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12:00 AM
@MooingDuck Yup. Pretty clear from the flagged message. Anyhow, I should have thought before I leapt.
On that note, I need to hit the sack,
Goodnight
 
@sehe good night!
 
@sehe night
 
@MooingDuck good night you too!
 
@user1131997 you're strange
 
hi guys, I've two questions : 1)why did they made functions pointers in the v-table and not just functions name so that it will be a direct function call, sothat more fast
2) what is the difference between this two expressions : (int *)* (int *)(&object); // this gives me 0x16 and &*(int *)(&object ) // which gives me the value of &object ?thanks
 
12:15 AM
oh... THIS is a good read...
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Q: Fastest way in C# to iterate through ALL Guids Possible

SpoiledTechie.comI have access to one of the top 50 fastest computers in the world. This question I am trying to complete is for a job that is required to get done. While it might not make sense on an ordinary regular computer in the civilized world, it makes sense to do it with the hardware and capabilities I ...

 
@AlexDan For the first one: what? Function pointers only use the vtable if they absolutely have to.
@Mysticial impressive!
 
those comments are... well... amazing...
 
@MooingDuck : I talking about in the case of virtual functions
 
@AlexDan For the second question: that first expression makes no sense, but seems to pretend the object is a int, and converts that to an int*, which will be roughly the value of the first 4 bytes of the object. The second converts the obejcts to an int*, and then returns the address of that, which will be the same as the object
@AlexDan because it has to go through the vtable, since the compiler can't know at compile time. It cannot be any faster.
 
@MooingDuck for the 2) question : does the v-table has a function pointer for every virtual function, or it has just one function pointer that is going to be overrided to point the proper function ?
 
12:24 AM
@AlexDan each type has 1 v-table, which has a pointer to each of it's virtual member functions.
 
@MooingDuck yes I know , the only part that I did not understand is why vtable contain function pointer, e.g : pob->vfunction(); I guess this will be replaced by the compiler to something like this *(pob->vptr[0]) // 0 can be 0,1,... depends on the the right function . if this is right so why you use function pointer inside vtable if the compiler can do just this (pob->vptr[0]) without * if it use direct function call
 
On man, that question just made my day... It's been a while since I've seen such amazingly hilarious stupidity on SO...
 
@AlexDan *(pob->vptr[0]) doesn't make sense. If you have a virtual object type* pob, then the compiler just does pob->vptr[0](param1, param2, etc).
@Mysticial It's impressive.
 
I like the hard drive comment:
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A: Fastest way in C# to iterate through ALL Guids Possible

Raymond Chencommented: Look at it this way: Even if you could generate the GUIDs infinitely fast, your output file is going to be 2^128*16 = 2^132 bytes in size. That is around 10^27 terabytes. One terabyte of storage weighs around 500 grams. The mass of the earth is 10^24 kilograms, so before you run this program, you will need to acquire 500 earths and convert them all to hard drives.

 
12:41 AM
@MooingDuck ok, but why the compiler can't use the functions name and it must be function pointers inside vtable , what is the useful thing about function pointer in this case
 
@Mysticial it's amusing, but not applicable
@AlexDan I think you have a misunderstanding of how vtables work, but I'm having trouble with your English, I can't figure out what it is you don't understand.
@AlexDan it uses a table because integers are faster to work with than strings. It can't do it at compile time, because it's impossible to know at compile time which function it will need at runtime.
 
@MooingDuck : I thought that the compiler will know which function is going to call because the vptr is pointing to the right vtable
if this is true, then there is no need for function pointer to call the right function
 
@AlexDan It doesn't know which vptr
 
the vptr of the most base class
there is just one vptr
 
@AlexDan scratch that, which v-table?
the compiler doesn't know which table the vptr points at until run time
 
12:47 AM
yes that's right
so at runtime the compiler will know which vtable is going to use and inside it there is the right function to use
 
 Interface* obj = (rand() ? typeone : typetwo);
 obj->do_thing();  //it's impossible to tell which function will be called
@AlexDan right
 
so what is the need of function pointer
 
@AlexDan the function pointer is what is inside the vtable, telling it which function to use
the vtable is a table of function pointers
 
@MooingDuck why not making it just function name
 
@AlexDan ... oh, you don't understand how compilers work
@AlexDan after you compile a program, the function names don't exist anymore
 
12:50 AM
damn
 
@AlexDan you could do it with strings, but strings are waaay slower than a table of pointers
@AlexDan even in languages that keep the names, they use a lookup table of pointers to get the names, but since they deal with strings, they're far slower
 
now I understand , thanks a lot
 
@Mysticial I just estimated that if Google used all of their servers to attempt this, they could complete it in as little as 24,874,442,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years.
alright, way past time for me to go home
 
C++ LSD radix sort example of non-recursive implementation
amazing algo
 
1:22 AM
@user1131997 C++ is on LSD?
Also, is it possible to get the window procedure for a given window class when you only have the class name?
(win32)
Nevermind, GetClassInfo
 
2:16 AM
hi, anyone still awake
 
 
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3:33 AM
posted on April 05, 2012

The fundamental operations that a class offers to its users are construction, destruction, copying, and assignment.

 
4:01 AM
hi guys, I've a question: what is the difference between a function and it's pointer. I've noticed that they behave the exactly the same.
 
Same as the difference between int and int*.
 
if you try to print them out (void*)fun and (void*)pointer_of_fun
you will get the same result
 
That's because fun is decaying to a pointer
You can't print functions
 
@Pubby Im asking this question because, I was wondering why inside vtable there is function pointers and not just function names. So someone early on answer me that function names does not exit at run-time. so what about function pointer ?
 
I don't understand your question
Why would a pointer not exist at runtime?
 
4:11 AM
It doesn't really make sense to cast a function to a pointer, it probably works because to the compiler, a function is just an address in your code to jump to
 
@Collin Why doesn't it make sense? It's common to do.
At least implicitly
 
Well, getting a pointer to a function yes, but just straight up casting it to void* is strange
 
Yeah
 
inside vtable there is function pointers of virtual functions, is that right ?
 
yes
 
4:13 AM
Yes
 
At runtime, the program sets up the vtable pointer in your class to the derived class's vtable
 
why there is function pointers and not just function names
 
MooingDuck already explained this, string compares would be way too slow
 
How would you get the location of the function from its name?
 
even if you had a map of names -> function locations
 
4:14 AM
I see, so at runtime everything is converted to address
 
No, at compile time
 
yes sorry at compile time
so there is NO unction pointers inside vtable. they are just address of the implementation of the function
 
yes
er
 
What do you mean 'implementation'?
 
Function pointers are addresses
 
4:17 AM
They point to the instruction to jump to
 
function pointer are just like function they get compiled to an address,
 
You still seem to be confused :S
They're just pointers. That's all they are.
 
does function pointer get compiled into an address ?
 
They can be, but you can set them at run time
 
whats going on?
 
4:25 AM
so vtable has a set of address . not a set of function pointers , is this correct ?
@Pubby
 
Function pointers and addresses are like the same thing. One is C++ the other is machine code but otherwise they the same
 
so at run-time vtable will contain addresses
 
Yes, but the addresses are determined at compile time :S
 
ok, thanks
 
5:25 AM
Build times go from 3.4s to 0.8s without all the crap from Boost.Exception :| Problem solved? I guess.
 
I wanted to start using Boost Exception.
Guess I'll have to be careful with that.
 
Admittedly I don't have my includes as finely-grained as I want, but that's because of a visibility bug in Boost.Exception...
It'd be fine otherwise I think.
For the time being I'll move all my exception types in the TU for exceptions, so that you don't get the includes unless you want to catch something. Somewhat inconvenient.
 
Is there a way to find out which parts of your code are responsible for compilation slowdowns? Other than trial and error I mean.
 
There doesn't appear to be anything definitive, except that I think MSVC has third-party extensions available (nothing for free I think?). I did learn in the process how to use GCC as a primitive for searching e.g. the include tree and all that, but using those feel like building your own tool from scratch really.
Since I had very few includes in my case (which really bugged me why it'd took 3.4s to compile an empty program) 'trial and error' really meant "hey, I'm really only including that Boost.Exception stuff, let's try without that".
 
I guess I will do that and try to use a somewhat systematic approach.
Like measuring build times per source file in the build system.
Perhaps maintaining a history of build times per svn revision.
 
5:37 AM
Also it's not a problem for TUs that don't put too much in the header. I was working on my template<typename... T> class variant; which is problematic in that to throw an exception from a header-only module you, well, need the exception stuff visible. Hence include pollution.
Right now fixing the other, non-header-only TUs is easy: mode the type declarations into the separate header that list those types, and include that header in the source.
 
 
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8:14 AM
@ScottW You mean DeadMG?
Hi
@LucDanton Wow.
That is a surprise. I thought c++ exceptions are painstakenly designed to be very low-carb...? That's a surprise.
 
I haven't checked which headers in particular are guilty, but I'd suspect e.g. boost/exception/info.hpp is among them.
 
I guess it could still be that you are suffering from pulling in 'duplicate' libraries (std headers for c++11 and boost's versions) for some things?
 
I think the libstdc++ headers are relatively lean.
Ya okay boost/exception/info.hpp brings unistd.h for instance. It's the only header that does if I can trust GCC's output here.
Stuff from StringAlgo(?), Range and Iterator which in turn all pull in a lot from MPL/TypeTraits/Config. I think <vector> and <map> are peanuts compared to that.
 
8:34 AM
Hello
I have a little question, how do I read from a file to a bit vector?
(ifstream to bitset)
 
@Feeds oh.. code samples in that article are totally messed up
 
@Abyx You know Feeds is a bot, no?
 
@sehe I know, I just pointed to specific message
 
@Abyx ok :) They are messed up indeed
Good (friday) stuff ^^ Shame about the dynamics compression (on headphones)
 
if you have two matrices, and you want to copy the colomn of matrix B into the row of matrix A, where the matrix is a rectangular shape, can you do that in just a nested for loop over col and row?
 
8:45 AM
@TonyTheLion why "nested"? it's one loop
 
for (int y = 0; y < height; y++) { for (int x = 0; x < width; x++) { maxtrixA[x + y * height] = matrixB[x + y * height]; } }
 
A(y, k) = B(x, y) with k, x fixed and y varying.
 
ah.. every column
 
Matrices are actually a linear array
not a multidimensional array
 
@TonyTheLion That's a copy, memory-wise. If A doesn't have the same dimensions as B then you won't have the rows of A match the columns of B.
 
8:50 AM
A's height should become B's width.
 
Are you looking for transposition?
 
A's width should B's height
@LucDanton I'm not sure what the name is
Yes, transposition
> write the rows of A as the columns of AT
where AT would be my matrix B
 
A(x, y) = B(y, x) with x, y varying.
 
but you cannot write it in one loop
 
Mat
8:55 AM
@TonyTheLion You could write it as 1 loop with two variables, but the conditions you'd have to add would make it somewhat impractical.
 
What's the deal with copyright boilerplate at the top of source files?
Just put it in a LICENSE.txt file or something.
 
@Maxpm This is what everyone does and I expect that for a lot of those everyone that's what they were legally advised to do.
I.e. I expect it matters, legally speaking.
 
That sucks.
 
@Maxpm What else is new :)
 
That doesn't mean boilerplate can't be kept short though.
 
8:59 AM
I suppose.
 
Mat
MIT license is very short, but still has headers. GPL has a very long header.
 
Like @RMartinhoFernandez in his wheels library, short but to the point: hg.tumtumtree.me/wheels/src/f9f94f53930c/include/wheels/…
 
@Mat All my projects are MIT-licensed, and I have always just stuffed the license in its own file. Should I be worried?
 
But then again, his license is really no license...
 
@Mat You don't have to put the license with the copyright notices. Thankfully. How long is the typical "You should have received a copy of the GPL along with this"?
 
It still feels dirty copying and pasting the same junk in every file. What if my preferred comment format changes? I'd have to write a regex! These are the things I think about.
 
@rubenvb Thanks, I got lost on the site.
 
Mat
"This statement should go near the beginning of every source file, close to the copyright notices"
 
@LucDanton between the left bullcrap shouting activist pages and the actual description of what the license is, it is hard to find relevant info...
 
Hello..
 
9:04 AM
@rubenvb I've used the "How to use the GPL" FAQ before but I didn't expect it to be that hard to find directly from the site (as opposed to, say, googling).
 
@72con Ahoy!
@rubenvb Yeah.
GNU does that a lot.
 
I've been bugging folks here with this before but can someone try to set me straight here: I
'm trying to send WM_MOUSEMOVE events to all windows. Fake the mouse. Is it doable?
 
Mat
Use AutoIt instead.
 
I've been trying detouring CallWindowProc and GetMessage in a global hook to modify custom messages that I personally send to the windows but that doesn't seem to work. In all places.
What are all the ways that a WndProc might get called?
@Mat; that to me?
 
Mat
Yes. AutoIt is far easier to automate the mouse with than C++ will ever be.
(disclaimer: AutoIt MVP, so kindof obliged to advertise)
 
9:08 AM
Ok, now that does sounds good. How general a solution is that? And what does it actually do?
"all standard window controls"
 
Mat
What are you actually trying to do? I mean at a higher level than "Send WM_MOUSEMOVE to all windows"?
 
I want to simulate a mouse, system wide
 
Mat
You mean a second mouse in effect?
 
..and I want to simulate also the keyboard.
Actually, multiple mice.
 
Mat
Keyboard is easy, there's a function called Send that does it. Multiple mice could be more tricky
 
9:11 AM
The Send allows me to specify target HWND and key that was pressed?
 
Mat
ControlSend allows you to target HWND.
 
Ok.. but can't send WM_MOUSEMOVES to HWND's afterall?
 
Mat
But I think you are going to struggle for multiple mice, as programs may be using things other than the messages to get the mouse position.
 
Yes, I've been worrying a bit about that.
Maybe I could detour that somehow..
..the other means to get the mouseposition.
 
Mat
Sure. API hooking for all functions to do with the mouse. Then rewriting those functions to detect the calling hwnd/process and then tell them the relevant mouse position
 
9:15 AM
What means are those, exactly, btw?
exactly what I was thinking..
You employed atm Mat?
 
You happy where you at?
 
Mat
In fact you may only need GetCursorPos...
And when I say employed, I'm in full time education, so can't really get out :P
 
Good news! There's a GSoC project to implement a lot of the MS C++ ABI in Clang. The proposal includes RTTI, mangline, and vf-table stuff.
 
Yeah, that api reference doesn't look too bad actually.
When are you done with your full time education?
And where you based?
 
Mat
9:19 AM
Finish this year, but then go on a gap year, then university for four years :) I have no intention of working for at least 5 years in other words :P
 
ok :) bummer..
 
Mat
Going to spend my time playing 0x10c instead I think.
At least, that's how it looks at the moment
 
neverheard
Well, if you need a high paying job, get in touch..
 
lol :) That does look timeconsuming :)
 
9:22 AM
"galaxies lost to red shift"... borked physics that is.
 
Mat
Already written an assembler, disassembler, emulator and debugger :)
 
For the ship CPU?
 
@rubenvb The same page has 'cloaking' and 'hard SF'.
 
"universe dominated by massive black holes"
 
lol :))
 
9:23 AM
SF should at least hold up against basic scrutiny
cloaking isn't that far off anymore
 
Yeah because that's going to help in space.
 
every radar or detection system in existance uses EM waves, so, yeah, it will help in space.
 
More info on a page that, if I understand correctly, holds the wisdom of various SF fans discussions (from e.g. Usenet).
 
Mat
Hmmm... So you are telling me that a completely white body can be detected?
 
Short version: space is dark enough that it doesn't take a great deal of IR resolution to pick up objects that generate enough energy to sustain life (although it's been a while since I've read that so I may be paraphrasing).
 
9:31 AM
party pooper. This is beyond my version of "basic scrutiny"
 
Mat
And yet we still can't find aliens? They must be using cloaking devices.
 
@rubenvb Hence why there's a disclaimer on the page about the exact meaning of hard in hard SF.
 
Mat
What if you could keep the outer shell of your ship at 0k ?
 
@Mat probably practically impossible.
yet if there was faster than light travel, a lot of current physics would need revision
 
Since RMartinhoFernandes in on holiday I feel like it's my duty to point out that robots on a time-release don't have the need for a life support system, and the associated waste heat :v
 
Mat
9:36 AM
But they will still need to power electrical circuits, which generate waste heat.
 
That's the point of the time-release bit. They're sleeper robots.
 
hi all
@ScottW char - nonunicode, varchar - unicode in T-SQL
what's in other DB don't know, they always have different features of one stuff
@ScottW it's great, that you haven't see nchar and nvarchar yet :)
@ScottW char has fixed size, varchar hasn't in mysql as I remember
 
10:18 AM
Giving you guys some more music for the day, since it is so quiet in here.
Only 2 hours 41 minutes, this version.
 
10:30 AM
@rubenvb like, someone is actually going to work on it? Or just a proposal for someone to do?
Anyway, sounds great
 
I'd rather like to see SEH in Clang
 
how viable is it? I was under the impression it was basically undocumented, and possibly couldn't even be implemented without infringing on MS patents or something. But not sure if that was just OSS scaremongering
I'm also not sure how much of it the compiler has to do, and how much can be left to the OS
 
@jalf it's sorta cross-language exceptions, with SEH you can be sure that RAII (stack unwinding) will ever work, no matter what kind of exception was thrown
 
I know what SEH is. I'm just not sure how well documented it is for third-party compilers to use, and how exactly it is implemented, how much of it relies on OS functionality and such
 
@ScottW lol
@jalf I actually read an extensive article once about the internals of how SEH works
if only I could remember where it is
 
10:40 AM
Yay, I can now do variant<int, std::string> v = /* ... */; apply<void>(make_overload(fallback(arg1), ++arg1), v);
 
it's well-documented and it's part of OS
 
@TonyTheLion look at places like windbg docs, is my hunch
 
functions adds callbacks to linked list, and OS calls'em when exception occurs
 
yeah, but I'm pretty sure the compiler has to do some work too, to make everything work smoothly :)
 
@sehe Actually, I've just found it here
it's not for the faint of heart, cause it goes deep down in the guts of everything
 
10:46 AM
compiler should generate something like seh_list_append(handler); ... seh_list_remove(); around the function, and track what objects should be destructed during unwinding
 
Has anyone used Helgrind before?
 
@Mat; can you give me some of the details of the inner workings of AutoIt? How does it simulate mouse events? It actually moves the cursor I guess?
 
I have sorted 100k values, Gnome sort is slow :(
 
Mat
@72con Yes it does for the MouseMove and similar. For ControlClick I assume it just sends the button up and down messages. That's why I think multiple mice aren't going to work.
 
@TonyTheLion Remind me to mute the plinks when listening to this: youtube.com/…
@KerrekSB Yup
 
10:49 AM
Yup.. It's looking bad. I can indeed do the clicking but I have trouble with mousemoves.
 
Sort Quick works fast
 
thanks..
 
@user1131997 Who would have thought
 
insertion sort on 100k data is slower, than quick, but faster than gnome's
shall try on 10 million data, funny toy
 
@user1131997 Make it very long running indeed. I'll be at work for another 4 hours
 
10:51 AM
@sehe nope :( can't do it, cause stack overflow for 10 million data.
 
@Mat; I can send mousemoves to some windows by detouring CallWindowProc but it seems these windows very soon realize the cursor isn't there because some highlights just flash quickly and then fade away right away. I detoured GetCursorPos and GetCursorInfo as well but no help.. Might have something to do with capture messages; I guess I'll try and see if I could add those somehow..
 
wtf I've got stack overflow even for 500k values in quick sort! damn it!
 
Mat
@72con Have you tried winspector to see exactly what messages are sent and in what order when you use the actual mouse, and then tried to send exactly the same again? There might be some other message its handling...
 
only ~= 250k max :(
 
@user1131997 What type of values are you sorting?
 
10:55 AM
Not a lot is sent - mostly just WM_NCHITTESTS and wm_mousemoves..
 
@KillianDS int
250k * 4 bytes = 1million bytes
 
500k ints are about 2 or 4 megabyte on most systems.
That shouldn't be a problem unless you statically allocate everything.
 
@KillianDS stackframe size is not so
 
then use a std::vector instead of a raw array
 
Mat
@72con Could there be problems with the window being focused or not?
 
10:58 AM
@KillianDS it's ready-stuff :(
 
what do you mean by that?
 
@Mat, I guess yes; I don't give the window focus..
 
@KillianDS that, all hard-work has done for you already in std
 
Yes, that's about the point of it ...
but you're writing sort algorithms, what do you care if it's on data that's contained in an array or a vector?
 
@KillianDS why <vector> exactly? Not <list> ?
 
11:06 AM
Because a vector is an in-place replacement for a dynamically allocated array in C++, list is a linked-list under the hood, which is a completely different sort of data structure.
 
@KillianDS thank you!
 
but ideally a sorting algorithm (like std::sort) should work with iterators anyway, so you could use it on a list also
 
std::sort works on a list?
I thought you have to use list::sort for that
 
It does, but moves values, whereas std::list::sort moves nodes.
 
ah ok
 
11:14 AM
@jalf I believe it was someone's proposal, as in: I want to do this.
@Abyx x86 SEH is probably not going to happen, patents and all.
A decent x64 EH compatibility seems possible (I've amassed a bunch of documentation and a C++ EH implementation usable with the WDK (kernel) compiler.
It's funny that all projects that once took on the Ubuntu versioning scheme (year.month) are now stuck with high version numbers not linked to the time of release.
 
This will fixed in a hundred years. Well, the 'high' number part.
 
they should've deprecated std::vector for a std::array without a fixed size (naming wise)
and have two std::arrays (one with and one without size)
Much better for the world.
is it possible/viable/smart to use something like muparser for a compiler parser?
 
@rubenvb Can't have std::array have the same interface as std::vector and be an aggregate.
Not so sure about the convenience of having push_back et al. on a fixed-size array either.
 
11:31 AM
@LucDanton the vector-like version wouldn't have to be an aggregate. The name would just make more sense and be an interface to a dynamic array.
The two versions could have different interfaces
I asked a question about this on SO sometime ago.
 
One of the reason that std::vector<bool> is evil is that it breaks expectations as compared to plain std::vector<T>. On the other hand, going from std::array<T, std::allocator<T>> to std::array<T, std::allocator<T>, N> on accident doesn't seem like the sort of thing to happen. Btw where do you put the allocator argument?
 
after the N, as N can't have a default argument
It would conflict with the dynamic version
so array<int> would be std::vector-like, array<int, 20> is std::array-like.
 
Well that does suppose that N has a default argument though (nothing wrong with that btw).
i.e. std::array<int> is std::array<int, magical_value, std::allocator<int>>.
 
no, the whole underlying container is different (or should be in my idea) for the two versions
And I thought std::array was "stack-allocated"
 
@rubenvb Another take on it is that std::vector is an interface for a resizable container on top an allocator. So right now you can make an array_allocator to have std::vector work on top of an std::array<unsigned char> arena.
@rubenvb I still don't see how the template parameters work.
 
11:36 AM
@LucDanton Well, OK, but that's a completely different idea than what I suggested (which was only a superficial renaming)
 
Yeah but it works right now (modulo some actual work, hah). And there's no outstanding issues regarding template parameters.
 
@rubenvb huh, I wasn't aware the patent situation was different between x86 and x64. Weird
@rubenvb Sounds great
 
@jalf the patent only applies to compiers implementing x86 SEH handling IIRC. x64 C++ EH is different, and not based on SEH per se.
@LucDanton I know, my change would of course only be cosmetic anyways.
 
And it's not actually possible until you explain how the template parameters work.
 
@LucDanton this is the question I was referring to earlier: stackoverflow.com/questions/8742278/…
The first answer says that Eigen does exacly this for its matrix class.
 
11:41 AM
Yeah and it has no parameters for allocators.
 
just append them
after all the rest
I don't see the problem...
 
6 mins ago, by Luc Danton
i.e. std::array<int> is std::array<int, magical_value, std::allocator<int>>.
What I mentioned years ago, and where you should have answered 'yes, it'd work like that'.
The question is: what does it look like when you want to use your template.
 
mawning biznatches
 
well, no, because there is no magical_value required? Why can't there just be std::array<T,Allocator = std::allocator<T>> and std::array<T,size_t N, Allocator = std::allocator<T>>?
 
@rubenvb Because that would require overloading a class.
 
11:43 AM
@rubenvb That's not how templates work.
Templates have a primary template which determinates once and for all the kind of its template parameters (i.e. type, non-type, template). You can't change that.
So your 'convenience' looked sort of awkward to me.
 
ah, ok. Then I suggest making the "magical_value" 0.
no use in having an empty array.
 
@DeadMG So, morning starts at 13:00+ in the UK? twas UK, wasn't it?
 
yes, but it's 12:43 :P
had to rebuild my computer
 
@DeadMG Just a normal day, then, for you :)
 
lol
 
11:59 AM
Okay, now apply<void>(make_overload(fallback(arg1), ++arg1), variant); works >.>
 

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