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5:00 PM
@Xeo ;~;
pls no
 
But yeah the way I had in it my head was different
:P
 
@Crowz Logic and abstraction is math
 
What did the version inn your head look like?
 
Still cool though
 
@CatPlusPlus no. It's not. That's completely different
 
5:00 PM
Also you need to be able to learn new things quickly
 
hmm
 
And you're very good at learning things
 
I can do something better even in Wide, I think
 
Writing is abstraction and has nothing to do with math
 
although I don't have operator| yet.
 
5:01 PM
@Crowz What
 
@CatPlusPlus you said abstraction is math, which isn't true. Writing is a form of abstraction which has nothing to do with math.
 
Still, w/e, your original question is really dumb
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Than what?
 
@Xeo ThePhD's range stuff up there.
 
Well what's a good field to specialize in purely for the sake of getting a job?
 
Xeo
5:02 PM
Please, if you do list-comprehension, have language-level sugar for it
 
right now I have this
but obviously it needs a bit more sugar
 
@Crowz Retail
 
GNOME vs KDE.
Tough call.
 
Xmonad
 
Can install both though.
 
5:03 PM
one that pays >$15/hr hah
 
@Xeo Why?
I'm not sure that boost::range's range | algo | algo2 is sufficiently bad to merit a language extension to sweeten further
 
Xeo
That's not list-comprehension, that's just composition (in a sense)
 
hmmmm
 
eh, I'm not really seeing the difference
 
@DeadMG Because that's all list comprehension really is
 
5:05 PM
what would language-level support for range-based algorithms buy me over library-based?
 
I mean, at least in most languages I've seen them in.
 
@ScottW is there specializations of programming?
 
[(f x, g y) | x <- [1..5], y <- [1..5]]
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Multiple ranges, filter per range, some other stuff I'm not remembering right now
 
@CatPlusPlus What... does that print?
 
5:07 PM
I can do that stuff
 
Is this the lounge; the room for c incremental; or the lounge for people who code c incremental?
 
Xeo
Where was that link somebody had this morning...
For set-builder notation?
 
(although since I currently don't have tuple support, it's not currently doable)
 
Yes.
@ThePhD Result of function f and g in a pair from x and y goes from 1 to 5.
 
Oh.
=[
 
5:08 PM
It's a Cartesian product
 
I guess I'll have to
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Zipped ranges are wrong, list-comprehension is cartesian product
 
try and support that too with my stuff.
 
@Xeo Right... but why not simply write CartesianProduct() as well as Zip()?
 
5:10 PM
@ScottW what's one that's easy?
 
@Xeo so, in that lift expression sample you gave me,
chain is like the compose( ... ) we were talking about before?
 
Xeo
I should've called lift first instead.
@ThePhD ya
left-to-right composition
 
Hm...
 
Xeo
which is why I didn't name it compose
 
5:11 PM
What would compose be?
 
Xeo
because function composition generally goes right-to-left
 
... oooh.
 
Eh, convention
It's still a composition
 
Xeo
Yeah
 
@CatPlusPlus hey, I'm not a great programmer, just being realistic here
 
Xeo
5:11 PM
But I (personally) like chain for left-to-right more
 
@Xeo Hm... do you think it would be possible to specify a compile-time order to the functions with indices (seq) ?
 
well, since my primary natural language is LTR then I naturally prefer LTR orderings
 
@Crowz How fast can you learn?
 
Xeo
@ThePhD Huh? Sure, stuff all of them in a tuple, and access them through such a sequence.
 
@CatPlusPlus Depends on concentration, interests, and materials, but I can learn most things very fast (except math, can't learn math)
 
5:13 PM
Because you'll be dumped into maintenance task of an existing, probably large codebase
 
yep. what Cat says ^
 
There is no "easy"
 
@Xeo Sounds fun. :D
 
Also what you'll do if math comes up? "Sorry, can't finish this, can't learn math"? :v:
 
yea large ugly codebases are not uncommon
 
Xeo
5:15 PM
Hm. Where was ZipList again?
 
rather, they are in the majority
 
"I want to earn a lot of money but I don't know anything so what's the easiest way"
 
@Xeo Control.Applicative
 
@Xeo I'm going to try to get your composer to work in MSVC. :D
 
@CatPlusPlus probably quit. I'm not going to waste my time working with math.
 
5:16 PM
@CatPlusPlus Now you sound like 90% of people on this Earth
 
anybody has linuses email ? from Coursera : C++ For C Programmers :P
 
HEY, you guys owe me an answer! Isn't this StackOverflow!? Don't you care about me? I don't have time so answer really quick.. Anyway, so my question is about Java, I have a solution but it doesn't work, can you tell me what I did wrong?
 
Xeo
@Rapptz Ah, right, thanks
 
@Crowz this room is rather hard.
 
5:16 PM
@MilesBardan We don't owe you shit, and definitely not Java shit
 
dude I fucking hate math
 
you can't hate math and be a programmer
 
@Crowz Math is awesome.
 
Xeo
@MilesBardan This almost sounds like deliberate trolling against the rules.
 
@Griwes also this
 
5:17 PM
Math gives birth to some of the most epic discussions.
 
@Xeo It is
 
Along with physics.
 
@Xeo "almost"?
 
CS is a math field
Get over it
 
@CatPlusPlus Captain obvious.
 
5:17 PM
Ugh every math class I've been in is usually a super authoritarian teacher just trying to insure that everyone fails.
 
I was just showing that I read the introduction.
 
@Crowz That's math class done correctly!
 
mathematics education is ridiculous and a very far cry from actual mathematics
 
@Crowz "waste my time working with math" lol, ok..
 
5:18 PM
I liked my math teachers :|
 
Weed-out courses
 
@DeadMG nevertheless, you still need some math as a programmer
 
ye
 
yeah, actual math is for astrology and shit
 
but turning up to a classroom is a poor way to get it
 
5:19 PM
just get a good math book and read it
 
you need to know how to increment i
 
@Griwes That's the exact opposite of how I like to work. I like creative freedom and being able to experiment and fail multiple times before succeeding. Math classes always expect you to be 100% right all the time. How does anyone do that?
 
Also this would be a great CV
 
@DeadMG It depends on how you were taught
 
This is a list of notable autodidacts which includes people who have been partially or wholly self-taught. Autodidacticism (also autodidactism) is self-education or self-directed learning. Historical education levels Because of the large increase in years of education since 1800, especially during the early 20th century, it is difficult to define autodidactism and to compare autodidacts during different time periods. Artists and authors * Leonardo da Vinci was an Italian polymath: painter, sculptor, architect, musician, scientist, mathematician, engineer, inventor, anatomist, geologist, ...
 
5:19 PM
"I quit because I was given a task that requires some logical thinking"
 
@StackedCrooked ++ vs ++
 
@Crowz If most of people fails, then - assuming it isn't some kind of Genius Team or something - there was some level. Well, assuming the lecturer has some knowledge.
 
@Crowz I don't see how math is to blame for that. school is like that generally.
 
Xeo
> function()[min := 0, max := 10]
@DeadMG ^ what's the part in brackets?
 
My current analysis lecturer is surely going to fail more than 50% students in my group.
 
5:21 PM
3
Q: What does <- mean in Java?

JamI ran across this example and realized i don't fully understand what's going on here if (a <- b) { return false; } What is <- in Java?

^^ ahaha
 
Yet we all love him <3
 
@melak47 No? Most classes I go to, teachers expect you to fail multiple times and learn from your failures to be successful.
Math classes always expect you to be some unrealistic level of perfection
 
@Crowz they expect you to fail exams multiple times?
 
@Crowz What.
 
This seems like a cool room, I'll be back later after I've eaten. Ciao guys have a good one.
 
5:22 PM
@MilesBardan just leave the java outside next time :p
 
@melak47 nah, although most of my compsci classes it's hard to get above a 75% on any tests.
 
Xeo
I almost want to say it's Cicada
 
At my most "valuable" math course we need to get just 50% of points to pass.
 
@Griwes I've never seen a math course that requires 100% to pass either :p
 
@Xeo who is Cicada?
 
5:23 PM
@Griwes yeah no. Where I am, you need to get at least 85% of everything right. C's are considered unacceptable.
 
@Xeo Generalized lambda capture.
 
@Crowz I...what
 
What.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Ah
 
5:24 PM
if you need 85% to pass, then 85% is a D?
 
Every place will require you to have a 3.0 GPA. Therefore, to get a C eliminates you from getting jobs. That means it's foolish to take math courses, actually. That's part of the reason I avoid them like the plague
 
@Crowz wait, what kind of school are you in
 
@melak47 85% is a B.
 
@ScottW The standards of math teachers are ludicrous. They set you up for failure every step along the way. One of my teachers would take 10% off of your tests for writing your name in the wrong place or turning your test over before he said to.
 
really?
 
5:27 PM
No
 
Don't write your name in the wrong place.
Don't flip it over before he says so.
 
@Crowz What.
 
Problems fucking solved.
 
@Crowz turning the test over before the test starts gets you an F usually, so that's generous? :p
 
yeah, it's incredibly authoritarian. Also the tests are usually 3-4 questions, no partial credit.
 
5:28 PM
@Crowz Then change the lecturer.
Problem solved.
 
every math class is like this, I don't know what kind of school you're going to.
 
@Crowz what kind of school are you going to?
 
Anyone with such ridiculous rules for passing is not even worth listening to.
@Crowz Wrocław University of Technology
 
yeah, it's just foolish to take math when failure is inevitable.
 
@Crowz well if you don't need a math class, why are you taking them
 
5:29 PM
Change the school, then.
Those rules are totally ridiculous.
 
@melak47 Took the required ones.
 
^ or that
 
Also I should add: tests every two days and no make-ups for any reason.
 
LiLi USB Creator = Fail.
 
Who's LiLi
 
5:31 PM
Universal USB Installer = fail
 
^that one works for me :p
 
@melak47 Linux Live
Unetbootin = trying now.
 
@Crowz As I said, change the school.
USB = fail.
Let's start from there.
 
WTH is wrong with USB?
it's a decent spec, widely supported, fast as it can get with widely supported specs...
 
4 different host controllers.
 
5:32 PM
@rubenvb the connector is always flipped the wrong way :p
 
3 spec versions.
Spot the number difference and think of meaning of word "universal".
 
@Griwes all backwards compatible
although some old computers got fried with new usb 2.0 sticks.
 
...not sure if I am following...
Well, they kind of sorted things out with 2.0, but 1.1 was a total fail at making it "universal".
 
@Griwes but I'm almost graduated :(
 
I have not yet managed to fry any hardware with USB, (and I've surely tried often enough:).
 
5:35 PM
I managed to fry a hard drive by hotplugging once
it literally started smoking :(
 
Xeo
@melak47 "hotplugging" doesn't imply sticking a hot iron in some hole.
2
 
@rubenvb ...but only ones that didn't really comply with the spec. Pretty hard to blame the spec itself for that.
 
@Xeo sounds hot.
 
@Griwes Within the bandwidth it supported, 1.1 became almost astoundingly close to universal. Since you're probably far too young to remember how things were before USB, believe me: USB 1 was a huge success -- a massive improvement on most of what we had available previously.
 
5:40 PM
@JerryCoffin I do not say it wasn't success - I just say it is a fail.
 
@Griwes You can say it, but you're thoroughly wrong.
 
But that is probably mainly because my "everything in CS is one big fail" attitude.
 
@JerryCoffin I remember having a COM port mouse.
 
Is there some new boolean state that I haven't heard of? True/false/maybe?
 
Xeo
I had one of those well into 2005
 
5:42 PM
And it seems I need an older syslinux as v 4.whatever isn't happy on my Vaio.
 
Xeo
@MartinJames Tribool.
 
@MartinJames file_not_found, d'oh.
 
it was a ball mouse
with three buttons but no scroll wheel
 
I had one like that, too.
Hrm, I think I remember throwing some mouse's ball out of a window...
 
@rubenvb Yes -- mice alone came in half a dozen (or more) different varieties -- COM port, InPort, PS/2, a few parallel port mice (I'd hardly believe except that I saw one once), and a fair number that required their own special ISA board to connect.
 
5:44 PM
At least the COM thing was semi standard.
 
Luckily, dangerous office ordnance like those mice with steel balls are now extinct.
 
:D
 
it's so old I can't seem to find it.
 
@rubenvb COM was probably the least problematic of the choices available at at the time.
Which brings us to an interesting bit of trivia: the phrase "damning with faint praise" was originated by Alexander Pope.
 
Hi all
 
5:54 PM
...and keyboards are so flimsy you'll be hard pressed to kill someone with one
@MartinJames ^ to comment about lacking ordnance in modern office
 
@hyde That could depend on the keyboard. My old keyboard is solid enough that it could probably at least leave some fairly serious bruises (though light enough that you're probably right about actually killing anybody).
 
I have an old IBM keyboard that could surely cause considerable damage. Also, I keep my soldering iron tip really sharp :)
 
@MartinJames yeah, keyword there is "old"
 
OK, it's a bit dirty and the F12 key says 'Scroll Lock', but it still works and makes nice clicking noises.
 

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