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12:00 AM
@Cicada no, because if indeed you are better than me I want to find a cozy place to kill myself right now.
 
i prefer cooking you a bit more
 
@Xeo I think returning the result of += is just dumb tbh.
 
@Cicada why do you have to do this to me?
 
No elision, no move right?
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Care to elaborate?
 
12:01 AM
@BartekBanachewicz If i beat you will you kill yourself :)
Im a noob in C++
 
user142019
Is the order of an initialization list guaranteed?
 
Can the result type of operator+= encode useful information for operator+ anyway?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Of course, that's where she gets her lifeforce from :P
 
@NoSenseEtAl Judging from the questions you ask, I think you are past that stage now.
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Oh, elision, right.
@Zoidberg LTR, if you mean initializer_list.
 
12:02 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes in which direction
 
user142019
@Xeo awesome thanks.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes So I cant kill Bartek... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo
 
user142019
@Xeo oh no, initialization list not initializer list.
 
user142019
foo() : a(), b(), c() {}
 
@BartekBanachewicz Because she knows you like to take things quite seriously.
 
12:03 AM
@Zoidberg Order of definition is source file.
 
Xeo
@Zoidberg Ah, mem-initializer list. That's the order they're declared in the class.
 
@Zoidberg Order of member declaration, i.e., the order you write in the ctor is irrelevant.
 
Just occured to me that I can't friend you guys on bnet because I was born on the wrong continent.
 
BOOYAH!
 
oh, it's sc2 boast party?
 
user142019
12:03 AM
@Xeo oh. :L
 
I WAS RIGHT ABOUT SOMETHING SORT OF STANDARDY
4
I'm a fuckin' winner.
 
user142019
Thanks.
 
gimme your handles guys
 
@MooingDuck </3
 
@kbok except for the 'Merkins?
 
Xeo
12:04 AM
@LucDanton If it's on an rvalue lhs, I'd think it could.
 
@MooingDuck Global Play should be here soon.
 
@kbok wich league are you
 
none, for some reason my account has been reset
 
@kbok calling ppl roachfags ? :P
 
@kbok Bajtek/751 if that will work
 
12:04 AM
I was (in the requisite percentage to be) in Master's League 1v1 (before that league actually existed)
now I'm in Master's League 4v4 or someshit like that
 
@DeadMG namespace Blizzard { typedef Soon NextCentury; }
 
Xeo
Anyway, @Luc, if you want elision, I think there'll be a problem. You can get either elision in the parameter or the return value, while retaining full flexibility for the client, AFAICS.
 
anybody excited about PS4?
 
@NoSenseEtAl what
 
I honestly don't get how all this battletags shit works
 
12:05 AM
@kbog just joking, like you got banned for bm :D
 
@Xeo Yeah, but at best you'd transform a copy into a move if the user bothers. Contrast returning a value parameter (or local var), where optimization is more a matter of QoI regardless of how many overloads of += are here.
 
@Chimera I'm excited for Next Gen in general. PS4 looks neat (hardware wise) + share feature is kinda nice
 
every time a pandora song ends, my computer freezes for ~60s :(
 
RIP Start button.
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Yeah, but see my last message.
 
12:06 AM
@Borgleader I'm mostly interested at the games that'll be on it.
 
@MooingDuck That's pretty extreme...
 
@Borgleader The hardware does look appealing.
 
@BartekBanachewicz not working
 
I mean, a console will always be as good as the software that runs on said console.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I guess I am damned for a job in a nuclear bunker then.
 
12:06 AM
@Chimera No.
 
@Borgleader meh PS4 looks like crap when it comes to hw...
 
@ScottW Needs a better excuse there
 
@Xeo I follow up to 'while', then I'm lost.
 
@NoSenseEtAl Are you insane?!
 
the only way I'd even remotely consider purchasing a console is if it would work on my screens.
fuck television shite
 
12:07 AM
@Borgleader on cpu side it is a joke
 
@ThePhD installing spore on Win32XP on a macbook pro, extreme is normal
 
@Borgleader Also, the hardware is crap. I hope this thing isn't more than 300$.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Might be more games now that it has an architecture that is probabaly going to be more developer friendly.
 
@Chimera And they'll be much easier ported to PC.
 
@EtiennedeMartel How is it crap?
 
12:07 AM
@sehe I see. =[ Sorry if we make it uncomfortable for you.
 
hell, Sony might just ship Linux
 
@ThePhD Rarely happens :) Also, I wouldn't risk running into trouble anyways. But I do understand the concerns of others
 
although that would be a bit open for a console developer
 
@Borgleader The CPU and GPU are shit.
But that's mostly because it's AMD.
And AMD is shit right now.
 
12:08 AM
@EtiennedeMartel Wat.
I didn't actually see the specs of those except that it was a PC architecture.
linky?
 
It says my character code is #751, whatever that means
 
how do you see the char code on the profile btw?
 
AMD doesn't do well in the high end department. but consoles arent high end so who cares?
 
@Borgleader Consoles are supposed to be high end at the time of their release to offset the fact that they'll be stuck like that for 5 years.
I mean, the PS3 was a fucking monster back in 2006.
 
A top PC could still pwn it.
 
12:09 AM
 
@kbok I don't see it anywhere, maybe it's not there so you can't friend random people?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Fuck.
I mean, AMD are quite competitive in the GPU space.
 
@sehe is it just random?
 
but an AMD CPU? seriously?
 
Sorry about the font ^ - I found it like that
 
12:10 AM
@MooingDuck probably
 
@BartekBanachewicz You decide
 
unless Sony have seen some benchmarks on Jaguar that we haven't.
 
@DeadMG They probably got a package deal from AMD.
 
@DeadMG 8 cores
 
@DeadMG They were probably the cheapest.
 
12:10 AM
@sehe Noooooo, look at all those serifs!
 
@Chimera The last 8-core AMD couldn't beat a 4-core Intel even on massively parallel work.
 
@sehe I am under itching impression you are implying something.
 
user142019
template<typename T>
class foo {
    void meh(foo/*<T>*/ const& x); // okay, this is possibru
};
 
user142019
TIL how to avoid hassle. T________T
 
@BartekBanachewicz it says not found or something. maybe we aren't on the same server
 
Xeo
12:11 AM
@Zoidberg Bwahaha.
 
@ThePhD ahahaha I did it. I fixed the multiple function issue thing :D
 
@kbok i am on eu.
 
user142019
AWESOME :D
 
Strange
 
Ell
Hey guise
 
12:12 AM
@BartekBanachewicz I wasn't planning to. Until you asked. I'm undecided
 
@kbok maybe i have to be log in
 
Xeo
@LucDanton If you want to allow the client to react to rvalue lhs if he so desires, is what I mean. If you do operator@(T, T ref) with lhs += forward(rhs); return lhs;, the client can't take advantage of rvalue lhs. If you do either operator@(T, T ref) with return std::move(lhs) @= forward(rhs); or operator@(T&&, T ref) with auto v = std::move(lhs) @= forward(rhs); return v;, you get only either parameter elision or return elision.
 
Try adding wireshar#646 if you have the occasion
 
@sehe you are just making it worse
 
Polar Bear: Making things worse since 1976
 
12:12 AM
@Xeo The benefit of rvalue lhs is that you get a possible move in the construction of the lhs parameter.
 
Can I be grumpy when I grow up?
 
@BartekBanachewicz You already are.
 
Oh wait, looks like I'm on a US server. wtf
 
I think a lot of the impedance mismatches we're hitting stem from the facts that a) operator+= is assymmetric anyway b) its return value is weird.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I usually am a very nice, kind and caring person behind all the shouting. It's just my trait :/
 
Xeo
12:14 AM
@LucDanton I don't quite see what that is an answer to, I fear.
 
Ell
8gb of gddr is good
isn't it?
 
@Xeo The client can react to rvalue lhs if he so desires by having move construction!
 
@Ell Not bad, but it's not that good.
 
Moving the burden to operator+= is weird.
 
12:15 AM
@Ell I'd say "standard" for today.
It'll probably be shit in a year.
Anyway, if the PS4 is cheap, sure, more gaming for the masses.
 
Heh, assymetric.
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Ah, true. It wouldn't matter if he does the move construction before or after operator@=, huh? Or would it?
 
ass-ymetric
 
Xeo
@Cicada An ass-y metric?
 
aw yeah
 
Ell
12:16 AM
i wonder how Much faster gddr is to DDR. Or maybe its not a question of speed?
 
@EtiennedeMartel people are kicking around the idea of $600
 
@MooingDuck Frankly, that would surprise me.
And I wonder if that's because the PS3 was also 600$ on launch.
 
Ell
And fx4100 machine plus good graphics is £500 really
 
Strange coincidence that people assume the PS4'll be the same.
 
@Xeo Well, there will be one after compound assignment regardless. Safer design. It's the one that comes before -- either it's dealt in @= or in the move constructor.
 
12:17 AM
@Ell no it's just that GDDR is 18+ (because it's graphic)
 
Ell
then I've been a very naughty boy
 
Dealing it inside @= is weird, I think. How can you benefit from knowing *this is used as an rvalue?
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Hm.. I'm just wondering where there might be potential real differences (and not artificially crafted ones, just for the sake of).
 
Kotaku had a piece this week about building a gaming PC for 700$.
 
Xeo
@LucDanton void operator@=(...) && = delete;! :D Client might disallow assignment to rvalues, in the good nature of "do as the ints do".
 
12:19 AM
@EtiennedeMartel lol'd at processor.
 
user1182183
hm I finally got the right adresses, now when I have DWORD PosZAddr = 0x00439AA2; and I try to dereference it, I get a crash ... and the debugger shows that at 0x00439AA2 the position is correct ; >
 
stopped reading immediately.
 
@EtiennedeMartel So is that like 'hey, this kotaku link is actually worthwhile' or 'let's make fun of kotaku and increase the view count of their article'?
 
@Rapptz Yeah. But the cost was the issue.
 
@Xeo ... which is an argument for lhs += forward(rhs); return lhs; right?
 
Xeo
12:20 AM
@LucDanton I think so.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I looked around some more, most analysts are guessing $300-$400
 
how do you select your fucking region
 
finally found my sc profile
 
@kbok it's too big
 
eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2011739/1/Farnsworth had to reset fucking sc2 pwd, for that had to reset fucking gmail pwd... damn
 
12:21 AM
@Xeo To call back to one of your previous replies: I think you're right, if you want to do more than T + T yielding T, don't use the helper.
 
@Rapptz If you want to build a PC for less than 700$, fitting an Intel processor in there is gonna get problematic.
 
you can see how social I am... only 1v1 :)
 
@EtiennedeMartel I don't want to build a PC for $700 truthfully.
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Yeah, it's hard / impossible to make a helper / wrapper of any sort that provides ALL the solutions, I think.
 
There are better budget builds than this.
 
12:22 AM
@Rapptz Then don't read that article.
 
I.e. I'm not going to care about the return type of @=, I'm going to assume it's a dumb-ish mutator that can at best pilfter its rhs, and that the move constructor is a sensible optimization spot. If those are not enough, then you probably need e.g. expression templates.
 
I stopped immediately. I've seen better budget PCs in the 700-800 range that are much better.
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Sounds good.
 
okay wtf I have 2 profiles now
 
@Xeo // TODO: C++11, perfect-forwarding and better Boost.Proto for easy expression templates!
 
12:24 AM
btw fun Q for ppl if somebody is an expert here... can we still expect games on PS4 to run faster than on the equivalent PC. even now that PS is x64
 
(Just kidding, I'll let E. Niebler do his magic.)
 
Xeo
@LucDanton lol.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Look, I just read a bit more and the total ended up $575, way less than $700 and it was ultimately shittier. He had $125 more leisure to improve it but chose not to.
 
All praise E Niebler and his high priest Bartosz Milewski
 
@Rapptz You might have a point.
 
Xeo
12:25 AM
@NoSenseEtAl I find it hard to listen to Bartosz, I have to admit.
He's always so roundabout and slow... can't concentrate on him.
 
@Xeo , true , but his blog posts are ok
 
static_cast<rapper>(this)
 
@ScottW Flip his MSB!
 
Xeo
@Cicada That would just make him negative, most likely.
 
btw does anbody here understands WTF is a monad... I either Im to stupid to see magnificant impact it has on my life, or it is BS. :D
 
Xeo
12:26 AM
@NoSenseEtAl It's just a wrapper with a few special operations.
 
Xeo
It's a concept, nothing concrete.
 
@NoSenseEtAl Ask @Zoidberg he'll be thrilled to tell you
 
@But ppl are like LINQ is monad, async await in CS 5 is a monad...
 
user142019
It's a kind of structure.
 
Xeo
12:27 AM
And I think I do understand monads by now.
 
user142019
LINQ is very similar to the list monad.
 
Just for curiosity: You have to install the GB client if you want region selection.
 
see, like I said, everything is a monad acroding to FP priests :D
 
Xeo
1 min ago, by Xeo
It's a concept, nothing concrete.
 
You're a monad.
 
12:28 AM
@kbok It's better than being a moron, I guess.
 
@NoSenseEtAl Monad is a very common pattern. That's why it is so useful: you can define generic algorithms upon monads and reuse them for many data structures.
 
monadick
 
Xeo
@ThePhD Well, it's good if the collected knowledge in here is brushing off on you. :)
 
OK, but ppl are like when you understand monads you are gonna be blown away...
Im like meh
 
I got an offer to get manning.com/skeet3 for 20$ instead of 50$. I'm just worried I'll get import fees =/ (which would ruin the deal)
 
Xeo
12:29 AM
Then you don't understand them, Maybe? :3
 
DOUBLE DOT THREE
 
wtf
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes (I couldn't resist.)
 
@Cicada "colon".
 
12:30 AM
pamaayim_nekudotayim
 
@Xeo hence my question... "btw does anbody here understands WTF is a monad... I either Im to stupid to see magnificant impact it has on my life, or it is BS. :D"
 
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel Better than equals three, atleast.
 
@Rapptz If anybody bought that, they should sue. That's so overpriced it borders on fraud.
 
pamaayim_nekudotayim sounds like some sort of disease
 
It's the token name of "::" in PHP
 
12:30 AM
@Xeo The Ray William Johnson show on YouTube?
 
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel :)
 
"Oh crap, I've got a pamaayim_nekudotayim in my code, I hope it's not contagious"
@Cicada You program in PHP?
 
user142019
My code sucks and I suck.
 
I know some PHP, to my dismay.
 
@Borgleader Oh shit. That processor is $959
 
12:31 AM
@Zoidberg your code is bad and you should feel bad
 
@NoSenseEtAl Do you know C#? Try Eric Lippert's explanation: stackoverflow.com/questions/2704652/…
 
user142019
That's my phrase!
 
@Cicada you should see how much Alexandrescu likes php
 
@Rapptz "Flexirent"?
@NoSenseEtAl So much, that his work involves throwing it out of FB.
 
@Rapptz And? The ram is worth like 150$. The HDD is worth 150$. Overall that PC is worth at most 2500-3000$
 
12:32 AM
@Borgleader It's actually $1700 but the processor is expensive as fuck.
 
@Borgleader Not a bad profit margin.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes not really, but I get this part about amplifiers.. fancy name is type constructor, right
 
it doesn't say price anymore but it was $959-$1k+
 
user142019
Code y u no compile.
 
12:33 AM
@NoSenseEtAl But type constructor is not all of it.
 
Anyone has advice regarding the proliferation of empty bases? I know libs like Boost.Operators take steps such that you can 'chain' those bases as in addable<T, T, multipliable<T, T>> but I really have no idea what this is about.
 
user142019
> no known conversion for implicit 'this' parameter from 'const claw::default_clone<B>*' to 'claw::default_clone<B>*'
 
user142019
Interesting. I have never seen that message before.
 
I think I need a break from this room.
 
@Zoidberg ? one is const one isn't
 
12:34 AM
You cant convert from const to non const
 
I don't get it
 
@BartekBanachewicz lies!
 
@LucDanton I think that's only for poor compilers without proper EBCO.
 
user142019
@Rapptz No shit.
 
without a const_cast
 
user142019
12:34 AM
But "implicit 'this' parameter".
 
@thecoshman I am spending too much time here
 
@Zoidberg and you have never seen this? really?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes slow down, Im slow... :) and thanks to Bartosz at least i got there :D
 
And I am putting too much emotions here as well
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Only EBCO in the first base, so transform 'flat' hierarchy into a chain?
 
12:35 AM
My SC2 is Ambeco/269
 
@LucDanton Something like that, yeah.
 
@MooingDuck You can play SC2 on XP?!
 
if anyone cares, I virtually never play
 
I find it hard to care.
 
user142019
Funny thing is.
 
user142019
12:36 AM
Oh wait.
 
user142019
I'm using SFINAE on the copy ctor of default_cloner. xD
 
xD
no idea what it does
 
See you in a few days.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes MSVC. :/
 
@Cicada that makes 2 of us
 
Xeo
12:36 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Have fun.
 
@Xeo Really?
 
@LucDanton me too... it must be because I classified all meaning as illogical :P
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yea
 
@BartekBanachewicz See you my love!! ~~~ i hope your gf sees that
 
user142019
12:37 AM
Ohh right.
 
user142019
My so-called copy ctor takes a non-const reference. T_T
 
Xeo
You suck.
But that's nothing new.
 
FAIL
 
@Rapptz sure
 
@Borgleader good to know
 
user142019
12:37 AM
I'm doing it wrong.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes In 2010, anyways. Haven't checked for 2012 yet.
 
Uh
Hey, quick question
 
@Cicada bartek meant he is taking a few days to learn about mondas...
 
What's the max rep you can earn in a day? o_O
 
mondas are easy
 
12:38 AM
@ThePhD 200
 
no they arent
 
@ThePhD Technically, infinite
 
doesn't include bounties or accepts.
 
Xeo
@ThePhD No limit, depending on how many accepts you get.
 
Ah.
 
12:39 AM
and if they are im gonna be pissed, since it is one of those things that I kind of want to learn and be whooooah
 
Xeo
But 200 is the limit from upvotes.
 
@Xeo When does it refresh?
 
Xeo
@Cicada You don't understand them.
 
@NoSenseEtAl Learn Haskell.
 
Midnight?
 
12:39 AM
@Xeo mondas? yes i do
 
Xeo
@ThePhD 0:00 +0000
 
Lol.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes find it hard to do it without a course and without ppl making money of it... I know about some small companies making money but I mean I dont buy those FP ppls PR
 
Xeo
@Cicada Oh, I thought it was a bluff like with that Brandon guy.
 
@BartekBanachewicz you on the frequent list? no! so sit down and chat! :P
 
user142019
12:40 AM
Oh wonderful.
 
Ell
Ahh too many shellfish!
 
@BartekBanachewicz okay it's working finally
 
user142019
Error messages containing defails from the implementation of std::unique_ptr.
 
user142019
C++ is wonderful.
 
@Xeo i bet you don't know mondas
 
12:41 AM
@NoSenseEtAl Right, can't help you then ("I want to learn FP ideas, but I am prejudiced against FP"...)
 
@thecoshman I was on the frequent list a fwe weeks ago
 
@DeadMG @Cicada care to give me your sc2 char ids?
 
Xeo
13 mins ago, by Xeo
And I think I do understand monads by now.
 
Also anyone else playing too
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I just want to learn FP ideas to make better cpp code
 
Xeo
12:41 AM
@MooingDuck That list is so unreliable with this many regulars...
 
Irrelevant.
 
@Xeo mondas != monads
 
high priest Bartosz said Nieblers code is a monad
so Im like aha
add monads to boost => nmonads are good
 
@Xeo It's okay I plan on leaving
 
Xeo
@Cicada ... okay, you got me. /clap for you
 
12:42 AM
@Xeo 5/10 easy toy
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you know haskell ?
 
Xeo
@NoSenseEtAl Psst: boost::optional is just short of a monad.
 
@NoSenseEtAl Yes. I learned it in 2004.
 
@Xeo meh
 
@Xeo I know that, but then again I dont see magic in that... and monad bible salesmans claim it is the best thing ever
 
12:43 AM
(i.e. I learned Haskell before it was cool :P)
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Holy crap, so I'm 5 years late. :(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes did any real work in it ?
 
Define real work.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I had my first exposure in 2005.
 
Xeo
12:44 AM
@NoSenseEtAl Whoever said monads are magic?
 
artosis just went live 'Heart of the Swarm streaming!' on Twitch
 
I only started being paid to write code around 2011.
 
@Xeo like I said FP bible salesmans. :D @R.MartinhoFernandes got paid, and it runs in a real world, not academia.
 
Also, that's irrelevant. That knowledge has proven useful time and time again.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh fuck... you're infected too? That stupid hipster virus... it's everywhere
 
12:45 AM
@Borgleader I'm probably the oldest Haskell user in the lounge.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes did you ever blog about your experiences aka what exactly made you a better cpp programmer
 
Did you put pictures of yourself coding Haskell on instagram?
 
Xeo
Yes, if you consider the chat as a miniblog. :D
 
@Xeo nope :D
 
sunny
happy with music no money
 
12:46 AM
Jan 20 at 19:59, by Borgleader
You sneaky robot and here I thought you werent infected
 
@Xeo Orly?
 
@Borgleader You said that before :P
 
I don't even remember making that "joke" o.O
you really do have an infallible memory
 
Amnesia?
 
Dude I make so many shitty jokes I couldn't possibly remember them all.
 
12:47 AM
@NoSenseEtAl Proximity to me.
 
lol
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Oh, right.
 
@DeadMG whaaat
 
Xeo
@DeadMG That was so bad.
 
You can make a comment about auto const x = phoenix::bind(&vec2::x, arg1); if you want. It is a different beast than providing a functor though.
 
12:48 AM
It wasn't too bad.
 
user142019
Cloner object y u no copy.
 
Xeo
@Zoidberg Because you suck.
 
btw any of you working in finance sector, aka hft or algo trading... that is kind of place id like to be one day, so i wonder if it is actually maybe a crappy place and all my dreams are crap :P
 
Xeo
@LucDanton That was the idea I was having, just without explicit placeholders.
 
@Xeo by placeholder you mean arg1? Is that even possible?
 
12:50 AM
@NoSenseEtAl I think it helped a lot grokking TMP and the STL.
 
Xeo
@Borgleader std::mem_fn does it all day for non-placeholders of phoenix lambdas. :P
 
Feel free to answer the question btw, I won't because it's a 'can you please read out the documentation to me' kind of question.
 
But mostly it's about the way I think about code, I guess.
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Nah, do not want.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes: I did some more reading on the collation algo. Should I expect the input string to be normalized or should I normalize it myself?
 
12:52 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes any more details, exactly what about STL... bind maybe ?
 
user142019
Oh got it.
 
user142019
I passed the cloner instead of the deleter to the ctor of std::unique_ptr.
 
Xeo
@NoSenseEtAl Containers and algorithms, I'd think.
 
user142019
Hurray fuck yeah my code workz.
 
@Xeo but there is nothing functional about them, except maybe transform function, that is like a map in FP afaik
 
Xeo
12:53 AM
Did you just create a shitty value_ptr?
 
shitty_ptr
 
Xeo
@NoSenseEtAl std::accumulate == fold, std::transform == map, std::remove_copy_if == filter, and I think there were more.
 
btw I hate when ppl say C++11 is now much more functional because of lambdas... lambdas are synaptic sugar daamit const is 1000x times more functional than []
 
@Borgleader Assume normalized. Normalizing is as simple as ogonek::normalize<form>(range) anyway. But just assume it for now. I want to read more about two normal forms specifically geared for collation (FCD and FCC) before making a decision.
 
Ell
I forget what A value ptr is every time
 
12:55 AM
> synaptic sugar
aw yes
 
I like lambdas.
 
I like them too, but they arent FP
 
Xeo
@Ell A value, but on the heap, with automatic resource cleanup.
 
I don't give a shit whether they're FP or not.
 
Hm.
 
12:55 AM
I don't see why I, or anyone for that matter, should care whether C++ is FP or not.
Who cares?
 
Perhaps my shaders are doing too much.
 
Xeo
@NoSenseEtAl Erm. Wat. Lambdas are practically syntactic sugar in every language, so eh.
 
@Rapptz FP bible salesmans
 
It's a multi-paradigm language, that's all there is to it.
 
Ell
@xeo like boost::scoped_ptr?
 
12:56 AM
Just encountered another case of code in anime.
 
@NoSenseEtAl Well those people have their own problems and you're just advocating to it.
 
@Rapptz FP-prejudiced bigots.
 
Xeo
@Ell Except copyable.
 
How does one go about providing an exterior, non-commutative quotient in C++? Non-member operator/=? Yeah that sounds like less work for me.
 
12:57 AM
@StackedCrooked Wtf
 
Xeo
And it does a deep copy.
 
That's graphics programming. o_O;
 
@Xeo, what I mean they claim that now C++ is more FP because of lambdas... that is a joke
 
@StackedCrooked Looks like terrible code, btw.
 
Yeah.
Duplication.
And error prone.
 
12:57 AM
It looks like C.
 
@ThePhD and any C-like language..
 
It's got pointer accessors.
 
Being C and C++?
 
It's gotta be C or C++.
 
btw is anybody here CornedBee or something like that from C9... that guy is good
 
user142019
12:58 AM
Objective-C.
 
oh right, operator->
 
@Rapptz There are some things (mostly some kinds of function composition) that are difficult to do in C++ that some FP languages make relatively easy and natural. Whether you should care about doing those is open to somewhat more question.
 
user142019
But it's probably C.
 
It's from Robotic;Notes episode 3 at 3:50.
 
@NoSenseEtAl What do you even know about FP?
 
user142019
12:58 AM
Or C with Classes.
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked I also have to watch that. :(
And I actually have to finish Steins;Gate.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes dont be evil... you make me cry... and that changes my state...
 
user142019
lol
 
@Xeo Why the unhappy smiley? It's good to have good anime lined up :D
 
Xeo
I hear Robotic;Notes is getting like S;G with terror and despair.
@StackedCrooked But I won't have time for them all!
 

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