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12:00 PM
@KonradRudolph Same here.
 
@DavidRodríguezdribeas I've got to agree with @KonradRudolph on that. Library may ask for shared pointer, but that doesn't mean it's coded well.
 
@CatPlusPlus what's rule #1 again?
 
@TonyTheLion We don't care, and if you're annoying, we don't care even more.
 
@TonyTheLion It's the "no fucks clause".
 
@KonradRudolph The point here is that the holder of the shared_ptr might not know that the class needs to create shared pointers as an implementation detail --but the design warrants that the object is held by shared_ptr (for example, it can only be constructed through a factory that returns a shared_ptr)
 
12:01 PM
I can't think of an example where that'd make sense.
 
@DavidRodríguezdribeas That's hiding the problem in implementation details. Why does a factory return shared_ptr then?
 
As of reasons why the callback might need a shared_ptr is asynchronous (a callback in an asio library, a timer callback) where the main user of the object might relinquish ownership (it's share of it) before the callback executes
 
@CatPlusPlus ah right
 
I dunno. I'm not convinced.
 
bob
@RMartinhoFernandes ok solved it, it was just a #include issue. I'm really sorry for the trouble. Thank you very much for helping me find the problem by asking the right questions
 
sbi
12:04 PM
@KonradRudolph Thanks for making me aware of such nonsense. One more thing on my checklist for job interviews to go through with potential employers.
 
@David OK, that use-case sounds pretty restricted but I can’t see a reason against it. However, could you maybe look at this question and say whether you think it’s useful to generalise this to obtaining a shared pointer from a general raw pointer?
 
I can tell you that we are using a much more convoluted approach to solving the issue where that would make sense. A Session object that maintains the state of an application session in a proxy-like application. Requests come and are forwarded upstream using an asynch library. If the downstream connection closes, the SessionManager needs to destroy the Session, but somewhere deep in the asynch libraries there are references to the Session object for the asynch callbacks
 
sbi
@Ell The bad thing about GPL is that it is contagious. Everything that comes in contact with GPL gets infected. And IMO that's the only reason it's as far-spread as it is.
 
sitting around waiting for post push build... helps if I actually push changes
 
@KonradRudolph The question is based on the false premise that you can obtain the first shared_ptr with shared_from_this, which you cannot (AFAIK, you could not in boost for sure, and it does not make sense here either -- enable_shared_from_this holds a weak_ptr to the object, obtained when the first shared_ptr is created in the boost implementation)
 
sbi
12:08 PM
@CatPlusPlus I can see them having an interest in you not creating a competitive business to theirs. Let them put a clause into my contract preventing me from creating my own business in the same domain for 2 years. Fine. But software I write in my spare time I should be allowed to publish for free under any sane OSS license.
 
Usually when you have to turn to such extreme measures, it seems like you fucked up somewhere along the memory management road.
Doesn't look like code I'd like to be stuck with, honestly.
 
@sbi I wouldn't like that kind of clause either.
 
@sbi that's a point, I can't recall the exact details in my contract about doing stuff out side of work. IIRC it's that I have to declare if I am doing anything that could compete with them...
@CatPlusPlus AFAIK it's a common sort of thing, they need to try to avoid people just stealing IP
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus Few employees would like it, but it's a clause I could understand.
 
They can prosecute for stealing IP without clauses like that.
 
12:12 PM
If there are such things involved which dampen creativity and freedoms of a programmer who is fundamentally built to experiment and create things, you don't want to work for such a company.
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph Anyway, it's a stupid clause, because it cannot be enforced. Just take the damn code and post it somewhere anonymously, using any license you want. Problem solved.
 
Or the pay is high enough for you to sell your pride. :P
 
@sbi I think german conventions are more similar to the dutch contract conventions, since I fully recognize that kind of contract clause. I was seriously surprised by Konrad's license requirements.
 
Meh, I could live off fine for 2k/month, and that's not even average.
 
@sbi Well, it’s mainly to protect against commercial use of the code, and I guess there it works fine
 
sbi
12:13 PM
@CatPlusPlus It's expensive and risky, though. If an employer can exclude something through a contract, it's much easier to enforce in court.
 
@CatPlusPlus 2k/month is a reasonable salary
 
sbi
@sehe So far, I have had neither clause in any contract of mine.
@thecoshman That depends on where you are. I suppose in London you could barely rent an empty room and feed yourself from that.
 
@sbi Really. Now that surprises me too.
 
but I don’t want to post my code anonymously, and I don’t want to use GPL … I’ll actually escalate the issue with my boss when I find a bit of time to do so, he has already signalled that he’s happy to do so. It’s probably possible to find an individual solution (= i.e. get permission to use another OSS license)
 
My rent + bills is currently ~800.
 
sbi
12:15 PM
@KonradRudolph I don't understand. You mean the clause to publish under GPL is to prevent commercial use?
 
I use about 400-500 for food and stuff.
 
@sbi Well, I know for a fact that German Universities do have this clause (at least TU & FU in Berlin).
 
@KonradRudolph Sounds like a sensible thing, really. If it's not exposing your employers (potential) IP, it should be fine, in my opinion
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph Enforcing GPL, or enforcing OSS? ?
 
@sbi Yes – or in general to prevent commercial usage from which the company doesn’t benefit. But since I’m working for a public research institute, things are a bit different
@sbi Enforcing IP transfer to the University
 
12:17 PM
@CatPlusPlus Per month? Wat?
 
Hello everybody.
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus That's a lot. I feed me and all my kids from less than that. Even considering that German food prices are totally unreasonably low, that seems way too much for me.
@KonradRudolph I am still confused over what clause you are referring to.
 
@sbi You are living in Berlin, mate
 
Yeah I spend less than half of that in food!
 
Maybe less. I buy a lot of premade food.
 
12:18 PM
Oh that might explain it.
 
I tend to visit my mother to eat.
 
3 pizzas and a salad and a burger and 50 is gone.
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph Shrug. So? I might have to spend this amount in London to feed all my kids. He lives in Poland.
 
@sbi “Marketable intellectual work you perform when employed at a company belongs to the company, regardless of whether the work was done outside of work hours.”
 
Not that I'm cheap, she just cooks some amazing stuff.
 
12:18 PM
@CatPlusPlus That's fucking expensive
 
@sbi Ah, that’s weird then
 
@CatPlusPlus 3 pizzas? A burger? In one day?
 
@DomagojPandža No, in 3 days.
On average.
 
@CatPlusPlus lol, salad :P
 
Oh, you got me worried there. :D
 
sbi
12:19 PM
@CatPlusPlus Well, there you go. Buying thus is certainly expensive.
 
@thecoshman Salads are win, you know nothing.
I don't care.
As long as I earn enough to keep the balance around 0/+.
 
@CatPlusPlus yeah, who am I kidding, a bit of salad really does help make a meal
 
I have a buffer on my account in case something goes terribly wrong.
I like to think I'm reasonably secure in terms of finances.
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus If you had cooked your own food, maybe you had been able to pay for a better room, where none of the owners walks through your private space. Priorities.
 
@CatPlusPlus keeping you self at roughly no money is not secure.
 
12:21 PM
Well, that room cost me 450, plus 100-200 for bills.
 
@sbi what? he really skimped for such a shit hole?
 
Now I have one for 600 plus ~150 for bills and it's my own and fuck yeah.
@thecoshman I keep myself above a buffer.
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph That's a damn gagging clause. Live would have to be much harsher to me than it is now to make me sign such a contract.
 
@sbi Actually, I’m not sure how enforceable that is anyway
 
lol. I pay around 320€ / month for my room and about 200€ for food.
 
12:22 PM
I just have to pay bills :D and renovation/modernisation costs ¬_¬
 
especially not in German law, with Sittenwidrigkeit and all that
 
See, I don't use €, I use PLN.
So multiply your own by 4.
 
And you say that now?
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph Yeah, but you might have to defend yourself against them suing you. It's much better to never sign such a clause.
 
12:23 PM
so, you've been talking in the currency that only you use all this time?
 
@CatPlusPlus I must say it was the first thing I thought when you started throwing numbers. "What unit"...
 
@sbi No, they have to sue to enforce it ;)
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus What?
 
€ is clearly the default currency to talk in here, as nearly all of us use it
 
@sbi What what? We're not in the euro zone yet.
 
12:24 PM
silly polen
 
@thecoshman Well, als long as the currency is specified, any which one wil do
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph Makes no difference to the gist of my statement.
 
@Cicada polen allergy?
 
yeah polen so poor
 
@CatPlusPlus I very nearly fell out of my chair. I could have sworn that you were
 
12:25 PM
it was a pun
 
@sehe oooooh!
 
@thecoshman it was a pun
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus Well, if you throw a number around here that refers to money without adding a currency, we'd certainly expect you to refer to the most common currency here in the room.
 
@sehe so was mine
 
@sbi or dollars, IMO
 
12:26 PM
@KonradRudolph +1
 
Because I'm totally not too lazy to recalc everything into EUR.
 
@Cicada sorry, I didn't follow it
 
@sehe bleh, USD (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
@thecoshman so what
 
@sehe you lack training
 
12:26 PM
@Cicada so, teach me please explain :)
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus That's totally fine. You shouldn't have been too lazy to add your currency designator, though, and we'd have asked earlier for the exchange rate.
 
@sehe polen => poland
 
Okay, okay.
 
@CatPlusPlus don't need salad if you eat pizza. Pizza is a vegetable. Healthy enough !
 
MY BAD.
2
 
sbi
12:27 PM
@Cicada What does that mean? You are sending all your pollen to Poland? Then it's all going to pass through Germany!
 
SILLY POLEN MEANS FUCK YOU POLAND
 
@Cicada so, what is the pun? I mean, the fun part, not the funny spelling, because that is just... funny spelling. "polen so poor" doesn't work to get endorfines moving in my head
 
In a cute, moth-like way.
 
there we go :D
 
12:28 PM
@sehe polen is just a common way to refer to poland (at least it is on somesiteiwillnotname)
 
@KonradRudolph They talk about it, and talk about it, and fail to do anything.
 
sbi
@Cicada "Polen" is the German name for Poland.
 
@sbi Is not! Dutch!
 
sbi
@sehe Dutch is just a backwards German dialect.
 
@Cicada So yours was not a pun. Mine was. The ape got it
 
12:30 PM
I don't know if it'd be better if we switch to euro or not.
 
@sbi wouldn't that be ?tcelaid namreG
 
@sbi Au contraire. German is an archaic language evolved from the same roots as Dutch
 
Mine was a pun, from an english point of view
 
Knowing this backward-ass country, probably not.
 
Both Dutch and German sound horrible, sorry.
Dutch is actually worse.
 
sbi
12:31 PM
@sehe You might want to look into your national anthem's lyrics. :)
 
@Cicada True. But we can do without it
@sbi Meh. Unrelated. Blood != language. Also, it doesn't address the question of which dialect is more advanced/backward
 
sbi
@sehe Dutch simply didn't undergo some vowel shifts most of the other Germanic languages and dialects underwent at some point (12th or 13th century? IDK) in the medieval age. That's why you're backwards.
 
Finally, our languages have evolved from the same roots since waaaaaaaaaay before that anthem. And the anthem refers specifically to the lineage of Willem van Nassov. Dutch was already very much it's own language then
@sbi You're absolutely mistaken with Frysian now
 
sbi
@sehe That might be part of this, too, IDK.
 
Also GER and NL are genetically closer to extinction than other countries
Take that, blondies.
 
12:35 PM
genetically closer to extinction?
 
@Cicada so she said
 
@sbi Dutch has shedded all archaic formalism as umlauts, casing, capitalization and funny declinations for 'respectful addressing'? ("Möchten Sie bitte" - what? "Sie" is plural now :))
@Cicada genetically [citation needed]
 
2 mins ago, by Cicada
Also GER and NL are genetically closer to extinction than other countries
There
 
1 min ago, by thecoshman
genetically closer to extinction?
 
You're Doing It Wrong
@Cicada Ah
 
12:39 PM
I read that in Science & Blondies
 
You read too much
 
sbi
@sehe I would have to read up on this to be sure, but currently my believe is that these all came much later. IOW, you Dutch simply never got to that point.
 
citation needed
 
sbi
@Cicada See here for science and blonds.
 
@sbi that video is so bad
 
12:47 PM
@sbi Hahaha. That's why ancient greek, (hebrew,) latin all have the same artefacts, and hardly any Western language (outside German) has it... That's obviously because the dead languages have evolved further than English, French, Dutch, Italian.
Heck, even Italian has left these remnants of language evolution behind:
> Italian grammar is typical of the grammar of Romance languages in general. Cases exist for pronouns (nominative, oblique, accusative, dative), but not for nouns
 
sbi
@sehe Well, it seems I messed up badly, but will come out as being right anyway. According to Wikipedia, there was indeed a vowel shift (ca. 1350-1500, IIRC), but that affected most (all?) Germanic languages. However, what I remembered was the High German consonant shift (between 3rd and 5th century), which most other languages, including English, Frisian, and Dutch, didn't make.
Your consonants are thus mostly unchanged since ~250AC — which was my point.
@sehe Oh, I must have overlooked those grammar references, if you made them. I was referring to umlauts.
 
@sbi Meh. Consonants are merely the way the words sound. However, the rest of the language is structural baggage
 
structural garbage*
 
sbi
@Cicada Read my messages from yesterday starting here
 
@Cicada Move to NYC... just the rent is $2400 for me, and I am in East Harlem (Spanish Harlem) which is Manhattan but not really fancy
 
12:49 PM
@sbi The European Commission learned the hard way that what goes online, stays online.
 
Gotta leave now
 
"The original video was taken down after it received so many negative comments."
 
@DavidRodríguezdribeas Actually Cat was counting in PLN which is 1/4 €
So it's cheap as fuck
 
A fuck is cheap? Because I don't give one.
 
sbi
@sehe Aw, so you merely sound backwards, huh? Oh well. Could it be that, if the grammatical structure is similar, but the sound is backwards, this could be described as a "backwards dialect"? :b
 
12:51 PM
A fuck is a priceless resources, especially on SO.
 
sbi
1 min ago, by sbi
@Cicada Read my messages from yesterday starting here
 
@DavidRodríguezdribeas Maybe it is not fancy, but you have teh best orchestra !
@DomagojPandža YOU are cheap. Not giving fuck is really greedy
 
How did I manage to add an s to resource? Damn.
 
Are programmers encouraged to add throw() to functions which meet the nothrow guarantee? I.e. does it matter if the compiler knows about it?
"A non-inline function is the one place a "throws nothing" exception-specification may have some benefit with some compilers." (http://www.gotw.ca/gotw/082.htm)
Why non-inline functions only? Why not inline functions?
 
1:03 PM
@robert if it's inline the compiler can prove that anyway without you needing to tell it
 
@sbi No. I don't even think normative judgements apply to the sound of language. My point is, that even though words may have started being written differently, the effective sound may have stayed roughly the same, or vice versa.
 
sbi
@sehe Ah, now you're just trying to weasel out of being defeated.
 
@sbi I'm not squirming/wiggling out here: you merely say that German is much more advanced.... because it suffered a vowel shift? Bwahaha. We changed the colours on the CRT monitor, so it must be more advanced than your flatpanel (which 'missed the color shift'.)
The structural complexity of the language is much much more intrusive and German still lugs all of that around where 'competing' modern languages have moved on miles ahead
 
@Flexo So, the fact whether a function implements one of the guarantees or not, should usually not affect that function's signature at all, right?
 
@sbi (Notice how, since you are making an effort to polarize this, I'm upping my word choice just to register my point with you)
 
sbi
1:08 PM
Really, I said "Dutch is merely a backwards German dialect", and you are trying to seriously defend yourself against such a joke, rather than shooting back with another one? Meh. Go away. You lost the plot.
 
@sbi ?! who said you cannot joke using actual arguments? It's what nerds do
 
As as I'm concerned, German and Dutch are both backwards.
 
This is still sparring, you know
 
sbi
@robert I tend to think of throw() in the same way as of const. It is contagious in that it affects what you can refer to (if you are const, in order to refer to something, that has to be const, too), but not in what it is referred from (you can refer to something const from both const and non-const arguments).
 
@robert I think if I was starting from scratch I'd use noexcept if I had it (C++11) via a macro that does something sensible if you don't..
(the other exception to that advice being if you want to generate interfaces using SWIG using %typemap(throws))
 
Elitism.
 
@EtiennedeMartel what's kiffes?
 
(you) "like" / "dig"
@EtiennedeMartel really cool gifs. And a lot of those
 
I'll be offline till tomorrow ;_;
 
@Flexo French slang for "like". Only found in France. I heard it comes from hashish. Don't ask me why.
@CatPlusPlus NOOOOOOOOO.
 
1:20 PM
Byeeeee.
;__;
 
@CatPlusPlus :O take care man
 
sad_face.jpg
 
download ALL the porn!
 
@KonradRudolph What's this sound? Is it pain? Yes, I think it is.
 
I tried to learn French slang by reading VDM a while back but there's still loads I don't recognise
 
1:23 PM
@Flexo It's hard, especially since the slang varies greatly by region.
 
@EtiennedeMartel It does?
 
@LucDanton Har har.
 
No, I'm curious.
 
Le mot "kif" est utilisé dans la langue arabe voulant dire "comment". Il est prononcé "kayf" en langue soutenue. Rien à voir avec le cannabis ou tout autre rapport avec la drogue, contrairement à son mode d'emploi dans les pays européens. Ce mot francisé, il devient une signification péjorative utilisée dans des dialectes arabes. Signification Dérivé en verbe, kiffer ne désigne de fait plus uniquement l’action de fumer du haschich, mais également le plaisir qui y est associé. Dans son acception actuelle, kiffer signifie alors plus simplement "aimer", "être fou de quelque chose ou de q...
 
I mean, it gets to the point where you might think it's a different language altogether.
@LucDanton Ever been to Quebec? We don't even swear the same way.
 
1:26 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Can you find that on VDM?
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Well, "kiffen" means "smoking cannabis" in German. Also: urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kiff
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@LucDanton I don't think so.
 
sbi
Damn, can't one see the history of a deleted Wikipedia article?
 
Hmmm.
I don't think it's an accurate translation.
 
@sbi probably only 10k users :)
 
1:30 PM
@EtiennedeMartel I thought you were only considering continental differences, i.e. that could be found there (I don't read VDM though so was not sure).
 
sbi
@Flexo Bloody deletionists!
 
you know how the common mistake of 'alot' spawned the creature? does that now mean that alot is a valid word?
 
I have alot of doubt.
 
@EtiennedeMartel is the right hand one French? What does it translate to?
 
@thecoshman "The cold mug of the keeping", with grammatical errors.
 
1:43 PM
@LucDanton lol. Those crazy Candians
 
I was expecting that to be straight out of some free online translation service
but can't find it anywhere
 
@thecoshman In Quebec, a law forces any product to be available in both French and English. Some manufacturers don't give a shit and just Google translate the thing.
 
@EtiennedeMartel do the people care?
 
@thecoshman Some do. Most don't. Either way, it leads to incredibly funny translation. Such as this snow pusher.
 
@thecoshman Yes, if you use it to mean the creature.
Not if you use it to mean "many".
 
1:48 PM
@EtiennedeMartel that's such a brilliant choice of word for pusher
 
@EtiennedeMartel lol
Snow drug dealer.
 
In other news, cookies.
 
@DomagojPandža they have been out of my life for too long
or do you mean borring web site cookies?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Wow, you seem so excited.
 
bob
1:53 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes you took your time to answer that :)
 
@bob Sometimes robot gets distracted, a conversation gets pushed out of his queue and doesn't get addressed until he re-parses chat.
 
1. (1) No person shall organize a dwarf tossing event or engage in dwarf tossing.
Seriously?
 
Seems like it.
 
bob
@SamDeHaan I guess so lol
 
1:55 PM
@DomagojPandža Seems reasonable, really. dwarves are people too, you know.
 
Yeah, but I wonder why they don't also outlaw any form of people tossing.
It's a double standard, that's what it is.
 
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A: anti-aliased pixel rendering

FredOverflowThere was a bug lurking in my code for half a year: double weight_x1 = x - x0; double weight_x0 = 1 - weight_x1; double weight_y1 = y - y0; double weight_y0 = 1 - weight_x1; // BUG Can you see the bug? Yes, it's a classic copy and paste error: double weight_y0 = 1 - weight_y1; // FIXED ...

This was driving me insane :)
 
@EtiennedeMartel to be fair there are certain practical constraints which make that a bunch harder to do in the first place
 
@Flexo I wonder if using a catapult counts as "tossing".
 
@FredOverflow trollolol. Those are always the best.
 
1:57 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Or bullets.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I hope there's case law for precedent on that
 
@RMartinhoFernandes bullets may be a different issue altogether
 
nice read - it's about cats and big ass computing clusters.
 
Hi guys, can anyone tell me if VS 2008 has C++ 0x support and if so how can it be enabled. Thanks.
 

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