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9:00 PM
1) About 1000 - 1500 books. 2) Only my mother.
 
@Edoardo Wow. Your mother reads a lot :)
@Edoardo Consider getting a handheld barcode scanner. Makes entering details for all these books a joy. In fact, a number of Android apps support just that: You basically snap a picture of each scan code, and it enters the books into your database complete with ISBN, cover picture etc.
 
@sehe Hahahaha. I'm the opposite side, luckily.
 
@Edoardo And, no don't write it in C++. Use Python, yeah that sounds about okay.
 
Yup, confirmed, pure bullshit. I'll rest easy knowing my dearest natural science has not been defiled.
 
Interesting method. @sehe
 
9:05 PM
@sehe link or it didn't happen.
 
@sehe Should i consider PHP?
 
I would never say such thing. The only thing cats are better at than dogs is keeping their shit on one place.
 
5 hours ago, by Domagoj Pandža
And also cats are better than dogs.
 
Erm.. How did I attribute that wrong
 
9:06 PM
@sehe that's not me.
 
@sehe It's okay, it happens when you get older. Soon, you'll start wetting your bed again. :Đ
 
@Edoardo, I only suggested php because I thought you would have a very large user-base
 
ermm.... <blush/> not yet..?!
Nah. I'm terribly sorry. I just proved I'm not a robot :)
 
@Jeremy You suggested PHP? GTFO.
 
wait
that was directed at the wrong person
lol
 
9:07 PM
Wait, did someone ask for recommendations of suicide techniques? If not, why are you suggesting PHP?
 
@Jeremy That's a very strange rationale to use php...
@RMartinhoFernandes Lol
 
Large user-base on different systems. My logic was, if you are creating a library management system, it midaswell be accessible from remote users
 
(@Jeremy thank you distracting them with your genious 'php streaker' act. I thought I was gonna get roasted there.)
 
lol
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Why do you hate Php?
 
9:10 PM
@Edoardo Long story short, it's the ugliest language on the planet.
And probably in the radius of 4.3 parsecs.
 
I can see why a C++ programmer hates Php. I do, but not enough to avoid using it.
 
@Edoardo Because PHP is pieces of shit hold together by duct tape that's constantly being eaten by bugs.
3
 
No, I can't believe you said that.
 
And it's inconsistent as hell.
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik lol.
 
9:12 PM
@DomagojPandža What's special about 4.3 parsecs?
 
@Jeremy I have to agree with the fact that PHP is a real sack of shits :(
 
Two regex engines and a partridge in a pear treee...
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik I'm going to publicly rectify. Let it be known that Radek thinks of dogs with more respect than of cats:
6 mins ago, by Radek 'daknok' Slupik
I would never say such thing. The only thing cats are better at than dogs is keeping their shit on one place.
 
Really? Function names case-insensitive and class names case-sensitive? Inconsistent argument ordering? WHAT THE FUCK? Why would a person with a brain in their head think that any of that is a good idea?
 
So what do you use? ASP?
 
9:12 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Same answer as to the question what's so special about PHP. Nothing. :Đ
 
I don't like using php either, lol. But again, I wouldn't avoid using it. Don't hate it that much.
Dem typos...
 
@Jeremy Everybody hates PHP.
 
I WOULD avoid using it at all costs.
 
lol
xd
 
9:14 PM
@RadekdaknokSlupik In fairness, it's consistently shit, consistently held together by duct tape; That's a form of consistency too
 
Use something (more) decent, like Haskell, Python, Ruby or even Clojure.
 
At Facebook, they use Haskell to manipulate PHP code.
 
At least they convert the PHP code to C++ code. :P
 
The language I'm designing will also be shitty, but it'll be less shitty than PHP. :P
 
9:15 PM
And once again, mentioning PHP derails a conversation evening session on Lounge<C++>
 
Fun fact: If I weren't such a lazy prick all the time, I'd mark my cat's litter box as "PHP".
 
And at least statically typed without implicit type conversions.
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik That's a mightly low bar you have there
 
lolol
 
@sehe I'm a pessimist sometimes. :P
 
9:17 PM
Poop Hardener Processor
For your cat's delight, PHP.
 
@DomagojPandža You wouldn't, or you will suddenly face cat droppings all through the garden and in unfortunate corners of the hallway. Turns out, cats are smart enough to be offended by PHP
 
Order now.
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik Have you filled in the checklist yet? colinm.org/language_checklist.html
 
Anyway, what were you going to do with that repo, @sehe?
@RMartinhoFernandes Nope.
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik Do I need to remove it? Send me a cease & desist :)
 
9:17 PM
Will do that. :P
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik Nothing, just exercising my ability to disturb bits in remote parts of the (local) universe
 
@sehe I don't care if you keep it or remove it. I don't need it anymore. I started over.
@sehe ah. :P
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik I know that. I might actually remove the copy. Or not. I'm lazy
 
[ ] Nobody really needs:
    [ ] concurrency  [ ] a REPL  [ ] debugger support  [ ] IDE support  [ ] I/O
    [ ] to interact with code not written in your language
In fact, I'm thinking about all of those.
 
That's a stupid thing to say @RadekdaknokSlupik :)
 
9:19 PM
I'd check IDE support.
pair::grow(1)
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I prefer the ADL enabled standard free function std::grow_pair(a)
Alert: the room is in danger of going silent.

Quick, someone mention singletons
 
I like the boost::grow_yourself_a_one(pair);
 
Singletons are like dogs, they're shit.
 
9:22 PM
a one
 
Flame war. Begin.
 
hmmm. that sounds like an interface for microsoft. You can accuse Bjarne of silly naming conventions but he favours short.
 
You want a flame war to begin ? Look: "Singletons are the best design pattern ever to be created."
 
@ScarletAmaranth I bet Bjarne's response would be what()?!
 
> Your type system is unsound.
What do they mean by that?
 
9:23 PM
Your type system is not sound.
 
Hey guys. Back. Computer blew up; explosion contained and reversed.
 
@stdOrgnlDave reversed. I'm listening
 
@sehe Honestly, I like how MS handles names ... i prefer longer than shorter.
 
Sound is a disturbance of a medium.
 
You imploded your computer?
 
9:24 PM
I'm going with C++ and Qt. Thanks for your idea @sehe.
 
The type system cannot be sound.
 
I'd like to write some C++11-centric code, on Windows. I'm having trouble deciding between a GCC variant and Clang. what would you recommend?
 
@ScarletAmaranth Just make it stdex::exceptionEx::whatExEx(). FTFY
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik Basically, in a sound type system, the type checker catches all type errors.
 
9:25 PM
@ScarletAmaranth is RC1 out? does it add better support for things?
 
Good.
Luck.
With.
That.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes ah ok. Thanks.
 
@stdOrgnlDave Clang.
 
@stdOrgnlDave Not as far as I know, haven't checked recently though.
 
As an example, C++'s type system is not sound, because we have things like const_cast and reinterpret_cast.
 
9:25 PM
I'm going to troll math.stackexchange.com by writing solutions in template metaprogramming.
 
Mwahaha, const_cast, my lovely.
 
@sehe I like complicated thing.
 
reinterpret_cast is such a bad idea.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes IMO, those things are quite necessary.
 
If you consider things like unsafeCoerce, even Haskell's type system isn't sound.
 
9:26 PM
And Microsoft is full of bad ideas.
 
it's ugly to have, but necessary.
 
reinterpret_cast is such a good idea.
 
@sehe why do you say Clang?
 
@stdOrgnlDave Maybe it is time for your medication. You're sounding a bit random and hyper active there
 
> You have reinvented PHP better, but that's still no justification
 
9:26 PM
@stdOrgnlDave Because Cling would sound desperate
 
@DeadMG Never said otherwise.
 
Really, because you asked for a recommendation
Clang is the best I know. Sadly, you'll have to jump through hoops to get it to work.
But the same goes for VS11, since MS will drop support for the free toolchain
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Very true.
 
@sehe come on it would be funny
 
9:27 PM
@sehe cling is a C++ JIT compiler.
 
Hi, compiler, this is dog and I know what I'm doing. Reinterpret cast this shoe as meat.
 
@sehe I know but what are its merits (on Windows) over GCC? do you personally use it?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes checklist filled in. xD
 
@stdOrgnlDave (objective) More C++11 support!
@stdOrgnlDave (subjective) better diagnostics!
 
9:28 PM
Clang is meant to replace GCC and it's doing quite well with its backend LLVM
 
@stdOrgnlDave Template aliases. For one
 
hmmm.
@RMartinhoFernandes the issue of a debugger is indeed a tough one.
 
@stdOrgnlDave I started to, but not on Windows. I haven't found a rational use for Windows in a long time.
 
@sehe GCC has those too.
 
>
[ ] Noone really believes that your language is faster than:
[ ] assembly [ ] C [ ] FORTRAN [ ] Java [ ] Ruby [ ] Prolog
being slower than Prolog? OWCH
 
9:29 PM
> Unfortunately, your language (has/lacks):
And you used crosses.
 
yeah? can your webserver written in assembly serve static content faster than node.js HMMM? it's got non-blocking I/O and it runs on Goolge technology!
 
Great. How will I know if it has or lacks it?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes cross is has, no cross is lacks.
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik I didn't realize you could actually check that checklist.
 
So, unfortunately your language has [x] comprehensible syntax?
Ok.
 
9:30 PM
> [x] This is a bad language, and you should feel bad for inventing it.
@RMartinhoFernandes Oh. I'm behind again. My gcc-snapshot hasn't
 
@RMartinhoFernandes What did they mean that? :P
 
@sehe They're on the release.
 
THEY MEANT EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAID
 
Oh yeah, I think it has.
 
I have a feeling you didn't quite understand all the questions in there.
> The following philosophical objections apply: [x] Programmers should not need to understand category theory to write "Hello, World!"
It appears to me this means programmers need to understand CT to write HW in your language, because that's the only way I see this philosophical object can apply.
 
9:33 PM
@stdOrgnlDave What are you trying to imply? Node.js is simply a system that had to be written in a language that can process an input, specifically something written in JS. And it is then processed (but on the server) in order to do low-level crap (which was abstracted).
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Huh. Imma drop Mint very soon. I'm fed up with bad repo support and very very slow UI
 
@RMartinhoFernandes they used difficult English words in that checklist… 3:
Anyway, they don't.
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik I think that's the point: the checklist is there to intimidate anyone thinking about implementing a programming language. A preventive measure, really
 
Ha! I already started.
 
9:35 PM
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I made a boo-boo. :$
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik I'm sure you can be stopped. I'm sure you will stop. Once you get bored to death in college
 
@DomagojPandža Boo is nice
 
Sorry if I'm asking you somethink not related to c++.
Have you ever tried Opa or Haxe?
 
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That's better.
 
9:36 PM
That scared me for a while. "Haxe" is Portuguese slang for hashish.
I was wondering what the heck was Opa.
 
Gandja.
 
My language has a this keyword! :D
:P
 
Of course not. Those are the toys of their respective creators.
Instead, look at coffee-script, or [Script#](http://projects.nikhilk.net/ScriptSharp) e.g. for unifying client and server programming
 
@RMartinhoFernandes You haven't tried Opa. It's intense. Dragons in the kitchen and shit.
 
Opa is grandpa in Dutch.
@DomagojPandža Ganja?
 
9:39 PM
You smoked your grandpa?
 
user457812
He smoked his grandpa.
 
But coofie-script only output Javascript, Haxe also C++, java, c#, php.
 
RT @garwboy: So protestors failed to destroy wheat that had been genetically modified to repel pests? Christ, that stuff is really effective
 
user457812
Coofie? O_o
 
9:39 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes oh noes, Bram Molenaar is going to produce more language trouble for the world:
> Zimbu is the brainchild of one Bram Moolenaar and old Bram’s convinced that his creation will be a fast, portable language that can be used to code pretty much everything
 
user457812
I think everything I write in chat gives off some sort of horribly offensive vibe to non-English folks.
 
I'm so naming my next scripting language Coofie
 
Open-source programming language? What a stupid marketing term.
 
9:40 PM
Why would you want a higher-level language for high-level languages. Why not just use the right languge for the job?
 
Maybe even call Proj. Insolang Coofie
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I'm not so sure the world needs that, seeing what became of Vim script
 
> If you are familiar with Java, PHP, JavaScript or ActionScript, the Haxe syntax should be very familiar.
Okay, the Hexe syntax sucks.
 
Oh, shit, why i wrote coofie...
 
> Classical Object Oriented class + interface model (similar to Java)
These people have a strange definition of classical.
 
9:41 PM
If you are familiar with Java, PHP -> Then you already have permanent braindamage and there's no need to read any further.
 
Coofie is like coffee. But it's not.
 
I do not have brain damage.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes That's what everyone with brain damage says.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes That's what all people with brain damage say! :)
wow
wtf srsly @DomagojPandža o_O
 
user406009
Java isn't that bad.
 
9:42 PM
@ScarletAmaranth Going to the hospital...
 
@EthanSteinberg flagged.
 
user457812
I think what @ScarletAmaranth means is, if you're familiar with Java and PHP and you like them, then you have brain damage.
 
@Edoardo Haxe looks interesting enough. Thanks for mentioning it
 
@ScarletAmaranth I'm inside your head. Chatception.
Also...
KNIFE!
 
@DomagojPandža Very disturbing indeed :)
 
9:44 PM
@RadekdaknokSlupik Liar
 
@ScarletAmaranth A moment ago:

Domagoj Pandža
23:39
You smoked your grandpa?

nil
He smoked his grandpa.
I'm on a roll tonight.
 
user457812
For most people, PHP and Java trigger an auto-immune response that results in hives and a clear feeling of dread. Unfortunately, a lot of people are turned on by hives and dread.
 
@DomagojPandža So you have finally managed to get your crystal ball up and running ?
 
Why do dynamic language users call "hashes" to maps?
 
At least Haxe's website looks nice. Not like the ugliest websites in the world.
@sehe ssssshhtt
 
9:45 PM
@RadekdaknokSlupik That could be because those two don't need the shiny things to attract developers.
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik Ow man. Link to tropes next time. That was uncalled for and offensive
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik I agree with the PHP one, that's some real shit :)
 
@RMartinhoFernandes They have the money and the balls of their clients in a wrench
 
Just statistical analysis, but are any of you guys married? :P
 
Yup
 
9:46 PM
Nope
 
Haskell's and Python's websites look nice.
 
I saw the Oracle yacht at Venice last week.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Because it sounds more interesting than dictionaries or associative arrays
@Edoardo Ok you can be forgiven. But I'd call an exorcist just in case that stuff is contagious
 
??? @sehe Why?
 
XORcist ?
 
9:48 PM
Anybody got an XORcist on speed dial?
 
@DomagojPandža Nope, I don't code PHP.
 
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Q: Error of designing a singleTon class in C++ on Linxu by boost::call_once on linux?

user1002288I am designing a thread-safe singleTon class in C++ on Linxu by boost::call_once. I got compile error: singleTon.cpp:35: error: argument of type âvoid (SingleTon::)()â does not match âvoid (*)()â After seeing some posts, I still do not know how to handle this error. I need to change the voi...

Finally, singletons.
Or in this case, singleTons.
 
I prefer multiplekilos to singletons.
Much better design pattern.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes On Linxu. Nice
 
Linxu is amazing.
 
9:51 PM
//EOF
Ah a Perl programmer.
 
a Perlgrammar?
 
It has a great IU.
 
A Perl--**($$@$'grammar&&"')
 
Can't resist: the title has the answer. You made the "Error of designing a Singleton class". — sehe 6 secs ago
@DeadMG Perl has-no grammar. It just has parser quirks
 
And guessing heuristics.
 
9:53 PM
I'm the the process of designing a grammar. :P
 
user406009
I thought PHP was the language with tons of parser problems.
 
both of them
 
@DeadMG shit. They edited the title to something more sensible and less punful
 
Feb 24 at 19:54, by daknøk
https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=61095 ಠ_ಠ
 
@sehe I know right, I always say build classes with aluminium, light-weight. But no, they have to make them weigh a ton with half-assed metals.
 
9:54 PM
@EthanSteinberg I doubt php knows what "parser" is. It does lexical analysis and then usually stops working.
 
@EthanSteinberg PHP stands on the shoulders of giant parser problems Perl
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik I'm sorry guys for remembering those things.
 
What's the most beautiful website you have ever saw?
 
@Edoardo None
 
> argument of type âvoid (SingleTon::)()â does not match âvoid (*)()â
I have no idea how those âs sneaked there, but it seems like sign.
 
9:56 PM
@Edoardo insidepiet.com/v1 for sure.
 
@Edoardo about:robots
 
@Edoardo www.usingpresentperfectproperly.com
 
Closely followed by about:blank.
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik What the hell, my parents were sleeping!
 
W3Fools also looks quite nice.
@Edoardo not my problem.
 
9:57 PM
hahaha.
 
They should be happy; sleeping is a waste of time.
And not to mention my fucking geeky website, which looks horrible beautiful.
xD
 
@RMartinhoFernandes That's crazy cool. Let's file a RFC for Opera to implement that
 
Despite the fact that I'm very much anti Apple, i like apple.com a lot.
 
@sehe Did you get all the references?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Of course not. I'm only human
 
9:59 PM
Why do I even hang out with uncultured people like you?
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik Reminds me a lot of jwz.org. Only less cool (More usable tho)
 

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