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4:00 PM
@DeadMG Yea, because you really create textures from 1248 threads at once.
 
@BartekBanachewicz No, I don't, but I do appreciate not having to care about the threading model of the user of my wrapper.
 
If OpenGL is good enough to use in some of the best game engines, I'm fine with it.
 
@Chimera They only use it because there is no other choice.
 
@DeadMG So you don't have to care about what you aren't going to use. Well...
@DeadMG Best game engines have both backends
 
@BartekBanachewicz Only to run on non-Windows platforms.
 
4:01 PM
@DeadMG The point is that those engines work VERY well. Despite the perceived flaws in OpenGL design.
 
@BartekBanachewicz No, my client can use as much threading as they like.
 
OpenGL is like Visual Studio. It isn't flawless, but it's the best we have.
 
@Chimera Well, not really. Games are notorious for being the most buggy ill-designed pieces of shit.
 
and I'm going to end with that statement
and wish you all nice weekend
 
@Chimera Those engines work well due to the strained efforts of game engine programmers...
 
4:02 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Except there's no GCC, Clang, DigitalMars, Metroworks, Borland, Turbo-C...
 
@DeadMG Screw Borland.
 
@ShotgunNinja agreed. But it shows that OpenGL is capable.
FML. I got up early to get to work early and here I am still fucking around at home, unclothed, haven't showered, talking in chat.
 
@Chimera No, it shows that games make enough money that they can afford to put in enough man-hours.
it means nothing about how effective OGL can be
 
@Chimera Yep. It's a professional case of PEBKAC for anyone who doesn't get the whole paradigm of using OGL.
 
@DeadMG I would counter that if OpenGL wasn't capable, no amount of man hours would help the situation.
 
4:04 PM
@Chimera Enough man-hours can solve virtually any technical problem.
 
@ShotgunNinja agreed. I think a lot of the hate against OpenGL is because of ignorance.
 
what's important is the quality and cost of the resulting game engines, and you can't know that unless you made one for yourself
 
@Chimera To be fair, a lot of the love of it is from ignorance too...
 
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7681024/negative-numbers-are-stored-in-2s-complement-method-in-memory-how-does-cpu-kno
Got it myself!
 
@ShotgunNinja agreed
 
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4:11 PM
srsly who ever uses "choose download: win32 or win32-x64", I thought it should be "win64"
 
which it should be
 
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does anyone know where I can download a copy of the RenderWare 3D API by Criterion?
 
I know this is OT and pedantic, but is it really so hard to type out "anyone"? It really helps credibility.
 
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@ShotgunNinja you ask it, you get it ; p
 
4:26 PM
@GamErix Woooo~
 
@GamErix win32 is a platform, x64 - is a CPU architecture.
 
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@Abyx ah ok that explains it well :$
 
@ScottW Nope; it's in the common abbreviations list. I'm not required to type it out, since it's accepted as a convention.
 
OT means Original Topic
I've never seen it used as Off Topic
Until today
 
Ell
that's quite ambiguous :L
 
4:33 PM
@ScottW Oh, fine. I'll accept that.
 
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"the lower you go, the more hassle you'll run into" - just a normal response to a normal programming question.. now when you think of ladies, it's kinda the same xD
 
or if you think of mining
of if you think of mental arithmetic
or limbo dancing
or supermarket pricing wars
or denormalized floating point numbers
@Rapptz it never meant anything but Off Topic in my universe. I think I'm older. Therefore, I win
(Well, "Old Testament" does qualify, but it made less sense here)
 
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@sehe I also thought it was only-and-only OFF Topic. ;o
 
Only off-topic?
What about overtime?
 
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@Rapptz nop
 
4:41 PM
Occupational Therapy?
 
@Rapptz IME it's always Off Topic.
 
Windows IME?
 
Great, Aero disabled itself again and again I have no idea why
 
huh?
 
IME - In My Experience; also Input Method Editor, for foreign language users.
 
4:44 PM
@DeadMG lol I take it you don't use different keyboards :(
 
Also ClearType seems to randomly disable and reenable itself
 
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@CatPlusPlus probly an application which runs is requesting it
 
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@CatPlusPlus that problem I solved by making a new windows account
 
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and using that one..
 
4:47 PM
0
Q: Inline function

LimMy teacher explained that having a inline function instead of a standard function would make your code run faster because it insert the complete body of the function in every place that the function is called, rather than generating code to call the function in the one place it is defined. Doesnt...

dupe
Also is it like finals time or something because a lot of questions are starting with "my teacher said this and that"
 
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@Rapptz finals start in.. 5 months
 
When I'm old ^
 
you make it sound like you're not leathery and in need of regular prostate checks already
 
pap test if you're a female.
 
4:51 PM
lolwut?
 
:P
 
Ell
@DeadMG everyone should have regular prostate checks shouldn't they?
 
Hmmm anyone wanna help me get a hat? ^_^
 
How would you generate a vector of containing integers 1 up to 100? I have this, but I think it can be briefer..
 
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4:53 PM
When Im old
 
@StackedCrooked hmmmm
 
@GamErix Viagra..?
 
@StackedCrooked boost::irange? std::iota?
 
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@Rapptz not using it
 
never heard of irange, I should check that out
 
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4:55 PM
maybe sometimes I will, you know, the longer the fun..
 
never iota either :D
 
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extend the limits xD
 
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will, first have to find a sex partnerrrr
 
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old one's gone
 
@GamErix Sorry to hear that.
 
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4:56 PM
@ShotgunNinja it was hard in the beggining
 
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but hey, fuck it
 
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why should I stick to a liar
 
lol
 
Nice.
 
I love how we all copied your operator<< overload
 
@Rapptz lol cuz it works.
 
If you use the 'Edit' button you start with a copy.
 
Oh I was looking at your todo.txt and I figured maybe you should add stdin
 
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5:00 PM
Why do people fool themselves so many times
 
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just created a new project in VS
 
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and I see: "OverlayShit.h"
 
I could add stdin support like Ideone. But it seems kinda useless. You can just put it the code.
 
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then I laughed hard
 
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then I remembered I named the project "OverlayShit"
 
5:01 PM
LWS does it too now though. Could be useful for testing input.
 
I see.
 
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cat probly goin mad after what he is seeing on the star board
 
Strangely enough, nobody requested the ability to browse the archive. Or the ability to add tags, comments, etc..
 
@StackedCrooked we can already do that in this chat
 
pretty much what Pubby said
 
5:11 PM
I like ideone because I can view all the code I pasted, same with pastebin.
 
I have no interest in browsing random code samples
 
I see.
 
or discussing with Youtubers why they suck so hard
 
but I couldn't care less about other's code tbh
 
@Rapptz How can you view all the code you pasted? Requires login?
 
5:12 PM
what's that?
#define abstract
?
 
so
 
Ell
@StackedCrooked yea
 
@StackedCrooked Yeah.
 
time to work some more on EmitEveryDeclaration
 
Ell
@JohannesSchaub-litb maybe they like the look of writing abstract class?
 
5:12 PM
@JohannesSchaub-litb I assume for Java-like syntax.
Like @Ell says.
 
hmm
#define polymorphic_lambda
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb Maybe it is a philosophical statement.
 
[polymorphic_lambda]() { }
hey we have them!
 
ideone.com/myrecent is the url for it if you're logged in.
 
That's handy.
 
5:15 PM
damn, I need four screens
need to be building Clang on one, building my tool on another, and chatting here and in #llvm on two more
 
What is that link to the article that explains why PHP sucks so bad?
 
Hi all...
 
Hi Jerry
 
@JerryCoffin Something wrong?
 
Do you consider the coliru archive something that should be persistent? I.e. would you be upset if one day all posts have been deleted?
 
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5:17 PM
uh monday again surgery.. surgery on 31st of dec, well, happy new year lol
 
@Rapptz I suppose there must be something wrong somewhere. Why do you ask?
 
@StackedCrooked We can't access it so there's no way for us to know anyway. If it had already been established that we could access it and I saved stuff in the archive there then I would have been slightly upset and confused but as it is now, no.
@JerryCoffin Ellipsis.
 
@Rapptz I mean the links to your posts that you paste here.
 
@StackedCrooked Yeah I know.
 
Why is there singleton on the board and why does it have 5 stars
 
5:21 PM
One star for each reused instance?
 
because
Bartek was very embarassed about posting it
so we star it to show that he's a Singleton-user
 
@DeadMG you barked for me?
 
yeah
do you know how to link Clang with the libstdc++ in your MinGW build
I figured out the header-related errors myself (was going to ask you about some of them- the include file structure is WTF)
 
Ell
@StackedCrooked how about it stays alive as long as people are visiting it?
 
All you need to do is extract the GCC 4.6-dw2 package and the Clang package into the exact same directory.
Then Clang will find everything itself.
 
5:26 PM
I don't have packages, I'm on Windows.
and it's GCC 4.7
 
GCC 4.7 libstdc++ is incompatible with clang.
it no worky
ABI issues
crashes an all
 
oh, fuck#
 
yea
 
@Rapptz Oh, sorry. Hi All! [is that better?]
 
so I went through and fixed all those header errors for nothing? :P
 
5:27 PM
lol
You can stick with 4.6 with great results really.
 
@Ell Yeah, here are many posts that never get pasted online. So if they never get visited then they can be deleted without risk of broken link. (At worst a broken private bookmark that has never been clicked on :/)
 
hmm
linky to said 4.6?
 
unless you need some new libstdc++ stuff obviously
 
nah
 
5:28 PM
I have Clang SVN
 
I'll build a 3.2 release once I get a 4.8 preview build out.
 
@rubenvb oh :(
 
Funky:
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Q: Defining Undefined Behavior

Edward LoperDoes there exist any implementation of C++ (and/or C) that guarantees that anytime undefined behavior is invoked, it will signal an error? Obviously, such an implementation could not be as efficient as a standard C++ implementation, but it could be a useful debugging/testing tool. If such an im...

 
but
 
@DeadMG Check tools/clang/lib/Frontend/InitHeaderSearch.cpp to see if the right GCC version has been added
something with AddMingw64CXXIncludePATHS
 
5:29 PM
since I am using the Clang C++ API, a command-line parameter to the clang executable won't be of much use
 
ah
I have to go now, be back later maybe or tomorrow.
 
ok
hf
 
I like to run Linux with VBoxHeadless on my Mac as a background process. Then I can login with my terminal using ssh to localhost (which is enabled via port forwarding). Perhaps you can do something similar on Windows. You could mount a directory and access that from Visual Studio using ssh commands as build commands.
Build command would be: ssh -p 2222 localhost 'cd /my/project && make'
Assuming you used port 2222 to forward to 22.
 
I could do, but I've no reason to
 
Convenience. Niftyness.
 
5:32 PM
Buildbot
 
more convenient than just sitting at the local machine and using the entirely normal build routine?
 
@DeadMG Says the critic of Singletons
The point is: flexibility. Why limit it
Choice is a burden. Possibility is Good (TM)
 
why introduce a bunch of complexity to perform exactly the same task that I do now and isn't a problem for me?
 
Never mind then. Just sharing my experiences.
 
@DeadMG It has a generational GC :v
 
5:40 PM
I thought Python objects were refcounted
 
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I really wish that thoughts were always correct
 
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I'll ask santa for that
 
You can be arrogant and stubborn without Santa spoonfeeding you. :)
 
They are refcounted
 
refcounted and generational GC?
 
5:47 PM
Finally, free internet in Morocco - albeit really slow though.
 
Refcounting is enough 99% of the time
 
@Mysticial What's up, long time no see.
 
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@Mysticial waiting for free sex... *kidding
 
Anyways, the signal is only strong enough in the lobby. And I need to head back to my room.
cya
 
@DeadMG It's usually not viable to make purely refcounted systems
At least not for languages
 
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5:51 PM
The following screenshots are from various programs using this 3D engine.
[x][x][x][x]...
 
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AHA
 
Is the difference between a and b defined as (a - b) or abs(a - b)?
 
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in my universe as a - b but ok
 
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difference can be negative, but on what context?
 
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5:53 PM
if for example : what's the difference between speed -> always absolute
 
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oh, hmm
 
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3025 - 385 = 2640
 
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no abs there
 
I get a negative result. But it was considered wrong. Without the minus sign it is considered correct.
 
@StackedCrooked abs.
 
5:54 PM
You might have messed up.
 
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so difference between a and b is b - a
 
the difference between a and b is the raw size of the gap between them- it does not indicate in which direction the difference is.
i.e. diff(2, 5) == diff(5, 2)
 
Hey does anyone know how to trace a Debug Assertion Failed exception? Specifically something with _BLOCK_TYPE_IS_VALID(...)
 
5:55 PM
@StackedCrooked Easier way might be to just use the usually summation formulas. n(n+1)(2n+1)/6 for squares and n(n+1)/2 for the direct sum
 
@NikiC Lol, I forgot about those.
 
@StackedCrooked You never squared the second one.
 
@StackedCrooked And then you might even realize that the question is equivalent to asking about the difference between the sum of squares and the sum of cubes :)
 
evening all
 
sq_of_sum is never actually squared- it's just the regular sum.
 
5:57 PM
erm... any of you cat owners given your cat toys with synthetic fur?
 
@DeadMG Look closer.
 
I've had to confiscate these new toys back, as the cat growls and hisses at them
 
@thecoshma yes, all the time, why?
 
oic
did not notice that tiny sq call :P
 
I'm back
for a bit
 
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5:58 PM
@BenjaminDangerJohnson better ask him: DO Ur CATZ WANT U TO DIE?!
 
if you want some more blabla about Clang on Windows.
blablaclangblabla
 
@thecoshma it is probably just sensitive and thinks it smells like another animal. Just leave it somewhere so it smells like your house and not a sweat shop
 
Stacked
 
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just kidding :P
 
@DeadMG It's kinda tiny relative to the monstrous accumulate expression.
 
5:58 PM
what makes you think it is wrong? Rapptz's program gives the same output
 
His has absolute value while mine doesn't
 
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Who's a fan of chillstep? Starz up :P
 
@Rapptz But the outputs are identical.
 
@BenjaminDangerJohnson well, she seems more then happy to play with them... but is growling and hissing like nothing before... I'll try that, letting it smell like us...
 
I'm not starring that, but I do appreciate chillstep.
 
5:59 PM
@DeadMG My answer is accepted if I use abs. I just thought that this wasn't clear in the question.
 
25164150
 
Yeah I know, his question about abs
Why he had to use it.
 
@StackedCrooked Maybe it's just a dumb bug in whatever they use to check the answer.
 
Anyway, I'm trying to create a Managed C++ wrapper around a C++ dll for use in my C# application, but I am getting _BLOCK_TYPE_IS_VALID(...) excpetions. Does anyone know how to debug those exceptions?
 

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