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7:00 PM
Says the Russian.
 
@Jefffrey Why "PositionComponent"
 
@Jefffrey Yes.
although your name is dodgy
 
Does it have PositionComponentManager too
 
and you used Vector as both a type and a template.
 
Meh, I used to care for that a lot more. Now I care mostly about avoiding radiophobia.
 
7:00 PM
Entity/component architecture, I see.
 
@DeadMG typo.
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah :)
 
Appending "Component" to your class doesn't make it that whatever marketing buzzword you want it to be
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Fission power plants are pretty fuckin' messy. I'd rather have something else.
 
@CatPlusPlus It's the component based architecture, which is... kinda useful for game programming.
 
A component is a property.
Entity/component is all the rage right now in game development.
 
7:01 PM
@Jefffrey It's a dumb name
 
@EtiennedeMartel Probably why so many recent games are shit.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I thought it was data-oriented a.k.a. we're bad at design
 
@CatPlusPlus find me a smarter one. :/
 
@Jefffrey Uh, Position?
 
@CatPlusPlus Not the same thing.
 
7:02 PM
What's wrong with data-oriented programming?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Well duh
 
Or, rather, the two concepts are orthogonal.
@Rapptz It gives less job to the programmers.
 
I didn't say it's the same thing I don't know why do you feel you need to mention it
 
..So?
 
@Rapptz There's nothing wrong with it.
Unless you're a cynical cat.
 
7:03 PM
I don't get how you're bad at design if you make your game data oriented
 
DORP as I like to call it from now on, is chopping up your code in ways a good high-level compiler could, but manually and in a shitty language
And the result is piece of crap that's neither here nor there
hth
 
@CatPlusPlus Has nothing to do with this.
I don't think you understand what "data oriented" means.
 
Can you translate that into sensible english?
 
What does it meat?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Enlighten me
 
7:05 PM
Here I thought data oriented programming was when you use files to store the data that the program utilises to affect the outcome of the program.
 
No, that's not it
 
I think that's just called "resources".
 
Well, I meant particularly in game design
 
7:05 PM
data-oriented program is "Absolutely every fucking thing, ever, must be flexible at run-time and read from a file".
 
Pretty much what DeadMG said.
 
And the reasoning behind that is that that way you can have artists and designer make the fucking game instead of asking programmers to do integration work.
 
I don't think that's bad for a game but okay?
 
I thought it was about cache lounges
Thanks Auto correct
 
7:06 PM
And integration sucks.
 
It's about inverting the data structures inside out, so they're more cache-friendly
 
@EtiennedeMartel, what do you thing about the interface above? (I ask because you seem to know something about the component based architecture).
 
It's like writing in CPS form, but for data instead of control flow
I.e. dumb
 
@CatPlusPlus Speed is important in games.
 
7:08 PM
Oh I'm sure it'd make a lovely mechanical optimisation
That doesn't make it a good code design
 
user1804599
Speed is important in speed addicts.
 
The thing is you don't have any choice.
If you need your code to run fast, you have to bite the bullet and sacrifice a bit of beauty in the process.
I'm not saying efficient code is always ugly.
And that sacrificing readability for performance is a good tradeoff.
 
That's a crappy state of the Art.
 
This "design" is ugly, makes the flow hard to follow and is generally dumb and should be done automatically
 
sacrificing beauty for performance when you don't need performance is dumb, but using tools that mean you can never make that choice when you might need to is a bad idea.
 
7:10 PM
Is all I'm saying in this stupid discussion
But hey, I guess using files is a ~~~~paradigm~~~~ now so what do I know
 
Game dev is full of bullshit.
 
That being said, we also have different problems.
 
But they're mostly brain problems
 
(Sometimes, don't bring up exceptionalism)
 
7:11 PM
Et tu Brute?
 
Oh. Hey. That sounds familiar.
 
I shouldn't press enter before I'm done with my point.
 
:justpost:
 
I like how in Latin I don't need a comma there because of the vocative.
 
Games engine use data differently. I don't recall seeing issues about streaming and level of detail and fastloading and shit in non-game projects.
 
7:14 PM
Visual Studio is not working very well through a VM.
And this astonishing 0.1 IOPS
I guess I should disable Windows Defender :cripes:
 
Whats with all the anti-game-dev rhetoric?
 
Gamedevs are bad at programming and computers
But don't worry, Apple is still worse
 
Mm
 
why are you running VS in a VM?
 
Because Windows Phone
 
7:19 PM
@CatPlusPlus Everyone is bad in your opinion.
And I can't even call you out on it because you include yourself in the bunch.
 
@CatPlusPlus you seriously need win8 to do WP8 shit? :(
 
@EtiennedeMartel Not everyone. But me definitely.
@melak47 Yes.
Emulator runs on Hyper-V and SDK refuses to install on Win7.
 
@CatPlusPlus why don't you just get a win8 tablet to run VS on :D
 
SDK you could maybe handwave somehow away
But I still need the emulator so
 
I don't see why you'd need windows 8 to be honest, its really no different from 7.
It just has a start-screen no one uses.
 
7:20 PM
@GamesBrainiac Except the SDK.
 
Hyper-V is not available in 7
 
@CatPlusPlus WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?
Oh well, VMWare it is.
 
At least I think that's the big new feature
Yeah, not available
Of course that's just market segmentation bullshit, and not any technical obstacle, since Hyper-V can run standalone and on WinServer 2008
But there you go
 
@CatPlusPlus You never asked a question on SO?
 
why do you need hyper-v do develop wp8 crap
 
7:25 PM
Because emulator requires it
(Oh you need Win8 Pro to run the emulator)
 
@CatPlusPlus so you are running win8 in a VM to run VS and the WP8 SDK to run a WP8 emulator?
 
this can't possibly go wrong.
 
7:28 PM
Its been a long time since I've played Dungeons and Dragons (the card game)
 
The... card game?
 
Yea, there is one.
And no I don't mean the board game, the card game.
 
rolls eyes
 
Its a lot like Pokemon actually.
Except you don't have those annoying energy cards.
 
7:30 PM
Yes, that definitely is a pro
 
That sounds broken
You know what, I'm going to sleep.
 
At least VMware Player has Unity mode and I can use VS sorta normally
 
Anyone here has seen Gravity?
 
not yet
Is it any good?
 
Ohmygod an accelerometer simulator
 
7:38 PM
@EtiennedeMartel I saw it a month ago ;)
loved it
 
The phone OS runs pretty smoothly, despite two layers of VMs there.
 
I watched Gravity.
 
Sounds like we need some more culture in the Lounge...ppl here don't know what Wizard of Oz is? /gasp
 
kids these days
 
zactly
So do you know the significance of the movie?
 
Ell
7:42 PM
the kids are more likely to know what wizard of oz is aren't they? o.O
 
What movie?
 
Ell
It's a children's book/film
 
wizard of oz
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes inb4 "it's a book"
 
and a movie
 
7:42 PM
Disliking SNK should be considered as a crime against humanity, and treated the same as rape.
Oh, look, a fanboy.
 
/points at the stars I think Robot knows what it is.
SNK?
 
games publisher or something
Conker's Bad Fur Day IIRC
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You know how the first scene of Wizard of Oz is all black and white and the color pops when Dorothy arrives in Oz. It was purposely made that way because up until the moment that was first shown in a theatre, all movies were b&w.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That was Rare.
 
But I wanted it well done
@Code oh, cool
 
Joe
7:45 PM
Hello guys
 
Pretty dramatic for the first color movie, I think
 
user1804599
@Joe Hiii <3
 
That's the extent of my useless trivia for today.
 
Joe
I've been looking at a couple of C++ web frameworks and I wanted to know if these things can speak to HTML, CSS and JS like other languages can
 
7:47 PM
Only HTML whisperers can
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Joe
Anybody ever wrote a web app in C++?
 
No, because it's a horrible idea
 
What about a php whisperer?
 
user1804599
@Joe Define “speak.”
 
user1804599
You can surely use AJAX and WebSockets.
 
7:47 PM
I can't even be facetious about this
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It's that dumb
2
 
Ell
ahhhhh
 
Joe
Well for example, C++ can't exactly make a website pretty, so like communicating a framework like Twitter Bootstrap with a C++ framework
 
@CatPlusPlus That's a first.
 
You have no idea about web development, stop thinking about using C++ for anything
 
@Joe You don't seem to understand what Bootstrap is.
And how C++ would be used on the Web.
 
Joe
7:49 PM
I was viewing this 1 guys website, he wrote a web server in C++ and the thing was running on an Atom laptop with 1ghz processor, 1 gig ram, etc.
 
If you are insulted by Cat, but don't know it's an insult, does it count as an insult?
 
@Joe Serving how many requests per second?
 
@CatPlusPlus not anything, everything!
 
And my Redmine instance runs on a 1 VCPU 512MB RAM so?
Do. Not. Use. C++.
I can't make it any simpler than this sorry
 
PHP being shit doesn't mean C++ is any good.
 
Joe
7:50 PM
obviously very few, but I've also heard of a bitcoin exchange running on 1gig ram
 
(Also out of those 512MB about 300 is still free)
I won't repeat myself again
 
@Joe Doesn't bitcoin mining require mostly processing power?
 
user1804599
@Joe I have no idea what you mean by “communicating.”
 
Also buttcoiners are p much all incompetent idiots
Don't look up to them
 
Joe
some of you guys make the PHP 'experts' seem friendly. As you can see, the question is a bit noobish, but that doesn't mean you have to be dicks about it. we're all here to learn
 
7:51 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Exchange, not mining
 
user1804599
C++ isn’t good at web applications.
 
user1804599
Use Python.
 
user1804599
Or Haskell.
 
Joe
its a bitcoin exchange, not a miner. its where people trade coins
 
@Joe Cat is a dick to everyone. Don't take it too seriously.
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7:52 PM
You know the places to exchange butts into actually usable currencies
 
@not-rightfold Because Haskell is a web lang? =p
 
It's not that the question is beginner-level, it's that you don't listen and make me repeat myself
 
user1804599
> web lang
 
And I fucking hate that
 
@Joe You are just being initiated into our little community. One of the requirements is to be insulted by Cat.
 
7:53 PM
Also, Cat, because of you the newbie hints are gone.
 
But no, go ahead and do websites in C++
 
So he can't really read the rules, now can he?
 
Joe
ok let me rephrase so that you guys dont kill your keyboards in anger. would it be possible to write a REST API in a C++ framework that communicates with a frontend that is dynamic?
 
@Joe Sure.
Who flagged that?
 
Am I not typing English? Which part of "don't use C++, it's not suitable for web and esp not suitable for web beginners" is hard to understand
 
7:54 PM
We get harsher stuff daily and nobody flags it.
@CatPlusPlus Microsoft did it.
 
user1804599
No. It is not possible to implement a REST API in a language in which you can write about everything.
 
1 min ago, by Cat Plus Plus
But no, go ahead and do websites in C++
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus lol why?
 
Have fun
@Ell We've been over this
 
Joe
maybe I'm better off asking this in IRC. nothing is impssible. CGI scripting in C is possible, its most efficient too.
 
7:55 PM
@CatPlusPlus What would you use Mr. Kitty?
 
:cripes:
 
what is your monocle chain attached to? anything? what if you drop your monocle?
now it is bothering me... you need a vest or something
 
I need a drink
 
user1804599
@Joe s/efficient/inefficient/
 
I hate this fucking industry
 
7:56 PM
I can do both
 
A: <question>
B: <answer that A didn't want to hear>
A: I'll just ask elsewhere. I'm sure they'll answer me there.
 
It's like talking to a really determined wall
 
Joe
Well I'm basing my question of this MVC C++ framework I found: binarytiers.org
the biggest thing they lack is tutorials. Otherwise it would be cool to learn
 
They lack tutorials, because nobody uses it
 
Ell
Fuck blue balls.
 
Xeo
7:59 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Remember, we flag trolls.
 
Joe
Yeah I figured genius.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ahaha great C++
 
There is one data structure in it?
A whole one?
 

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