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10:00 AM
hihi
@A.H. You can get that number as high as you want by increasing the input sizes.
It's a change from O(N^2) to O(N) so you can pretty much get whatever performance increase numbers you want for marketing.
 
@Xeo gigo
@R.MartinhoFernandes also, debug builds helped
 
@sehe lol, really?
(I didn't read it)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes from scanning the comments, yes
@R.MartinhoFernandes (me neither, i'm not a masochist)
I'm just starting GN13SeanParentInheritanceistheBaseClassofEvil_high.mp4
 
@sehe maybe delivering debug builds to his clients/customers is the reason they are complaining about speed :)
 
It always starts with an irate call from your electricity company :/
 
10:06 AM
Chrome: Are you sure you want to open 59 tabs?, Me: Yes, RAM usage goes from 3 to 14 GB
 
@melak47 ssshhht I know a product that does get shipped unoptimized... and has huge performance issues. They claim it to the DB access...
 
@jalf btw, the issue with the libcmsomething... Was linking a freetype linked to /MD instead of /MT :S
@melak47 It did warn you.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "The code in this introduction makes use of a C++11 feature known as template typedefs" lol
 
@UserLong I'm holding up a mirror. Would you rather have no one told you that your question is ludicrous? So you can keep chasing windmills? If you don't see why that selection of tools is causing eyebrows to be raised, then try to find out. (The good news is, googling is a learned skill as well, you'll get better over the years) — sehe 3 secs ago
 
still using enum hack, remaking std::conditional :s
 
10:09 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I have more tabs open than that all the time, and it doesn't usually take that much RAM :/
 
@melak47 VIRT or RES?
 
this is horrible
the more I scroll the worse it gets
 
@sehe what?
 
@melak47 mapped or locked?
 
10:10 AM
I don't even know what's going on anymore
 
@sehe idk
 
@melak47 ah well, then. No worries. If the disk starts rattling, you'll know
 
@sehe my page file is on my SSD, I'm afraid there'll be no rattling if that's what you mean? :E
 
I should sleep.
Work in ~3 hours.
Nighty.
 
@melak47 your wut!? that's a damn waste of perfectly good SSD
 
10:12 AM
night
 
@Rapptz oh lol. that's gonna hurt. Sleep well
 
@sehe you guys yell at me when I accidentally turn my page file off, you yell at me when I don't, make up your mind! :p
 
@melak47 well, keep a page file if you have to. But remember that, if you have to, you deserve many kinds of pity :/
 
template<class Pred>
struct eval_assert {
    typedef typename extract_assert_pred<Pred>::type P;
    typedef typename P::type p_type;
    typedef typename ::boost::mpl::if_c<p_type::value,
        AUX778076_ASSERT_ARG(assert<false>),
        failed ************ P::************
    >::type type;
};
wat da fuq.
 
@sehe having one has stopped windows from telling me "your performance is low" while running games :/
 
10:13 AM
@melak47 download more ram bro
 
@A.H. I have 16GB :p
 
@DeadMG That's for increased visibility in error messages.
 
@melak47 why the hell do you need a pagefile
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes 2013 RC barfs on it
 
7 mins ago, by melak47
Chrome: Are you sure you want to open 59 tabs?, Me: Yes, RAM usage goes from 3 to 14 GB
 
10:14 AM
@A.H. because otherwise windows goes "your performance is low! turn off aero nao!" every 5 minutes with some games.
 
WTF and windows tells you to use SWAP?
Look my system is using a huge amount of RAM now, and it's only because I have Windows running in a VM
 
OMG the Win8 task manager actually looks awesome.
 
@sehe no, but it shuts up if I have a pagefile :&
 
well chrome does have high mem usage, but 59 is a bit excessive
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes except for the ugly brown color for the network graph :E
 
10:16 AM
@A.H. No, it's not.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It does
 
well it is for me with my 4 GBs of ram
 
@melak47 It's so awesome I forgot what I was going to do with it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you were gonna look at the CPU frequency go all over the place all day
seems like 1/3 of the tabs are either not rendered at all, or are half broken and have content of other tabs in them. the hell chrome
 
10:20 AM
I'm not an administrator. We're all here to help. And I don't intend to act as a bully. I'm also not trying to act as a lovely grandma. — sehe 19 secs ago
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you must really h8 chrome
 
^ erm. I was strong worded, but it still tastes as if the guy just doesn't want to reflect.
@A.H. On the contrary. We "h8" reddit speak :/
 
JBL
Oh so raw pointers can't be used directly as iterators... Can't they be considered as random access iterators ? (I feel it's terribad, but I'm curious and I like black and heretic magic).
 
@JBL They are RA iterators
 
JBL
Yep, but the way the std lib defines iterator, a function from <algorithm> for example won't accept a raw pointer when it expects an iterator.
 
10:22 AM
@A.H. Not my fault. Chrome sucks and people keep giving me opportunities to mention it.
 
@JBL Yes they will.
 
JBL
Oh...
Then I must have missed something...
 
@JBL Pointers are iterators.
 
JBL
@R.MartinhoFernandes I know
 
Is your confusion about value_type and so on?
 
JBL
I may just be dumb and my SSCCE is just plain bad.
 
lol facebook's ipv6 address has face:b00c in it
 
@JBL Pointers are the model of Random-Access Iterator.
 
@A.H. geeks
 
JBL
Yeah, that have must been that, I finally made it work.
Thanks !
I think I should really learn the differences between the different kind of iterators, once and for all.
 
10:37 AM
alright
now I have an error deep in the guts of MPL.
what da fuq do I do.
 
Xeo
You also have an error deep in the MPL of your guts
 
yep.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG invent template debugger
 
well I guess the first thing to do is check if that file compiles with VS2012
oh, yay.
since I installed VS2013 RC, VS2012 can't load.
 
Xeo
haha
 
10:44 AM
alright
let's whip out the desperation and try to compile that file with Clang.
this is going to end badly.
yep, crashes the IDE still
ah, one thing I do like about VS is how you can set the newer IDE to use the older toolset.
 
Is VS2013 even worth it?
 
1>------ Build started: Project: Semantic, Configuration: Debug Win32 ------
1>  Type.cpp
1>d:\backups\code\wide\wide\semantic\type.h(122): error C2440: 'return' : cannot convert from 'Wide::Semantic::DeferredExpression' to 'result'
1>          No user-defined-conversion operator available that can perform this conversion, or the operator cannot be called
========== Build: 0 succeeded, 1 failed, 0 up-to-date, 0 skipped ==========
thanks visual studio!
you might want to mention the template instantiation stack that gave that error.
 
Xeo
-Wfatal-error !
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun It dies on Boost. I think the Boosties used a workaround for VS2012 that they should not have done.
 
10:55 AM
@DeadMG Considering my dependence on Boost in a lot of places, I guess I can wait it out :X
 
Xeo
I still can't believe the Asio guy put an unprotected constexpr into a header.
 
user1804599
Man.
 
user1804599
I just spoke to an ex-classmate who's doing second year now.
 
user1804599
They get UML. So glad I guit.
 
11:11 AM
@DeadMG hahahhahahaha welcome to my world.
 
lol
 
@DeadMG Ugh, that sucks so much.
Oh you mean not a macro?
 
Xeo
no
plain constexpr
for the use_future stuff :(
 
And why is that a problem? hehe
 
Xeo
:|
 
11:16 AM
lol
 
@DeadMG your code failed lol
 
> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages
Why, thank you apt-get.
 
Do the same but with aptitude.
 
Waiiiiit.
apt-get install libc++ treats it as some sort of regex but not really and selects about a zillion packages that start with "libc"
WTf.
 
Xeo
lawl
libcxx? :P
 
JBL
11:25 AM
Oh crap. Confronted with a design problem, the solution that comes to mind looks like a singleton...
 
Xeo
Do you still have warranty on your brain?
 
@Xeo Yes.
 
@Xeo "warranty"?
 
Xeo
meh
 
I'm teaching C++ to a friend soon. I hope I can do this right. :|
 
11:28 AM
@LucDanton Do you have a PPA or something?
 
No I build from trunk.
 
@StackedCrooked but I'm sure I copied and pasted it correctly from my stomach code.
 
Meh, that sucks.
 
Xeo
heh, same
 
what, my terrible sickness or my terrible joke?
 
11:30 AM
I need to figure out how to get grub2 going on this thing so I can install Gentoo.
@DeadMG Nah, building from trunk by hand.
 
@not-rightfold And now you will be incapable of producing sequence and entity relationship diagrams for documentation. Great!
 
eh
I ate a cheese sandwich
now looking forward to hours crouched over the toilet.
 
Or...... Maybe I could take over a whole disk and MBR it instead of GPTing and just use normal no-UEFI GRUB.
Hmm, that actually sounds like I can pull it off.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You know what they say, a picture is worth a thousand words. Unless that picture is UML, in which case it's worth a thousandth of a word.
 
A picture is worth a thousand words? Is that why you are spending so much time looking at pornography?
 
11:42 AM
I wonder if I can tokenize an entire language by taking advantage of weird-ass locales, std::istream::imbue and std::getline ;o
 
UML sequence diagrams are ace
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit they are ace?
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun What language?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes A relatively simple one like Lua would be a good start
Might be fun to try :o
 
user1804599
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I totally can't make ERDs because I haven't had UML class.
 
user1804599
11:48 AM
Right.
 
user1804599
> This service does not scale for High Availability on the dotButt Platform. Please do not use this service if your application requires High Availability.
 
user1804599
lol
 
user1804599
PostgreSQL isn't web scale!
 
WTF is dotButt?
 
.NET -> .NUT -> dotButt?
 
user1804599
11:51 AM
Oh wait.
 
It's the only explanation.
 
user1804599
I use a Chrome plug-in that replaces "cloud" with "butt".
6
 
cloud cloud cloud
 
There's a cloud outside shaped like a butt.
 
11:57 AM
@not-rightfold This app runs in the butt.
 
I'd replace "cloud" with "not-appearing-in-this-text".
 
Why would libc++ try to use an allocator<tree_node<T>> to construct a T?
 
Xeo
Because it can
 
Oh wait, found it.
Btw, $ mv foo/{bar/,}qux is genius.
 
user1804599
I do that all the time.
 
Xeo
12:06 PM
Y'know, it's a missed opportunity that Kleisli composition uses <=< and >=> instead of <.< and >.>
2
 
encapsulation is for wimps, right? — doctorlove 20 mins ago
^ ow fat burn!
 
sbi
@melak47 There's no hate involved here. As I said, I grow them in my garden. I just cannot eat them, they threaten to return from my stomach to where they come from back up exactly they way they went down. And the same is true for my boys (though, as I understand it, not as badly as for me).
 
user1804599
@Xeo >.> it's fine this way.
 
Hey, did anyone know that the first OO language was Simula?
It was created way back in '67
 
How fascinating.
 
12:13 PM
@GamesBrainiac Yup
 
@sehe I thought it was smalltalk
But it was the second one.
 
Quite an apt name too, don't you think
@GamesBrainiac Really? I thought it was much later
 
@sehe It came out in '71
 
oh well
 
Which is more bad architecture for web services, RPC of REST, for nowadays requirements of the web projects development?
 
12:14 PM
RPC != web services, by most definitions
 
I think the idea of OOP has been "invented" independently many times.
 
@StackedCrooked I think so too. I think C++ was the language that made it mainstream
 
sbi
No, the question is not how, but why do you want to return a pointer? You might want to open a good C++ book. References are taught early on, and are essential for the language. And please also read this nice essay (PDF) on why getters and setters aren't OO, but an abomination. — sbi 3 mins ago
 
@sbi Whoosh is the sound that will make
 
sbi
@sehe It's not just the guy who asks the question. Also consider the others who come by and share his POV. Some of them might have second thoughts after reading this.
 
12:17 PM
@sbi I do :)
 
sbi
@sehe You do have second thoughts?
 
@sehe by what exactly? Many WSDL SOAP-based services are defined as Web-Services, aren't they? Also other XML-RPC like
 
@sbi ...
 
@sbi tell that to my uni they are all about getters and setters
 
@GeloVolro So, that's not RPC (of the DEC/MS-RPC variety)
 
12:20 PM
@A.H. Keep slapping them with printed quasiClass.pdf until they get it :D
3
 
RPC is broad, but usually applies to binary application protocols. This is not usual for webservices (web says it: it implies the fabric that spawned http, smtp, nntp, soap etc)
 
user1804599
@A.H. My teacher claimed that you must make public getters and setters for every field.
 
> Help us translate BitBucket to German.
Thanks for the compliment, but my German is not that good.
 
user1804599
@R.MartinhoFernandes Help who?
 
BitBucket.
 
user1804599
12:29 PM
Seriously? They can't spell the name of their own product?
 
@sehe RPC normally involves two pieces: a definition of how data will be transmitted over the wire, and an IDL to produce proxies/stubs for use within a programming language. Web services generally include the former, but not the latter.
 
If I have time to watch one or two talks from GoingNative, which ones should those be?
2
 
JBL
@sbi I finally have something to throw at someone when I don't want to spend time explaining that ! :D
 
Thrift, however, adds an IDL->stub/proxy layer that (I believe) works with a fair number of web-service protocols.
 
JBL
I should send that to my Java teacher.
 
12:34 PM
I have made a pure C++ RPC lib at work. It doesn't really interop with other languages though.
 
user1804599
OTP has a nice RPC module.
 
@JerryCoffin That's the point I was missing. Thanks
@NikiC Sean Parents first talk (Seasoning C++)
 
JBL
@NikiC I'd consider "Don't help the compiler" by STL
 
The second was a bit of a let down (it was basically 20 minutes more of the same as the 3rd part of Talk 1. Supposedly at lightspeed, but that's just 196 slide of which 30% were just animation steps to do ... scrolling of the code sample :D)
 
user1804599
Omg.
 
user1804599
12:38 PM
I just learned about % in Vim.
 
user1804599
It's everything I've always wanted.
 
Xeo
:%?
 
user1804599
@Xeo v%, d%, etc.
 
Xeo
oh
@StackedCrooked server.registerMethod<Increment>(int n) { return n + 1; }
That looks wrong :P
 
12:39 PM
@not-rightfold Really?
I usually use text objects instead.
da(, di(, etc.
 
@Xeo int can be replaced with Increment::argument_type
 
text objects > motions
 
@Xeo Oh, wait.
 
Xeo
Guess that should've been a lambda? :P
 
user1804599
@R.MartinhoFernandes Cooõoooooooooooooool.
 
12:41 PM
Do you have a convenient way for foo(bar) -> baz(bar)?
 
Mmh, that doesn't really illustrate what I want. Nevermind.
 
@sehe @JBL thanks
 
sbi
6 mins ago, by not-rightfold
It's everything I've always wanted.
@not-rightfold What about girls?
 
user1804599
@sbi Way less interested in them.
 
JBL
12:45 PM
@StackedCrooked What's the type which the lambda binds to ?
 
sbi
@A.H. Your university isn't like your parents, it's like your partner: You get to pick it.
@not-rightfold Boys, then?
 
user1804599
Idem.
 
sbi
@JBL "That" referring to...?
 
user1804599
Gah.
 
JBL
@sbi The quasiClass.pdf
 
user1804599
12:46 PM
Finally fixed this shit where PHP continues execution after an error.
 
@JBL std::function<typename F::result_type(typename F::argument_type)>
 
JBL
Oh wait.
 
sbi
@JBL I have been throwing this around on SO for years.
 
user1804599
And it prints a backtrace now!
 
sbi
@not-rightfold Poor sod.
 
JBL
12:47 PM
@sbi I meant that as "getters and setters isn't OOP".
Well, I didn't catch it yet it seems.
@StackedCrooked Thanks !
 
user1804599
@sbi I'm relatively rich.
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked Are you sending typeids over or something?
 
@Xeo demangled class name
 
Xeo
mh
 
not really standard, I know :/
I wish demangling was standard though.
 
user1804599
12:55 PM
Can't you use preprocessor magic instead? :P
 
Yeah, I played with that.
 

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