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10:01 AM
@sbi How is that dependent on the browser?
 
ff+noscript ftw
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph Mine isn't sending me anywhere, from any page, unless I tell it to.
 
is it lynx ?
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph I'm not sure how else to say it. My. Browser. Does. Not. Redirect. Unless. I. Want. To.
1 min ago, by Abyx
ff+noscript ftw
I don't think it needs NoScript, though.
 
10:05 AM
@sbi That sounds extremely inconvenient, to be honest
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph Does it? How often do you encounter a redirect that's for your own good?
 
@sbi How about every single time I log in on some website …
although that’s probably a HTTP 302 …
so, forget it
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph I never get that. The only place I can think of that has a legitimate redirect which I need to confirm is the Mantis bug tracker, after you have changed a ticket. Alt+A solves that.
 
hmm, seems Chrome has no built-in way of blocking meta redirects
 
> error: invalid use of dependent type
This is new.
 
10:14 AM
auto-redirect is such a throw back to some old hippies who lived in a fluffy world where everyone was kind and honest and not a single soul would be just trying to scam you
 
sbi
@thecoshman What exactly are you trying to say? And to whom?
Stern look.
 
@sbi just that auto-redirect should not exist. to all who will listen to some mad ramblings, and/or have rum on offer
@sbi shake of empty glass
 
@sbi :P
@Sbi curious me wonders, how long have dealt with English, more then simple being dumbfounded by the non-German gibberish those drunken sun-burnt louts where staggering in your general direction?
and not a bad song at all
 
sbi
@thecoshman I am sorry to say, but I am at a loss trying to understand that drunken gibberish you just threw at me.
 
10:22 AM
@sbi How long have you spoken/read/written/understood English?
 
sbi
@thecoshman Well, it's Nick Cave from the 90s, so it is bound not to be bad.
 
@sbi o_o yes...
 
IT systems just reminded us please not to use ls -l or ls with colours since that puts too much of a strain on the servers’ file system … :/
 
@KonradRudolph (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
sbi
@thecoshman I learned some English in school, but that was on the wrong side of the Iron Curtain, so it didn't amount to much. I tried to compensate that with some enthusiasm. In the early 90s I spent three months in the US, where I learned more than in all the years before that. Later I returned for a practical semester, spending half a year mainly on the west coast.
 
10:25 AM
ergh... runtime polymorphism makes it a real challenge to work out what the fuck is going on
 
@sbi Internship semester?
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph Erm. I suppose that means figuring out which color to use (for links etc.) is strenuous on the FS?
 
@sbi You can't beat being in a country to learn a language, especially if you're not allowed to speak in your own tongue
 
sbi
@LucDanton Yep. An Internship was mandatory for my CS major. (Although it wasn't necessary to do this abroad.)
 
@sbi so almost entirely just picking it up
 
10:26 AM
Forces you to find a way to say it.. having an excuse not to translate something makes it twice as hard to learn
 
@ScottW I'm sorry to hear that. I must say that I can relate to that. Had a hard time getting concentration for work this morning. Sometimes life just doesn't feel fair. The problem is: how to deal with life's surprises
 
@sbi Yes – since it queries meta information, and some of the directories on the file system are fucking huge. I should maybe mention that we’ve got a petabyte filesystem
 
sbi
@Neil I always say that it takes three things to learn a foreign language: 1. Be there. 2. Be on your own. 3. Be hungry.
5
 
std::for_each(v.begin(), v.end(), [](int x) { std::cout << x; });
how is this wrong?
v is just a vector<int>
 
@KonradRudolph yeah, but for just one folder, it should be ok. unless you have fuck loads of people all trying to do a ls on folders that contain fuck loads of shit
 
10:28 AM
@sbi :) I like that.
 
and in these orders of magnitude, log(n) is huge. So having a B-tree as a file system data structure is no big help
@thecoshman Not when the folder has ~ 10.000 files in it. And yes, that happens here. A lot.
 
I didn't have the burden/luxury of being on my own, but I was definitely under 1 and 3 in Italy
 
@TonyTheLion Is it?
 
@Neil how can you not be hungry in Italy? Everything is so tasty!
 
no
something else in my code is though
 
10:29 AM
My wife who's Italian got easily annoyed having to translate everything, and that sort of made me have to understand.
@thecoshman 1 and 3.. ahem
 
sbi
@thecoshman I have been reading and writing a lot of English on the net since the mid-90s. Also, I have read a lot of books in English (in the last 5-10 years more than German ones) and since almost a decade I prefer to watch movies in their original English.
 
@sbi your Germlish is showing towards the end there btw
 
@thecoshman Let me tell you a secret. Don't tell anyone: Italian food is overrated
 
sbi
@thecoshman Thanks. Sigh. Oh well.
 
"and for almost a decade I (have) prefered to watch..."
@Neil hardly
 
10:32 AM
@thecoshman Tell me, what do you think a typical italian eats. I'll judge how accurate you are.
 
@sbi Wut. "Since almost a decade" - how's that not "since ever"? Who enjoys lipsynched movies... Oh, I get it: Before that time you tended to not watch any movies
 
@sbi erm... just testing
 
Xeo
@Neil Their ice cream is damn delicious, though
 
It's not their ice cream, really
 
@Xeo Tastes like American ice cream without the odd flavors they have in America from Ben & Jerry's for instance
 
Xeo
10:33 AM
Meh, whatever works. The ice cream they sell is damn delicious. Better? :P
 
@Neil I have been over with (Italian) family friends to Angry (not sure on correct spelling) near Napeals (equally unsure) for a few weeks, so I am not just sitting in some misguided reality
 
They serve Lemon, vanilla, chocolate, strawberry.. I mean, okay, good, but I'd rather have chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream
 
sbi
@sehe In Germany, basically all foreign movies are lip-sync'ed. Also, "a decade ago" I was already married and divorced once and had a few kids, so it's not that long ago to me. :)
 
Xeo
I also found the servings to be pretty big
 
@thecoshman Never heard of Angry, but Naples is what you're looking for
 
10:34 AM
@Neil, you eye-tallian aint you?
 
They spell it Napoli
 
@Neil one sec, let me get the googly maps on the case
 
@thecoshman No, I'm American born and raised. Moved to Italy
 
sbi
@Xeo If you think Italian ice cream is good, you should stop at _Kleine Eiszeit" opposite the Gethsemanekirche, the next time you're in P'berg.
 
@sbi That was exactly my point. This could imply you watch lipsynched movies for the better part of your life. I don't know whether "shock" or "awe" is my prevalent reaction to that
 
10:35 AM
@Neil oh well that explains it, Americans have no idea about good food. They just know portion size
 
Xeo
@sbi Will do, thanks.
 
@thecoshman That hurts
 
if you have multiple the same things in a vector, you can't use std::find to find every occurrance of them? Or can you?
 
10:36 AM
@sbi I'd have expected a Gethsemane church opposite the O'berg, really :)
 
@Neil It's true though :P
 
@TonyTheLion You can.
 
Not because it's not true, but because you think I don't know better. :P
 
well, maybe a bit over harsh
 
sbi
@sehe I did watch movies before that. In fact, since I was watching TV until ~20 years ago, I watched a lot more movies (on TV) back then than I am watching now.
 
10:37 AM
@LucDanton I can't seem to find a sensible way to get it to find the next item?!
 
@sbi their ice cream is so overrated
 
There are some delights to be found, but for the most part, it's just 'oh, that is a fine meal you have there, let me just batter and deep fry it for you, and have some chips on the side whilst you are at it'
 
@sbi I should really start watching movies. However, I wouldn't ever consider lip synched ones
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion Start from the last found item + 1
 
@TonyTheLion why not? find returns an iterator pointing to the found element. Then call find again with the next iterator past that
 
@thecoshman Say that to a Texan or creole
 
(In a way, I'm already starting watching movies, via the kids-proxy)
 
@thecoshman No chef would call that fine cuisine in America, though. We know it's crap
Heck, they have McDonalds here and the people who frequent it often are rather heavyset
 
What part of US you from @Neil?
 
@sbi They have an article in the English Wikipedia?! Uhm … notability?!
 
10:39 AM
@thecoshman Why would that matter?
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph We discovered them well over a decade ago, when they were just a single small window to the sidewalk, with the couple that are the owners doing all the work in the backroom and selling as well. With the gentrification of PB they now have become iconic, and that probably isn't justified. They are still pretty good, though.
 
@Neil curious, it's a rather large country that is clearly made up of more then one culture
 
@jalf you can't use that iterator returned from find to get to the next position in the vector.
 
@sbi PB?
 
I just tried it, says cannot increment iterator
 
10:40 AM
@thecoshman Prenzlauer Berg, the borough sbi was talking about
 
@TonyTheLion Demo.
 
@thecoshman I'm from the southern united states. That tends to label me as redneck or somehow ignorant, since that's the general view
 
@sbi … and that article could use a few prettier pictures
 
@TonyTheLion why not?
 
10:42 AM
@Neil ¬_¬ now serious question here... have you eaten squirrel or frog?
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph They played an important role in the East German revolution of '89. Since most of that is pretty well covered in the English Wikipedia, I was kind of hoping to find it there.
 
It's not much of an iterator if you can't use it to iterate
 
@thecoshman *piccardfacepalm.jpg*
 
@TonyTheLion you're doing something wrong then. :) It's not pointing to end(), is it?
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph Really, I could hardly care less.
 
10:43 AM
@thecoshman You assume that since I'm from the south, I would have eaten squirrel or frog. Come on man! You think we're animals! We only eat the legs of a frog!
 
@Neil how ’bout raccoon?
 
@Neil been watching 'Duck Dynasty' a show about the Robertson family who invented the awesome duck call, they seem to rave about them... wondering how good they are
@Neil well I hardly eat the entire sheep when I go for a lamb chop either :P
 
@KonradRudolph Wikipedia's Notability thing is a farce anyway. It has never been enforced consistently, and is mainly used to purge entries that some of the more inbred admins personally find uninteresting or "beneath them"
 
@KonradRudolph Bet it tastes like chicken
 
10:44 AM
@LucDanton that indentation is f’ed up
 
@KonradRudolph LWS is fucked up!
 
though if any one is offering to cook me some tasty meats... and house me... I am all up for it :D
 
@thecoshman I've never had frog legs, but they do eat them. They're supposedly taste like tender chicken legs.
Just don't ask for mountain oysters if you ever go down to the south. :)
 
mountain oysters... what on earth?
 
@thecoshman Pig testicles
 
sbi
10:46 AM
@sehe My understanding of spoken English was never all that good if it wasn't someone speaking directly with me. Also, until a bit more than a decade ago I had never been in a relationship with a woman who understood English better than me. When that changed, watching movies in their original English became an option. My understanding got better since then.
 
@Neil hey, I'd give 'em a go
 
@thecoshman My dad tried'em and said he liked'em. They had to trick him to get him to eat it though since he's very particular about what he eats
 
@LucDanton LWS?
 
Though I have to wonder how he could not realize they were pig testicles.
 
sbi
@thecoshman You wouldn't. The pigs are dead, and the only thing those testicles are good for is eating them.
 
10:47 AM
@KonradRudolph Liveworkspace auto-indentation drives me crazy.
 
@sbi lol, if we ever meat up, we best do it with chat to hand. I have a terrible 'accent' even English/Irish people find it hard at times... even my GF
 
@sbi To be honest, I appreciate subtitling. It helps, because I don't have to be constantly focused on the lines (I can fallback to quickly glancing at the subs if I got distracted for a second)
 
sbi
@sehe Yeah, when I watch a DVD, I usually watch English with English subtitles.
 
@sbi that and practical jokes
 
Has onybody ever looked at Boost.Coroutine yet? It's under review, AFAICT
 
10:48 AM
@sehe Is that the right link though?
 
Xeo
@sehe > Copyright © 2006 Giovanni P. Deretta
 
sbi
@thecoshman When I said "my understanding of spoken English was never all that good", I was referring to Merkin English. British English I don't understand at all. I had the hardest time when I was in London for a week this spring.
 
Xeo
It was under review, IIRC
 
@sbi well, we do have a local accent for each street, just be glad London has a relatively clean accent
 
@sehe er, lipsynched movies are the norm in, well, quite a large part of the world
 
sbi
10:50 AM
@thecoshman ...
 
In a way, I guess we're lucky. Denmark is too small for lipsynching to be worth the cost, so we get movies in their original language :)
 
@sbi Well, there’s two things, Cockney and RP. Received pronunciation is fairly easy to understand unless the speaker is very posh and distorts the vowels. Cockney is … not.
 
@Xeo Oh. Well, it looks like it was architecture specific any way. We should really try to build a Coroutine library off Boost Context
@jalf Yeah. So? Reading books in translation is also quite the norm. I hate doing that too (if I can avoid it)
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph Neither.
 
@sbi London people have a rather clean and 'proper' way of speaking. The more north you go, the further it descends into gerbrish
 
10:51 AM
@thecoshman lol
 
sbi
@thecoshman I once spend a week or two in the lake district.
 
And don't even think about giving Scotland ago, Even the English have to train to go there
@sbi spent. and that is rather clean as well actually...
 
You mean, there is no public transport/roads?
Are did you mean, they have to go by train?
 
That's slightly NSFW since he cusses a lot
 
@sehe train as in practice...
 
10:52 AM
@thecoshman inb4 water pollution
@thecoshman I don't have to practice any language to go somewhere. I'll just shut up
 
@sehe must be it
 
@Neil He’s doing this very annoying South Bri’ish thing though where he jus’ swallows the “”s.
 
@Neil no, Midlands
 
sbi
@thecoshman Some Italian food I like a lot. Others, I don't like all that much. If I'd be living in Italy, I'd miss quite a few things. For example, dark rye bread.
When I was in the US for half a year, we did bake our bread ourselves, once a week. And we had to bake more every month, because everyone around us started to like us. At the end of our stay, we were seriously told we should stay and open a German bakery.
 
rather chavvy...
 
sbi
10:55 AM
@thecoshman I didn't consider those farmers we talked to talking "clean" English.
 
@sbi There’s a German bakery in Edinburgh that’s making business like crazy selling rye bread
 
@sbi oh, so you found the lover of the 'r'
@Neil pretty poor to be fair
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph I think there's one in Richmond, too. But then there's quite a German population in Richmond.
 
I think the worst thing must be the dialects more so then the accents.
in some palaces, the words used are just nonsense
 
@sehe but many people do not hate it. There's a reason why it's the norm: it's what a huge number of people prefer (largely due to their english skills being not-good-enough-to-comfortably-do-without-it)
 
sbi
10:58 AM
@thecoshman That I could have dealt with. But the way they pronounced their vowels was... let's call it strange.
@thecoshman As a furriner, guessing at unknown words isn't the worst, since you are used to that.
 
@sbi yeah, I think there are parts of the UK that did not get the memo about all 26 letters
@sbi I'll take your word for that :P I barely got to grips with saying Spanish numbers, and how to read it out loud, though I had no idea what I was reading meant
lunch
 
sbi
@jalf Actually, at least in the cities here this is changing rapidly. Most people <30 educated enough to regularly read books should be able to read simpler literature in English. Larger book shops here in Berlin now have English sections. There's a cinema only showing movies in English. There's companies that declared English as their language of business.
 
@sbi yeah, but "most people < 30 educated enough to regularly read books" is probably a minority, and there are countries far worse than Germany in terms of English skills. :) But yeah, I suspect it's only a matter of time
 
@TonyTheLion What ever happened to your increment issues?
 
Xeo
@jalf What I found pretty shocking was how many people are completely unwilling and disinterested to learn English. I had 4 or so in my group at Ingeus.
 
11:15 AM
yep, people like me. most of people just don't need it
 
Xeo
Wait, aren't you talking English right now? :P
The people I meant didn't even understand half of the most basic sentences.
 
@Xeo 'disinterested' has a different meaning from 'uninterested'. I think you meant the latter.
 
Xeo
My dictionary says "disinterested" works too
 
@Xeo well, I write some stuff here, but it doesn't mean I really know English.
 
Xeo
Btw @Luc, how would handlers that return values really work?
And you also could just empty the std::function and check for empty handlers, but I don't think that's a good solution with memory in mind
 
11:22 AM
@Xeo Boost.Signals allows filling a combiner, which does just that. The result of the action is the result of combining all results.
 
Xeo
ah, I remember reading something like that
Btw thanks for the emplacement edit
 
@Xeo One of its meaning is indeed the same as 'uninterested'. I've noticed a fair number of recommendations not to use it for that meaning. YMMV.
 
Xeo
I see. Yeah, it does have a "colloquial" note in the dictionary.
 
@Xeo I think I'm starting to be Don Quixote and std::function in function parameters are my windmills.
 
Xeo
lol
 
11:29 AM
that makes about six
 
Xeo
How come they're so interested in you all of a sudden?
 
I re-wrote my CV from the sux to somewhat-OK
 
Xeo
Yeah, that usually helps
 
but now I'm up to about six
three recruiters, the guy from Oracle, the girl from Google, the guy from nearby city
 
@LucDanton just write that article to revolutionize the way people think about it. There will be mass adoption, and you'll find instant peace of mind. Presto!
 
11:34 AM
@Xeo What's Ingeus? :)
 
@sehe Don Quixote doesn't lack peace of mind, does he? It's been long since I read that.
 
Xeo
@jalf The job finding help group thingy I lately complain about because I have nothing to do there anymore :s
 
@LucDanton Sorry, I should obviously have addressed that to @DonQuixote (?) - sorry won't happen again
 
@DeadMG sounds good :)
 
I mean I wanted to make light of my 'crusade' against the misuse of std::function, not imply that I'm obsessed with it. As such, Don Quixote, not Ahab (now I haven't read that).
 
11:41 AM
Good shout
gotta clean up
 
ohh fun for desert
 
@DeadMG Has Oracle said anything yet?
 
@ManofOneWay I'm Skyping with him tomorrow
 
@DeadMG C00l. Good luck with that =)
 
so now I'm waiting for Mr. BT man to come and do my internets
so I can finally watch porn movies.
 
11:49 AM
Tony's law :D
 
Indeed :D
Everything can be abstracted into porn
wait...
is porn an abstraction?
 
@ManofOneWay Thanks
@TonyTheLion Well, logically, porn is an abstraction over redhead porn, blonde porn, porn with Jemma Jameson in it etc.
 
true
Is it closed under addition?
 
sbi
@jalf Books like Harry Potter, which most of the kids were crazy about, but which were published in English months before there was a translation, did a lot to get kids to read English books. I know several teenagers who tried to read an English book for the first time back then.
 
Ohh Harry Potter, I read the first book
 
sbi
11:54 AM
@TonyTheLion What? You read a non-technical book?
 
Yep
that's the only one
was quite an achievement :P
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Well, you are making my point for me. :)
 
Good
than you don't have to make it
 
sbi
^then
I already did, though.
 
yea, indirectly you did
 
11:57 AM
Anyone know of any tools that can turn C++11 constructs such as auto/lambdas into equivalent C++03 constructs?
 
how would that work?
It would be kind of pointless to make a C++11 if all the new features had C++03 equivalents
 
sbi
@jalf Comeau created C code. Of course, that is, I suppose, completely unreadable.
 
@jalf: for example, you might want ABI compatibility with older compilers
 
@sbi sure, but I assume he wants a tool which creates readable/meaningful code
 
and some C++11 constructs can be "easily" expanded into c++03 constructs
 
11:59 AM
@ltjax If you write code that works in C++03 then it will automagically work in C++11 as well.
 
sbi
@jalf Presumably, yeah. He didn't say so, however. :)
 

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