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2:00 PM
Also, why is there no 'help-werewolf' Unreal C++ room?
 
user784668
@MartinJames whatever, I made one.
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Now entering the domain of Lord Puppy the Binmaster [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq] [no-helpdesk]
 
I see the REAL C++ room is right next to the Lounge. It won't fade away that quickly it seems.
 
@DomagojPandža I sure couldn't figure out what the fuck was going on in that snapshot.
except that there seemed to be two people and one of them was about two feet tall?
 
@DomagojPandža I having totally legit converstaion there
 
2:02 PM
Can always be rectified.
 
Thanks - I feel much better!
 
Interestingly enough, almost all post-Assassin'sCreed Ubisoft games have the same visual vibe.
Almost a reuse of the UI. Not just the system, but its very design.
 
man, I played AC2 on the PC, and holy shit, it was the suck.
 
user1357851
if there is puppy love, is there were-puppy love, if so how do you know you are in a were-puppy love?
 
2:05 PM
Telkitty, I'm not even going to ask where you found that photo in the Unreal room.
 
user1357851
on the internet of course, where else?
 
Super Mario PEGI 18+?
 
user1357851
When a vallain kidnapped a super hot princess, what do you think will happen? Do you really think he's going to chuck her in a storage and ignore her until God knows when?
 
@DeadMG I'm not surprised.
 
@TonyTheLion They didn't even port the control scheme.
 
2:08 PM
The only thing I found nice in the AC series is the animation system. The first AC was pretty statically rigged, but the iterations were awesome.
But most of the compliments go to the artists which placed the attachable points on buildings in a way which is not gameplay-breaking.
 
user784668
What happens to rooms without owners?
 
user1357851
frozen and disappear probably
 
@Fanael What happens to shit in the woods without bears?
 
user1357851
or the peach princess without mario
 
@DomagojPandža A tree falls on it
 
2:13 PM
@DomagojPandža It is consumed by bacterium, insects, and other such creatures, and many of it's nutrients are absorbed into the soil.
 
Ahahah the C# -> C++ tutorial in The Real C++ Room is by a brony
 
@TheForestAndtheTrees link?
 
@DeadMG Technically the same thing that happens to shit in the woods with bears, right?
 
user1357851
Then birds eat inserts, then wolves and bears eat birds, then we eat wolves & bears, so essentially we eat creatures who eat creatures who eat sh!t
 
Not like the bears lick it up or anything
 
@Neil Pretty much, bears don't do anything with or about shit except add to the volume of it somewhat.
 
I am so desperate for an AMD OpenGL 4.3 driver that I actually have a bookmark called "AMD OGL 4.3 DRIVER QUERY" which yields a Google search.
AMD still sucks.
 
> namespace FunFunBunBuns
EPIC WIN
 
I hate these incantations for chat. Always forget 'em.
 
std::cout.write("Hello World",11);
lolwut
 
2:19 PM
@TheForestAndtheTrees He's also one of those tau crazies apparently.
 
@TonyTheLion prevent accidentally writing a NUL char
 
@TonyTheLion oh my
 
@sehe meh
> This program, to a C# user, immediately looks foreign and possibly even outright hostile
ahahahahaha
 
user784668
@TonyTheLion lol link?
 
2:20 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes For the Greater Good!
 
@TonyTheLion Does it attack everything you point a laser pointer to?
 
Becoz IMPAHTANT!!!
@DomagojPandža s/you point a laser pointer to//
 
6 mins ago, by The Forest And the Trees
http://blackhole12.blogspot.com/2011/07/c-to-c-tutorial-part-1-basics-of-syntax.html
 
user1357851
holy, how many decoy C++ rooms are there on SO
 
@TonyTheLion: Yes I am: A, B, C are all n-by-n matrices. Index i goes i=0, i=2, ... i=n-2. So both C[i+k*n] and C[i+1+k*n] must always be within bounds since for the biggest i possible (i=n-2) this would be locations C[n-2+i*n] and C[n-1+i*n]. — Name 1 hour ago
I don't know how to help this guy anymore :|
someone experienced with SSE intrinsics may be able to help
 
2:23 PM
@DomagojPandža ohnoes extensions :P
 
user142019
lol
 
have you seen NV_bindless_texture yet?
 
user142019
Some guy in my class rendered a few thousand cubes using immediate mode.
 
user142019
He got less than one FPS.
 
@Zoidberg cubes <3
I am getting close to my goal (5 million)
that's, based on rough calculation, how many I'll need for my desired view distance
 
user142019
2:24 PM
How do you do it?
 
user142019
VBO and eliminating invisible faces?
 
user784668
-Wsign-compare i hate you
 
eliminating invisible cubes as for now
 
user784668
error: conversion to ‘__gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator<const long unsigned int*, std::vector<long unsigned int> >::difference_type {aka long int}’ from ‘std::size_t {aka long unsigned int}’ may change the sign of the result [-Werror=sign-conversion]
 
@Telkitty zero
 
user142019
2:25 PM
@BartekBanachewicz OIC
 
but yeah, I'll remove redundant faces too
 
user142019
Do you also use instancing?
 
I need to get chunks first
 
@BartekBanachewicz are you talking about minicraft?
 
I used instancing, but it actually isn't well-suited here
 
2:26 PM
@Zoidberg Measure it in SPF then :)
 
@TonyTheLion Oh, that's far from the worst part of that article.
 
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz Why not?
 
user142019
@sehe :P
 
user1357851
see "All Rooms"
 
2:26 PM
@Zoidberg mostly because of texturing issues.
 
@EtiennedeMartel probably, but do I really want to commit suicide?
 
@Telkitty Hhhmmm?
 
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz OIC
 
I mean, it was hard to supply proper texture coordinates.
I've talked with Puppy about it, and the conclusion was to actually profile the shit
 
user142019
Time to go home.
 
user142019
2:27 PM
BRB
 
user1357851
I am scared, I can be duped into a not real C++ room at any time, & I won't even know ... for a whole 2 secs
 
> The same concept applies to C++, but unlike C#, which defaults to a GUI, C++ defaults to a command line.
@EtiennedeMartel Oh gawd it's awful.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what the fuck
 
user784668
what.
 
oh I just found the link
that's gonna be even better than Real<c++> and bytes.com
hmm, okay, no, it won't be better than bytes.com
 
2:31 PM
> int x[] is identical to int* x.
 
user784668
oh noes
 
user784668
malloc takes 15% of the exec time.
 
@Fanael Debug?
 
fuck this shit, it doesn't work
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz I don't profile debug.
 
2:32 PM
@Fanael yea, I am prolly the only that retarded one here
 
> In our Hello World application, we are including iostream, which does not have a .h file extension on the end for stupid regulatory reasons.
7
 
@BartekBanachewicz I do that just because sometimes :)
 
To my defense, GPU always runs on full speed, so Debug helps to find CPU hotspots
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what the hell are you reading
 
2:33 PM
@melak47 scroll up
 
user784668
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh the idiocy it hurts.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, that guy isn't good.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes s/stupid/arbitrary/ might be more accurate.
 
> This program, to a C# user, immediately looks foreign and possibly even outright hostile.
7 lines compared to 21 of C#
 
Erik McClure? That's strange, I know him from elsewhere. Strange to see him mentioned here.
 
2:36 PM
He appears to be a brony.
 
user784668
~70% of these mallocs are std::string.
 
> The most glaring example here is the insertion operator, <<, because almost no one ever uses it except for in streams
 
user784668
std::string u haz reserve?
 
@EtiennedeMartel He used to like rabbits a lot. I guess he's moved onto horses.
 
@Pubby I'm saying that because since I started watching MLP, I keep seeing bronies everywhere.
 
2:38 PM
I'm lost in a maze of twisty, little unreal C++ rooms, all alike.
 
@BartekBanachewicz And the C# code is something completely different (it's a WinForms application)
 
@EtiennedeMartel That seems to be why they're hated: talking about ponies everywhere when nobody brought them up. Kind of reminds me of Haskell. (I watch the show too, though)
 
@Pubby Oh, no, that's just Zoidberg.
 
Hah, I completely forgot that vanilla Visual Studio 2012 is white. Bahah, I love the dark theme. <3
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, at least he said not to use Pointers
 
user784668
2:40 PM
Okay, so reserving the strings made the malloc time go up.
 
> In fact, we can totally ignore the pointer in C++ too, if we want (which I tend to prefer, when possible, because its a lot easier to work with):
that's one sensible sentence.
 
> That's why you are limited to 4 gigs of RAM on a 32-bit machine, and windows has difficulty using more than 2 gigs because a lot of older programs assumed that a signed 32-bit integer was sufficient for all memory addresses, so windows has to do some funky memory paging techniques to get programs that ignore the last bit to use memory locations above 2147483647.
hhahahaha
 
user784668
What the actual fuck.
 
user784668
I don't even.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That is outright wrong. What is that?
 
user784668
 
Okay, since I am not coding, I'll write that blog article
 
> I'm a rabbit-obsessed graphics programmer and part-time delusional idealist who makes games and music.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yep, that's why there is the LARGEADDRESSAWARE flag.
 
Delusional is the only valid qualification of this gentleman.
 
user784668
What are the options to disable the GCC inliner altogether?
 
2:45 PM
Wouldn't -O0 do the trick?
 
user784668
@kbok I don't want to profile debug, I'm not Bartek.
 
:)
 
Ooooh, I found the coup de grace.
> It should be pretty obvious at this point that arrays are pointers in C++.
 
The 2 GB of addressable space was inhibited due to the memory address space being plagued by all other devices on the system and their memory requiring a place to live. The MMIO problem was resolved only later. The only thing Microsoft failed with, possibly intentionally or non-intentionally, was the PAE capability of modern processors. MS claimed it was buggy. I'm inclined to believe them, although it did help them to "plausibly" sell more "advanced versions" of Windows.
 
user784668
You see, I'd check the documentation… but the servers are down.
 
2:47 PM
Also, when will people learn that arrays != pointers?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, at first I thought he compared C# arrays to C++ pointers, but then he keep talking about it later on and no, he's talking about C++ arrays.
> In fact, if you watch your compiler output carefully, you might even see the compiler internally convert all the arrays to pointers when its resolving types.
 
oh gawd
kill this article with fire
 
user784668
man gcc contains all that optimizer stuff, doesn't it?
 
So, people, what did we learn?
 
I kinda want to write a nonsense C++ article for april fools
 
2:48 PM
can we leave comments?
we should troll the crap out of this guy
 
user784668
@Pubby ints are floats
 
because lulz
 
That someone who doesn't know C++ is a very poor C++ teacher.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Articles matching "C++ for [a-zA-Z]+ programmers" suck?
 
2:49 PM
@Fanael not funny enough
 
@EtiennedeMartel wish my uni knew that
 
I was thinking something like the new standardized singleton macros for C++22 or something
 
Also, forgot to mention
 
@TonyTheLion No trolling. We don't want to get that guy on the defensive.
 
CREATE_SINGLETON(foo)
 
2:50 PM
there's a not-so-small possibility I won't be kicked out yet
 
And anyway, the article is several months old.
 
@EtiennedeMartel you are too good for this world :)
 
turns out there's a helluva lot of retards with worse scores than me
I am just retarded and late.
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz you're the North Pole.
 
@TonyTheLion Yeah, I somehow imagine him as a Canadian version of Super Mario. Except, for Etienne, everyone's a princess.
 
2:51 PM
@BartekBanachewicz why would you be kicked out of uni for being short one ECTS thing?
 
@TonyTheLion I like to think of myself as a teacher. Bashing people in the head when they do something wrong does not work. You have to explain why they're doing it wrong, and then tell them how they can fix it.
 
or do you mean your intel job/internship
 
@melak47 well because I'm one short :P
 
@DomagojPandža Super Mario, bearded edition.
 
user784668
@EtiennedeMartel we're not teachers though so we can troll
 
2:51 PM
@EtiennedeMartel that's a valid way of thinking.
 
user1357851
@Pubby yes, I can ask a dummy C++ question and you can give wrong answers, the rest of us can upvote the heck out of it for April fools day
 
@melak47 I mean my uni, I think Intel is happy with me
 
@EtiennedeMartel That only works for some people
 
@DomagojPandža That sounded so gay
 
@BartekBanachewicz ..so? :S
 
2:52 PM
@Neil It works for most people. You just need to find a way to get to them.
@Fanael Yeah, but that article'll never get fixed if we just troll it. And it'll stay there, on the Web, misleading more programmers.
 
@kbok We've learned to accept Etienne and not judge his sexual orientation. :3
 
@DomagojPandža <3
 
@EtiennedeMartel True, but for some people, it means doing things hands-on
 
@Neil Doesn't change a thing to what I said.
 
But you can't make every possible mistake in the world when you program, so such people tend to not make good programmers
 
user784668
2:53 PM
@rubenvb (@"GCC servers are down") nah, it ain't me, the downtime's because sourceware are upgrading the infrastructure. I won, you lost, you owe me a beer :P
 
@EtiennedeMartel As it shouldn't. Why does everyone assume I'm arguing with them?
 
@Neil Stop arguing
 
The only people you can't teach to are those who think they're better than you. So you should punch them.
 
@melak47 there are "terms of use" :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Link please?
 
2:54 PM
@EtiennedeMartel What if they're also better than you at punching?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Lots of those too
 
@JerryCoffin Why do everyone keep asking for the link?
 
Dammit
 
@SamDeHaan Use a stick. Or poison their food.
 
@SamDeHaan You learn how to punch during your lesson with him
 
2:55 PM
One place that has DVI cables was open on weekend
 
@Neil Not a lot, actually.
 
@BartekBanachewicz like what? here it's basically "you need 180 ECTS points to be allowed to do your bachelor's degree thing", don't think it really matters what course you take when
 
@EtiennedeMartel because it's not pinned?
 
@Pubby Good point.
 
Ah, LPWSTR. We meet again. And you've gotten even more ugly.
 
2:55 PM
@melak47 yeah, in Sweden. We are in fucking Poland :/
 
@DomagojPandža Ah run away!
 
So if Lord Puppy is the binmaster, who is the pinmaster?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'm in Germany :/
 
@Pubby Cock++. The Cat.
 
user784668
@Pubby Lord Kitteh
 
user1357851
2:56 PM
@Pubby binmaster == garbage collector?
 
@melak47 I don't know about his uni but ours definitely has the minimum ECTS clause
 
@Telkitty Binmaster == garbage collector for british
 
user784668
oh the kitteh, hai
 
@CatPlusPlus Doesn't every uni have some lower bounds on ECTS count?
 
I think so, at least here, but I haven't done any research because I don't really care so
 
2:57 PM
@DomagojPandža "Do you expect me to talk with LPWSTRs?" "No, Mr. Domagoeee, I expect you to die "
 
user1357851
@Neil yes, we call them the bin manager here :p
 
@ScottW _t
 
Microsoft caps-locked naming conventions can suck a giant cock.
 
@CatPlusPlus minimum ECTS clause for what? how many points you need to get each semester? by semester #x?
 
LPCWWJDSTR - for religious strings
 
2:58 PM
@melak47 By the end of the run
 
@CatPlusPlus by the end of the run..?
when you finish your degree?
 
They overflowed into Visual Studio 2012, also. FILE EDIT VIEW PROJECT BUILD DEBUG whatever comes next.
 
We also have nominal point thresholds for each semester
 
Why is it yelling at me :(
 
2:59 PM
@CatPlusPlus well, uh, obviously. but if you don't have enough, you just take that course you failed again, and then finish your degree. what's the problem
 
So the plan is more or less static and you just go with it
 
user1357851
@Fanael there are many kitties here, next time try to be more specific by doing a name_cast: (catPlusPlus *)kitteh
 
@ScottW STDSTRING
 
user784668
LGBTSTR
 
@DomagojPandža Set the registry key.
 

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