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Joe
9:00 PM
@not-rightfold Well by then I should have made a couple of web apps with Django too. I'm abandoning PHP before I become another elance kinda guy. If you guys need any junior devs, contact me :'D
 
if(DB_TYPE==1)
    title = redis_str("HGET menu:%d title", intval(mid) );
if(DB_TYPE==2)
    title = db_result( db_querya("SELECT title FROM menu WHERE mid=%d", mid.c_str() ) );
Abstraction status: MASTERED.
 
user1804599
@Joe Do you live in the Netherlands?
 
Joe
No but we're probably in the same time zone
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus That looks suspiciously like sprintf.
 
I don't even want to know.
No, wait a second, yes I do.
 
user1804599
9:01 PM
@Joe Well, but if you’d have to travel two megameters to go to work, it still wouldn’t work.
 
@Joe Thanks for linking this goldmine of terrible ideas.
 
@CatPlusPlus This is so SQL injection proof.
 
c_str() is new mysql_escape_string (not the real one)
 
user1804599
I love how CodeIgniter uses pg_escape_string internally instead of doing fucking actual binding.
 
user1804599
It makes working with binary data especially fun.
 
user1804599
9:03 PM
And date times.
 
user1804599
(It converts everything to string first with (string) cast, unless it’s NULL.)
 
MYSQL_RES * db_queryad(const char * format, ...)
At least they don't pass std::strings via varargs I GUESS
(It is sprintf)
 
user1804599
LOL
 
Joe
@CatPlusPlus its terrible to you cause you are close-minded. Appreciate that there are others out there who are at least trying and not simply critical
 
Xeo
Trying is good, writing horrible code is not.
And it being a "difficult topic" is no excuse for horrible code.
What Cat is posting is just bad design in general.
 
user1804599
9:06 PM
Yes I really love to do query("select bla from boo where baz = ?", [$myDateTimeObject->format('Y-m-d H:i')]).
 
Joe
@Xeo Luckily you don't write in PHP. everything is horrible there
 
user1804599
CodeIgniter is so fucking insanely terribad.
 
@Joe No, it's horrible at every level. Look. There's a reason nobody uses C++ directly for webdev. a) It's costly (in human resources) b) It's not easy c) It doesn't give you any advantages, because 99.99% webapps will never be bottlenecked enough to benefit from C++ low-levelness.
 
Joe
@CatPlusPlus just to give your day a lovely end, here is another : treefrogframework.org
 
Sorry for being too angry or whatever I guess
 
user1804599
9:07 PM
Cat says sorry. The apocalypse is here.
 
Xeo
Btw Cat, why is your avatar still the same?
 
Even GitHub can smell his terrible code. It identifies the whole thing as 50% C, 40% JavaScript and 10% C++.
(I know it has to do with the extensions, but let me have my moment ;_;)
 
Joe
@CatPlusPlus I think we've already discussed that its purely for self-learning purposes. whether they wrote crap or not, I'm not sure. But its still worth just looking at, for self-learning purposes. I think that part of the message failed to come across most of you guys who were bashing the idea (no matter how 'stupid' it seemed to you)
 
Ell
I don't think it is extensions
 
user1804599
> TAbstractController
 
9:08 PM
It's not personal, I'm a webdev, so I just cringe at the idea of C++ webdev
 
Ell
I thought it was a Bayesian classifier?
 
user1804599
Also lol Qt.
 
There's really nothing to learn from this
 
Xeo
There is
 
Unless you want to work on HipHop at Facebook
 
Xeo
9:09 PM
What to avoid, that is
 
user1804599
@Joe Don’t look at crap if you want to learn.
 
user1804599
It’s like learning from cplusplus.com.
 
Joe
@not-rightfold thats why I abandoned PHP
 
(I also react badly to people who won't listen to me, but I'm just an idiot on the Internet)
 
user1804599
Learn from good resources, otherwise you’ll learn it the wrong way and do it wrong forever.
 
9:09 PM
@not-rightfold That's why I never look at your stuff.
 
@Joe That first framework you linked is PHP in C++.
 
@Ell I don't know what it is to be honest. I assumed extensions played more of a role because one of my repos was classified as C up until the moment I changed the .h extensions to .hpp. :o
 
But somehow worse.
 
template<typename T, typename... Ts>
void log(T&& head, Ts&&... tail) { m_log << head; log(tail); }
void log() { m_log << std::endl; }

variadic templates ftw. I just can't believe we lived without them before %)
 
Ell
Ahh probably is extensions then
 
Joe
9:10 PM
@CatPlusPlus thats probably why they claim its 'fast' cause its easier to script in PHP
 
@Joe It claims many things, and none of them are true or relevant.
 
Joe
But I see bashing and ideologies are strong on the web: codinghorror.com/blog/2009/08/…
 
Ahahahah @not-rightfold seriously it is just sprintf, %s will give you nice big SQL injection vector
 
Ell
I can't do any kind of webdev
 
@Joe It claims to not have security holes too.
 
user1804599
9:11 PM
@CatPlusPlus :333
 
Ell
Apart from CSS selectors, I'm boss at them
 
It's not ideology
 
Xeo
@Abyx swallow{ (m_log << vs, 0)..., (m_log << std::endl, 0) }; // whee
 
Joe
he saw a guy bashing web programming, so he reacted. then he bashed PHP, and some Zend guy reacted
 
@Xeo doesn't work in gcc and msvc, IIRC.
 
user1804599
9:12 PM
@Joe Good idea. Do web development in Bash.
 
Xeo
It works with GCC if you define swallow as using swallow = int[];
 
user1804599
There’s even a framework for it.
 
@not-rightfold Like @StackedCrooked
 
user1804599
:D
 
Xeo
But better hide that behind a VARIADIC_EXPAND macro.
 
user1804599
9:13 PM
Ruby is basically Bash on steroids, with some Perl.
 
Joe
But considering that somehow C++ does relate to big systems, I'm sure the bigger companies need C++ guys to do heavy-lifting on some part of their engagement with users (although indirectly)
 
Seriously, C++ and webdev is just not a thing, don't waste your time on this
It's extremely gimmicky and limited in scope
 
Joe
@not-rightfold that makes me wonder, does Assembly have a framework too?
 
If you want to work as webdev, go with Java/C#/Python/Ruby
 
Joe
@CatPlusPlus See post: I intend to use django
 
user1804599
9:14 PM
@Joe ugh well you can use any C framework.
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus Isn't he using Ruby?
 
If you want to have fun with webdev, and not be suicidal, go for C#/Python/Scala/whatever
 
@Xeo and what if that workaround will be broken in next version of gcc? I'd better not use it until they fix the bug.
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus s#Java/##
 
Joe
Dont say ruby. A PHP guy already killed it in the other chatroom
 
9:14 PM
@Joe Good, it's decent thing
 
Xeo
@Abyx Arrays must be LTR initialized
 
Ruby is bad, but PHP is worse, so PHP developer is in no position to criticise it
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus Haskell!
 
user1804599
Snap and Happstack are both quite neat.
 
@Xeo yep, according to the Standard. but compilers just don't implement it yet.
 
Joe
9:15 PM
1 PHP guy even got upset with me as I was discussing frameworks. According to him, no real PHP devs use the normal frameworks out there.
 
user1804599
And PostgreSQL.Simple is most decent.
 
Xeo
Arrays were LTR-initialized since C++98, IIRC
 
@Joe He's bad
 
user1804599
FromRow type class is orgasmic.
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus He's a PHP devloper
 
9:16 PM
btw, I mentioned MediaWiki templates, this is what it looks like: mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning
 
Joe
@CatPlusPlus you probably know him. @teresko
 
And that C++ shit manages to be somehow worse
@Joe I probably don't
I managed to mock the author of Symfony once, because he was talking out of his ass
 
Joe
if you're seeking a good troll, go there now and act like a Zend fanboy. if he's there, you'll get that desired affect
 
Beh, trolling
I just openly laugh at them
 
user1804599
Cat I wanna see your face.
 
9:18 PM
No you don't
 
user1804599
It’s vexing to talk to people without knowing what they look like.
 
Mmm. The asker that apparently thinks I should be able to guess what he means has gotten quite upset, now:
 
user1804599
Because currently I just imagine you looking like Edward Snowden.
 
And that is why?
 
@sehe He's an asshole. You're awesome.
 
user1804599
9:19 PM
Because I have never seen you.
 
Now go have a beer or something.
 
Joe
I wouldn't think it impossible that some of these 50+k answer guys work for these big secret organizations
 
user1804599
So I just seem to pick a random image.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Wow. You reached that conclusion swiftly. I wonder what the credibility rating will be :/
If anyone can help me understand human interaction enough to see what I'm doing wrong (besides falling into the trap of answering a question that isn't clear-cut...)
 
Joe
routing from hong kong to mainland china to venezeula to nigeria to this room just cause you can
 
9:21 PM
> You are very generous of giving advice, may I give you one - find another job. Working with people new to some technology is not your forte.
That line.
He's making it clear he's talking straight out of his rectum.
 
@templateRex ^^ maybe one for your excellent conversational skills?
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah. I don't even know what to say. The point is: it's not about him being new to the tech. It's about him wanting help, as far as I can tell. Whether he's new to Spirit doesn't really change that much. On SO, that is.
If he were my colleague or my neighbour, well, maybe that would be slightly different, yes.
 
Here's a virtual hug.
 
Oh and I'm quite sure I don't need to point out that SO is not my job - lol
 
Joe
@sehe its partly your fault too
 
@EtiennedeMartel Much appreciated. Now, lemme see whether I can give my wife a hand - I think the youngest wet the bed. Again.
 
user1804599
9:23 PM
@EtiennedeMartel I’m overriding it and implementing it as a headbutt.
 
@Joe Wokay. I agree. What part strikes you, most?
@not-rightfold I starred it first. That's lounge syntax to make it final! Your post didn't compile.
 
@sehe wut?
 
user1804599
@sehe Nah, you made it into a pointer.
 
Joe
you volunteered to assist, knowing the guy is a noob and that whatever you say will be too complex to him. as my other post there says, theres a disconnect. I know you meant well, but you were probably best of leaving the guy to find the answer on his own, which if Spirit is popular on the web, he'd do so through google
 
@TemplateRex Start at my first message. Another comment discussion gone... bumpy
 
9:25 PM
Spirit is a complex mess
 
Joe
@CatPlusPlus and that probably explains part of the breakdwon
down
 
@Joe I don't usually assume that people are noobs. For that matter, even if they are, some noobs can become good padawans in very very short amounts of time. I've been amazed more than once.
 
He ran out of alcohol
 
@CatPlusPlus That's the problem ! Yay
 
@sehe lol, I think I upset Pete Becker by downvoting him for a nitpick
 
user1804599
9:26 PM
do webdev in C++ #yolo
 
Joe
@sehe do you answer a lot of questions here?
 
Ell
My tablet charges slower than it drains
this makes me sad :(
 
@Joe Not too much anymore. But, as you might see, I used to.
 
@Ell Your battery is toast
 
@TemplateRex Oh, your communicational skills ranking bottomed right out there. That's sad.
@Ell Even when shut off?
 
Joe
9:27 PM
@sehe aah yes, you've dedicated quite a bit of time here.
 
Are there any cool permissions at 5k rep?
 
There are no cool permissions. It's all a burden :) (jk)
 
user1804599
My battery charge decreases while compiling LLVM even when connected to power source.
 
rep is useless.
 
9:28 PM
Cool permissions start and end at 20 rep.
 
@not-rightfold Solution: remove battery.
 
Joe
I wonder if there was not a better way than stackexchange to pass knowledge on to those that need answers
 
Expert sex change dot com
 
user1804599
@sehe Lemme screw my laptop open.
 
9:29 PM
@CatPlusPlus closing questions is also fun
 
(It wasn't better)
 
user1804599
@Joe reddit.
 
Ahaha no
 
user1804599
(no shit)
 
Joe
@not-rightfold I'm questioning the Q&A format itself
 
user1804599
9:29 PM
I wish I were muslim.
 
@Joe Real life has much better ways to pass on information. The problem is, real life makes it very hard to find the right sources of that information. For that, to my knowledge, SO is unsurpassed.
 
It works sometimes
 
user1804599
I should become muslim.
 
user1804599
I want free money.
 
The whole gamification shit is stupid
 
Ell
9:29 PM
Could be the 4.2 update
 
Voting is meaningless
 
user1804599
I’m gonna vote labour party.
 
Joe
if every expert here instead created a blog passing their knowledge on, maybe that would kill a lot of 'small' problems that could be addressed in a single tutorial
 
@CatPlusPlus Agreed. But it works quite well. Necessary evil?
 
@not-rightfold That doesn't exist
 
9:30 PM
@not-rightfold Liar.
 
user1804599
@sehe I actually am, just before I move to Belgium. :trollface:
 
@sehe Nah, codinghorror is just obsessed with it for some reason
 
@sehe what can I say, I noticed an issue, and didn't get a satisfactory response.
 
@CatPlusPlus It's what they make in the US. To create jobs!
 
anyway... luckily you are going into a new job, so you can work on your forte now :-)
 
9:31 PM
@TemplateRex I'll have to go look for it myself, don't I... Oh-kay :)
 
Tag wiki edit approval. What a privilege :V
 
Ell
I think I'm gonna have to reset to factory defaults
 
user1804599
@sehe Heb jij een huis gekocht of huur je er een?
 
Ell
and flash to stock boot loader
 
user1804599
Hypotheken zijn zo duuur. :c
 
9:32 PM
@TemplateRex Love it. You're dead right. I don't know how my job entailed guiding people "new to the technology". I get the impression he thinks I'm getting payed for this or something
 
Joe
the only issue with blogging is that many guys really can't sit down and abstractly do technical writing
 
You clearly need to buy BinaryTiers commercial licence to safeguard your development investment to secure your competitive
advantage
 
@not-rightfold /jij/jullie/ - het eerste
 
Joe
voting could be flawed here too. I could thumbs up a complex answer not knowing any of the shit being said
 
user1804599
> Heb jullie
 
9:32 PM
Blogging is boring.
@Joe That's what people do.
 
user1804599
@sehe Hmm. I need to do that too, in a few years.
 
Votes are pretty meaningless.
 
user1804599
I wonder whether it will be affordable by then.
 
user1804599
I should win a lottery.
 
Joe
but this is big enough now. its not gonna change. unless i web scrape the answers into tutorials
 
Joe
@sehe is dit die netherlands taal?
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion It is Yahoo! Answers.
 
user1804599
@Joe That sounds more like African.
 
Not mind safe
 
Joe
@CatPlusPlus see this: treefrogframework.org
 
9:34 PM
Oh my.
 
Joe
@not-rightfold verstaan jy wat ek se?
 
user1804599
@Joe Ja.
 
It's a Wt offshoot or something, so it might not be completely terrible
It's still useless
 
Joe
@CatPlusPlus nou het ek n ander reason om by jou te kom werk.
 
user1804599
9:35 PM
You must be from South Africa.
 
@sehe Sometimes a discussion just gets off on the wrong foot for the tiniest of perceived wrongs, and without prior interaction / built-up respect between you and the OP, there's little chance of getting it back on track. I think your answer was quite elaborate and constructive.
 
Joe
yeah its the milder version of your impossible one
 
user1804599
Or from some obscure country where they speak an ancient dialect of Dutch.
 
user1804599
Dutch is now the most spoken language in Lounge<C++>.
 
Joe
part of your ancestors legacy was forcing every person to learn modified dutch
 
user1804599
9:37 PM
This reminds me. A new Beter spellen test will be available tomorrow. I get 4/4 every time. :F
 
Joe
then some magazine voted it the shittiest language and they lost all advertising revenue from Richemont
 
user1804599
French is the shittiest language.
 
user1804599
It makes less sense than PHP.
 
@not-rightfold Tu dis juste ça parce que tu suces.
 
user1804599
Especially it’s hilariously bad number system.
 
Joe
9:38 PM
none of you would say that if some hot french lady motivated you to learn the basic words
 
user1804599
@EtiennedeMartel Nee, dat doe ik niet. Zwijg, jij sukkel.
 
Joe
besides, everything she said would be orgams through sound
orgasms
 
@Joe French doesn't sound that sexy when you understand it.
 
user1804599
I prefer Flemish, Dutch, English and German women.
 
Joe
and with that. bonjour (hello or goodbye?)
 
9:39 PM
@not-rightfold I see you've never been to Montreal.
@Joe Hello. Usually.
 
Joe
apparently bonjour is both
 
It literally means Good day
 
user1804599
Bonjour literally means good day.
 
@Joe I usually hear it as a "hello" rather than "goodbye".
 
user1804599
It’s in the bon and the jour.
 
Joe
9:40 PM
well better to just see france as a tourist. 50% tax my ass
 
Belgium literally means Belgium.
 
user1804599
But yeah, French is shitty. C’est la vie.
 
@CatPlusPlus Not necessarily.
It can also mean Belgium.
 
Well, yeah.
Or Belgium.
But it's pretty obvious from the context.
 
@Joe France has a shitty economy, but not because of the tax rate.
 
Joe
9:41 PM
the next time I see you guys, I will have coded a 3 dimensional model of the female body to the exact gnome specifications using a CGI++ script that renders in the browser using C++
 
user1804599
@ScottW How’s women in the USA?
 
@Joe Or you could just have a wank.
 
user1804599
Are they as fat as /b/ says?
 
@not-rightfold 50% of them are obese.
 
user1804599
lol
 
9:42 PM
Oh yes
 
Joe
arent they a mixture of everything else in europe? I'm sure there are some beauties there
 
user1804599
@ScottW do hetero/bi American men/lesbian/bi American women like obese women?
 
Joe
german hair, french legs
@not-rightfold chubby chasing is a reality
 
Human stereotypes....
 
@ScottW I wish I could star that
 
Joe
9:43 PM
totsiens, bonjour, ciao, gbye
 
I like chubby girls. More stuff to grab onto.
 
user1804599
 ___________
| <<obese>> |
|   human   |
|-----------|
| fat: unit |
 -----------
 
user1804599
Stereotype.
 
Monotype because there's only one.
 
@not-rightfold tumblr
 
user1804599
9:44 PM
It’s UML. :v
 
user1804599
With a stereotype. :v
 
user1804599
Montreal
 
user1804599
I like women with a lot of leg and arm hair.
 
I like women.
 
user1804599
@ScottW I have nipple hair.
 
9:47 PM
@not-rightfold Best place in the world.
 
user1804599
My nipple hair is about the only hair on my body.
 
user1804599
Excluding limbs and head.
 
user1804599
And dick, though I count that as a fifth limb.
 
I'm quite hairy. My totem animal is a teddy bear.
 
user1804599
@EtiennedeMartel Your Facebook picture shows.
 
9:48 PM
I want to meet a girl that knows C++
that's sexy
 
I want to meet a girl that knows C++ is horrible
8
 
user1804599
@willj Insanity meets insanity.
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus brb I’ll become a girl.
 
lol
what is going on?
 
Expert sex change
 
user1804599
9:50 PM
@TonyTheLion I just became the lounge slut.
 
@not-rightfold you're replacing Scott are you?
 
user1804599
Indeed. @ScottW get out.
 
then he can finally be my spouse
instead of a slut
 
user1804599
lol
 
user1804599
I want a full lounge meetup.
 
9:51 PM
I want sanity
 
Too late
You blew all your SAN checks
It's non-rechargeable pool
 
I thought I blew some fuse
 
WLECOME TO IT INDUSTRY ENJOY YORU STAY
 
@not-rightfold Come here.
 
WOBBLE WOBBLE WOBBLE
 
user1804599
9:53 PM
Everybody go to Montreal.
 
@CatPlusPlus Seriously I thought I was losing my cynicism but its got worse
 
Don't you need visas to go to Canada or something
I'm boycotting visas
 
And all the foreign countries
 
user1804599
Everybody go to Nederland.
 
9:53 PM
@CatPlusPlus Only if you want to work or study there.
 
And my own country, too
 
user1804599
You’ll even get free money and house from the government.
 
Otherwise your passport is enough.
 
user1804599
Just tell them you’re poor.
 
Everybody go to Belgium
its in Belgium
 
9:53 PM
I don't even have a passport
 
@TonyTheLion Which Belgium?
 
user1804599
And vote for labour party.
 
user1804599
So you don’t have to work.
 
let's invade belgium
 
user1804599
According to a friend of Jimmy Neutron, Belgium is a myth.
 
9:54 PM
Get fired
 
Life's goals achieved
 
user1804599
dat food
 
Get fired. From a cannon.
 
user1804599
Remove the white–yellow crap and I will eat it.
 
user1804599
9:55 PM
Get fired. From Canon.
 
Blow up the sun
 
Its already blowing up
 
user1804599
Blowjob the sun.
 
Ye of little faith
Rule #1: everything can explode
 
user1804599
I want to know how consciousness works before I die.
 
9:56 PM
Rule #2: if the thing is already exploding, it can still explode more
Rule #3: explosives
 
@TemplateRex yeah, the elaborate part might be one of the things that comes across as overbearing. That happens to me in real life to. If the conversation partner fails to supply input/show response, I can go in "one-sided dead-horse-beating" mode. I mean that constructively, but it stops being constructive if it's one-sided. Mmm. Thanks. That's actually helpful.
 
user1804599
Rule #34: goru
 
Rule ???? Profit
 
I hate C++ IO library.
 
user1804599
Rule #174614: porn
 
9:57 PM
I hate C++ IO library FTFY
 
user1804599
(Only @sehe will get this one.)
 
@not-rightfold s/it's/its/?
 
@TonyTheLion nah, I don't hate C++ that much
 
but you hate it a little?
 
user1804599
@sehe wtf. Did I do this wrong?
 
user1804599
9:58 PM
I need sleep.
 
@TonyTheLion of course I do
 
@not-rightfold check your keyboard access audit logs
 
user1804599
Guys what’s your fetishes.
 
user1804599
Tell me.
 
9:59 PM
@ScottW Not very secret...
 

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