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7:00 PM
@EtiennedeMartel :)
 
@EtiennedeMartel it was after pointless OGL-vs-DX rant
 
I thought he only argued with people until their brains exploded.
 
well, I think I should visit the Lounge more often. it's so funny
 
@BartekBanachewicz I remember he won that one.
How do I know? Because he always wins.
@Abyx So much draaaamaaaa.
 
@EtiennedeMartel yep, that
 
7:00 PM
@EtiennedeMartel he did. Anyway, i felt bad with that and tried to improve my discussions. He unplonked me after a while.
 
@BartekBanachewicz You'll always be my favorite fanboy.
 
@EtiennedeMartel note how I now say "Opengl is amazing/better than DX because"
 
hm...
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yes, and then dismiss any argument in favor of DX as being irrelevant.
So, yes, you're a fanboy.
 
who was that Lua faggot?
 
7:02 PM
You consider "good for me" as being equivalent to "good for everyone".
@Abyx Bartek.
 
@ScottW I don't even know him :(
 
And he's not a bundle of sticks. He's a human being.
 
@EtiennedeMartel ah, yes.
 
lol
 
@Jeffrey So young, so inexperienced.
 
7:03 PM
@BartekBanachewicz please say it about Lua. like "lua is good because..."
 
You weren't there in the War.
 
@Abyx that would be a long list
 
@EtiennedeMartel I'm pretty sure you weren't there either :P
 
@EtiennedeMartel irrelevant :)
 
where did Domagoj disappear to again anyway?
 
7:04 PM
yeah, with length of -1 (0xFFFFFFFFu)
 
@Abyx um, no. first five would be "small memory and disk footprint, easy to learn, easily embeddable, extendable syntactically and fast"
 
@BartekBanachewicz Purrformance.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Ponyformance.
 
Speed is irrelevant.
(See? That I word).
 
Cat++ would say ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~PERFORMANCE~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
7:06 PM
@EtiennedeMartel hurr Prolog durr smalltalk.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Also, wanna know what has all those features? C.
 
@EtiennedeMartel C is not easily embeddable, not easy to learn and not extendable
 
I still can't believe they killed off 3D Mario :(
I'm seriously still bummed over this
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's the easiest thing to embed! Just link it.
Bam bam.
 
they did?
 
7:07 PM
@EtiennedeMartel yeah, sure. What if it crashes?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Why would it crash?
 
@Pawnguy7 Yep..
 
Also, it's easy to learn, if you already know C++.
 
@EtiennedeMartel because it's something you embed, hence not trust completely. I am not talking about merely linking in the code.
 
The newest 3D Mario is a copy of New Super Mario Land or whatever.
 
7:08 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Lua is easy to learn as the first language
 
@BartekBanachewicz Ruby too.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I am not saying it is not.
 
What I'm saying is: none of what you're saying is relevant. What matters is business.
 
Lua is used worldwide
 
So is PHP.
 
7:09 PM
mostly in games industry, of course
 
Shame that lots of universities teach Java first
 
@EtiennedeMartel which would lead us to either a) PHP is good b) business is not relevant
 
Xeo
Intermediate conclusion: Testsubject B still bad at argumentation.
 
@Magtheridon96 doesn't really matter what they teach first. they'll still teach java and then do everything ever in java because "you all know java" ._.
 
I am not sure how, @Xeo. He said "business", then said that PHP is used worldwide.
 
7:10 PM
They announced Wii Fit girl for smash?
?______________________?
 
~! Death to Java !~
 
@BartekBanachewicz No.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz That's exactly the wrong way around.
 
Your logic is so fucking weird.
 
2 mins ago, by Etienne de Martel
What I'm saying is: none of what you're saying is relevant. What matters is business.
 
Xeo
7:11 PM
Either a) PHP is good (pfft) or b) Business does matter, why else would PHP be used?
 
ahm.
so that statement has nothing to do with language being good or not
 
Here's what matters: a language is a tool. The decision to use Lua is: does it allow us to solve the problem at hand within the constraints that we have to face?
 
so why the fuck mention it if we are talking about if Lua is good.
@EtiennedeMartel it is used, so yes.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Wrong answer.
Because you're implying that this is true for every problem.
 
fuck no.
 
Xeo
7:12 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Your argument was that Lua is used worldwide. His counter-argument is: So is PHP.
 
I don't get it.
 
Xeo
Really, you're throwing hollow phrases around.
Or atleast that's what it feels like to me.
 
what's hollow :/
 
Nobody gives a shit about whether Lua is good or not. What matters is: is it useful for the current problem using the current constraints.
 
PHP is the most beautiful language ever <3
 
7:13 PM
that depends on the problem, of course
 
No language is good by itself.
 
and I said that Lua is good for games. And it's used in games.
 
Xeo
PHP is good...
...at being bad.
 
@BartekBanachewicz So don't talk about it like it's a fucking bullet point list of generic "good things".
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz You're drawing conclusions from nothing.
 
7:14 PM
I see beauty in flaws
 
@Xeo PHP is a perfectly reasonable business choice because of how easy it is to find programmers, libraries and documentation.
 
@Xeo FUCK ME SO HOW THE FUCK I CAN draw conclusions from anything
because when I say "it's used" you say it doesn't matter
 
@ScottW Mom is that you ;.;
 
@BartekBanachewicz what games?
 
when I say "it's good" you say "for what problem"
 
7:15 PM
@Abyx I can think of WoW.
 
and then I say "games" and you say "Irrelevant"
 
Xeo
Yeah, WoW is a big one that uses Lua for interface.
 
@Abyx World of Warcraft and League of Legends are the biggest ones
 
When you need a scripting language that's easy to embed and is widely known, you pick Lua.
 
@EtiennedeMartel yeah. that's the only game which uses lua I know
@BartekBanachewicz only ones?
 
7:16 PM
@Magtheridon96 Or Flash.
 
@Abyx no, the biggest ones
 
Xeo
Computercraft (Minecraft mod)
 
Minetest uses it too. (Minecraft remake)
 
@EtiennedeMartel That could work
 
7:17 PM
@Xeo that will sure come in handy, thanks
 
there are a lot of games. e.g. games based on Unreal Engine. do they use lua?
 
@Abyx no, UE uses Unreal Script, it's their own language
 
@BartekBanachewicz ah, right. I wonder why
 
@ScottW well then we can't argue about languages whatsoever
 
@BartekBanachewicz Exactly.
 
7:17 PM
maybe because Lua is no good?
 
@Abyx because they made their own language? Damn are you really that stupid?
 
In my engine, I'm providing two ways for development: Either you use Lua, or you use a structure similar to that on scratch.mit.edu to pull it off
And that structure gets preprocessed to Lua of course
 
@BartekBanachewicz The way you talk about Lua, it really seems like it's your golden hammer.
 
@Abyx maybe because for their engine they wanted their own language.
@EtiennedeMartel I like and use other languages, so I wouldn't say so. Also note how I always said that Lua is best for hybrid apps, in which only a part is in it.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Again, "best" depends on context.
 
7:19 PM
but of course
 
If you think it's always good in that situation, then you have a case of the golden hammer.
 
@BartekBanachewicz but you know, it doesn't look like Lua. If Lua was that great, they'd use something with similar syntax, or API
 
@Abyx why the fuck would they use something similar to Lua if they are making their own language?
it's their language.
@EtiennedeMartel Lua is not a good tool for every software project.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz He's reversing that question: Why would they make their own language if they could use Lua? (Not that I particularly agree with the way he is argumenting.)
 
7:21 PM
2 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@Abyx maybe because for their engine they wanted their own language.
 
@Xeo or make their own language which would look like Lua
like J**a looks like C, C++
 
what's the point of making a language that's exactly the same as other language
@Abyx I call bullshit
@Xeo and a big goal for UnrealScript was Kismet, so it might have a big impact
also I suspect "use-own-language-to-bind-programmer-to-one-tool" trend here, too
Like MS-C#, Apple-Obj-C etc.
 
no, it's not that.
 
@Abyx because you said so?
 
UnrealScript is good, and Lua is bad. that's the reason.
 
7:23 PM
i am done.
i mean I can read the same bullshit over and over
 
Just call it ****. We'll know what you're talking about.
 
but that's the last bullshit I will ever have to read from him.
 
if UnrealScript was opensource, who would use Lua?
 
only C faggots.
 
7:24 PM
let's talk about Ice cream
 
and Bartek, maybe.
nope
why would I?
 
Wait. The XB1 turns on when you talk to it? Doesn't that mean it is always on?
 
@ScottW I am particularly bad at detecting trolling, so I guess it's his problem now.
@Pawnguy7 XB1?
 
@ScottW yeah, I do
 
I forget what the acronym was.
IT IS Xbox One, though, right?
oh
 
7:26 PM
@Pawnguy7 ...
well most of modern devices remain on standby
i don't see why it should be different
 
@Pawnguy7 do often talk to it?
 
what?
see? I am bad at it.
i have two exams tomorrow
first at 7:45am
 
is 0! = 1?
 
@Jeffrey it's commonly assumed it is 1
 
Good...
 
7:28 PM
@ScottW numerical methods (which i don't really need to pass so fuck it, i failed the subject already) and Artificial Inteligence
 
hi Lion.
 
Man, that was an epic nap
@BartekBanachewicz hi
 
@BartekBanachewicz woah, what? AI Programming?
@TonyTheLion I know the feel
 
@ScottW oh baby, you're too good for this world. <3
 
7:29 PM
@Jeffrey exam has no programming, but laboratories did, yeah
@ScottW A* is funky
 
@BartekBanachewicz what language?
 
@ScottW lol, that's hilarious
 
@Jeffrey Prolog (<3) and C++03
or maybe I should say MSVC2010
 
@Jeffrey yea, I don't know why I'm so tired when I come home every night
is programming really that tiring?
 
7:30 PM
so it isn't just me?
 
@TonyTheLion if you use your brain while coding then yes.
 
@Jeffrey If I don't, then shit never works
but you're special baby.
 
@TonyTheLion I like to think that programming also helps you lose weight. You know: brain works -> brain consumes fat -> you are light like a pony...
 
where to find recursive function for merging 3 sorted linked lists?
 
7:33 PM
@ratkoratko :get out:
 
here is for TWO lists recursion codepad.org/F8Uan6N8
 
@ratkoratko you can write it
 
I need for 3
 
@ScottW that is a good idea
 
@ratkoratko so merge the result of first operation with a 3rd list
 
7:34 PM
if puppy was here, he'd have binned this shit
 
why can't you call it twice?
 
thats not optimal
 
assuming merge returns a list, merge(merge(a, b), c)
@ratkoratko and why should I care if it's not? It will work
 
@ScottW so how's your day?
 
His day is filled with love
 
7:35 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I was expecting a Lisp dialect as an answer :(
 
@Jeffrey I am afraid that I will have to change that in my profile, because I don't really do much Lisp lately
but Prolog is funny too. It's like a logical puzzle
 
This guy is picks up a 30 kg rock and holds it while jumping into the ocean from an artificial island. Because that's the fastest way to reach the bottom.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'll try that out
@BartekBanachewicz Was that class interesting as it seems?
 
@Jeffrey hm, genetic algorithms were quite cool.
I spent 6 hours at home after classes playing with them, so I guess yes
I didn't like other stuff we did as much, but it wasn't bad either
please someone bin him. and that message too.
@Jeffrey you will feel like hitting your head against the wall, and it will finally "click" :)
 
7:39 PM
5 messages moved to bin
 
Ah, Tony, I forgot you were an owner.
 
1 message moved to bin
 
@BartekBanachewicz You got me curious :)
 
@EtiennedeMartel don't forget it :)
That flag fag should STOP
 
@Jeffrey it's the point when you realize that, for example, sin(0, Y). will be true, when Y will be 0 :)
 
7:41 PM
bartek has manners like a Taliban lol
xD
 
@ratkoratko Ha ha ha. No.
You can shut up right now.
At least until you've read that link I've sent you.
 
Quit reporting things, be less sensitive.
== Annoying
 
@Chris Tell that to the newcomer.
 
@ratkoratko FUCK OFF.
 
Wow, that's annoying.
 
7:42 PM
is that really needed to get you to see you should go away?
 
> If you don't have time for that, or don't care for that, then go on Stack Overflow instead.
 
@ratkoratko Grow up and get out...
 
Newcomer: wash it off and put it back in. No one cares.
 
Alright, let's test something.
 
Talibans? lol
 
7:43 PM
Can everyone flag this message? Thank you.
 
@BartekBanachewicz sin( x, y )? I might be tired, but what is y supposed to be?
 
@EtiennedeMartel i have another idea. What about linking to JS link that automatically flags that?
 
> This user has been automatically suspended for posting inappropriate content and cannot chat for 29 minutes.
Hey, it worked! Focused flagging works! /cc @Mysticial
 
@EtiennedeMartel worked well, I'd say
 
@Jeffrey mathematical sine function. Sorry, maybe it's a bad example
 
7:44 PM
Only 29 minutes?
 
@Magtheridon96 this can stack
 
@Magtheridon96 Better than nothing.
 
its not about "focused" flags
 
Well, yeah.
 
each flag will be prompted to each 10k+ user
 
7:45 PM
@Magtheridon96 I don't think it will ever come back...
 
@WarrenFaith Every time we try to suggest a better solution on Meta, it gets shot down.
So, until then, flagging will be our only way to deal with obnoxious trolls.
 
10k+ for flags is enough, there are always enough of us online
 
@ScottW have more love <3
@ScottW No.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Wait, we can't just kick someone?
 
@ScottW It has some slight advantages though.
@ScottW being able to click "valid"
lol
 
7:46 PM
@GManNickG nope
 
"kicking" doesnt work, you can make the room to a gallery and silence people, but you cant kick
 
@Jeffrey you must be new here
 
Wow, that's a bit silly.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, of course it is, but doesn't it accept only the angle? What's the second parameter?
 
not silly, the idea is to be open to everyone
 
7:47 PM
@WarrenFaith That's a silly idea.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Those kind of people usually get tired pretty fast
 
@Jeffrey it's a return parameter. void sin(float x, float & y); I mean it works like one
 
and you can punish people and if someone is really out of order, a moderator can punish/silence someone for way way longer
 
@GManNickG Nope.
 
7:48 PM
@ScottW <3
 
longest time I see was complete deactivation for more than a month
 
@Jeffrey but you gotta grok the fact that it will actually return true for a matching Y, not return value to variable Y
 
even on SO, not only chat
 
@WarrenFaith That's overkill, and it's built on the assumption that everyone is a troll unless proven otherwise.
 
@BartekBanachewicz right. Now it make sense
 
7:48 PM
well, it works for the android room
room 15 :D
 
@WarrenFaith I was about to ask which one.
 
we have quite a high standard and we punish hard....
 
Anyway. Coffee time.
 
but we are troll free :D
 
@WarrenFaith we did try it, but some of the regulars objected strongly
 
7:51 PM
well we are closer there than you can get here.... we build a small internal community there
we let people in, but they need to fit and they need to follow the documented rules...
 
@WarrenFaith regulars are quite close here
me and @ScottW are close
 
@TonyTheLion hey! stop talking to new people
 
I don't doubt that, I just don't know you :D
 
:O socking!
 
@ScottW <3
@thecoshman lolwat? What reference don't I get?
 
7:52 PM
in general I like a bit quiter chat room
mainly because I tend to read every message and getting a coffee with the result of 200+ missed messages... no thanks :D
 
@TonyTheLion trying to keep you to from getting lead astray
 
anyway, I am out again...
cya, enjoy the day!
 
@thecoshman oh
 
@ScottW community small FTFY (not really)
 
@ScottW but I am supporting our small community
been doing so for over 3 years
@ScottW lol
 
7:55 PM
one day @tony might learn to stop trying to take me seriously :P
 
@ScottW apparently, I have taught you well. :)
@thecoshman offs
 
|O|
 
@EtiennedeMartel so, do I have a new job yet :P
 
@thecoshman they need to interview you
and shit
 
7:56 PM
nah, just give me job
 
yes, take a dump
can feel good
 
you can't make an important decision when you need to take a dump
 
@ScottW you put in an application?
@thecoshman you always should masturbate before making a big decision.
@ScottW lol
I fail
 
@TonyTheLion I heard that people are less ethical when sexually aroused.
 
7:58 PM
I nearly found the JS code that does the flagging
shouldn't take much more
 
@TonyTheLion ... two birds one stone o_o
 
@EtiennedeMartel that's why you get it off and then make decisions
 
@EtiennedeMartel SHUT UP AND SHOW ME THE TITS!
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