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12:00 AM
@sehe For a seed of only $10K, you can reap...either rule of the world, or...well, I'm sure it'll be something really good, anyway.
 
is it a random seed?
 
Expect a harvest! Expect a harvest! Expect it! Expect a harvest!
 
apparently running ctags on boost makes my .tags file go from 75 KB to 170 MB+
heh
 
@Rapptz I've recently run out of space doing that. When removing the tags file, I got 1.6Gb free space back
I have the strongest suspicion (unchecked) that I might have had a symlink cycle in there. If ctags fails to distinguish between links and directories...
 
12:22 AM
fuck Google
the latest Chrome update is terrible.
OTOH Firefox doesn't even seem to have a new tab page worth using to fuck up
 
lol. I'm safe with Opera as ever
 
12:49 AM
@DeadMG what did it do?
 
@melak47 Replace new tab page with Google advertisements, basically.
 
didn't you use to be able to switch between a thing showing frequently visited pages, and one showing apps?
 
yeah
I picked the frequently visited pages one.
but now, over half that page is taken up with a Google logo and search bar.
and the frequently visited pages are tiny
 
lol
 
even if you pick another search engine, all that happens is that most of the page is empty.
nice favouritism there Google.
 
12:51 AM
chromium ftw :)
 
1:11 AM
what does fixed mean in setprecision?
 
Fuck. Oral test of OOP in 5 hours and I can't sleep.
 
Fuck MonetDB and the MAPI library for returning a STRING "true/false" for boolean values
that was a nice fun 3 hour debug session
off home, to bed
 
1:38 AM
What I do not understand about the new chrome is the point of the search box on new tab; Since the address bar already does search...
 
I just wish it was fucking gone
 
2:11 AM
@BartekBanachewicz ^ Interesting
 
frankly, I'm surprised this didn't happen sooner.
abstractions like DX and OGL were more useful when there were more competing card vendors.
 
Now I think I know why MS said there would be DX12
Something like this will probably be the next thing.
(Pretty sure they said that anyway)
 
@Borgleader Still bad design. Just new features and support. Very bad design not using a single C++ idiom. I hate DirectX.
And OpenGL.
 
Well they were originally designed like 10 years ago. Not surprising they didn't age well.
 
Well, they have pretty much the same designs as that of the Windows APIs.
COM is the root of all evil!
 
2:22 AM
No, Inheritance is
 
And that.
 
One API to rule them all wouldn't hurt. Hell it might make things even more performant
 
What do you mean by "one API"?
 
Didn't you read the slides? "Used instead of DX11 on supporting GPUs". Something like that, that would replace DX and OpenGL. Something possibly standard, who knows.
 
Oh. Sorry. Haven't saw your linked article.
 
2:26 AM
@MarkGarcia I don't really have a problem with it.
 
@DeadMG I hope you're wrapping it or something.
 
And honestly DX isn't so bad. OpenGL isn't OO so it needs more wrapping.
 
@MarkGarcia Yep, but it's still not that bad.
 
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Q: Understanding find and vectors C++

Jake SmithI'm trying to understand this line of code vector<int>::iterator it = find(list_vector.begin(), list_vector.end(), 5) where I have vector<int> list_vector; declared before hand. What does the 5 do? What does it return? Does it return the 5 if it can find it at the beginning and end? If I want...

> What does the 5 do?
 
@Borgleader 10 years ago? Depending on exactly how you count things, 20 years would be quite a bit closer.
 
2:32 AM
@JerryCoffin My memory was bad 20 years ago, I was sorta like... 3 years old ;)
 
@DeadMG Well, to be fair, I think DX is really meant to be wrapped and be flexible to be adapted in various game [engine] designs.
 
woohoo
live from Chicago: dynarray cut from C++14.
 
sweet
 
@DeadMG awesome
 
@DeadMG I may give up on this atheism thing after all. Maybe there really is a god.
4
 
2:35 AM
also live from Chicago
optional cut from C++14 because of the relops disaster.
 
@DeadMG Nice.
 
@DeadMG huh?
 
@DeadMG really? damnit...
jerry, go back to atheism :P
 
Something easy to fix.. and they cut it?
 
sold one of my apps (source code, rights etc) to an American company through an American company. The buyer is very nice, but agent is a prick ... they couldn't get sale price right, over charged, made mistake on seller's identification through the transaction process then blame it on me
 
2:36 AM
Well, that's interesting.
 
Guess we have to fallback to boost's. Though I like it better for its (awkward) reference feature/support.
 
apparently, some people also wanted more operators (for example, comparison against any U that T is comparable to), and serious questions about the wording used.
 
I have no idea what got added or removed since the first bout of papers all adopted.
 
@Rapptz I think, they don't want something disputed to be added to the standard.
 
Haven't they added controversial features in the past?
 
2:41 AM
@Borgleader Yes -- export for an obvious example.
 
@Borgleader At least, they might not want to repeat those (^ that) mistakes again.
 
@Borgleader And the experience of doing so is why they do it less now.
 
I should add, however, that I've heard from some who were present that although export was controversial, it was still a compromise that probably prevented something close to a civil war in the committee (though I've heard from others who were present that this is an exaggeration).
 
There are other rooms, with 29 users currently stalking in 16 rooms.
Oo ...
 
2:50 AM
@DeadMG you're in chicago?
 
no
couldn't afford to go
 
who are you IRL, if you don't mind me asking?
 
I did catch some Committee contacts whilst I was in Bristol though
I do
 
fair enough
 
got enough worries with my guts trying to kill me without anyone else trying to help them
 
2:55 AM
heh. well, if you make it to another standards meeting, come and find me..
also live from Chicago, digit separators are set to be single quotes
 
were you at Bristol?
 
yeah
 
hmm
 
two days of ACCU, plus the whole standards meeting
 
I seem to recall deciding that I hadn't met you
 
2:56 AM
well, I've no way of telling whether I've met you
 
and that is absolutely fine by me
I spent almost all my time in LEWG though
 
I only popped into LEWG for the ranges discussion iirc
 
std::split and such?
 
was in EWG and LWG otherwise
 
oh, wait, I was in LWG a couple times.
 
2:58 AM
I was in my bed.
 
no, the discussion I was in ended up with naming a concept 'Traversable'
 
oh, I was definitely not there for that.
 
I saw that one
 
I only presented one paper about heterogenous lookups in associative containers
 
isn't that wakley's paper?
 
2:59 AM
there were two papers
one for ordered and one for unordered.
we covered them both at the same time essentially though
 
I wasn't in LEWG for that. Think I saw one of them when it hit LWG.
 
they never went to LEWG
also, if you saw one, you almost certainly saw both
ah well
I couldn't afford to go to Chicago
 
hmm. too many months ago. If it was wednesday or thursday then there's a good chance. but LWG was a big room
 
LEWG was a big room
LWG was a tiny room
LWG had a small ten-seater table, and a couple extra chairs
LEWG had a table that could seat 30-40 and was in one of the biggest rooms
 
then I'm misremembering which was around they were. LEWG must've been in the bristol suite
 
3:04 AM
yeah
Bristol 3
 
the ranges discussion I was in was in the tiny room
 
yep, that's LWG
 
then if you discussed the heterogenous lookups in LWG I wasn't there.
 
fair enough
 
3:22 AM
It got awfully quiet in here all of a sudden. I guess everybody must be working on this question, because it's just so well asked and obviously not homework. :-)
 
heh
What's this Chrome notifications shit
 
from the chat? you can turn them off
 
No it's a taskbar thing that gives me notifications of Chrome's stuff
 
kinda annoying
because it gives you a balloon for every new notification (I'm using the Task Manager to close extensions and it keeps messaging me that I did that.. well no shit I did)
 
3:30 AM
stop using chrome then ;)
 
Yeah. :)
 
@JerryCoffin Sick.
 
I just got up. Have to show up early at work since we're going on a team building event today and tomorrow.
 
Sounds like fun
 
Seems like we'll be going to the beach for wind sailing on a cart or something.
 
3:40 AM
I started reading the OpenSubdiv documentation. Boy it's gonna take a while to make a pipeline around that.
 
we got this hint.
 
@StackedCrooked Tipi? You're going on a trip to North America? :P
 
Nope, Zeeland in the Netherlands :D
 
@StackedCrooked I see a teepee and a teepee-shaped fire. Is that the hint?
 
I guess.
I suppose we'll sleep in something like that tonight.
 
3:55 AM
@StackedCrooked Be alert for signs of fire.
 
I think we'll start with the beach sailing thing.
@chris Maybe the hint means that they will burn us.
 
4:24 AM
Hai guys
 
4:36 AM
sounds fun ...
weird shaped tent though
I <3 bonfire
I have this strong affection for camp/bonfire in the wild/on the beach
 
4:50 AM
@GamesBrainiac hey
 
@A.H. Hows it goin?
 
trying to figure out how to put bind expressions into a map ...
you?
 
ugh tables in LaTeX
 
I'm too busy being sick :(
Got red eye today
 
5:28 AM
>
undefined reference to symbol '_ZSt17__throw_bad_allocv@@GLIBCXX_3.4'
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6: error adding symbols: DSO missing from command line
collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
anyone know what thats all about ?
 
posted on September 26, 2013

If you want to be able to augment a data structure in a uniformly efficient way, it seems to be necessary to use a node-based structure rather than an array-based one.

 
5:48 AM
well this is awkward
 
@ScottW yes, scottie pup, you & food :p
but not you as food >_<
 
Xeo
@A.H. std::function
 
@Xeo thanks , figured it out but now linker is being an ass :p
 
yes scottie pup yes ...
 
6:10 AM
now tony is going to rip me into pieces for taking your affection scottie pup :'(
 
6:38 AM
no I'm not going to rip you to pieces
I have come to accept that ScottW will have affairs with just about any other Lounger he meets
It doesn't make him any less my baby <3
 
6:58 AM
he's in denial
 
Hello?
 
@JerryCoffin No, I'm working on this one instead. This user is a real asset to the site!
@Servant Don't ask to ask greet :|
 
Can I ask where does Visual Studio Express 2012 look for C++ header files?
 
Yes you can.
Preferrably on Stack Overflow
 
But I can't find it..
 
7:03 AM
Click the link! Then it's this button: Ask Question
 
Hehehe... I found this: stackoverflow.com/a/335426/2007055 But I couldn't find it.
 
JBL
Mornin' !
Misread, forget that
 
@JBL I can't find the "Tools" folder.
 
JBL
Wat ? That's like a top-level menu in VS :D
No it's a menu :/
 
@Servant Folder?
 
JBL
7:09 AM
Between SQL and VisualSVN in my case.
 
LOL. VSExpress doesn't have plugins. Also, poor thing (VisualSVN...)
 
JBL
Oh I don't use it :)
 
Then rid it! Time is of the essence!
 
JBL
Wait...
 
Ahh.. No, that answer is not intended to my issue, sorry.. What I need to find is the path of the C++ header files.
 
JBL
7:10 AM
@sehe That's an optional plugin ?
Oh, apparently not.
 
@Servant Duh. It's there, same place, obviously. Anyways, have you considere just... looking for it?
@JBL Most certainly it is. Addon, likely. Here visualsvn.com/visualsvn
 
JBL
@sehe Aww ! Yes but in the "Extensions and Plugins" window, it says "It can't be uninstalled through Extensions And Plugins"
It must be uninstalled like a program.
 
@JBL Well, then. That's the sign of a crappy extension. But yeah, you could just choose to leave it.
 
JBL
@sehe Obviously.
 
I'll post a question about it..
 
JBL
7:13 AM
I don't remember how the hell I got that...
@Servant Standard lib ?
 
@JBL What is the path of it?
 
3 mins ago, by sehe
@Servant Duh. It's there, same place, obviously. Anyways, have you considere just... looking for it?
Open explorer, find files "iostream" or "stdexcept". Should be relatively swift, no.
 
JBL
@Servant Your IDE can't find them ?
 
What I want to find is the location of them on the VS not in my project.
 
JBL
@sehe Apparently, some people become sick at the idea of using the Windows Exporer search.
 
7:17 AM
Because you should be using Locate like a civilised person.
 
JBL
@Servant I may give you a trick once you've tried what @sehe said.
 
Also I'm winning the starboard
 
@JBL I am one of these people. But that is not relevant
 
JBL
@sehe I am as well, though sometimes going on and using it actually work.
 
@JBL Yeah, but I find the subfolder of my project.. What I want to find are the libraries of the header files of VS Express.
 
JBL
7:20 AM
 
@CatPlusPlus so you will get the starboard when you win? >_<
 
JBL
No more excuses to delay learning Python :)
@Servant Have you tried what @sehe said ?
6 mins ago, by sehe
Open explorer, find files "iostream" or "stdexcept". Should be relatively swift, no.
 
@JBL Yes, and I found the subfolder of my project and not the libraries of the VS Express' C++ header files.
 
@Servant you found "the subfolder of your project". Seems to me (a) you have a problem if <iostream> is in you project (b) your looking in the wrong place
 
JBL
I think I'll give up...
I'm tempted to give a super easy trick just so that it ends.
 
7:25 AM
I just did
@JBL Do it
> Project Navigation, Testing support, Customizable UI, Vim key bindings (Community Edition)
Okay. Convinced to give it a try
 
JBL
@Servant Create a project, include any standard header (e.g.: include <iostream>), right click on this line, first option in the context menu Open <iostream> document and bam, you have it (Hovering over the document's tab will show the path).
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Yes.
 
@JBL And that's the reason I detest using IDE build integration
 
JBL
@sehe What ? I don't understand (but forgive me, I got myself only 2 coffees for the moment...)
Though I understand there's many reasons leading to hate toward IDE build integration.
 
@JBL Oh yes I found their location.. No need to ask a question on SO. Thanks!
 
7:29 AM
Jumping through hoops just to find the information that I (the programmer) should own. I'm pretty sure I'd find it <1 minute in the proper settings, if I had visual studio
 
JBL
@sehe Well, normally you should. For some reasons he couldn't... :/
 
@Servant Uhoh. Wrong takeaway. Post a question on Stack Overflow, and self-answer!
 
JBL
@Servant That's the complete opposite of the SO mentality. Chat isn't for questions. The main site is.
 
Actually, the main site is so that people (Like You) can find answers
 
JBL
Also.
Though self-answering a question always feels strange to me :D
 
7:32 AM
@sehe Maybe if I have a free time.. Now I'm wonder why I didn't found their right location on Windows Explorer.
 
JBL
@Servant I'd want to give you a hint, but that wouldn't be very kind. :<
 
I'd best not answer that.
 
JBL
Haha !
Btw, does someone know how to fix the following mentality : I really like to know and use things, but not much to learn them :/
It becomes quite annoying...
(And that's fucking nonsense, the only way to know things is to learn them, silly !)
 
so you use things without knowing how to use them?
 
Bye guys!
 
7:36 AM
is it normal for someone to stare at their first gl program for 30 minutes in awe ?
 
JBL
@A.H. I did with my first DX one.
@melak47 No, but I have a hard time motivating myself to learn things.
 
good to know because I have been starring at a rotating cube
 
JBL
Though I really enjoy the fact of knowing and using things I've learned (e.g. in C++)
 
@melak47 Yes.
 
JBL
@sehe You do Java ? Interesting.
 
7:38 AM
@JBL That as well
 
JBL
@A.H. Your first rotating cube in 3D rendering is always awesome.
 
21 hours ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
Lunchtime funtime! Check out my spinning cube!!! #gooengine http://t.co/sMEoBv70Ip
 
JBL
Playing beautiful games as a hobby doesn't take this awesomeness away.
 
@JBL now to figure out how to add sound
 
JBL
@A.H. That souldn't be that hard compared to the whole GL setup.
 
7:39 AM
@A.H. I'm pretty sure hers is a lot prettier than yours :) ^^
 
JBL
Well, for basic sound playing.
 
never made anything with sound in C++
 
JBL
@sehe Pink !
 
@sehe mine is wire frame ;'(
and flat colors
 
Wireframe is ok, as long as it's sturdy ;) I'm sure there's a wireframe inside her box too :D
God that was so lame
> How to use interface in a base-class?
The type of questions...
 
7:42 AM
@JBL I am pretty sure googling pulseaudo should lead me to something
@sehe what does that even mean ?
 
JBL
@sehe The best part was : interface ITimer {}
 
@A.H. does it count if the graphics card is making sort of a whining noise? :)
 
JBL
How to immediately hint you come from Java.
@melak47 Only if you render a plane simulation.
@A.H. Dunno, having to deal with sound in C++ I ended up with OpenAL.
 
@melak47 "To enable sound effects please take off your headphone"
 
JBL
That was painful.
 
user1804599
7:43 AM
Man.
 
JBL
Woman.
 
user1804599
I’m drinking shit with nicotine in it.
 
@sehe might want to add a Diamond of Death note in your answer
 
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A: How to use interface in a base-class?

seheInheritance is the base-class of all evil. A nor B are ITimers A doesn't even implement the pure virtual, so it cannot be instantiated. Therefore, inheriting from A makes C abstract too (cannot be instantiated). You don't want to use inheritance here. See Liskov Substitution Principle ("is-...

@A.H. I didn't want to. However, I did so anyways. I'm not motivated to explain how you can make braindead approaches work.
 
JBL
@sehe Those diamonds have sharp edges man.
Better warn about them.
 
7:49 AM
@DeadMG I presume you mean the dynarray<T> library, and not the built-into-the-language dynamic array in C++14?
 
JBL
Man, why the fuck do I care (a bit) about badges ?
Leave me alone, brain.
 
user1804599
I really like <algorithm>.
 
@JBL get your badges; sweet, juicy badges!
also, our religious friend returns, this time on CV stats.stackexchange.com/questions/71088/…
 
JBL
@MarcClaesen Doh, I don't eat them.
 
@JBL not yet
 
JBL
7:57 AM
I don't intend to in the future as well...
 
@MarcClaesen WTF.
 
nobody intends to, it just happens
 
user1804599
@MarcClaesen lololol
 
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JBL
What the hell is that ?
 
7:59 AM
looks like either a bear or a ball of snot, not sure which
 
Xeo
A badger
 
close enough
 
@JBL badgers!
 
JBL
Yep, just looked through the transcript.
 

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