrected it!
 
This article got me thinking the above question ...
 
JBL
3:04 PM
@Hobbyist It's already the case, in Switzerland. There is what some call "suicide tourism".
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz What are you gonna use instead?
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 does your name translate to mao miao miao or neko nyan nyan
 
@Xeo Haskell, Ada, C++, ... ?
 
how is Haskell more secure than C?
 
Xeo
3:06 PM
Ah, I heard Ada is increadibly nice in the stability and safety regard.
 
@Xeo yep, that's what it was made for
 
@JBL see!
 
@Xeo yeah, it has for example very cute support of numbers that have to stay within some range.
@MarcClaesen map is inherently more secure than for
 
@BartekBanachewicz Which, unfortunately, can lead directly to serious problems (was pretty much the direct cause of the Ariane V fiasco).
 
Also @JerryCoffin a) have you seen OpenACC and b) how is it really different from OpenMP?
 
3:08 PM
s/rr/r/
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz for = flip map
 
@JBL do they buy 1 way ticket or something?
 
@JerryCoffin nobody's perfect, I guess. I've kind of enjoyed writing Ada, too bad we didn't really use its potential and instead used it to solve a threading problem (yay uni)
 
Numbers within a range have almost no operation that is total.
 
3:10 PM
Defined for all possible inputs.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I've never really looked into it enough to comment on it intelligently.
 
Xeo
That's also something I learned from Haskell: Total and partial functions
 
JBL
@Telkitty猫咪咪 I'd think a round-trip would be useless. Though it probably doesn't matter anymore for these people.
 
Do you think people would live differently if they are allowed to plan when they will die?
Of course accidents happen sometimes
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you can return a different number that you're taking, huh?
 
3:12 PM
Let's say I plan to die at the age of 91
 
@BartekBanachewicz The little I remember, however, says that it's kind of a cross between OpenMP and a CUDA/OpenCL kind of thing -- implemented as directives, but intended to let computation be offloadd to a GPU (or some other highly parallel co-processor) not just using multiple cores on the CPU.
 
adding two numbers [0-3] should produce a number that's [0-6]
 
Oooh, great.
 
I am not sure if Ada does that, actually :S
I only remember I was pleased with what it has to offer when it comes to strongly typed numbers with ranges
@JerryCoffin I see.
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 I'm more worried about preteens who just saw their first suicide movie/ anime trying it, I knew lots of people like that =s
 
3:14 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Depends -- modular arithmetic normally does so, just not necessarily the results you'd otherwise expect.
 
@BartekBanachewicz The thing is, now you are no longer using numbers [0-3].
@BartekBanachewicz Consider: for(x in xs) s += x; where xs is some sequence of [0-3]s. What's the type of s?
@JerryCoffin Yeah, that was what I was considering when I typed "almost".
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes should be Potentially Infinity
 
@BartekBanachewicz Ain't that great? Now you have about zero benefit from your ranged numbers.
 
also I have a deja vu that we already had this conversation and I've lost
@R.MartinhoFernandes you can also be forced to specify the type of S which would throw on overflow
 
I think I discussed this with the puppy when he was thinking of adding this to Wide.
 
3:17 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Even without bringing ranges into it, the results of many operations are less restricted than inputs -- e.g., division over whole numbers gives rational numbers, square root over reals gives complex, etc.
 
@BartekBanachewicz That's what you get with C#'s checked arithmetic.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well the start of the discussion was that C is terrible. Of course C# is better.
 
Still, throwing on overflow is kinda nasty: it still brings your thing down, and that doesn't play nice with critical stuffs.
Or are you going to catch(OverflowException)?
 
Xeo
hm... can I undo a hg push easily?
 
3:33 PM
I wish the media would stop with their stupid "oh look they hacked the new iPhone's biometric scanner". Damnit, that's old news. We already knew long ago that it was easy to break that.
Shaddup
@R.MartinhoFernandes I learned last week you can't catch that.
 
@TonyTheLion The media are still under the impression that Apple products are "safer". Dumbasses
 
JBL
@TonyTheLion People not muchy into this kind of technology didn't.
 
@Borgleader Yea exactly.
@JBL Douchebags. Oh wait, I'm not supposed to insult people that don't know IT stuffs.
 
@TonyTheLion Yes, you can.
 
JBL
@TonyTheLion That's ok with me. :D
Gosh I'm terrible.
 
3:36 PM
What the fuck. In the OpenGL superbible they use thousands of other mid-sized library to handle basically everything, using only glClearColor as an OpenGL command. WHAT THE FUCK! I WANT TO LEARN OPENGL, NOT A SHITLOAD OF OTHER RELATED LIBRARIES. Why am I not using SFML already?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Damnit, I thought I read StackOverflowException
that's the one you can't catch
 
Hi. A couple of days ago the 19 million post milestone was achieved stackoverflow.com/q/19000000
 
@TonyTheLion ideone.com/PEtGiL
@TonyTheLion Oh, that.
 
@Jefffrey that's why I don't like Superbible that much. Read specs.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Orange book isn't too terrible either.
 
3:41 PM
@JerryCoffin The orange books needs an update... No geometry, compute or tesselation shaders in there
 
@TonyTheLion Meh, ideone doesn't have .NET 4. This should work ideone.com/M5zeP1
 
@JerryCoffin Would you suggest the red book as well?
 
@Borgleader Quite true -- but at least what's there is OpenGL, not some other library entirely. It's no longer complete, but what's there does apply.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh woah, cool.
 
@Jefffrey It's about as good as any, but still not great -- too much obsolescent stuff and samples assume use of glut.
 
3:45 PM
@Jefffrey I don't have the latest edition (8th), I have 7th, and I honestly skipped about half of it.
 
@JerryCoffin The use of GLUT is not a problem, I can map their function to other libraries (like glfw). What would you suggest to get started (knowing pretty much nothing very well), that is not this or the superbible?
 
My trick for the red book, was to generate an OpenGL 3.3 header with glLoadGen, and whenever the book would talk about a feature, check if it was in there. If it wasn't (which I assumed meant deprecated) I would skip. You should probably generate a 4.x header though. My edition doesn't cover ogl4 so 3.3 was fine for me.
 
@Jefffrey Well, I mostly learned from the Red book, and managed to get by, but it takes a fair amount of extra effort to figure out what parts you should ignore completely, and what parts should be taken with large grains of salt. I can't really say much about the site you linked -- I've glanced at it before, but not much more than that.
 
@Borgleader I don't plan on going over OGL 3.2, my system does not support anything more than 3.2 anyway.
 
Ell
Hi guys
I was going to make a sex related comment but I don't feel it appropriately for the current atmosphere
 
3:50 PM
@JerryCoffin I'll try it out, thanks.
 
You could try generating an OGL 3.2 header with glLoadGen, see what that gives you.
 
@Ell Sex and humor are always appropriate.
 
@Jefffrey Which edition is that?
 
@Ell I'm here, its fine.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes 5th, the only one talking about OpenGL 3.x
 
Ell
3:51 PM
Being blue balled really sucks. XD
 
@Ell Ironically sucking is also a solution.
 
@TonyTheLion I don't doubt the extent is exaggerated, but I'd guess it's probably entirely true in at least a few cases.
 
@Jefffrey We have the 6th at work.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes And how is that?
 
Not sure. Haven't had the chance to explore it yet.
 
Xeo
3:56 PM
parse p "" >>> const munit ||| id
-- or
either (const munit) id . parse p ""
-- or
case parse p "" msg of
  Left _ -> munit
  Right r -> r
all of them look kinda meh
 
Xeo
doesn't untag
and it's actually as long as the ||| version :/
 
So, what's the best advice to give to people who are terrible at asking StackOverflow questions? I mean, people who border on copy&paste homework assignments as questions. I heard some classmates complaining about the lack of help they received on StackOverflow recently.
 
Thanks. I will save this. Perhaps I'll give it to my professor and he'll share with the others.
 
4:10 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't expect people, that don't have the courtesy or patience to make a decent question for their own good, to read a long article on how they should ask questions just because @nhgrif here ask them to.
 
@Jefffrey Those are just hopeless.
 
Haha, that's a good point.
 
@Jefffrey You can write a pretty short summary, just with a lot less detail and/or examples. But in the end, the robot is right -- there's not much you can do to help somebody if they just refuse to learn.
 
I've seen one of my classmates asking a SO question that was easily answered with a simple google search. :(
 
4:17 PM
If each of you had to give one advice for becoming better at programming, what would it be?
 
Not be me.
 
At my previous job, there was that guy that was always still around when I left the office. Now I'm that guy. Hmm.
 
You're still around when you leave the office?
 
Well played.
 
4:20 PM
@Hobbyist Always try to think from the viewpoint of whoever's going to use your code (not just the end user, but anybody who write code that uses yours).
 
Wait, there's still a mechanic downstairs.
 
I heard somewhere that humans will read your code like 100 times more often then a machine will read your code.
 
Easily provable false.
 
Define machine reading.
 
A machine will read all your code every time you recompile.
 
user1804599
4:23 PM
@TonyTheLion Reminds me of @StackedCrooked and his vertigo. :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes because u r nu there
 
@nhgrif I could easily believe spending 100x as much time reading your code, or that a person even reading it once would cost 100x as much.
 
newblet always gets to leave the last
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 I wasn't new at the previous job, right?
 
Didn't you just say there was always someone else in the office when you leave in your previous job?
 
4:25 PM
So what.
 
nothing, newblet
 
Your logic is quite terrible.
 
@All Hi...
 
lol, & you thought I was serious >_<
 
4:30 PM
4
Q: CDO Mail "Login from one account and send from another mail"

NarendraI am using CDO to send mail from gmail,I have one Account credentials and need to send from another mailid

 
user1804599
@Narendra How many accounts do you have?
 
@not-rightfold 5, this one + 1 per upvote on that question ;)
 
@not-rightfold i have 2 accounts
 
@Jefffrey I flipped through it and found no mention of any special libraries.
 
user1804599
@Borgleader Flagged for diamond mod attention.
 
4:33 PM
> but i need to use this credentials and set from address as another gmail
Are you a spammer?
GTFO.
 
Marty's getting pissed.
 
I feel your pain ... I feel your pain ... I think we have all been spammed before.
 
Yeah, by you.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes When it comes to explain the basic it uses GLFrustum, Math3d, glut (obviously), GLShaderManager as well as what it calls "GLTools" defined in <GLTools.h>.
 
user1804599
// How do you guys usually solve this problem?
class foo {
public:
    T& foo() { return foo; }
private:
    T foo;
};
 
user1804599
4:37 PM
m_ and _ are ugly. :P
 
Tack an underscore, move on.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes i need to send authorization mail for user to authorize the next level
 
@not-rightfold m_ is less ugly than _. Either a prefix or a suffix. I personally hate suffixes in this case and I use m_ instead.
Just m_move _on.
 
@Jefffrey This one only seems to use a vmath namespace for linear algebra (totally understandable since OpenGL doesn't provide one) and something for the window system crap.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes If i not using USESSL i can send the mails using different mail id's but if i want to send from gmail i am unable to send
 
4:40 PM
@Narendra I don't care.
 
Xeo
@not-rightfold _foo~
 
Did they lower the rep requirement for chats?
 
Good question. I believe it was 20 when I came here.
 
It was for me too
 
Oh, and it uses something called "Triangle batch" like:
triangleBatch.Begin(GL_TRIANGLES, 3);
triangleBatch.CopyVertexData3f(vVerts); // array of vertexes
triangleBatch.End();
 
4:44 PM
I think it's been the same (too low) requirement since day 1. Certainly by day 3 when I showed up, anyway.
 
@Jefffrey Ugh,
 
Exactly.
 
The sixth edition looks much better.
 
Oh and it spend 2 chapters explaining what stock shaders are:
GLfloat vRed[] = { 1.0f, 0.0f, 0.0f, 1.0f };
shaderManager.UseStockShader(GLT_SHADER_IDENTITY, vRed);
triangleBatch.Draw();
 
Yeah, none of that crap here.
It uses normal stuff to produce the shaders.
 
4:46 PM
Thanks Jerry they have repented it.
 
I also have the Red Book 8th edition. Lemme check that.
 
How do you think the glow on the bricks is done?
 
Looks clean of the compat stuff. Uses glut for the window system, but that's not a big issue, I think,
 
No, indeed.
@Pawnguy7 Probably just a transparent texture
I'll try the Red book later, then.
 
Both seem to cover pretty much everything, including geometry, tessellation, and compute shaders.
 
4:53 PM
I can't use those anyway (I'm on 3.2).
 
@Jefffrey Make sure it's the eighth edition. I'm pretty sure it wasn't like this a few editions back.
 
It looks like it uses 4.3. I'm not sure if it's the same as 3.2.
 
3.2 is a subset.
 
Ok, good.
Geez, I'm late. See you guys later.
 
Hmm, there's also Design Patterns on the shelf. Maybe I can finally fully understand that old Stevey's Drunken Blog Rant™, Singleton Considered Stupid.
Nope, still don't get it.
He seems to think the Interpreter pattern is super important.
 
Looks weird.
Interesting though.
About time someone tried something different in the controller market.
 
As much as I dislike touchcrap, I have to admit that haptic feedback is sorta nice.
 
> We’ve fooled those older games into thinking they’re being played with a keyboard and mouse, but we’ve designed a gamepad that’s nothing like either one of those devices.
I'm intrigued by this ^
I mean, I'm curious to see how well it will work even on games that were not designed for it.
 
Drivers and shit.
A "keyboard" driver that talks to the controller, BAM.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's the one thing that makes touch not crap.
 
5:08 PM
@Borgleader Unless you need a zillion keys, I don't see why there would be mishaps.
 
I meant experience wise, not the technical details.
 
But games usually don't need a zillion keys.
 
In any case, I'm definitely down to try this :)
 
Still unsure about playability of stuff like FPSes on trackpads.
I have an hour or so to kill and I'm bored.
Entertain me.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I know a person who plays like that.
 
5:18 PM
Me too. He's crazy.
 
I'd rather use 360 controller and they're godawful at FPSes.
I can't imagine using touchpad or whatever
Also I'm still winning the starboard
 
Easily fixable.
 
I win anyway
I'm falling asleep
 
Hai guys
Finally back from a party
 
The problem with over-the-ear headphones is that long hair interferes negatively with them.
 
5:23 PM
Long hair sucks
I wish hair growing were togglable
SCIENCE GET ON IT
 
@CatPlusPlus How was your day today?
 
I'm barely concious
Everything's terrible, I'm going to sleep
 
Too much Ruby?
 
Sounds like a suicide poem.
 
@CatPlusPlus no they need to get us the hoverboards from Back to the Future first
 
5:25 PM
Fuck hoverboards
 
@Borgleader Amen to that :)
 
Who gives a shit
 
I do
Cuz we have shitty traffic jams here
 
Uncontrollable hair is a real problem here
 
@GamesBrainiac lol, yeah, hoverboards would totally fix that.
 
5:26 PM
Ugh I can't go for 5 minutes without yawning
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes we could hop from one building to another :P
 
Sleep. Bye.
 
@CatPlusPlus Gnite man.
 
@GamesBrainiac Unless there's an hoverboard jam on that building.
 
Xeo
@GamesBrainiac hover, not fly.
 
5:26 PM
@Xeo I was thinking more like super hoverboards, that can jump really goood
Samurai Jack <3
btw, anyone here watch Space Brothers?
 
@not-rightfold Last time I experienced the symptoms was over a year ago. I hope it never comes back.
 
I'm eating delicious pizza
 
What's the difference between std::random_shuffle and std::shuffle? o.O
 
@CatPlusPlus chemo therapy disables it
 
@Tuntuni Shuffle takes a uniformdistribution generator?
so i guess uniformity is the difference
 
5:35 PM
Well, the example for std::shuffle uses just std::mt19937.
So I guess that falls into URNG.
 
Xeo
They kinda plan to deprecate std::random_shuffle
since they have std::shuffle now
 
But std::mt19937's operator() could also be considered a RandomFunc.
@Xeo OIC.
 
user image
5
 
hahaha xD
 
hahah
@Xeo What are the reasons? Is it just the name?
 
5:38 PM
I love cake :)
 
@Xeo They could just keep it, in case we don't need the number generator doesn't need to be random and we happen to have one that is faster than a uniform one
 
deprecation doesn't mean removal
 
@GamesBrainiac Sacher ftw. :3
 
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> A notice was sent to community@stackexchange.com about a popular question being closed.
 
5:40 PM
@Rapptz the structure of hardons might be interesting
 
^^ woah...
 
> Notice added Historical significance by animuson♦
wut....
 
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Yikes. People hate that question that much?
 
4=4
 
@Tuntuni :)
@ScottW Scotttyyy! :D
How u been bro?
 
5:44 PM
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hello love
Baby I love you so much <3 <3
 
So where do I see a list of proposals that have been accepted at Chicago (i.e., a list of what I can expect to see in C++14)?
 
@ScottW ohai
 

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