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9:00 PM
Jul 16 '11 at 0:18, by sbi
Dietmar Kühl is said to have, at a C++ Standards Committee meeting, spent an evening furiously hacking away at his laptop in a quite corner while everybody else was chatting over their beer, only to come out at the end of the evening with shining eyes, showing off his hack of GCC using all German identifiers, a joke that only a few of the attending committee members appreciated.
Jun 6 at 20:41, by sbi
@Drise Ha. There's this story (I heard it from Nicolai Josuttis) of Dietmar Kühl retreating into a corner for hours one night at a C++ std committee meeting in the 90s, hacking away furiously at his laptop. Late in the evening, he presented a hacked GCC that had all its keywords replaced by their German pendant. Just for fun.
 
Ell
@JerryCoffin tbh I don't see why so many people use DirectX, opengl is equally capable and cross platform, and open
 
@Ell Unfortunately, not really so open any more. Control of the OpenGL spec was handed over to Khronos a few years ago (though I guess the OpenGL board could take back direct control if they decided to).
 
@sbi Oh, it did indeed inform me, I just didn't see. The best kind of coincidence: also summoned. And yeah, I think we originally came up with C++FAQ because the questions were so repetitive.
 
sbi
@GManNickG Actually, I think this discussion is what got me joining the chat. We discussed it here first. You and @Jerry and @James, IIRC.
 
Ell
@JerryCoffin Oh I thought it was still open even with khronos? I like reading about the history of direcx vs opengl actually
I like reading about programming related history
 
9:08 PM
@sbi Sounds about right.
 
@Ell Still somewhat open, but not like it used to be.
 
Ell
ahh okay
 
@sbi I recall being in the discussion, but I'm pretty sure I didn't start it.
 
sbi
Look, @GMan & @Jerry, I dug it out:
Oct 26 '10 at 6:37, by sbi
Has one of you guys seen the discussion GMan and I had recently at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3997700/can-we-create-static-array-with-a-size-that-is-an-execute-time-constant/3997733#3997733
Oh yeah, back then, Roger was still on board. Nice chap, too bad he left.
 
Ell
I don't understand how people "leave" websites
 
9:14 PM
I'm thinking of going to Paris quite soon, I've heard there is an amazing organ in one of the churches there. Alas I've lost the name of the church. Any ideas?
 
@Ell They cease participating. That's not always a bad thing though. Some people make happiness wherever they go. Others, whenever they go.
 
sbi
@Ell It was a conscious decision on his part. I think he said he put too much into this (he was also very active on meta), and he could neither tone down, nor keep it up. So he left. He has admitted to me later, though, that he dropped into the lounge once in a while, under a pseudonym. However, I don't know whether he still does it. OTOH, for all I know, you could be his alter ego.
 
Ell
Haha I could be, you never know :)
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin That's a funny pun, it doesn't apply to Roger, though. I don't think many were happy to see him leave.
 
@CaptainGiraffe The organ at Notre Dame is pretty famous (though it's hardly alone in that).
 
9:16 PM
@sbi Yeah : (
 
@sbi That's certainly true. I didn't mean to imply that it could apply to Roger, and if anybody thought I did, I apologize. I still miss Roger.
 
folks
 
@Cicada Good Mornafterevening.
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@JerryCoffin Thanks for the input, but it's not ND I'm thinking of. I was told it had an 11 Hz pipe, a life changing experience. No sound just a rocking chest=)
 
sbi
@Cicada Still in there, Johannes? You sure you don't need help?
 
9:19 PM
@CaptainGiraffe The other obvious one would be Saint Sulpice.
 
@JerryCoffin Hi there Jerry!
@sbi I'm comfy.
 
@IDWMaster Some.
 
sbi
Where do you live, @Cicada?
 
It says on my profile.
I spent my first 17 years of live as a larva, underground.
Now I live on tree barks. Mostly.
 
sbi
@Cicada Ah, I should have looked first.
 
9:21 PM
@Cicada LOL (literally).
 
@JerryCoffin This might well be the one. Huge thanks!
 
@CaptainGiraffe Surely.
 
hey there
can someone help me?
how do image eclipse auto import?
 
sbi
@Cicada Mostly.
 
the fuck?
 
9:26 PM
@javawarrior Do not stare at the sun!
 
haha captain
 
sbi
@javawarrior Read the newbie hints, linked from the right-hand panel.
 
ah of course
so sorry.....
wait, can i use c++ in mac?
 
No c++ is prohibited on MACs.
 
@javawarrior of course you can
 
9:28 PM
g++ on the other hand might be good.
 
captain shut up
oh nevermind
 
oh man, this girl I talk to every so often, she cracks me up :)
 
@javawarrior you should try asking on a site where people answer programming questons. Like stackoverflow.com or something
 
mooing, how would i do so
 
@javawarrior use a C++ compiler
 
9:29 PM
this is stack overflow...
 
@javawarrior this is a chat room, not a place where we answer questions.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Like one cracks an egg?
 
true, but i get better results
 
@javawarrior even worse, you're in a chat room for lounging
 
@sbi lol
 
sbi
9:30 PM
@javawarrior No, all you will gain is getting plonks. Now off you go, read those newbie hints, and then you know if and why whatever you want to ask is wanted here.
 
@javawarrior It doesn't look like you're getting results to me, but you are irritating us. I wouldn't be surprised if half the room already has you on their ignore lists. Read the newbie hints in the right panel.
 
@TonyTheLion That was a really disenchanting lol.
 
@TonyTheLion lucky for you buddy :)
 
@DeadMG :)
@CaptainGiraffe not sure how you come to that conclusion, but anyways
from now on I'm gonna call @sbi CaptainTroll :P
 
sbi
9:32 PM
@TonyTheLion What? What for?
 
cause you always seem to make mock of things I say, and at times it's funny, but I don't always appreciate it
 
@TonyTheLion The "cracks an egg" image was not a loving one in my mind. I do wish the best for you though; of course.
 
@CaptainGiraffe oh...
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion And the two (it being funny or not vs. it being appreciated or not) are even orthogonal!
 
sbi
9:36 PM
Hey, @Cicada, I just learned that in America there are Cicada Killer Wasps, and they eat the likes of you for breakfast. I hadn't known that. Another interesting fact is that there are several hundred cicada species each in Africa, Europe, America, and Australia, but only a single one in England.
@TonyTheLion Never mind, went over your head.
 
Ell
Haha England does not suffer from insectile vermin
 
meh, and now it's over my head...
 
Ell
actually that is a lie I have a permanent fly infestation in the attic :/ it is so disgusting
 
are you doing that on purpose?
 
sbi
@Ell We're talking only cicadas here!
 
Ell
9:38 PM
they are the grasshopper things, right?
I will google
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Why would anyone having an insectile vermin infestation in the attic on purpose?
 
sbi
@Ell Um. Not quite.
 
got a new haircut today
 
@sbi revenge
 
9:39 PM
i think my last haircut looked better
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb Too bad for chirpie. Now she did it all for nothing.
 
Ell
Hmm it appears they are not grasshopper things :L
 
what's chirpie?
 
@sbi that was supposed to follow my other comment
 
sbi
@Ell Yeah, surprisingly, them having different names seems to correlate with them being different things. It's rare, I know, but that happens.
@TonyTheLion Oh god, I did not know that!
@JohannesSchaublitb A thing that chirps.
 
9:40 PM
the girl that did it today asked too much questions. like whether i have a GF and whether I live alone an so on
 
@sbi sarcasm detected
 
and they dutzt everyone
i don't like that
 
@JohannesSchaublitb She gave the haircut she wanted. overly_attached_girlfriend.jpg
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Finally!
@JohannesSchaublitb How do you know she does that to everyone? I bet she wouldn't have done it to me.
 
@CaptainGiraffe yes she said "just lemme do it i will show ya"
 
sbi
9:42 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb Start reading here.
 
@CaptainGiraffe Was the haircut any good?
 
'cause I didn't know what looks good and what not
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb Well, now you know! :D
 
@sbi folks came in and they dutzed everyone
also an old greyhopper
 
Dutzed?
 
sbi
9:43 PM
@CaptainGiraffe That's Denglish.
He's referring to the informal way of addressing someone in German.
 
ikea also does that
 
@sbi well, I don't find your sarcasm to appropriate at all times. It's very hard to see when someone is being sarcastic on a written chat. FYI
 
Is there a translation available?
Du = you?
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb Well, they are Scandinavian. AFAIK, it's way more common there.
 
It is yes
 
9:45 PM
@CaptainGiraffe mature people say "Du" to kids. mature ppl say "Sie" to other mature people
it's a form of expressing respect to the other one
 
Aha, the did not speak of you in third person?
 
I don't believe there are many Scandinavians working in deutsche IKEA though
 
keeping distance
 
@JohannesSchaublitb So what do kids say to mature people and other kids?
 
@sbi :( Killer wasps are cruel and brutal.
 
9:46 PM
I understand. I'm from those scandinavian lands and I dont understand this behaviour.
 
@Insilico they say "Du" because they don't know the cruelness of the world yet xD
@sbi ohh i see
 
ohh i Sie ;)
 
sbi
@CaptainGiraffe Not into English, no. In English, the old formal addressing ("you", 2nd person plural) is nowadays used for both formal and informal addressing. The old informal addressing ("thou") is only used in Biblical contexts. In German, and many other languages, this is not true. Informal you use "Du" (2nd person singular), formal you use "Sie" (3rd person plural).
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Would you Sie @sbi if you met him?
 
9:47 PM
@ManofOneWay no xD
 
What are the general rules?
But @sbi is old and grumpy
 
sbi
@ManofOneWay No, but they try to convey the spirit. I have yet to hear an Ikea ad that is not spoken with a Swedish accent.
@ManofOneWay Yeah, I'd teach him respect in no time!
 
Is there a Swedish accent of Deutsch?
 
sbi
@Insilico What they say to adults depends on their age (younger ones still have to learn the formal addressing), their relationship to those adults, the circumstances, etc.
 
9:49 PM
I suppose we all agree that respect is earned and taught at the same level. An understanding of thoughts and ideas.
 
when I was young I sometimes annoyed teachers by saying "Sie"
they don't usually like it when kids do that
 
@sbi Reminds me of the system used in the Vietnamese language.
 
Ell
Somethings going on, let me smell yo dick
 
@ManofOneWay No. Swedes can't grok Deutsch. (source: Swede)
 
sbi
@ManofOneWay The general rules are complicated, implicit, depend on the social context, your social background, and are constantly changing.
 
9:50 PM
Vietnamese pronouns can act as substitutions for noun phrase. While true pronouns exist in Vietnamese, most are rarely used in polite speech. In most cases, kinship terminology is used when referring to oneself, the audience, or a third party. These terms might differ slightly in different regions. Many of them are derived from Chinese loanwords, but have acquired the additional grammatical function of being pronouns over the years. Vietnamese terms of reference can reveal the social relationship between the speaker and the person being referred to, differences in age, and even the attitu...
 
sbi
@ManofOneWay Of course!
 
Because I know you guys don't watch anything on TV without dub, it would surprise me if the commercials where in English.
 
There's a lot of pronouns that you use depending on who you're talking to. :-/
 
sbi
@ManofOneWay "You guys"? Germans? First, I don't watch TV at all. Second, if I go to an English movie, I usually go to the one cinema in Berlin that shows them in their original language. And third, everything gets dubbed for Germans.
Of course, @Cicada, a punk on the street will just address me informally.
 
Yeah I realized it 15 secs after.
 
9:53 PM
@sbi Would you be mad if I didn't Sie you?
 
Ell
"Smelliot, i loved our R.S. lessons and how funny you are. i like how you were in my form for 2 years and we were good mates by the end of it :) im gonna miss you tons! :( xxx" - talk about a heartfelt goodbye :L lots of personal anicdotes in there :L
 
sbi
@ManofOneWay I am not exactly the formal kind of guy. Also, most programmers are used to informal addressing, due to the web being so dominated by American culture, where everyone is addressing everyone by their first name.
 
@sbi My impression of Americans is that sir, mam and its ilk are necessary.
 
@sbi I don't think that it's dominated by American culture so much as it's dominated by English
 
@Cicada How is France then? Do you still hate everyone visiting your country that don't speak French?
 
sbi
9:55 PM
@CaptainGiraffe Yeah, but only in rare formal circumstances. How often have you been sir'ed on the web?
 
@sbi The web style is the style I prefer.
 
sbi
@Insilico The British are a lot more formal than the Americans, though. If the web was dominated by them, we'#d all be a lot more formal and polite.
 
@sbi I actually get sir'ed by a lot of people who are learning English as a second language.
 
@Insilico My apologies. Dear sir.
 
@sbi After watching too much Top Gear, I have a hard time believing that. :-P
 
sbi
9:57 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb For one of my kids, the teachers in 6th grade (kids are ~12yo) still have the kids address them informally by their first name. For another one, the teacher had them formally address her (Mrs. X) from day one in first class. (The latter is the better teacher, BTW.)
@Insilico Yeah. Those are not yet adjusted to the informal Merkin way of the web. :)
@Insilico Living without a TV, I have never seen it, nor do I know what it is.
 
@ManofOneWay Yep, particularly englishmen like you!
 
@sbi Even ESLs living in America do that too, it's a bit weird to me.
 
sbi
@Insilico Those are not yet adjusted to the informal Merkin way.
 
We particularly dislike English / American people who come to France and make 0 (zero) effort of speaking French.
 
@Cicada I'm Scandinavian
 
9:59 PM
We're not asking you to be bilingual or anything, just a few words will do.
 
"Oui".
 

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