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9:00 AM
@thecoshman oh. I'm sad you missed the opportunity.
 
@sehe huh?
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Hmm. I don't understand your question. It's seems pretty generic.
 
oh right right
 
@thecoshman He's just saying his machine is bigger than yours.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes And that's not the only part!
 
9:02 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes DAMN YOUR TROPES
 
Xeo
And no ape to bin them!
sigh, I really need to negotiate with the jobcenter that they pay me 2 month of rent, even if it's above their limit for 1 person... I mean, it's just 2 month. Ugh.
Time to make some calls.
 
@Xeo is he an owner again?
 
Xeo
Nope
 
how's everyone this fine morning?
 
Xeo
Hmm.. okay. It seems they atleast pay the maximum they have set, and any difference to the actual rent I'd need to pay myself.
 
9:11 AM
pulled two consecutive near all-nighters and now my sleep schedule is messed up...
 
huh... why is Jeff so excited about having a USB memory stick? I haven't used one of those for anything other then OS installs for years
 
Xeo
Alright, now a call to Funatics...
 
Bad ass leve: Russian
 
huh, didn't realise we'd gotten to 32/64GB now, I'm still using 4-8GB dongles
 
I saw a 16GB thingy on sale for 2€.
 
9:16 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes for some reasons, I want to buy it
I have no need for such a tinny bit of crud, but I still want to buy :P
Though, might be nice to get one for my Pi
perhaps it can be used as some sort of buffer...
pull entire DVD's over network and have them stored locally
 
Buy a bigger SD card?
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Still had that link in clipboard?
 
could do, but SD cards are expensive compared to USB sticks
 
and slower I think
 
9:20 AM
@Xeo :)
 
Xeo
Hm.. I use my 8gig stick for my Win7 installer, ntofflinepassword, documents, important post-installation stuff, and I guess that's it.
Anyways, call to Funatics finished, contract is being sent, first payment is done on the beginning of the next month instead of at the end of the same one.
Now all that's needed is a flat and the jobcenter stuff... sigh
 
Is there a version of copy which returns both the output and input iterator, one-past-the-end?
 
@Mysticial why? weren't you quitting your phd?
 
@Xeo so you can pay your first month rent?
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion Nah, the first month (of rent and the living costs) is payed by the job center. The problem is, if I get any money from work in the same month I got money from the job center, even if it's the 31st, I have to pay the job center money back.
 
9:32 AM
You don't have much need for a flat, since you will be spending most time at work on overtime, right?
;P
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ha-ha. Atleast my future-boss told me they're not constantly in crunch-time and need for overtime is generally low. But bosses may say many things. I'll see how it plays out in the end.
 
@LuchianGrigore At the end of the school year.
I still have one and a half semesters left.
And "quitting" although technically accurate, isn't the right term to use.
I was "forced" out is more appropriate.
 
@Mysticial Is it "screwed over"?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah. Even better.
 
user1357851
@Mysticial what are you majoring in?
 
user1357851
9:37 AM
Does anyone know what site/app/forum first invented the '@' sign?
 
Xeo
@Telkitty *what did you want to major in - FTFY
The at sign @ is also commonly called the at symbol, apetail or commercial at in English—and less commonly a wide range of other terms. The fact that there is no single word in English for the symbol has prompted some writers to use the French arobase or Spanish arroba—or to coin new words such as asperand—but none of these have achieved wide currency. Originally an accounting and commercial invoice abbreviation meaning "at the rate of" (e.g. 7 widgets @ $2 = $14), it was not included on the keyboard of the earliest commercially successful typewriters, but was on at least one 1889 model...
 
user1357851
@Xeo ...
 
user1357851
I mean '@somebody' notation
 
@Telkitty lol, that's probably from long before the Internet.
 
"Since 23 October 2012, the At-sign is registered as a trade Mark by the German Patent and Trade Mark Office – DPMA (registration number 302012038338) for @T.E.L.L. Trading house for exclusive luxury labels GmbH, 69469 Weinheim, DE. From now on it’s illegal for other commercial interests to use the At-sign." wtf
 
9:40 AM
Lol, copyfaggots incorporated even this
 
Xeo
@Telkitty Well, it's pronounced "at", so...
@somebody: foo is (directed) at somebody: foo
 
hmm... middle of the night. can't sleep.
Time to watch SAO 19.
 
user1357851
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ok, let me rephrase. What I meant was that I found nowadays a lot of sites use @somebody to reply to somebody.
 
Xeo
@Mysticial That seems to have been a great episode, according to a buddy.
 
user1357851
There are a lot of way you can reply to someone.
 
9:42 AM
I also need to answer a question today. If I get exactly one accept and repcap, I'll be capped at exactly 70k.
 
user1357851
For example I can say:
 
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Xeo: read this
 
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or
 
user1357851
To Xeo: read this
 
user1357851
or
 
user1357851
9:43 AM
2Xeo: read this
 
@Mysticial repwhore
 
@Ivan0x32 It's a trademark, not copyrighted.
 
@LuchianGrigore Haha... of all people it had to come from you. :)
 
user1357851
@Mysticial that's what alcohol is for.
 
@Mysticial that's why it's funny.
 
9:45 AM
It's not like I'm begging for upvotes. I'm at +6 today already. Given that it's a busy weekday. There's a good chance I'll cap without doing anything.
If I can just find one good question to answer. It'll definitely do it.
 
user1357851
It takes a repwhore to know another repwhore
 
@Mysticial I have a question for you, I'll accept your answer is it's good :)
 
user1357851
because the rest would not have thought the need to rep hoeing :x
 
@kbok If it's a "real" C++ question, I probably won't know the answer. :)
 
@Mysticial oh :(
 
@LuchianGrigore That's too "real" for me. :)
 
Why ask something like, it's obvious - lots of uses, statring with convinient container initialization.
 
Give him a question involving performance and stuff
 
Xeo
Gah, not being able to specify which pack to expand can be really frustrating when trying to come up with workarounds for the lack of said feature. :|
 
Does "aardvark" stand for something?
 
Xeo
9:50 AM
@Ivan0x32 "can" as in "what does the language allow"
 
@Xeo ah I get it
 
@LuchianGrigore It's an animal.
 
...
I mean in the context of software
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion It's stupid, IMHO, really.
 
9:51 AM
@LuchianGrigore Python is also an animal.
 
Xeo
@Mysticial kek @ typo
 
@Xeo Muscle memory made me type "anime" instead of "animal".
Clearly I use one more often than the other.
 
Xeo
That's what I was referring to.
 
Xeo
9:52 AM
Although I was seriously wondering which anime you were talking about, at first.
 
oooh, it's Tuesday
 
user1357851
@kbok your avatar reminds me of this:
 
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@LuchianGrigore Dammit... since when did you overtake me in Enlightened badges?
 
@Mysticial who's counting? :P
 
9:56 AM
@Telkitty lol, I liked the mexican standoff with the cat
 
@LuchianGrigore SO? :P
 
Xeo
@Mysticial Not surprising with the fact that his #ofanswers output is roughly 25x higher than yours.
 
@Xeo Probably more. I'm averaging like 2/week nowadays.
 
Same here
If you read "week" as "hour" :P
nah.. it's probably like 7-8 per day
 
OMG
OH: repo stands for repurchase
Why no one told me before ?
 
10:00 AM
Way off-topic: stackoverflow.com/questions/13358606/… Voted to close as off-topic.
 
hello! Anyone around to help me with a little Jquery please?
 
I like how shocked people are by how easily Starbucks has dodged UK tax. It's simple, tax is paid on profits. Profits are a lot less when nearly all of your turn over is paid to some where like Starbucks USA as 'branding fees' a simple cheat to transfer funds from one nation to another, whilst keeping it in the global company and avoiding high UK tax.
 
@KirstyHarris This room is called Lounge<C++> for a reason.
 
Xeo
@kbok Wat.
 
@Insilico yeah, it's for lounging in! ;)
 
10:01 AM
@jalf Exactly. Not for answering jQuery questions. :-P
 
@Insilico i understand this, however i noticed there was no one in that room, hence asking in a more active room?
 
Xeo
@KirstyHarris No, go back to the jQuery room.
 
@KirstyHarris We don't have many web developers here. You should try on stackoverflow :)
 
ok, no worries thanks
 
Xeo
@KirstyHarris Even if that room is totally unrelated to jQuery?
 
10:02 AM
@Xeo apparently. ;)
 
well if someone knew it in here then i thought a polite person maybe able to help? I dont assume that everyone doesnt know something
hence asking :)
but never mind, thankyou
 
@KirstyHarris what does that have to do with anything?
 
Xeo
Imagine sitting in a lounge with your web-dev buddies, and suddenly someone storms in and needs a bomb defused. Just because the bomb-defusal group was out on a mission, he thought it was a good idea to crash at your place.
 
Coming here because there's nobody in the jQuery room is like a man going to the women's restroom because there's nobody in the men's restroom.
 
well that happens regularly sometimes mystical....
 
10:02 AM
@Xeo You mean defused ?
 
i only wanted to ask if anyone would assist who knew! not to be greeted by sarcastic jibes. thanks for the help either way!
 
@KirstyHarris Would you ask a computer science question to a bunch of history professors in the History Department lounge at college?
 
Xeo
@kbok I do indeed.
 
@Insilico I would. That'd be fun :)
 
Xeo
10:03 AM
@KirstyHarris Welcome to Lounge<C++>, at your service since neverday!
 
Besides jalf, of course.
 
as i said @Insilico... I only asked in case anyone knew.... and most are helpful
 
Somewhat relevant :)
 
@Insilico What if it is a question about computer science history?
 
user1357851
10:04 AM
A innocent newb in this room is almost like a piece of meat in a pool of trolling sharks
 
@Xeo You know, repo rates and repo securities (=short positions)
 
Xeo
Reminds me of that.
 
@Kirsty Harris, just ask, maybe some will actually help.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Okay, forget my last analogy. :-P
@Ivan0x32 Do note that Lounge<C++> has absolutely no service level guarantee whatsoever. Or as to say, asking jQuery questions here is leads to undefined behavior.
 
Xeo
@Ivan0x32 No! Bad Ivan!
 
10:06 AM
@jalf I've seen that. lol.
 
Xeo
@jalf Nice one.
 
user1357851
Yes Kristy, as you have noticed, people in this room is very newb friendly.
 
user1357851
And totally willing to help ... I think (s)he's gone
 
Yeah, right, we're not newb friendly.
There are several newbies that disagree with that.
 
user1357851
:x
 
10:08 AM
Newbies that were respectful and cordial.
 
Solving simple task is boring, that the reason all the professionals hate to answer dumb question that can be just googled.
 
user1357851
@R.MartinhoFernandes or good at trolling (which implies they have been trained somewhere else).
 
The only privilege you get from being a neophyte is that you can learn lots of stuff.
 
Or not...
 
Why should neophytes be granted special treatment?
 
10:10 AM
Yeah, they are the privileged, not us
 
You're right, they shouldn't be, or they just going to stay neophytes forever.
 
user1357851
Oh I see, so this room would only accept people of certain level. Who would have thought :x
 
@Telkitty Yes. That certain level is "not a complete dumbass".
 
Yeah. The level that cares about more than just popping in and getting his questions answered.
There's a reason for that 13-star pinned message on the right.
 
14 FTFY
 
10:13 AM
How in the world did Lounge<C++> get lots of (semi)regulars in the first place?
 
If you don't even care to see what goes on before you ask your oh-so-urgent question, you are being rude and disrepectful.
 
lol, colleague storming out of the office answering the phone in english... I wonder what kind of call that would be :p
 
Xeo
@kbok Hehe
When he comes back, wish him luck with his interview? :P
 
@Insilico Because C++ people are lazy lollygags
@Xeo will do :)
 
Xeo
@Insilico It's not like we're the only room with lots of regulars
But we're the only room (I think) where those regulars also are made owners.
 
10:16 AM
@Xeo True, although there seems to be quite a bit compared to the other rooms. Or at least seem way more active in the chat transcripts.
 
TPH I spoke with him about it and he told me that he wants to leave, but he hasn't found a generous enough offer yet.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Is the most regular
 
Xeo
@Pubby Yeah, except that table isn't very accurate.
The bottom fluctates way too much.
@kbok Nothing wrong with that.
@Insilico Well, that's because we're awesome.
And we admit that our preferred programming language sucks. And come together to bash it as a mob. Where are our supplies of forks and torches anyways?
 
kbok, what TPH acronym stands for? I can't google it.
 
@Xeo Of course, all programming languages suck. It's just that some suck less than others.
 
10:19 AM
To pe honest
 
pe?
 
Xeo
@Insilico It's not about the language sucking. It's about the users accepting and saying that, and them coming together to form a mob. :)
 
@kbok Your keyboard layout has the "b" and the "p" keys close together or something?
 
@Xeo The thing is, we are already way above the market so he'll probably never find an equivalent salary except abroad. I told him he should sacrifice a bit of his wealth to get a better job... But it's a tough decision. He wants a bigger home for his third child :)
@Insilico No, but they're close together in my head :)
 
Xeo
@kbok Ah, so private need drives him too.
 
10:22 AM
@Xeo Yeah. There's many people like him here, this company keeps people by paying them way more than other companies. OTOH, the job sucks.
 
Xeo
:s
 
@Xeo The Ruby, PHP and Python devlopers tried to form a mob, but the first to arrive had starved to death when the last got there.
 
I'm young so I can leave before being trapped in a loan.
 
user1357851
@Insilico Just between you and me, kz. Personally I think C++ lounge gets a lot of (semi) regular because C++ was taught by almost all collagues' computer science/engineering departments. So there seems to be more C++ people around
 
I don't think that's true.
 
10:26 AM
@Telkitty I thought Java was the new fad that's taking over the CS departments.
 
user1357851
@Insilico new fad
 
user1357851
C++ has been around for longer
 
Its more C with classes-people more around actually
 
user1357851
thus larger population
 
@Telkitty True, but Java has also been around a while too.
 
user1357851
10:27 AM
C/C++ : 25 years
 
user1357851
Java 15
 
user1357851
there are also a lot of C++ wannabes
 
user1357851
Or maybe C++ people make better trolls :x
 
user1357851
just saying ...
 
@kbok you say that now
 
10:29 AM
What is it with you and trolls, FFS.
@Ivan0x32 Those don't hang out here much. Luckily.
 
user1357851
@kbok if you have to be trapped by a loan, younger is better than older.
 
user1357851
like the sooner you start the sooner it will end
 
@Telkitty Unless you default. In which then you'll be screwed over later.
 
user1357851
I have friends who bought a place at 22 (with parents help) and almost finished repayment by 32
 
user1357851
@Insilico that's true
 
10:33 AM
@Telkitty How much is the place?
 
user1357851
@Insilico maybe around 200k-300k 10 years ago?
 
Xeo
What's the difference again between currying and partial function application? :)
 
user1357851
It is a bit like having children, the younger you have them, the sooner you can kick them out, hahaha :p
 
@Telkitty Yeah but they will still be your kids for around the same amount of time, no?
Assuming they don't stay to live until they're 26 or something.
 
Xeo
I know they're related and I think the latter is often confused with the former.
 
user1357851
10:37 AM
@Insilico you can kick them out. As in you can not legally kick them out before they are 18
 
@Telkitty My original point still stands.
 
user1357851
But what would I know I am taking my time repaying my loan, at this rating I would be repaying the same loan until I am 60 :x (I am paying interest only)
 
user1357851
go figure.
 
Yeah, but I don't know yet where I want to settle down so buying a house would be stupid
 
user1357851
@kbok you can buy a house then move around
 
user1357851
10:39 AM
like if the rent pays for the repayment
 
@Xeo Currying is a type of partial application
 
user1357851
then you do not need to fork out more
 
Xeo
@Pubby Is it? From what I understand, currying doesn't imply partial application, although its a way to implement that.
 
user1357851
which financially it is like you have not bought anything, but eventually you will own the house
 
@Xeo Currying transforms a function into one that you can use partial application on.
 
10:42 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes You can't use partial application on a curried function since there's only 1 argument
 
Xeo
I think in C++ the difference is much more obvious than in, say, Haskell, where you don't need explicit delimiters for the function arguments
 
\x -> x + 5
^ partial application (I think)
 
Xeo
void f(int, int, int, int){}
curry(f)(a)(b)(c)(d);
bind(f, a, b)(c, d); // partial application
(From what I understand, as already said.)
 
hi guys :) @Insilico... i noticed the at a complete dumbass comment in the transcript from here... im not sure if that was DIRECTLY aimed at myself or not?
 
Currying is really just a convenient notation for partially applying "leftmost" arguments.
 
10:45 AM
and @R.MartinhoFernandes... im not sure what the comment about me being impolite was...,.... and sorry for troubling u in requesting assistance.
 
@KirstyHarris He didn't refer to you. It was a general comment. Which I have seen many times on Lounge.
 
If I have an array { a, b, b, a, b, b, a, b, b } what word could I use to describe the bs?
They are essentially a fixed number of elements which come after each a. Maybe something related to span?
 
the most annoying things about monitors is when the colours do not match. Even worse then when they are not matched in size or resolution.
 
user1357851
@Pubby followers :D
 
user1357851
2 bs are the followers of 1 a
 
10:50 AM
That's an idea
 
That's a lot of bs
 
Xeo
lol
 
I'm referring to { a, b, b, a, b, b, a } as separators since the bs only come between the as here
 
Xeo
@Pubby Delimiters might be an option, since it delimits the as, but it sounds weird because it's multiple bs
 
Delimeters implies separators though
Maybe 'alternatives'?
 
user1804599
10:53 AM
Hi.
 
'successive alternatives'?
 
@Xeo deliminators FTFY
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes And not to forget Martin's delaminators.
Hows your flat search going, btw?
 
user1804599
@Pubby hipsters?
 
@Xeo Not well. I'm getting seriously pissed off. (especially after chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/10?m=6193106#6193106)
 
Xeo
10:54 AM
:s
 
'sequence terminators'
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ew
@Pubby They're after the as! (Double-pun intended)
 
@Pubby Now's your chance to coin a phrase
 
lol, turns out NoMachine will read media keys as actual key presses
 

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