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4:00 PM
@Jeffrey syntax is awful too
 
Con cat ...
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's C++ syntax without types and with $ for variables...
 
user142019
@nil Perl has no false.
 
user457812
And barewords.
 
user457812
@rightfold That's part of the joke.
 
user142019
4:01 PM
use strict; use warnings; you noob
 
@Jeffrey no, it's not C++ syntax
 
@BartekBanachewicz Either way, it's syntax: either you like it or not. It doesn't make a language bad
 
user457812
I think it can.
 
well Perl has many other things that make it bad
 
user457812
Barewords are pretty legitimately evil.
 
4:06 PM
Syntax can make a language bad when it's incomprehensible mess.
Wrt that C++, PHP and Perl all qualify.
Though in PHP case it was more about funny inconsistencies I guess.
 
what's incomprehensible about C++'s syntax? <:]{%>;
 
user142019
DocTest is cool.
 
user142019
In Python and Elixir.
 
@melak47 To be fair, basically nobody actually uses di and tri graphs anymore.
 
but they're so pretty!
 
4:13 PM
but they're unreadable
 
user142019
Is Raspberry Pi powerful enough to play long 1080p YouTube videos?
 
no, it only has enough internets candies for short ones
 
> Internal Server Error
well.
 
user142019
That happens when you have an uncaught exception other than HTTPException.
 
no, I configured WSGI badly
 
user142019
4:17 PM
Or that. :P
 
No WSGI daemon process called 'banachewicz_flask' has been configured: /var/www/banachewicz_flask/banachewicz_flask.wsgi
 
@rightfold yes
 
user142019
Great.
 
its hardware is geared towards that
 
user142019
its
 
4:19 PM
it's great
its great hardware
it's great hardware indeed
 
you saw nothing
 
user142019
£28.31
 
user142019
That's not much.
 
for a pi?
 
user142019
RASPBERRY PI, MODEL B, 512MB
The 512MB Raspberry Pi Model B
£28.31Each
 
4:21 PM
don't forget you need an SD card and usb power adapter for it
 
user142019
That's what it says, yes.
 
user142019
I have an SD card.
 
how big?
 
user142019
16 GB I think.
 
user142019
Enough for Gentoo.
 
4:22 PM
oh right, plenty big
you know you can't just install from an ISO like a desktop though
you have to DD the install onto the SD card
raspian is rather nice
 
user142019
> The /boot partition needs the following proprietary firmware files, provided by the Raspberry Pi foundation.
 
user142019
What.
 
user142019
Why proprietary.
 
broadcom chip
IIRC
 
Cool, Internal Server Error -> Error
 
4:24 PM
AFAIK though, there is nothing that is not at least freely available to use. But you can't just do something like install from a live USB stick
 
ah fuckcrap
@rightfold how do I change my .wsgi script to that virtualenv I've created?
 
user142019
I never used WSGI.
 
I've got 27 email ids. :|
 
4:29 PM
@rightfold AHAAA! :D
 
user142019
Congråts.
 
ok that wasn't that hard
now I can totally write a cool Flask app
 
OMG this is sad, I do have lemonade in the cabinet
But now I don't feel like drinking it
 
Am I a spoilt kid if I want to drop university and study and work on the things I like, the way I like?
 
Not at all.
 
4:42 PM
can you actually afford to do that?
or feel lucky enough to be able to self sustain
 
@thecoshman Let's say that at the age of 24 I'll be able to do the work of my dad (which is not bad, It's my second choice, and I'll start with a payroll of $14/hr) and then probably take his place when he will retire. My first choice is to work with my second choice until I'll create some really good web app/software so that I'll be able to continue working on it for all my life.
 
I am feeling increasingly uneasy on the amount of time I spend on Stackoverflow related activities. Maybe I should get a perm ban and quit.
 
The current informatics university I'm attending will not help me to find a job: my job life is already planned.
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 you'll only get a new account
@jeffery well, looks like you have it all made up for you
 
When I work/study the things I like I feel good: I can stay up all night and 12 hours straight without even realizing it. And even when I force myself to sleep, my brain still goes full retard on finding new ideas and new things to implement. When I try to study something I don't feel I need, for more than half an hour, I feel miserable, I can't concentrate and it can alter my mood.
 
4:51 PM
12-0-16
I'm on fire.
 
looks like LoL masteries
 
Just played a game of LoL.
With Malphite.
 
hehe nailed it.
 
The tank that kills shit
 
4:51 PM
did you build Hydra? ( i believe I asked that already)
 
@thecoshman So sometimes I ask myself: am I bitching like a spoilt kid? Should I stop complaining and put some efforts in... studying? That's why I asked here. What do you think?
 
Nope.
But I think I should try.
I go for a ultra tanky build, usually.
 
@Jeffrey Yup, same here. I think it's like that for everyone. I'd like to do programming for a living but I still have to learn History (highschool) which is nothing but memorizing boring facts and years.
 
then you won't really kill shit.
 
Yesterday I went 7-0-6 and 5-0-4.
 
4:52 PM
If you think your current project is bad:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17125630/gui-library-how-long-should-it-take-to-write-one-from-scratch
 
So, yeah, I guess those kills are imaginary.
 
@Jeffrey Uni is generally worthless crap, though you need a degree because industry is shit.
 
well I mean you are lvl 28
 
@Jeffrey one of the things that getting a degree shows is that you can but that effort into bullshit. it's very little to do with how smart you are (or can make it look you are)
 
@BartekBanachewicz Hm?
 
4:53 PM
@EtiennedeMartel this game changes quite a bit when you start playing ranked
 
I'm lvl 21
@BartekBanachewicz Indeed.
 
oh yes fuck this was kills not masteries
 
Yes.
I carry with a fucking tank.
 
I am farming ip for Aatrox :S
 
@CatPlusPlus I'm not planning on working for third parties anyway...
 
4:54 PM
@Jeffrey ...yet
 
@Jeffrey come back after a few months of no one buying crap you write and having no money, we'll see what song you are singing then
 
@BartekBanachewicz and still I'd hope they were smart enough to test me instead of looking at a number on my curriculum
 
that's not how it works
 
Nobody cares about your grades.
 
point is some companies require a degree regardless of everything
 
4:56 PM
Also don't plan to have closed options.
 
and you don't have to tell me how stupid it is.
 
@Jeffrey lol, your so funny, you think they are going to spend more then 5 seconds looking at you if you don't have a degree
 
Because that's shitty planning.
 
@Jeffrey Degrees are shitty and worthless in as of themselves, but if you want a job, you'll probably need one
 
@BartekBanachewicz I guess I'll have to take it then.
@CatPlusPlus That make sense.
 
4:59 PM
There are exceptions though. The best programmer in our company did not have a degree and did quit university after one year
 
@thecoshman No, I really don't. I said I'd never require a degree for a company of mine (if I'll ever have one). That's shitty reasoning.
Creativeness > Knowledge. The latter can be acquired by anyone.
 
@Jeffrey sure, when it's just a few of you, with only a few applicants giving them a detailed look is ok. But when you get 100's of applicants, and actually have dead lines to meet that you can't be distracted from, you have to cut through the CVs fast. That is where having a degree will keep your application going longer.
 
Well, given that I have a degree, (as far as I know), but nobody has ever asked me to prove it, some might say that there is no downside to lying about having one. I couldn't possibly comment.
 
@thecoshman Obviously I don't have any experience on this matter, but still I'd pay more attention on "Previous jobs" or "Uncertified knowledge" more than "Degrees" when looking trough CVs...
@Tuntuni Then the world was programmed by an idiot :P
 
@Jeffrey don't forget, most CV will usually be given about a minute
 
5:07 PM
@thecoshman So...?
 
@Jeffrey I have uncertified knowledge in everything, hire me? Of all things to not pay attention to, that would be it.
 
@GManNickG Then you obviously have to answer questions I make when I'll interview you.
 
@Jeffrey something like "well, I started a degree..." just let's them move on
@Jeffrey so you'll interview everyone?
 
@Jeffrey The point of a CV is to filter you out before you take someone's time to ask you questions.
 
because I have uncertified knowledge of everything too
 
5:10 PM
Although I find that SO is sometimes more effective than a CV.
 
@thecoshman More like I watch trough 200 CVs. I select 10 for interview. D'you think the 10 I selected lied on their uncertified knowledge?
Why would people waste time on sending a CV with lies when they know they'll get interviewed and fired not taken anyway?
 
chance it
 
@Jeffrey If you can do the job, and you get an interview, you stand a chance.
 
@thecoshman Depending on how influential I am, I'll make sure all other companies will get your name under "Idiot" then. GL finding a job then...
 
@Jeffrey no body cares
 
5:14 PM
@MartinJames Then it's not time I've wasted.
 
@Jeffrey: These are all hypothetical anyway. It doesn't matter if people should care about what is on your CV, it's whether or not they do.
 
@thecoshman Other companies care about not wasting time, therefore they'll care to know if there's a timewaster that could apply for their job.
 
TBH, an in-depth examination of my CV would not get me any job - almost every company I have ever worked for has gone bust. I like to think that I was only responsible for two of the failures.
 
@thecoshman Everybody cares about what can help them.
 
@Jeffrey hint: they are your competitors, you WANT them to waste time and money
 
5:17 PM
@thecoshman That's common reasoning. I'd be more of an ally to other companies I like. Being ostile towards them doesn't make sense: keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
Power is not about how badass you look. It's about how much you can influence the people around you.
 
Until you have a big multinational corporation, nobody cares.
 
there is a difference between being hostile and not making their job easier
 
@thecoshman Either way it doesn't suit me. I want them as allies.
 
@Jeffrey bit of advise for you, don't ever try to set up your own company
 
That's crappy advice.
 
5:21 PM
that's not general advice, that's advice for him specifically
 
@thecoshman because... you think I'm stupid or naive or both?
 
You seem to take IT industry as a battlefield or something.
 
possibly the former, definitely the latter
 
You, who?
 
s/IT //
 
5:22 PM
@CatPlusPlus Well, I wasn't expecting such an anti-cynical statement from you, of all people.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Seconded.
 
I'm full of surprises.
 
If you start a company, you need someone at the top to tank the bullshit.
(Puppy, go!)
(Attack!)
Not because everyone's in IT is an asshole, but because the assholes always, always aim for the smaller organizations.
 
Returning fire.
 
And you also need to deal with all the nepotism.
 
5:24 PM
sure, be friendly with other companies, but at the end of the day, you have to look after your interests
 
The difference between "competitor" and "partner" is small.
 
@thecoshman Yeah my point was, why would I care? You haven't proven me wrong, it means you don't have a great reputation (from my point of view). So why would I consider your advices?
 
^ These fuckers are playing tonight!
 
@Jeffrey because I am not charging you for it you ungrateful shit
 
@Jeffrey You're considering dropping uni for nothing, so...?
 
5:26 PM
@Jeffrey I fail to see the logic in the "haven't proven me wrong" -> "not a great reputation" progression.
 
@thecoshman woah. calm your tits man.
 
@thecoshman Wanna help give me advice about what device to make so I can shower you with gratefulness? <3
 
@Jeffrey you asked for advice, I gave it you.
 
@ThePhD It's called My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.
 
@ThePhD no. But I would like to help you help your buddy
 
5:28 PM
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: .NET has no decent libraries [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq] [no-helpdesk]
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: puppy is bad at .NET [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq] [no-helpdesk]
 
WTF, the .NET library is like 10 or 20 times as big as the C++ standard library.
 
@thecoshman You gave me the advice of giving up because you consider me possibly stupid and definitely naive. That's kinda ostile. I replied. I'm thankfull for the rest of the discussion though.
 
@EtiennedeMartel =[ You'll never stop asking me to watch it, will you? D:
 
@CatPlusPlus Of course. He can't even use a RTB without it lagging.
Or maybe his PC sucks.
@ThePhD It took you that long to figure it out?
You don't deserve that PhD.
 
5:29 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Firstly, I am hardly the only person with that problem, I had a Google and found loads of others.
 
@DeadMG That doesn't make you any better, you know.
 
@Jeffrey I didn't tell you give up. I simply stated that lack of Degree looks bad on a CV, as stupid as it may seem
 
I almost had a Google once.
 
@DeadMG whistles
@CatPlusPlus How much is a Google?
 
@EtiennedeMartel 0_0 why am I attempting to move closer to you!
 
5:30 PM
10^100
 
@EtiennedeMartel Alot.
 
9 mins ago, by thecoshman
@Jeffrey bit of advise for you, don't ever try to set up your own company
 
@thecoshman Morbid fascination.
 
^ I'm referring to this
 
@CatPlusPlus googlewhack you mean
 
5:30 PM
@CatPlusPlus I like it.
@Jeffrey I'm referring to my penis.
 
@ThePhD He wouldn't be a MLP fan if he weren't obnoxious about it.
2
 
@EtiennedeMartel But.... but it took me years to get my Doctorate in Derping. D:
 
@EtiennedeMartel Clever.
 
@CatPlusPlus Part of the job description.
Although, I think being obnoxious is core part of being a fanboy. No matter the fandom.
Look at the Apple fans, for instance.
 
@Jeffrey oh right that. yeah, my view still stands. Either be more realistic about running your own company, or just work for someone else.
 
5:31 PM
Hint that's not a good thing.
 
@CatPlusPlus Lalalalala
 
@EtiennedeMartel they are naive more than anything
 
@thecoshman I was just listing the principles I'd use for my company and explaining why they are better than the ones that you say most of the companies use. That was all about it. I know I don't have any experience. I know I'll probably never do anything good. I know I don't write particularly good code. I know I'll probably never run a company. That was me saying my opinion. That was you saying yours. No need to feel attacked.
 
Howdy
 
Xeo
Phew, finally got my lazy ass out to the barbier and am now sporting short hair and a very short beard.
I'm anticipating my cow-worker's reactions on monday.
 
5:35 PM
@Jeffrey having good principles is one thing, yes it may even help you out as a small company working with others. But it is not viable for the long term. Ultimately you have to either try to be the best, or accept being drove out of the market
@Xeo fool!
 
@thecoshman I obviously consider your opinion to have some value, otherwise I wouldn't be talking to you right now. That was a counter attack on "you are possibly stupid and definitively naive" kind of thing.
 
Is barbier a service where you get your very own barbie made?
 
@Glitch Sure.
 
@Xeo You didn't let me pet it before you shaved it all? ;~;
 
Bin rocks at it
 
5:37 PM
@DeadMG Why?
 
Because fate decided so.
 
@CatPlusPlus It's a fancy name for a hairdresser.
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus Eh... I seem to have the word wrong.
Barber, then.
 
@cat how long you need to mix for invincible potion?
 
Xeo
5:37 PM
@thecoshman 1min
 
@Glitch Is it your first time here?
 
Full minute.
 
Xeo
Just keep mixing, it says "your arms are tired"
 
@thecoshman I like to dream :). When I'll smash my face into the market-rules wall, I'll probably change my opinion. But like any other kid, I like to think things can be changed.
 
You get "your arms are tired" message.
 
5:38 PM
oh, it auto stops :P
 
Xeo. :argh:
 
@Xeo The word you used was a French word.
Huhu.
 
How much candy/lollipops do you put in the thing?
 
Xeo
And a German word, apparently.
 
@Xeo That's a surprisingly non-angry german word.
Not a lot of K's or T's.
 
Xeo
5:39 PM
@ThePhD Guess the origin.
 
@Xeo I guess all those wars had an influence on those countries' respective languages.
 
Xeo
> Barbier (von frz. la barbe [baʀb] = Bart)
 
@Jeffrey dreams are all well and good, but (almost always) don't but bread on the table
 
Lol. Is it Polish? xD
 
Okay, so can someone direct me to a chatroom where I can discuss actual C++ then? Instead, of, you know, my haircut.
 
Xeo
 
Keyword there was 'discuss'.
 
Xeo
nobody wants to discuss C++
We'd rather discuss Haskell, Candy box, oder Wide
 
@xeo your list has no order o_0
 
STL discusses C++ on the mailing list I'm on. <333
He's so dreamy~
 
Xeo
@thecoshman So?
 
5:40 PM
Lucky I want to discuss decompiled C++ then
 
Actually, I don't want to discuss hair styles either, (as the robot well understands:).
 
@xeo how can you live with your self :P
 
Xeo
Well, not like I have a choice, eh?
 
@Glitch so... C++
 
@thecoshman true. But they can. And the definition of dream is to hope for something good to happen even if you know it probably won't. Some people live just because of them (dreams)
 
5:42 PM
@Jeffrey sure, but unless you really believe you can make it on your own, you best just stick to uni and work on that dream project in your spare time
 
@Jeffrey That's actually called "optimism".
 

<!Real> C++ Room

ISO<14882:2011> I have nothing to say.
 
@thecoshman I'm definitely planning on doing that on my spare time. And yes you convinced me to stick to uni.
 
@LucDanton Frozen room is of no use to me
 
> Well, we are a small community after all, and now it seems you have to earn your "right to ask" in the Lounge by becoming part of that community. If you don't have time for that, or don't care for that, then go on Stack Overflow instead.
 
5:43 PM
This should tell you something.
 
@Xeo The Elbe is quite wide as well, ATM.
 
Xeo
Only talking about C++ would be boring
 
If you don't give a shit about us, why should we give a shit about you?
 
Xeo
We'd be done bashing it after half a day, and then?
 
It's a fair trade.
 
5:43 PM
I can't seem to find a programmable RFID chip anywhere. =[
 
Xeo
@MartinJames lol
 
@Xeo Well, Luc does that just fine.
 
I'm a regular in the Android room. I can't exactly be a regular in every language I want to dabble in.
 
@Xeo room automatically frozen for inactivity
 
@Jeffrey don't it's a terrible waste of time :P (joking) well... it sucks, but sure as hell helps get a job
 
Xeo
5:44 PM
Agh, I should get going again, need drinks for tomorrow...
Fucking take a hint.
 
@ThePhD I told you, that is not how RFID works
 
@Xeo Drinking on sunday? Tsss tsss.
 
@thecoshman Then it's probably worth it, isn't it? Are we cool?
 
@thecoshman I knooow, but I can't find a passive thingy that's programmable either. :c
 
Yes, the hint is that this place is just a general chat, and should not have C++ in the name since it has nothing to do with it. In fact, this existence of this chartroom is probably why no other on-topic ones can thrive.
 
5:45 PM
..though 'all for less than $1,000' :)
 
@ThePhD with RFID you do not program the tag, you associate the tags ID with something.
 
@Glitch Good, we don't like on-topic rooms.
 
well, not quite true... you can get programmable tags, but that is just letting you change the ID on the tag
 
@MartinJames My wallet. x_X
 
'The tags can have up to 32 kilobytes of configurable, and encryptable, memory.'
 
5:47 PM
@thecoshman So I'd have a unordered_map of tag IDs, then?
 
your friend can use a phone yes?
 
Uh. Yes.
But it's not a smart phone.
 
is a smart phone an option?
 
Not... really?
 
why not?
 
5:48 PM
Wait, no. Actually, yes it is.
Just not eligible for upgrade just yet.
Have to wait.
 
Man, Sufjan Stevens is so fucking talented.
 
then host a site on a private lan, let his phone connect to it via wifi, use something like a raspberry pi to host it as that can also provide IO to control physical devices
obviously there is the risk that someone could in theory crack his wifi and start using this system, but you could equally spoof RFID
 
@thecoshman is that a no?
 
@Jeffrey stay in uni
 
@thecoshman yeah, I got that. I mean, are we cool?
 
5:53 PM
@Jeffrey sure
 
:)
 
(I couldn't care less to be honest)
 
Anyway, I gotta go shopping. Need food and cash. If I delay any longer, it's gonna eat into beer time. BFN.
 
o_0 dang... dragon... didn't see that comming
 

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