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3:00 AM
so there's no incentive to for a PC engine to be cross-platform
 
@DeadMG Using DX is seriously painful compared to OpenGL. Really -- I've done both. Even in MS's sample code that doesn't attempt to handle problems you have to in real life, still shows that (for example) the simple act of getting a surface to draw on takes literally about 100 times as much code with DX as with OpenGL.
 
@DeadMG I think Unreal did some good work towards fixing that?
 
Hm. If only I have the hardware and the time, I would have created a nicer OpenGL abstraction.
 
@DeadMG That's begging the question. Other platforms are non-PC.
 
@Mikhail I don't think so. The recent HIBs, for example, also got about 5% non-Windows.
 
3:01 AM
@DeadMG Unreal engine runs on Linux right?
 
@Potatoswatter Eh, I always think of "PC" to mean "x86 and at least of a certain degree of processing power" - i.e., not OS-specific.
@Mikhail I have no idea. That's how little anyone cares.
 
@DeadMG But now mobile devices have GPUs too, and with rapidly growing power. Consoles aren't dying either.
 
indeed
but you ain't never gonna share your OGL code between PC and PS3.
(also, consoles kinda are dying, it's really looking like this generation might be the last huzzah)
 
Eh, I never understood the market in the first place.
 
One word of some tech line dying and the whole market reacts like it's really the end.
 
3:03 AM
Mobiles are teh awesome though.
2
 
Mobile is killing keyboard. I hate mobile.
 
@DeadMG Sharing code would be handy, but it's generally more important (at least IMO) to be able to move programmers, without their having to re-learn a lot.
 
@MarkGarcia Nah, the symptoms have been there for a while- particularly, ballooning costs. Or have you not noticed that virtually every major game publisher that is not Activision-Blizzard has been bleeding money for like, five years, and even they are not looking as strong as they were?
@JerryCoffin I think that the different performance profiles of the different platforms means that you'll almost never get that- plus, of course, different tolerances. Gonna be a nasty shock if you like the unaligned integers on x86 and then you port your code to ARM (then there's things like requiring completely different UIs, etc)
 
@DeadMG I have no sense of the future for the gaming market. I do not know where the current trend would lead. What I care about is the good old PC.
 
@JerryCoffin Strange, I did not have a problem.
 
3:07 AM
It's less that consoles are dying than that they're doing their level best (and largely succeeding) at turning the PC/desktop market into a close analog of the console market. Console vendors have controlled the games published on their boxes for years, and now they're imposing the same level of control on phones, tablets, and working hard at doing it to desktop apps as well.
 
@MarkGarcia The short is that triple-A gaming in general, and consoles in particular since they don't have an indie scene like the PC does, are dying because AAA games are too expensive to make and even if you sell 2-3million units you can still end up only breaking even.
 
@JerryCoffin It's because you're forced to do the WinAPI part, which is somewhat badly coupled with DirectX.
 
@DeadMG ...and yet it happens pretty routinely.
 
the PC on the other hand, with stuff like Steam, is flourishing because basically anyone can make a game and publish on Steam.
and they can innovate and do what the fuck they want instead of having to beg Microsoft for everything
 
Things like integer alignment are almost entirely a matter of using the right compiler switches, that has little to do with a programmer's model of how things work.
 
3:09 AM
So good ol' PCs will still strive in the far future. Yay!
 
@MarkGarcia Also, the cost of R&D for new console boxes is ballooning. A lot of people think that Microsoft did not make a very big profit at all compared to their investment for the 360 because developing the box cost so much (rumoured to be billions).
the new generation of consoles, xbone and ps4, use cheap AMD chips, and AMD hasn't been competitive with Intel on performance for a very long time, so it's hard to see consoles advertising their shiny visuals
 
@DeadMG Yeah. Also, they've been subsidized by struggling microprocessor firms (IBM and AMD) who are finally giving up the ghost.
 
@DeadMG Apple already has rules that say you can't buy apps for an iPhone (For example) except from their App Store. Microsoft hasn't done that yet, but I suspect it's barely short of inevitable in time.
 
@DeadMG Ahahaha! That's also what I thought. With every consoles having AMD, I think they're also going down with AMD.
 
@JerryCoffin There's a big difference, which is that other app stores like Steam already exist for Windows and already have virtually all the market share.
if Microsoft banned Steam, it wouldn't kill Steam, it would kill Windows.
the only smart move for Microsoft would be to try and agree with Valve and start shipping Steam with Windows, or something like that.
 
3:13 AM
@DeadMG The CPU has very little to do with the shiny visuals. For the shiny visuals, the GPU is what matters. It is true, however, that both the XBox and the PS have moved (back, in the case of the XBox) to a much more PC-like architecture.
 
trying to make their own app store isn't gonna work, partly because they appear to have no idea how (see previous GFWL marketplace), and partly because anti-competition and all that shit is going to nail them ten ways from Sunday if they abuse their position to knock out Steam, and partly because there's nothing stopping their users installing Linux if they don't like Windows (for which no equivalent exists for iOS)
 
@DeadMG Maybe -- but maybe not. Apple now has a larger market cap than MS, and they continue to abuse everything in sight.
 
@JerryCoffin Apple started that way. Every user who bought an iPhone knew about the vendor lock-in before they paid up. There was no competition to kill.
 
And you know that right now, there are all kinds of things stopping people from installing Linux -- primarily that for most users, Linux doesn't work worth a shit.
 
quite true
but then, it's a lot easier to justify using Linux which doesn't work worth a shit if Windows also doesn't work worth a shit because they banned the applications you want to use.
 
3:17 AM
@DeadMG That shouldn't be relevant from the viewpoint of anti-trust regulators.
 
@JerryCoffin Nah. I actually don't know what the real difference is, but I seem to recall the EU (or it might even have been in the US) smacking Apple and telling them it couldn't be illegal for people to jailbreak their iPhones because they owned the hardware and could run whatever software they wanted on it.
that might have been just a proposed thing, though. I can't quite remember
I completely do see your point though that both Microsoft and Apple should be treated equally when it comes to this kind of thing
of course, Apple are getting fucked right now about the whole book price fixing thing
 
@DeadMG I doubt they'd outright ban the applications, at least immediately. Microsoft's obvious move would be to simply buy Valve. Then over the next several years, impose new restrictions here and there. They can afford to be patient.
 
@JerryCoffin Ah, except Newell won't sell.
 
@DeadMG There have been a few countries that have ruled that jailbreaking must be allowed.
 
they already tried to buy out Valve, I'm pretty sure
 
3:24 AM
@DeadMG Maybe -- but it's mostly a question of price. If they tried to buy before, and didn't, I'm betting it was because they decided the price was higher than they wanted to pay, not because they couldn't have if they decided it was really necessary.
 
I'm pretty sure that Newell just won't sell.
Valve's finances are private, but I believe he's already a billionaire and really does not need the money
besides, even if they did ship Steam with Windows, they'd just get slapped for being anti-trust again, like IE.
 
I doubt he needs the money, but even for a billionaire, it starts to get hard to turn down if they offer five to ten times any objective measure of the company's real value (and Microsoft currently has roughly $70 billion in cash and short-term investments they can convert to cash quickly).
 
anyway, it's 4:30 am here, and I need to try to sleep again
good night
 
@DeadMG G'night.
 
@DeadMG Good night.
 
3:30 AM
So...who do I contact about renaming declval(auto) into decval(return)?
 
Is it safe to count array size by looking at last-first index pointers?
 
@Mikhail Not quite clear what you're asking.
 
@Mikhail As long as the array is contiguous, then it's safe.
 
@MarkGarcia But they should be right? I am using this for an assert
 
@MarkGarcia Array's are contiguous by definition.
 
3:37 AM
@GManNickG Well, yeah. :)
@Mikhail Yes.
 
@Mikhail Maybe we should start with: what do you mean by "index pointers"?
 
@GManNickG Hmmm. Can I convince you that it should just be made special-case semantics of auto &&?
auto && is still made valid in a function return type, in which case it may form a reference to a prvalue.
(I.e. it's a simple, accessible idiom for returning an expired reference.)
 
@Potatoswatter Eh, not following. declval(auto) doesn't return anything.
 
@Mikhail If you mean "last index - first index", then yes, by definition that'll give you the size of the array (as a number of elements in the array). The question at that point is how you're finding the last index. Mostly you find the last index by adding the size to the base, so subtracting again either gives a tautology, or an incorrect result (if you're not getting the size correctly in the first place).
 
@GManNickG The only use case of declval(auto) that I know is in a function return type.
 
3:44 AM
@Potatoswatter Waiiiit, are we talking about the same thing?
I'm thinking of: int foo() { declval(return) x = 0; return x; }.
declval(return) being the return type.
 
declval( auto ) foo() { int x = 0; return x; }
 
Ah, so we're talking about different things after all.
So that's the syntax to deduce the return type? From the return statement(s)?
 
Your proposal isn't what's gone into the draft, and I don't think they would take it because it would play very badly with the feature they did take.
@GManNickG Yeah, same as for lambdas.
 
@Potatoswatter Not just auto? : /
 
Same rules as decltype -> lvalue yields T&, xvalue yields T&&, prvalue yields T.
 
3:53 AM
Right, but I think the syntax is clunky.
 
decltype(auto) f(/* stuff */) { return foo(bar, baz); } same as auto f(/* stuff */) -> decltype( foo(bar, baz) ) { return foo(bar, baz); }
 
Bleh. Why not just auto f(/* stuff */) { return foo(bar, baz); }?
 
Would be inconsistent with auto r = foo(bar, baz);.
I would have been okay with that though, or for auto&& to carry that meaning. Would have been okay with changing the rules for auto&& r = foo(bar baz); too if consistency was an issue.
 
What do you mean? I don't see how calling the function has anything to do with declaring it.
 
The rules for deducing an auto variable.
I'm comparing deducing the return type from a return foo(bar, baz); statement to deducing a variable from foo(bar, baz) as well.
 
3:59 AM
I see. I don't think it would be confusing, though.
Or even special-case it here.
 
Tbh C++ doesn't need to be quirkier :s
 
It's already off the deep end : )
 
d'oh, I said declval(auto) because it invokes value semantics. What a quandary.
 
Anyway, it would be neat to have declval(return) be the return type. D has it!
 
@GManNickG ...but declval is supposed to create a value of a type, not just specify the type. To just specify the type, you'd want decltype, wouldn't you?
 
4:07 AM
@JerryCoffin Yup. This entire type I've been typing declval and meaning decltype...sigh.
 
 
@Feeds That's what the Lounge is for.
 
@Feeds Fight the javascript robot
 
@GManNickG Yeah -- slipups like that had me convinced for quite a while that I didn't really understand declval completely (or even close to it). A few days ago we had a discussion here, and I said I didn't understand it, but had figured out how to make some use of it. By the end of the discussion it became apparent I really did understand it, but had been misled by discussions in which (probably) nobody involved really understood it...
 
@JerryCoffin At least we caught me being stupid, this time. :)
 
4:18 AM
@GManNickG If it hadn't been for the discussion the other day, I (at least) wouldn't have -- I'd have been more convinced than ever that it was all sorts of magic I couldn't understand at all. Much thanks to Luc and Xeo...
 
@JerryCoffin Hm. So you understand std::declval. Could you please help me? :) When should I use std::declval<T>() and std::declval<T&>()? I really have a confusion on this one.
Please. :)
Just a short note would do.
 
It's easier to explain that if you have a context/example. It depends on where does T come from.
 
OK. Formulating an example...
Though, with my current state of mind, I don't think I could make a sensible example.
 
We could go with template<typename T> void f(std::vector<T>& v); and somehow you need to compute e.g. the type of v[0] += 3?
(Obviously decltype( v[0] += 3 ) is a perfect way to do it. But this is not about that.)
 
Ah. Suppose I want to get the return type of a function given a set of types corresponding to the function parameter types, I should use std::declval<>() right?
 
4:23 AM
In that case T can only ever be deduced as a vector value type. You'd want std::declval<T&>() += 3. If it helps to keep track off, operator[] is T& std::vector<T>::operator[](difference_type);.
@MarkGarcia Not necessarily. With that scenario we know what types we're going to pass yes, but what values are we going to pass?
Do you want to introspect T value; f(value); or T value; f(std::move(value)); or f(T {});?
 
@LucDanton Suppose I really have no idea...
Like, I don't know whether they're const T&, or T&&.
Or T.
 
Nah that doesn't work like that.
Any type can be used for any value.
 
@LucDanton Yes. I'm confused.
 
See the T above here? It can be one of const T& or T&& and we still have a choice to make. Choosing the kind of value is independent of the kind of type.
 
@LucDanton So you'll just use std::declval<T>() right?
 
4:26 AM
@MarkGarcia Nope.
 
@LucDanton With decltype, I mean.
 
Nope.
 
@LucDanton ?
 
Keep in mind: an expression has two properties: type and value-category. In your example we know we have a type. But before we use std::declval, we also need a value-category.
std::declval makes it look like it accepts a type but it's a bit trickier than that.
 
Hm...
 
4:29 AM
In the T value; f(value); scenario we're using type T, value-category lvalue. We'd use decltype( f(std::declval<T&>()) )
In the T value; f(std::move(value)); scenario we're using type T, value-category xvalue. We'd use decltype( f(std::declval<T>()) )
 
@LucDanton Ah. So what form of std::declval<>() to use would depend on what I would like to pass on the function.
 
In the last scenario we're using a prvalue and std::declval can't do that. In practical term though code isn't supposed to discriminate between xvalues and prvalues and most of the time it can't. So we'd do the same as for an xvalue.
 
Am I right?
 
@MarkGarcia Absolutely.
The last piece of the puzzle is that decltype also cheats a bit and is not just about type. It's also about value category.
 
@LucDanton Ahahaha! What I was thinking all the time was what the function would accept. I did not think of overloads and related-stuff... I'm enlightened. :)
 
4:32 AM
The fact that tools like decltype and std::declval partly encode value-category information in types likely is a factor in the confusion regarding things like 'why is my rvalue reference variable not an rvalue?'.
@MarkGarcia It's important even in the face of a single overload though.
 
@LucDanton I must put that in mind. Yeah. Value-category really matters.
 
If you have auto f = [](std::unique_ptr<int>&) {}; then decltype( f(std::declval<std::unique_ptr<int>>()) ) is an error.
 
@LucDanton ...along with the fact that declaring something to be of type T&& doesn't necessarily mean it'll be an rvalue reference at all.
 
@LucDanton Yes. But putting it in the light of overloads makes the idea easier to digest.
 
@JerryCoffin Heh, two levels of confusion in my example. Value category is the property of an expression (or sub-expression), doesn't make sense to speak of the value category of a variable.
 
4:36 AM
@LucDanton That too -- except to the extent that a variable happens to be (part of) an expression. But yes, it's the expression that counts in determining the category, not the variable.
 
Also note that rules like deduction of T&& and reference collapsing rules are part of the conspiracy to make everything work. In that situation std::declval<T>() is different from our previous example.
The best advice I can give regarding generic programming is the notion of an associated expression. For instance std::iterator_traits<It>::reference has for associated expression *it.
 
Okay. I must study value-categories harder. Thanks guys. :)
 
In template<typename T> void f(T&& t); then arguably the associated expression to std::declval<T>() is std::forward<T>(t).
 
@LucDanton Reference collapsing makes me happy I happened (quite by luck) to attend Howard Hinnant's talk at the first Boostcon. The rules have changed several times since then, but he did a good enough job of...illuminating the general idea that it's made the changes and reasoning behind them a lot easier to follow.
 
Scott Meyer's lies about r-value references and universal references doesn't help much.
 
4:40 AM
@MarkGarcia lol
@JerryCoffin First? When was that, 2007?
 
@LucDanton Umm...that sounds about right. I can barely remember what I had for breakfast this morning though, so the only way I'd know the year for sure would be to look it up.
 
Oh ya don't bother. It's just something my brain whispered to me, I was curious to see if that was accurate. Not that curious though.
 
Already found it -- yes, 2007.
 
Does these materials reflect the actual presentations?
Nah. Needs the actual presentation videos.
 
@MarkGarcia Going from memory, but they look about right anyway.
 
4:50 AM
Is it misleading if I have both range_iterator and iterator_range? The former being an iterator for a range, the latter adapting an iterator-range (i.e. old C++03 begin/end style) to a clever range.
 
@MarkGarcia Videos were shot, but in quite a few cases weren't very good. Getting good video requires very careful balance of the light levels of the room vs. the screen. Most of them show a screen too small to read, and nearly everything else completely dark, with a speaker who becomes visible only when he happens to go over next to the screen to point at something.
@LucDanton I'm not sure about misleading, but certainly could be confusing.
 
@JerryCoffin I could do audible and understandable sound. Still searching but haven't found the 2007 ones.
 
Eh, I can keep the name bridge_iterator for range->iterator.
I'll also put it in a detail namespace. Unlike the other it doesn't need to be public.
 
@MarkGarcia As I recall, at the time they were put up semi-privately on Jeff's web site (Crystal Clear software? Something like that anyway). I think they were publicly accessible, but not linked to from anywhere, so unless you had the email with the links there was essentially no way to find them.
 
What Jeff is that?
 
4:59 AM
@LucDanton Oh...ummm...Jeff Garland, if memory serves.
 
Author of Boost.DateTime.
 
Hm. Not much in here.
 
@LucDanton Yes, that's him.
 
Found this but doesn't contain the 2007 ones.
Might be better to just read Stack Overflow posts.
 
@MarkGarcia I'm copying some stuff I have from it from my backup right now. I think it's mostly pictures I took but I may have stashed a few videos and such in there as well. Will be able to say more in a couple minutes.
 
5:11 AM
@JerryCoffin I hope you'll find some buried gems in your files. :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm having trouble with some gnarly caching.
Let's try and reify that into the range concepts.
 
@MarkGarcia Looks like it's all pictures I took. As far as Gems go....well, does this count?
 
@JerryCoffin Is that too cramped for an IDE? :)
@JerryCoffin Did you take those landscape pics yourself?
They're beautiful.
 
@MarkGarcia Hmm...only 6 megapixels, so yeah, pretty cramped. The hotel room had space though.
@MarkGarcia The ones in my album on Photobucket? Yeah. Living in Colorado makes taking pretty landscapes almost too easy -- a pretty fair percentage are just taken from my back deck...
 
5:27 AM
@JerryCoffin We've got much more cramped spaces here. Not to mention they're too plain.
@JerryCoffin Honestly saying, they're pretty good shots.
 
@MarkGarcia Thanks -- given the amount of time, effort and money I've spent on it, I'm glad at least a few come out decent. :-)
 
@JerryCoffin I presume she's your wife and he's/she's your baby? (s1212.photobucket.com/user/jcoffin01/media/_DSC3407_1.jpg.html)
 
@MarkGarcia That would be an accurate assumption (oh, and the baby's a boy).
 
Oh. This is so inspiring. Can I use it as a desktop wallpaper. Please.
So cute. So innocent of the world beyond his cradle.
I love watching pictures of babies as they sleep. They touch the innermost in me.
 
@MarkGarcia Sure -- no problem.
 
5:35 AM
@JerryCoffin Thanks! You don't know how happy I am to see those kinds of moments.
:)
 
user142019
Hello.
 
@rightfold Hi.
 
@MarkGarcia You're certainly welcome. Just for what it's worth, here's a newer picture of him, holding his baby brother.
@MarkGarcia He was so cute with his curly hair too. And I'm completely unbiased when I say that! :-)
Well, I guess I need to get some work done before I go to bed. Good night all.
 
@JerryCoffin "Unbiased"? Meh. Parent's are almost always biased when it comes to their children. Though your biased statement is very true.
 
lol
 
5:49 AM
@JerryCoffin Good night. :)
 
Xeo
6:10 AM
Morning
 
user142019
Hi.
 
Xeo
It is unexpectedly Friday already
 
Good morning.
 
Xeo
I assumed the whole day yesterday that it was Wednesday.
 
Expectedly.
 
user142019
6:11 AM
Man. I'm bored and I have a damn mountain-textured balloon in my throat.
 
@rightfold What?
 
user142019
@MarkGarcia Fucking hay fever.
 
user142019
I'm going to file a bug report with God.
 
@rightfold Request denied. .
 
user142019
GOD IS A SADIST
 
Xeo
6:16 AM
 
I always thought God was DJ?
 
Xeo
Although you could say that Haruhi is a sadist.
 
Hm. Why does meta's not have a dash between "by" and "design"?
 
user142019
@Xeo And girls can't be sadists, obviously.
 
Xeo
2 mins ago, by Xeo
Although you could say that Haruhi is a sadist.
 
user142019
6:19 AM
God is a mythical, omnipotent entity.
 
user142019
I'm a creationist. I believe man created God.
 
I thought he was a backwards facing dog?
 
@ScottW Oh god that's awful...
I listened the whole thing.
It's a big piece of crap.
I would even prefer RnB
And god knows I hate RnB
Nobody does.
That's why its art.
Was it randomly generated from 5 base riffs ?
Oh no I get it ! It is good if you are a regular user of LSD
Then you can even stand the video clip
 
Hello guys, can someone tell me what will be the equivalent of c# anonymous function in c++ (using again anonymous function) Func<int,int> square = x => x*x;? As I understood its something like that [](int x) { return x*x; } But how i call it? In c# i would just write square(2); how to call in c++?
 
@Loclip auto myfunc = [](int x) { something...; }
myfunc(42);
You need drugs to appreciate poor art as well.
 
6:28 AM
@ereOn thank you :) it was so easy :/
auto its like var in c#? right?
 
@Loclip You're just very lucky to come out here satisfied with an answer.
 
@MarkGarcia haha why that? i always satisfied when asking here
 
@Loclip Usually people avoid answering questions here. Not all people, not all the time. So you got lucky.
 
@Loclip Then you have a very high luck stat when you're born.
 
On the other hand, you came with a well written question that showed some research on your part, so that helped.
 
6:31 AM
Ok I will always write well written questions then :D
 
I dream of the day when we can return the auto type
 
@ScottW: Here is some real music to get you back on track: youtube.com/watch?v=4GuqB1BQVr4
 
Xeo
@Mikhail -std=c++1y
 
@Xeo dreams
 
Xeo
@Loclip For the future, when searching for this, search for "lambda" or "lambda expression" - that's what it's called in C++.
 
6:32 AM
If this room is not for answering question, for what it is then?
 
Xeo
Chatting?
 
yes but chatting about c++
 
@ereOn Shit! Mark that as NSFW.
 
Chatting about various topics. And arguing about repetitive music.
 
Xeo
@Loclip No
 
6:32 AM
mawning
 
morning
 
Xeo
We chat about whatever we want
 
haha why called c++ then? :D
 
Good morning.
@Loclip Because C++ is shit.
 
Xeo
@ereOn For once, GEMA saved my ears!
 
6:33 AM
And here, they talk crap.
 
Xeo
@Loclip Because we are mainly C++ guys here.
Doesn't mean we want to talk C++ all day
 
@Xeo GEMA ?
 
Xeo
Apr 29 at 0:10, by Etienne de Martel
@Johann The name of the room is Lounge<C++>. Notice the order. Lounge first, C++ second.
 
The Gesellschaft für musikalische Aufführungs- und mechanische Vervielfältigungsrechte (; GEMA) is a state-authorized collecting society and performance rights organization based in Germany, with administrative offices in Berlin and Munich. GEMA represents the usage rights stemming from authors' rights (e.g., mechanical licensing, broadcast licensing, synchronization licensing) for the musical works of those composers, lyricists, and publishers who are members in the organization. It is the only such institution in Germany and a member of BIEM and CISAC. Harald Heker is the Chief Executi...
 
Oh god crazy german words !
So much of them ! Arrrhhh
 
6:35 AM
I thought the article was on German.
 
Its in English
 
Yeah, sort-of
 
> society for musical performing and mechanical reproduction rights
by Google Translate
I need to buy shoes
 
Xeo
> “If a rights-holder has not transferred to any collecting society the exercise of his rights of cable retransmission in accordance with Article 20b, Paragraph 1, Sentence 1 of the Urheberrechtswahrnehmungsgesetz, then the collecting society that exercises rights of this sort will be considered to be entitled to exercise these rights.”
This is the worst part of the whole deal.
Seriously, the laws and contracts GEMA is built around are so incredibly infuriating.
 
I think we have something similar in Belgium
possibly in the UK too, but not sure
 
Xeo
6:45 AM
> For the public use of “entertainment” music (German: Unterhaltungsmusik) or dance music (German: Tanzmusik), GEMA assumes that all songs/tracks belong to the GEMA Repertroire by default—until such time as the user submits a completed playlist that indicates which authors are either non-members and/or which tracks are in public domain.
So incredibly irritating.
 
Javascript is having flag wars again
fuck sake
 
How so ? "My code is more ambiguous than yours !" "Yes but mine is more error prone !" "No mine is way more !"
 
Since we are on topic, ever see that ? wtfjs.com
4
 
7:01 AM
var fib = function (_) {
      for(_=[+[],++[[]][+[]],+[],_],_[++[++[++[[]][+[]]][+[]]][+[]]]=(((_[++[++[++[[]][+[]]][+[]]][+[]]]-(++[[]][+[]]))&(((--[[]][+[]])>>>(++[[]][+[]]))))===(_[++[++[++[[]][+[]]][+[]]][+[]]]-(++[[]][+[]])))?(_[++[++[[]][+[]]][+[]]]=++[[]][+[]],_[++[++[++[[]][+[]]][+[]]][+[]]]-(++[[]][+[]])):+[];_[++[++[++[[]][+[]]][+[]]][+[]]]--;_[+[]]=(_[++[[]][+[]]]=_[++[++[[]][+[]]][+[]]]=_[+[]]+_[++[[]][+[]]])-_[+[]]);
      return _[++[++[[]][+[]]][+[]]];
  }
 
yes that's gold
 
the crap???
 
A language that allows you to write that, deserves to live.
 
@TonyTheLion Is that brainfuck embedded in JavaScript?
 
I can even imagine a parser that would convert readable code into crap like that
 
7:02 AM
@MarkGarcia something like that
lol
 
Sure.
 
@ScottW If you don't mind interviewers asking you to code in it.
 
The worst thing in working from home, is that I have my gaming computer right next to me
But have to resist the temptation...
 
@ScottW lol
 
7:08 AM
I can't argue with that :)
On the other hand... no morons on the road to deal with, no smelly coworkers that talk about what they ate last evening...
By the way, I ate goat fat with butter. What about you ?
 
yiz
Going to my extreme hiking trip .. Soon will lose signal
If you do not hear me soon, I will be in the wildness doing bear gryll
 
@yiz Be safe.
@yiz I give you the permission to catch and cook any duckling you encounter. :)
 
yiz
Will try :p
 
7:35 AM
@yiz drinking your own piss?
morning chaps
 
Good morning.
 
Lol, storing a bottle of pee right next to the bottle of apple juice was not a such good idea
 
@ereOn o_0
 
@thecoshman You don't store your "stuff" for further analysis ?
 
@ereOn no... I piss in the toilet like a normal person
 
7:44 AM
@thecoshman But how then do you compare with friends/family ?
 
@ereOn no... I piss in the toilet like a normal person
 
@thecoshman What a waste. So much you could learn from it.
 
Skinned bear feet anyone? (what do you think, it's skinned bear feet)
 
@thecoshman Oh fuck. Mark that NSFW please.
 
Xeo
Since I'm having cake right now, I'll not click that link.
 
7:56 AM
@Xeo l.o.l.!
 
ohai
 
hi @not-sehe :)
 

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