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3:00 PM
A simple way to fuck everything up...
 
@kbok Downvoted his answer. Now my rep is a multiple of 5 :D
 
Seriously, who upvoted that
 
Downvote gives reputation?
 
"Just import std in the global namespace" Oh yeah it's a useful answer
 
You kids and your C++!
 
3:05 PM
woof
 
"Have you tried setting yourself on fire ? Worked well for me, fixed all the bugs"
 
That's usually my first resort
 
@kbok Probably someone that did it to counter someone else's right to vote, commonly know as "countering downvotes".
 
Here's me when I program in C++:
http://youtu.be/Lixt9dt94co
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nope, when I arrived it was at +1/0
 
3:06 PM
@Ivan0x32 Downvoting an answer takes away 1rep I had 2096, now I have 2095
 
The time I spend posting "Y U NO VECTOR" comments on noob questions
I blame crappy teachers
 
@Borgleader I thought they got rid of downvote cost?
 
@robjb On questions only
 
man, I suck at writing CVs
 
3:08 PM
@robjb Nope it's still there.
 
@kbok "But you have to know how the abstraction works!" but then it turns out that according to them the abstraction works by having you calling new and delete manually everywhere :(
 
Actually it's a really good thing, gets rid of stupid idiots who downvote all posts whose mark are below zero.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You mean the implementation ?
Because the funny part is that many people never get taught about vector, deque and map
 
@kbok No, I mean that that is what all those idiots end up teaching how the abstraction works.
They forget are idiots that don't know that the abstraction works with RAII.
 
I think we agree but I really don't understand. I'm not even sure that was a valid sentence
 
3:14 PM
There's some places you don't want any splinters
 
Oh, I get it now
But the problem is bigger than that IMO. You don't need to know how the abstraction works. You don't learn how the C++ ABI is implemented, how OS syscalls generate context switchs from one ring to another, how your sound card uses PWM to save up on energy.
You only learn that if you need to build a C++ compiler, a low-level library, or a sound card.
These teachers don't seem to get that people (hopefully) don't reimplement the standard library. Yet they teach people to do exactly that, and they don't even teach to program properly.
 
I know
it's pure stupidity
 
No wonder there is guys here who are writing their own vectors then.
 
I still can't find a find a tutorial on how to set static linking in VS2010 , could someone guide me
 
I disaggree, deep knowledge actually allows person to be creative. Problems is, not everyone are capable to learn everything about computer. Actually there are really few i guess.
 
3:19 PM
Somehow they seem to believe that the abstractions provided by the standard library are leaky and need knowledge of its internals to understand. I think it comes from a C mindset where this is often the case.
 
Altrought actual work are nearly composed of quick learning some thing on really really basic level and then implementing an program from this little knowledge.
 
@Ivan0x32 True, but if you have little knowledge, better it be about using the lib than about writing one, am I right ?
 
@Ivan0x32 I think what allows you to be creative is tools that you can work with and reason about without hassle.
You cannot be creative if you have to spend time fighting the tools.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Agreed, but my point is: how can you improve something if you don't actually know how it work right now?
 
@Ivan0x32 You can't improve something if you don't know how it's used either
 
3:23 PM
You cannot improve something if you don't know what can be improved. That can only be known if you know how to use it.
 
pro tip: when a problem comes along, respond with an avalanche of questions
 
@Ivan0x32 And TBH I'd rather not have noobs creating programming tools.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes bacon
 
Hint: you can't improve it even if you know how it works
Because you have no experience whatsoever
 
when will you people learn, everything is better with bacon, even bacon
 
3:24 PM
And because the knowledge you have, the guy who wrote the tool/library had 10x when he wrote it
You'll be able to make better stuff only by knowing fucking everything about it, just like the others before you
The rest is just pretentious ignorance
 
IMO there may not be a necessity to understand the inner works of std libs, but it's always fascinating to learn how it works :-p. Not necessarily to attempt to improve it, but just the feeling that you know some of the inner works gives some satisfaction. :-)
 
I agree, it's very interesting to learn how stuff is made.
 
Sometimes such knowledge actually help fight bugs :)
 
But asking students to write code without those tools is just plain stupid
 
@BeyondSora That's ok. I believe no one here is arguing in favour of hiding knowledge. We are talking about people that is learning C++.
 
3:28 PM
I have a colleague who is learning C++ the "fast way" (ie without all this C crap) and he's going really really fast
 
@kbok I think implementing your own vector is a good exercise (Bjarne seems to use that often), but that's only to teach stuff like RAII and exception guarantees.
 
@kbok yeah, but don't you think having students do some of the tasks without the aid of std libs may actually lead them to appreciate the convenience of having these tools at hand later on? :-)
 
@kbok learning it with out C rap is the right way
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yup, writing vector is a good exercise (and tweaking the perfs profiles etc). Writing an app without vector is not
 
Definitely.
 
3:30 PM
@thecoshman C rap ? That definitely sounds badass
@BeyondSora With that kind of reasoning, you should poke your students with pointy sticks so that they can appreciate their absence once on their jobs
 
@kbok agreed :-) My previous internship relied on a bunch of internal libs, and it was painful not even able to use vector but instead had to use some in-house container class from the 90s... :-(
 
@BeyondSora My current job has this, that's why I'm leaving
 
sceptical faces on people
 
@kbok well thats kinda what I had to deal with for a course... And now I LOVE anything that's std :-p
 
3:34 PM
I'm supposed to have a meeting with my boss right now. I guess my boss is late again.
 
That's why he is boss)
 
man
Word, you can't have some text left-aligned and some other text on the same line right-aligned?
you annoy me
 
@DeadMG I make tables for that, it sucks
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Q: DevIL not working opengl c++

DaveWhen i run my program the error the application was unable to start correctly (0xc0150002). Click OK to close the application appears. It is something to do when i call ilInit(); iluInit(); ilutInit(); in my main function have i linked devil correctly? i downloaded the newest version and ...

^ What is this crap seriously
ilInit();
iluInit();
ilutInit();
 
C APIs.
@kbok No, you don't need tables.
@DeadMG It can.
You guys suck.
 
look
I had some text on the line
 
3:39 PM
Just add tabulations.
 
and I highlighted some of it and clicked "Right align".
if that's not the interface then dafuq is it supposed to be
 
Right click the ruler thing on top and set a tabulation to align right.
 
if the user can't find the feature, it doesn't exist.
what ruler?
 
There's a thing with numbers above the page, no?
 
no
 
3:40 PM
Well, you need to make that visible.
 
right
I got it
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's a very fnacy screen shot
 
and I have a "Right Tab".
 
@thecoshman Got it from the docs. I don't have Word at hand.
 
now what?
 
3:41 PM
@DeadMG I just make a table for that :P
@R.MartinhoFernandes I see...
 
Now you press tab where you want to separate the text that is supposed to use that tab.
 
right
but now, all that happens is that they wrap over the edge of the page on to the left
it doesn't actually align the text, just seems to add spaces.
 
Like I said, just make a one row two column table, hide the borders and pow, you get left an right aligned shit for the top of your letter
 
no wait, I fixed it
uneccessarily confusing and arcane, but fixed.
 
I don't get it
 
3:45 PM
@kbok Notice the tiny black mark on the right of the ruler.
 
right
now I just need to figure out what the fuck to put in the actually important part
 
lol
The cool thing is that you can put tab stops in styles.
Good luck doing that with tables.
 
how the fuck do you get rid of tab stops
 
there doesn't seem to be a delete button
 
3:47 PM
I didn't say tables where a good solution, just the one I've always used :P
 
@DeadMG Drag it down.
 
wow
who dafuq came up with this?
 
For some reason they didn't change this part of the interface when they introduced the ribbon.
 
But it's still not aligned
 
it's a fairly odd thing to use isn't it?
 
3:50 PM
You suck.
Use right-aligned tab.
 
I do agree that it is arcane. But it does work nicely if you get used to it.
 
Hint: it faces the other way.
 
Ahh
Okay
Thanks :)
 
double click to change the setting
 
Acuaely I changed it to be left-aligned, hence confusion
 
3:52 PM
You accidentally a word
 
oh god they are a pain to work with
 
svn blame cat
Hi peeps.
 
I have a feeling they made the ruler hidden by default because of people asking "how to remove the black squiggle thingies" they added accidentally.
 
No
black squiggle thingies
will be my band's name
 
Tabs are pretty obvious
There are far more stupid and arcane things Word can do
Sometimes on its own
Well, usually on its own
 
3:56 PM
you just suck is all
 
I had Word insert invulnerable document elements more than once
 
"on its own" stands for "while I'm drunk", right?
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"Oh, you mean you don't want that horizontal line here? You're shit out of luck then"
No, I have better things to do while drunk than to use Word.
 
@CatPlusPlus Yeah I hate that
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wait, I thought it was you who couldn't tank alcohol?
 
3:59 PM
I fail to see the relevance.
 
Oh, you mean @CatPlusPlus is a weakling too?
 
@EtiennedeMartel No. I mean that he says it's Word on its own, but he is actually drunk and has no idea what he is doing.
 
Yeah, I got that part.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Don't tell me you never get drunk.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you got a raspberry pi right? you using it yet?
 
4:01 PM
Oh yes. I got massively drunk last friday. Was a bad idea to keep drinking after that fourth pint and that uppercut.
 
@thecoshman I forgot my SD card back in Portugal, so I'll have to buy one first.
 
@thecoshman I have one but no plans for it :(
 
I already have a power plug, though.
 
you sissies can't use Word?
What's wrong with ya?
or is the Cat just drunk?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I like with the limited amount of stuff you could bring with you, yo manage the Pi but not the SD card :P
 
4:03 PM
3 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@EtiennedeMartel Don't tell me you never get drunk.
Ahahahahaha look at that sentence
 
there is a difference between never get drunk, and falling over after a pint
 
@thecoshman I left it on my old phone. I wouldn't bring that piece of junk.
 
@thecoshman I've answered your post
 
@CatPlusPlus I don't see anything wrong with it. You're probably drunk.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Robot thinking you never get drunk
 
4:05 PM
I never get drunk
 
@CatPlusPlus Aah. Yes.
 
@thecoshman Plus, the Pi is small enough to carry on my jacket.
 
@DeadMG You should.
 
no
 
Damn.
Mark my word, one day, I shall make you drink.
 
4:07 PM
lol
 
you'll have to get past my epic karate training first
 
Tsk tsk.
 
@EtiennedeMartel ¬_¬ I never drink...
 
@thecoshman Bullshit.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes and powerful enough to run it too
 
4:08 PM
shitbull
 
@EtiennedeMartel crap, worth a shot I thought
 
@thecoshman To run what?
 
Ell
I used to be totally against drinking any amount of alcohol, then I tried it :3
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ¬_¬ your jacket...
 
The ape says I behave differently when I'm drunk. I never noticed. I am going to claim he was drunk when he "noticed" that.
 
4:08 PM
@thecoshman Your place of residence is listed as "Ireland". Of course you're drinking.
 
@EtiennedeMartel hey! I'm English damn you!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Alcohol turns any "this is crap" into "this is a great idea!"
 
Ell
what 3d engine was to be used for kyrostat?
 
@thecoshman My jacket has no electronics. I have no ideae what you are trying to say.
@Ell Custom, obviously. That's why there's nothing in it.
 
Ell
I think I'm gonna have a go at OSG
 
4:10 PM
@Ell the null engine. cutting-edge :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes phft, crap jacket
 
A jacket made of crap.
 
Ell
or maybe I'll try writing an abstract interface
so I know some kind of requirements
 
@Ell 'is to be used', we are going to roll our own at some stage
 
Ell
@thecoshman what is wrong with existing?
 
4:12 PM
still, we do have a forum people
 
Ell
I remember there being more than 1 post
ahh nevermind
 
@thecoshman That seems rather ambitious.
 
@Chimera and trying to run a group project with people who have come together through procrastination isn't?
 
@thecoshman All you need now is to write your own compiler tool chain to build the game. :-)
 
user1804599
4:17 PM
an egg-cellent pun which is terrible
 
@Chimera that's a brilliant idea!
 
@thecoshman btw, did you pull the changes from the main vendor repo?
 
@thecoshman lol
 
@melak47 yeah, well deleted my local copy of vendor and reset it back to use the main one and not my fork
 
@Ell Nothing, everyone on this project sucks.
 
4:19 PM
OMG. McAfee accused of murder... I'm sensing a pattern here.
 
They can't even figure out how where to put files for them to actually build :laugh:
 
@Ell everything out there sucks
 
Design by Consensus!
 
Really, I think this project should use Unity or UDK or whatever, and leave C++ for good
 
Ell
@thecoshman what about them? be specific! :P
 
4:20 PM
@CatPlusPlus well that's what happens if you make some cryptic build scripts all over the place and give them to everyone :p
 
Then it will actually be obvious that we have no art people whatsoeve
 
@CatPlusPlus I actually do 3d modeling
 
They're not very cryptic.
 
@CatPlusPlus including yourself
 
any way, I'm off now
 
4:21 PM
@TonyTheLion I'm just overseeing
 
bye
 
see y'all later
 
(But yeah)
 
@CatPlusPlus ... the build system :P
 
point made
 
4:22 PM
Bah, you can just write your own, and we'll see how much you like it
And how well it works
CHALLENGE
 
I'll just use MSVC :p
/VS
 
I'm just blaming the Cat. :P
 
My app is not using boost -mt libraries. I added then using simple CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS in CMakeLists.txt
set(CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS "-lboost_program_options-mt -lboost_thread -lboost_filesystem-mt -lboost_serialization-mt -Wall")
 
Rule #1: Always blame the cat.
Rule #2: If it's your fault see rule #1.
4
 
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus I blame you for @Chimera not ending all of his sentences with periods.
 
4:24 PM
haha!
 
It's an art
Not everyone can master it.
 
Wow, so I get this new CPU cooler and now I can run all four cores maxed out with Folding at Home and the temps don't exceed 65C. However, one of the cores always runs a good 7C cooler than the others. Weird.
 
@Chimera all four cores of what? :D
 
@melak47 CPU
 
@Chimera I figured that, but which one :p
 
4:28 PM
i7 3770K
 
overclocked? or why did you need a new cooler
 
@Chimera 3770K? But you said 65C!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes hehee
@melak47 My other cooler was allowing the temps in the same situation to reach slightly over 100C. But I think that was primarily due to the fact that I used thermal tape instead of thermal grease.
 
Ell
@NeelBasu not sure. but I think you should put the libraries in a different thing?
ADD_LIBRARY or something
I don't know
 
So now using the thermal grease and new cooler... everybody is happy. Just wonder about the one core running cooler than the rest.
 
4:30 PM
@Chimera the ivy bridge thing might also be contributing
 
When I stop Folding at Home the temps immediately drop to around 31C.
27C now.
 
:)
 
Ell
31C is very cool imho
 
@Ell Yeah, I'm pretty happy with it now.
 
user1804599
Mine is always around 42º.
 
4:34 PM
mine is usually around 90ºC
 
user1804599
Try vacuuming your computer.
 
nah
it's a bad heatsink mount, I think.
 
user1804599
At least it will never get wet. :)
 
@DeadMG idle?!
 
@DeadMG You win.
 
4:35 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes That joke's been had. Specifically in a many-voted comment at a Mysticial answer IIRC
@DeadMG We were talking about CPUs
@Chimera Thermal grease..., distribution of (p. 23)
 
user1804599
My CPU never exceeds 20% usage unless I'm compiling stuff, running games or doing other crazy stuff.
 
@Ell shouldn't it work -l only?
 
@Ell it sucks
 
@Aardvark What counts as crazy?
 
Ell
@sehe but why? :P
 
4:37 PM
@sehe I believe I spread it thinly and evenly over the entire heatsink base...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Encoding HD porn.
 
@Aardvark let me run a real life graph of that for me
 
user1804599
@R.MartinhoFernandes performing operations on large amounts of data.
 
@Ell Yeah. "Whyyyyy" In a melodramatic, Sartre infatuated, nihilist-influenced voice
 
Ell
target_link_libraries (target_exec libname) maybe?
 
user1804599
4:38 PM
But when I'm just coding, chatting and streaming music, like usual, it won't exceed 20%.
 
@Chimera I believe you spread it slightly less evenly to one particular side :) Or the contact with the base of the heatsink isn't homogenic
 
@Chimera But the results believe otherwise ;)
 
user1804599
I'm streaming music and chatting with you right now.
 
@sehe "Homogenic" means "with the same hygiene all over", right?
 
@sehe it could also be intel screwing with the way the heat spreader is attached to the actual cpu. they apparently chose some sub optimal solution for ivy bridge
 
4:39 PM
Anyways, just realizing that I didn't know my CPU was running at 100C 24/7 for a few weeks makes me wonder how much shorter it's life is now.
 
user1804599
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Homogene? Nah, that's a genetic thing. I pass
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Agreed.
 
@Aardvark TMI
 
@Chimera Four or five packs of cigarettes.
 
4:40 PM
However! When idling the temp of that one core is more inline with the others....
 
user1804599
@sehe ?
 
@melak47 So, it's an Intel Iffy Bridge :)
 
@sehe lol
 
user1804599
Intel Ivy Bitch
 
@Aardvark The formula "I'm .... right now" is usually TMi
@Aardvark You win
 
4:41 PM
@melak47 Wasn't aware of that.
 
@sehe So was I.
 
sbi
@thecoshman Yeah, and did you know that, when cutting onions, you have to weep less if the knife is sharp?
@thecoshman Let's settle for "most knifes can be brought close to it" for a very short while.
@thecoshman Of course, what you buy here as Made in Germany is sharp, too, though few expensive ones are as sharp as that. The question is how long they keep being that sharp. While cutting half a carrot or the whole pack? I prefer the latter.
 
Hoof <-- that typo
Good :)
 
Consulted google. Seems it's pretty common for Ivy Bridge CPUs to have one core run cooler than the others.
 
Ell
hmm interesting
 
4:47 PM
> A man who put a cat in a tumble dryer, turned it on three times and put the video on YouTube has been sentenced to 56 days in prison.
 
with this youtube.com/watch?v=FMWR3hrMO3g&feature=related, work has just become 10x more enjoyable :p
 
at least you get punished for tumbledrying your cat
so @Cat is safe from being tumble dryed
lol
 
sbi
Uh oh. oneboxed animated gif.
 
@sbi You missed your owner powers for a second there, eh?
 
4:48 PM
So maybe I will machine the surface of the CPU down a bit... Maybe it's not entirely flat.
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Actually, I was looking forward to watching which one of you would it be.
 
sbi
So exciting.
 
So... no to animated gifs?
 
@sbi Hey, you still at work?
 
sbi
4:49 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yep. And currently it looks like I need to stay here for a while. :(
 
Ell
where do you install boost on windows?
 
@sbi And no one's home? Guess I have some time to kill.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You could drink beer. I heard the beer is good in Germany.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, you'll have to wait for me.
 
So maybe I will buy a small fridge, like the ones in hotels, and put my PC in it... then it will always run VERY cool. :-)
 
4:54 PM
@EtiennedeMartel I get lost while sober. I don't think that's a good idea.
 
Excellent.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes If you have trouble finding something to kill the time with, you could come out here and help me fixing those crashes. :-/
 
Is there a way to have enum values be static const members of a class?
 
but condensation would probably kill it
 
4:56 PM
myClass::e rather than myClass::myEnum::e
 
Anonymous enums?
 
Those exist?
 
sbi
@Pubby That's what you get automatically in C++ unless you do something funny.
 
@sbi I don't understand
Oh, wait I do!
I'm stupid
I confused them with enum classes
 
@sbi You're joking, right? But I have no idea where that is, anyway.
 
sbi
4:59 PM
@Pubby struct X { enum { Y, Z }; }; ==> X::Y
 
@Pubby Yep. :-) JK
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, they probably won't like it if I get in some stranger to work with on their stuff.
 

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