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6:00 PM
Woa, Eric Harland is currently raping my eardrums. It's awesome.
 
@ScottW Java devs would be proud to have that one.
 
so. ideone.com died
 
idetwo.com also looks dead.
 
ideone.com is not "IDE One", but Italian for "great ideas"; but don't feel bad -- I only found this out last year
 
I can get to it.
 
6:06 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Seems to be working for me.
 
I can get to the homepage but the CSS was borked a few days ago, and just now I had a paste open that was a totally blank page
It was also fairly slow for me at points last month
so in a general sense I believe its reign has come to an end
 
Fick mir... How is everyone?
Too long a day and it's not even lunch time yet.
 
long day and its not even time to go home yet
 
Sad day for you. It's my off day today.
 
hmm... is it 'ok' to use operator* to provide the address of a variable inside the class...
 
6:19 PM
What
 
wait, I meant operator&
 
37 secs ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
What
 
derp :P
 
@thecoshman What exactly do you mean by "okay"? The compiler will allow things like that, but it's rarely a good idea.
 
What are you trying to do?
 
6:23 PM
@JerryCoffin yes I know it can be done. I think in this case it is ... sensible to do so
 
Ell
@thecoshman you mean like if it's a smart pointer?
 
This wrapper class will often want to be used in a 'I need the address of what you are wrapping' sort of way... so I could either provide a 'get_address_of_wrapped_value()' 'operator wrapped_value_type()' or 'operator&'
at least, as far as I know
@Ell more or less
 
well
strictly, the Standard Library is guaranteed to be operator& overload safe (i.e. use std::addressof)
but there are gonna be a bunch of cases where you and third-party components which haven't been updated are going to have an unfortunate surprise when dealing with an operator& overload.
 
@thecoshman unique_ptr and smart_ptr don't do it
 
oh, the type I am wrapping is well known...
 
6:28 PM
@thecoshman Hmm, I once wrote something for that using code provided by @DeadMG.
In order to pass unique_ptr to something expecting a T**.
 
I just don't think I want to have wrapped.getAdress() everywhere, when I could have &wrapped
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah, I used a proxy object kind of thing that, when destructed, inserted the new value.
 
though I could have a conversion operator to allow implicate conversion to right type...
 
much safer than directly providing the address.
 
Worked very well.
 
6:31 PM
What opengl shenanigan is this for?
 
id wrapper
 
Oh.
Bartek has one of those.
You can also use my handle class, if you like.
 
@ThePhD: How is building Wide going?
 
@DeadMG :3c
I don't want to talk about it.
 
he does, but we are combing ideas
 
6:32 PM
@ScottW Not a chance in hell.
VS2010, maybe, although the projects and stuff are for 2012
 
@ScottW It's remarkably faster than installing either 2010 or 2012.
 
but I have a pretty liberal sprinkling of C++11 through it
and
when VS2013 comes out with the features from the CTP, I will be updating permanently, I expect
 
Variadics are being fully fixed in VS2013.
However, using won't be supported.
 
@ThePhD Installing VS2012 is faster than installing VS2012? Wonders never cease!
 
typedef for life. <3
 
Xeo
6:34 PM
using > typedef
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Recursive speed backreference. It continues to be faster than itself until it is fast enough.
@Xeo I know, but I gotta stay ~~Portable~~
Fuck Unreal4, this giant PoS.
 
@ThePhD can you link me on to it, curious to see what you did for this
 
Can't get enough of that Ctrl+T. Thanks, R#!
 
@ThePhD Awesome!
 
@TonyTheLion strong typing?
 
6:40 PM
( It's prettier when it's separated into header files )
handle<T, TDeleter, Null_Value = 0> is the gist of it.
 
o_0 that's a lot of extra shit in there
 
It's mostly machinery for allowing you to specify a default null value for different base types, since part of the handle declaration is what null is supposed to end up being for that type.
 
LOL
> I want Tommy Wiseau to make the new Star Wars film
 
@ThePoshFerret German?
 
E.g. Window's HANDLE is a void*, but it's null value isn't 0 or nullptr (it's INVALID_HANDLE_VALUE = 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF).
 
6:46 PM
actually
it's both, depending on what function you're using.
 
@ThePhD So it's not 0 but -1? ;)
 
which is why optional<HANDLE> would be better.
 
How would optional<HANDLE> myhandle = WindowsApiGivenWrongParams( mystruct, 0, NULL, NULL ); work once the function returns INVALID_HANDLE_VALUE ?
it would still call a deleter.
 
@ThePhD It's not a pointer.
 
@EtiennedeMartel But it behaves like one; e.g., stack-destruction will still leave a dangling OS resource.
Same with a GLuint that's used for some GL function.
 
6:53 PM
yeah, your handle class there is more generic then I need to be
 
Ahh. Google has better tubes than my school:
 
@thecoshman So yeah, I'm pretty sure you can use it like typedef handle<GLuint, glDeleteShader> GlShaderId;
@Mysticial Hacker.
@thecoshman Oh, well if you say so. :D
 
Ell
@thecoshman what's wrong with my one? :P
like, seriously
as in, how can it be improved?
 
@Mysticial ISP: Google.
No shit.
 
Faster than 99% of US.
 
6:57 PM
@Ell where is it? :P
 
Ell
@thecoshman Can't remember, up in the transcript somewhere
 
@Ell doesn't exist then :P
 
Ell
okay :L
 
@Mysticial Holy shit that's awesome
 
@Mysticial Still not as good as my employer.
At least for the download and ping.
 
6:58 PM
I have better upload though.
 
@Mysticial holy
 
@Mysticial so share some stuff with us. say..some digits of pi? :3
 
Why does all technology only care about the US? Everyone else says "faster than X% of the world". American apps say "faster than Y% of the US". I notice this in tech articles too, which only report on American consumer habits and don't think about the rest of the world at all.
 
Maybe because it doesn't have info on the whole world?
 
"A survey stated that 64% of America's consumers will love this new Windows 8 UI"
@Mysticial Maybe because it thinks the US is the whole world unless otherwise stated
 
7:01 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit bullshit
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Speedtest always returns country specific results. It's not just a pro us Murica' thing.
 
I was surprised to see my ISP gets 3 / 5 stars on speedtest.net.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum .. okay, you're right.
 
Fine for my needs
 
7:07 PM
Awful.
 
Besides, It's ADSL and I'd imagine this area is pretty heavily contended
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few...or the one
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Your needs suck.
 
@melak47 \o/
@EtiennedeMartel Well I don't stream pony porn 24 hours a day
I'll be moving to cable by the end of the year; will be interesting to compare
 
my ISP is bringing 100mbit FTTH connections to a neighbouring town of 160K people...but the capital of the entire country? nahh we only get VDSL ._.
 
7:12 PM
nobody needs 100mbit
 
fml with internet at least it's fast enough to stream 1080p pony porn 24 hours a day.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum thank fuck for that
 
I want 100Mbit.
My home network will be running on fiber. 'Tis the goal.
 
if you want to support historical records of users sexes as they transition, and enter the witness protection program and get multiple birth-dates, then by all means use the 2-table structure. — Marc B 42 secs ago
@CatPlusPlus I hope your home has a good bathroom because the network will need to use it often
 
Huh. Aren't both constructors user-declared? — Johannes Schaub - litb 7 mins ago
 
i am pretty sure that those answers are obviously wrong
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit About as terrible as mine.
 
welcome to the swamp, we've got fun and games as long as you don't need to download anything
 
> SKY BROADBAND
0
A: Should i use foreign key or not

Tijesunimi Precious AmesinlolaI'll advice you use two tables

:stackoverflow:
 
@DeadMG Woah three stars
 
7:26 PM
@TonyTheLion Two and a half.
 
its fail, but its just about like my connection here :/
 
> slower than 82% of GB
:D
 
the irony is
 
woah, terribru
 
7:29 PM
they're actually better than our previous provider
 
oh gawd
> slower than 72% of GB
 
Not bad, but still, when I look at some people with 100+... -.-
 
hmmm. I live in the shitholes of shitholes apparently
 
Am I doing it right?
 
Whole two stars.
 
7:31 PM
:D
 
Must be pretty good.
 
ideone.com broken again >.<
 
Eh, where did the good ol' times when 128kbps was awesome go...
 
128kbps was never awesome.
 
Dial up modems
kill me now
They never worked half the time
 
7:32 PM
I remember the times when it was. Which is weird, since that means you should remember them too, @CatPlusPlus.
 
I remember the times when it was the only thing we got.
 
Which made it awesome.
 
eh
I remember 56kbs
 
@DeadMG I remember it, too.
 
7:34 PM
I remember no internet
I don't know how I lived
 
@TonyTheLion I don't remember when we had dialup, but I'm pretty sure we didn't have it for the first couple of years.
 
I still remember TP's dialup access number and credentials.
 
I remember my teacher having to make a schoolwide announcement "NO PHONING FOR NEXT 30 MINUTES" to get us internet.
 
hhaha
 
@CatPlusPlus Hrm, what was it, 202122?
 
7:35 PM
0202122
 
Right.
I forgot that dumb 0.
 
I remember getting my first computer with a 6GB HDD
I think it had 800Mhz CPU
512MB RAM or something
 
I remember asking my dad "how does D: partition look like?" :D
 
1
A: Why do we need to use virtual ~A() = default; instead of virtual ~A() {} in C++ 11

Lightness Races in Orbit In this post http://stackoverflow.com/a/17204598/260127, I have the comment: In C++11 you'll actually want to do virtual ~A() = default; Otherwise, you'll lose the implict move constructors. The comment is incorrect. Even defaulted, that destructor is "user-declared" (though note that ...

 
7:38 PM
I remember Windows 98 being a new thing :cripes:
 
I remember my mom using DOS mode in win98 to unpack an archive.
 
Oh I recall helping a friend with his 486 when everybody else had like 1Ghz boxes
lol
@ScottW Yea baby
 
I recall one of my friends getting a PC with Windows 3.11 when I had XP already.
 
Could anybody assist me with the Midpoint circle algorithm?
 
I loved not having computers.
what?
I remember dealing with Windows ME. :/
I actually had ME for a while, I thought I was dying.
Yes I noticed
At work still people using XP
my coworker developer was using XP till a month ago
rocking C++ in XP
He was still using the MS Office Sidebar thingy
 
7:43 PM
@TonyTheLion (me too a little bit)
 
@TonyTheLion I never not had a computer.
 
Yes ewwwwwwwwww
@thecoshman s/to/too
@CatPlusPlus Oh poor you, that's why you're suffering so much now
 
shh
 
+1 because you managed to cause wrong answers from 10k+ users. — Lightness Races in Orbit 1 min ago
:D
 
Part of the reason why I've been programming for over a decade now.
 
7:44 PM
I actually got a computer for xmas some day
 
(And possibly why my love life is non-existent.)
8
 
I think I got my first computer in 1994 or something
@CatPlusPlus I know that feel.
 
It's 10PM and it's still 30 degrees outside.
 
@CatPlusPlus That's why you're so done with it.
 
7:45 PM
I haven't even been doing it for 3 years and I've already had enough
That's why I'm learning Chemistry
maybe some day I can leave programming behind
 
You gonna cook crystal meth instead?
 
Someone probably made that joke already.
 
Yea
not just once too
I remember when IE was good. Oh wait...
 
@CatPlusPlus Hmmm
 
7:49 PM
Hmmmm
I know that feel
 
@ScottW Get a new joke already, jesus.
 
@CatPlusPlus that wasn't a joke
 
You're both bad at contextual jokes.
 
wait what
 
4 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
Someone probably made that joke already.
1 min ago, by Scott W
I've been doing it for a decade now
GET IT
 
7:51 PM
@ScottW 3.1 WTF, were you living in the stone age? I was using 3.11 :D
 
lol
Mumble anyone?
 
@TonyTheLion muhsdfugs
 
I'm using XP
 
sadly yes
@LightnessRacesinOrbit the voice speak thingy
sherz
I feel like sugar
maybe I should get some doughnuts
 
@milleniumbug 2002 called.
 
7:57 PM
@EtiennedeMartel What did it say?
 
@EtiennedeMartel 2014 is far enough. ;)
 
@TonyTheLion It just laughed.
 
hahaha
 

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