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02:00
CAT WHAT HTE HELL
DOn'T BLOW YOURSELF UP
JESUS CHRIST
Lol
I can destroy Cat WHAT THE FUCK HE REMADE HIMSELF
save for the bedroom kthx
cin>> input1,input2;
dafuq does this do o.O
comma operator
Lol, we won
But this is painful
@CatPlusPlus I'm gonna quit out, lol
@DeadMG yeah but in this case... whats after the comma doesnt do shit correct?
02:04
yeah it has lowest precedence.
@ThePhD Pff.
probably not
I don't know what that does.
did you miss his multiple return statements
@CatPlusPlus I quit out, lol
02:05
Heh, mine froze.
return subtract(input1, input2);
return input1 - input2;
@CatPlusPlus I think, when you blow yourself up, you're basically committing suicide.
Gee, you think.
I actually thought this button was teleport back.
It seems to teleport you back if you don't hold it for so long
I don't know, weird game.
02:06
YOu hold it for a really long time before you explode.
@Rapptz Haha I missed those. I was confused by the comma stuff.
this code's awful, there are a lot of reasons why it doesn't work
@CatPlusPlus Yeah. I wish it didn't run so slowly, though.
It seems like network play on all kinds of emulators really suck. Like no one can create an efficient networking layer.
The thing is designed for local multiplayer, syncing over network is what's killing it.
02:08
I'm not sure why it's enforcing sync so hardcore.
It should just send gamepad commands.
Because the game can't interpolate, probably.
Along with the time the button was pressed.
Do a diff and execute?
17 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
Things not designed for netplay usually suck at netplay.
=[
Hm.
I have to try networking sometime.
Make an emulator with a kaillera client.
02:13
Kaillera ?
It's the netplay client that sucks the least.
Uh.
I don't understand what you mean.
So I'm going to assume you don't emulate much
Kaillera is middleware designed to aid networked multiplayer play for emulators. The word "Kaillera" is the verlan of the French word ' (also spelled "kaïra") which is used in reference to "bad people". Unlike GGPO, a technology and program allowing emulated games to be played over the Internet, Kaillera suffers from input lag which results in the player's actions being delayed more the higher the delay in a connection is. This is accentuated by the fact that when not using the Kaillera P2P modification, two players have to be connected through a server, thus increasing the delay of th...
It's input is laggy. Hm.
for Kaillera?
02:15
That's what it says in the wiki.
When I play SSB64 in the Galaxy it isn't that bad.
the main issue is desyncing, which is a bitch.
You'd think you'd be able to set up a dedicated P2P stream between 2 people and send packets of "these were the keys that were pressed" in a time under 1/30 seconds
Not even that, you just have to send controller presses and releases.
I don't know what netplay Dolphin uses but it's not great, it's like the worst one I've ever used.
Anyway, GGPO is good.
Does IDEone have a public API?
GGPO?
02:17
@ThePhD It's used by EVO but it's proprietary; it's on wiki.
It's very specific to fighting games.
EVO didn't give it away? :D
Hel-o
I don't know what EVO is.
Its a tournament, with lots of fighting games
02:22
Oh.
or something
EVO2013 had Melee so I watched it out of interest.
@Pawnguy7 Yes.
I just watched Redbull Training Grounds. They ended the day with a match of Star Strikers (which kinda like soccer with SC2 units) and 2v2v2v2. So fun to watch
Now that I think of it, I should have realized there was an API link on the bottom of the page.
02:27
@Pawnguy7 oh hi, how's it going with the block thingy?
@Jeffrey Made a boat. That is about it.
But you know what I wanna know, don't you? :3
I imagine so :D
Still there.
Haven't done looked at it every day, though.
Usually the days I don't find bugs, I don't repeat the day after :D
Is there a language that has Main?
02:33
Uh, what?
@Pawnguy7 ?
Ah.
It was C#
Main what?
The main method?
@Pawnguy7 In Ruby everything happens within the main object which is just a modified version of Object IIRC
02:39
C, C++, C#, Scala, and Java all have an entry point called main... so your question was kind of vague
Why would you want to pass the name of the program as an argument anyway?
@Borgleader "Main"
Reasons.
Can you list aforementioned reasons?
@Pawnguy7 its main in C, C++, and Main in the 3 others iirc.
so yeah, still vague
Dispatching on program name, spawning copies of self executable, etc.
02:40
Terminating if a program of the exact same name/location is already running...
This doesn't have to be strictly in the argument array, but that's what primitive C does, so that's what others do. vOv
@Borgleader I had remembered it as Java, but C# makes sense.
@ThePhD Eh, that's usually done with pipes or whatnot.
@CatPlusPlus Happens a lot with GUI applications, though. Give focus to pre-existing app, throw away the extra one.
Yeah, but you don't need executable name for that.
02:42
@CatPlusPlus What else would you pass in? Just a giant string of all the arguments?
@CatPlusPlus Oh. What would you be the way you detect that then (without exec name?)?
Pass in what where?
@ThePhD Some hardcoded identifier on a global pipe/event/temp file.
Ah. That's probably much safer, I suppose.
@ThePhD Also I said that executable name doesn't have to be passed through arguments array, strictly.
Windows actually does pass an unmodified command line into the program, which is completely retarded and part of the reason shell ecosystem on Windows is so piss poor.
Fuck Windows console subsystem forever.
Unix/Linux modifies the commandline for you? :O
linux gives name and arguments if I am not mistaken
02:49
The process gets an array of arguments, shell is what processes it and handles wildcards and stuff.
So it's the windows Shell that's sucking the dick then?
Separation of concerns, and also gives *nix shells more freedom.
How do things... say, get compiler output?
@ThePhD The entire console subsystem. cmd.exe could be replaced if it was the only bad part.
But console subsystem is deeply built-in into the OS, and completely broken.
I guess backwards compatibility is ~~important~~
02:51
There is no hope it'll ever change.
@Pawnguy7 Pipes.
03:39
@ThePhD Actually, he has things precisely backwards. Under Windows, programmers have to do (a tiny bit of) extra work to get filename globbing when they want it. Under Unix (and imitations thereof) the users are stuck with learning 5 varieties of quoting to prevent filename globbing when they don't want it.
welp
let's attempt sleep
wish me luck
Unfortunately, users do (or at least damned well should) outnumber programmers by a wide margin, and globbing when you want it is trivial to add, while quoting when you don't is seriously non-trivial -- to the point that not even 1 user out of 100 knows all they different varieties, when they should be used, etc. Create a file named "*" in a directory of 100 other files, and ask a typical user to delete it without deleting the others. At least 99% will utterly fail.
@DeadMG Good luck with that.
@DeadMG gl
thanks
@DeadMG (open)GL
03:45
@ThePhD I award you no points for the lamest pun.
@Rapptz Well, at least it'll make @BartekBanachewicz happy. :D
Points don't matter.
All the points, all the time!
Hm.
Guys, I need a way to do compile-time access control for a class I have.
It's basically a C#-like event for C++. All the internals are working and everything is great, except...
struct Arf {
     Event<int> fire;
};

int main () {
     Arf a;
     a.fire.Invoke(); // Something other than the internals of `Arf` (member functions, etc.) can fire the event

}
04:00
Friendship based on template argument, if that even works.
Well, I can do that (in C++11) and it works
I was just wondering if it is worth the extra writing to guaruntee that kind of safety.
Probably not.
@ThePhD so ..
@Telkitty猫咪咪 All we got was a lousy fruit salad picture
@Borgleader ^ 2 x that
04:21
Fruit salad with mint.
The code in this question reminded me of some other question, I checked the OPs previous questions. He deleted his code from one of his previous questions a day after it was answered.
Maybe it was homework :P
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Oh, sac up.
All the juicy stuff is private~
juicy stuff ... was that the mint was for?
Ugh
The code won't compile. q_q
Fucking VS2013.
Yeah
Variadics still aren't stronk enough in VS2013 for variadic callbacks.
Turnning it off... =[
05:01
Woa, SGDQ just reached 100k $.
Stargate Dairy Queen?
@sehe Good idea, I'm working on my own minimal standard library now
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Q: This question needs to be reopen period!

NelDoozyWhy do we have closed-minded individuals everyone. My question and opinion was deleted without any feedback provided. Not even religious nuts are seen with that much fucking respect. I need that question reopen now. What do I do? here it is: http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/17114/defe...

Damn, anyone here have 10k on Skeptics? /cc @KonradRudolph ?
Anyone have suggestions on how to minimize C++ overhead?
I've got most needed features now and am down to 17KB, but I'd prefer it to be a max of 9KB
05:07
@Mysticial I highly doubt that's the case
OK. I'm using 2KB of RAM
That's WAY too much
Still 16.3KB of flash
....
Oo, I am buying half kg worth of camping fuel tablets from Germany on ebay :x
So um... anyone got a screenshot of the deleted question? :P — Mysticial 6 secs ago
He reposted it on philosophy!
Screencapping
05:27
@Mysticial Probably irrelevant. Given that the title is apparently "Defeating Gay arguments with simple logic", the chances of it being topical on Skeptics seems remote. Furthermore, I'd say it's borderline idiocy to think "simple logic" has much bearing on an issue like homosexuality that most people seem to view much more emotionally than logically. Logic simply isn't going to change most peoples minds a single iota.
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Q: philosophy of homosexuality detached from religious dogma?

NelDoozynote: I am not against homosexuality because I am against reproduction. But I think that the problem is that any logical argument against homosexuality brings religious beliefs in mind. There is no shame in believing a lie until you learn the truth. The success of so-called “gay rights” is an am...

And along with all that, it's a pure rant, with no question visible anywhere (well, it's long enough I didn't read every word, but it didn't conclude with a question, and nothing I read before that seemed to be leading in the general direction of a question either).
Yeah, I'm still looking for a question mark.
I'm spreading Confucianism everywhere... in Civ V
And screencap for when it will go down:
05:33
@Mysticial In some cases, you can have a reasonably legitimate question that isn't necessarily phrased as one -- a statement like "I've tried this and it doesn't work" makes it pretty obvious that the question is "how do I make it work?", even if there's no question mark. This one seems to be written as (his idea of) an answer, with no part he's willing to accept as open to any question at all.
@Mysticial wth is that , an essay?
@A.H. I'd use the word "rant" rather than essay. Oh wait, I not only would, but already did! :-)
@Mysticial What's this guy's point?
lol... I don't think anyone has a fucking clue...
Also.
> I am against reproduction.
05:38
@EtiennedeMartel As far as I can see: Gays are bad, and anybody who doesn't see them as bad, is also bad (or horribly misled by a vast right-wing Gay conspiracy to see homosexuality as legitimate, when (his foregone conclusion) it's clearly not).
Fun thing is that part:
> The key to overcoming sophistry is to simplify and clarify what the sophists have intentionally made complex and vague
He's not doing a very good job at it. The whole text is confusing as fuck.
damnit a question I was about to answer got deleted
@EtiennedeMartel By his own logic (if you don't mind my setting a new record for using the term loosely) he's a sophist and his argument is sophistry.
@JerryCoffin How ironic. And dishonest, by the looks of it.
@EtiennedeMartel I'd question the "dishonest" part (but only on the basis that he strikes me as such a drooling idiot that I entertain substantial doubt about his recognizing the falsehood of his statements).
05:43
@JerryCoffin Yeah, I always forget about Hanlon's razor.
How to get a philosophy PhD: Make other guys with a philosophy PhD head's spin until they can not longer take it.
@EtiennedeMartel s/Halon/Hanlon/
Damn typo.
I knew about Occam's razor, I'ma google this Hanlon's razor
@EtiennedeMartel Yup -- and a mildly entertaining one. Halon is a gas used in fire extinguishers for things like computers and electronics (and aircraft, which is where I first learned about it).
@Borgleader The usual wording is something like "never attribute to malice what is adequately explained by stupidity."
05:50
Alright, I'm going to sleep.
Good night people.
Burn it (see my comment for reasoning)
Good night.
06:16
@EtiennedeMartel night
hey
06:46
@ScottW Better march over there and one up ThePhD
07:02
Morning
So what?
how did the minty fruit salad go?
It was very nice.
I haven't finished all of it yet
So ThePhD went to sleep
meaning I have to wake him up
so I can take him to train station
07:20
Nice to know the 'date' worked out, I am happy for you geeks :')
Scott so direct
<3
so what exactly you up to these days?
ZOMG
you're lucky
although, how the heck have you kept alive?
Oh yea. I'm derping, too much derp storm in my house :P
ohhhh
what you selling?
naiiiccce
so I assume its been selling well?
oh
well, at least you have something
hehe
<3
oh yea baby
man, this code I wrote a few months ago is bad
Not sure what I was smoking back then
nice
what's your google mail?
so we can chat on Google, since you're not on Skype anymore.
ok
man I don't know how to use gmail.
I suck :/
ok
07:43
so puppy wasn't with you guys last night?
not last night, no
only yesterday afternoon we met up at a pub somewhere
the three of you?
hey
I though we already married once online?
he married me too
you forgot who you married?
07:48
Well this is awkward
Scott married a few ... one in each country
oh dayumn
lol
THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID DURING OUR HONEYMOON ;_;
oh baby, I still love you <3
<3
std::terminate(); // I can't live anymore ;_;
07:50
nope
he's awake
I told him
@ScottW See, he says we didn't fuck, buuuttt (fuck it <3)
@Magtheridon96 don't do it !

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