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9:01 AM
you know, as much as we moan about Java developers writing C++ as if it was Java, I can't help but look at Java code and think in a C++ way
 
How can you do that
 
@TonyTheLion ? you said:
40 mins ago, by Tony The Lion
wut?
 
just things like using 'new'
 
hmmm
 
lol
@sehe now I'm really confused
 
9:14 AM
@TonyTheLion Well. I said "Oh hai" to you too, and then you acted all strange. So, I explained I meant nothing but "Oh hai" to you too. I don't get what you can possibly be confused about
 
@jogojapan srry about that, im also having some trouble seeing the text, my monitor is dying, my new one should be here sometime from friday to monday. the pincuhsion isn't holding so my whole desktop looks like an hour glass and everything is skewed — Francis Cugler 11 mins ago
@sehe I like your example above, however when i tried it, this line auto first = _vTerms.begin(), curr = first+1; was giving me this compiler/build error... 1>c:\users\skilz80\documents\visual studio 2010\projects\advancedmathematics\polynomial.cpp(124): error C3538: in a declarator-list 'auto' must always deduce to the same type – — Francis Cugler 10 mins ago
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, that sucks.
 
^ Help. What the hell is going on there :)
 
dat bug report
> Basket assignement screen is very slow
> Insert a new line (132s : in red below)
 
9:19 AM
@kbok Hah. Super heroes can still save the world even though their being kept sedated and deprived of good food/beverages.
 
slow indeed
 
@kbok It's a dirty hack that the puppy thought was necessary for some crap within the Windows API. Fortunately Alf showed it wasn't.
 
I liked that hack. It was devious and deliciously evil
And it would probably break down in splendid ways in unexpected circumstances.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh, thanks. I thought at first that it was an exotic way to make apps crash.
 
9:21 AM
@sehe oh I just misunderstood your statement then
 
@sehe Though James Bond's only superpower is to find a waiter who knows how to make a dry martini anywhere in the world.
Well now he doesn't anymore.
 
How can you possibly come to the conclusion that using SSE will be slow doing that??? Have you tested it? — Tony The Lion 6 secs ago
 
@kbok Well, he can find it. And he can order it. And he can drink it. The contract just precludes the final cut show it.
 
@sehe true
 
Ok, I have to ask. Why do people post a comment, and then onebox it here? Is it to get our approval on it, or what?
 
9:26 AM
Maybe the martini magically becomes a can of beer at some point :)
 
@jalf or to get your input
is that wrong?
 
ok :)
 
I don't need your approval.
 
> at least 4 additions
 
9:28 AM
@TonyTheLion no, I just wondered if there was something to it I missed
 
Oh my god, this is going to be sooo slow.
 
@jalf ok
@kbok some people have honestly no clue what they're talking about.
 
@jalf Ok, I have to ask. When people throw their hands up, roll their eyes, inquiring as to the motives of irrational beings in the chat, why is that? Aren't you doing precisely the same? Namely: vent, share surprise, sollicit opinions, whatnot?
 
oh gawd. You set someone off there.
 
9:29 AM
@TonyTheLion Maybe he just wants to experiment with SSE, and he's inventing an excuse (IMO)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That must mean (a) my sentence is weird (b) I can't know what the contract states (c) both :)
 
@kbok it's a silly question.
 
@sehe Ok, I have to ask. What the fuck are you talking about?
It might be hard to believe, but I was not trying to mock @TonyTheLion or passive-aggressively say "you are a moron for doing that"
I was simply asking what the purpose of it was
 
which I stated
 
@sehe No, that basically means "What the fuck are you smoking?"
 
9:31 AM
@TonyTheLion yup, which is why whatever @sehe is trying to say in a very sarcastic manner doesn't really make much sense to me
 
I can see both. And I was just mirroring, because I find it very amusing that you post a similar motion - in my view
@jalf No sarcasm intended
 
@sehe a "similar motion"?
 
@jalf well @sehe does post a lot of comments himself, which can only lead me to the conclusion is why he posted that.
 
Anyways, I'd not have mentioned a thing had you not started with "I have to ask". This is a bit of a hair trigger with me. Because, obviously, you don't, really :)
This is how I'd immediately think to ask "What makes you ask this"
 
so you reacted
you bear.
 
9:33 AM
Reading his original Q, about trading strategies optimization, I can assert that he genuinely doesn't have a clue about what he's doing.
 
@sehe "I have to ask to satisfy my own curiosity"
 
I think penguin's are prey to polar bears IRL.
 
I didn't say what was making me "have to ask", did I? I didn't think it was relevant
 
so I guess this response to a penguin is not abnormal, from a polar bear :P
 
I'm sorry I omitted completely irrelevant information. It won't happen again
 
9:34 AM
lol
yes next time please include what you were having for breakfast and when you went to bed last night
 
@jalf I'm not saying you have to do anything, mate. I'm explaining what in part prompts me to post the things I did. Because.... you asked .... Makes sense, doesn't it?
@jalf Again, not the point. I'm just observing a similarity in posting random comments to be shared and random observations like that of yourself in response. Same deal.
 
@sehe no... No, it doesn't. Not at all. What did I ask? I'm pretty sure I didn't ask you anything at that point
 
so meta
 
@sehe Where did I make a random observation?
Are we reading the same chat transcript here?
 
this chat is mostly random
 
9:37 AM
I thought I asked @TonyTheLion a question. Apparently, you are reading a chat where I asked you a question, and made a "random observation" about @TonyTheLion. Do I understand that correctly?
 
I think this discussion is now pointless. Let's move on to the next random tidbit in our most random of lives...
 
We all seem to do this "Oh hey, my colleague just said this", "OMG just saw the cutest puppy/bat/cat/...", "Huh, what's up with this comment", "Would this be a proper way to say X in a CV", "I'm so fed up with PHP/Singletons/VS/vim/emacs" and so on and so on
 
you're fed up with singletons? You don't say.
 
8 mins ago, by jalf
@sehe Ok, I have to ask. What the fuck are you talking about?
^ Pretty strong evidence
 
@sehe Note the "at that point" part. I didn't ask you anything when you gave me your cute little "ok, I have to ask" thing
 
9:38 AM
@jalf Well, blimey. I didn't say you asked "at that point", did I. I'm ending this.
 
@TonyTheLion std::string rand_topic(){ return "sex"; }
 
Can we start over? I asked @TonyTheLion a question, and your point about this was what, exactly?
 
oh good
@thecoshman that's the best random function ever! :P
 
@TonyTheLion Except it doesn't compile.
 
Or you could just admit that "oh, I thought you were being sarcastic so I delivered a sarcastic comment in your direction too. I guess I misunderstood, that's fine, no harm done".
 
9:39 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes who cares about that, except the compiler :P
 
@jalf I thought it was funny of you to ask a random thing about random things (that are both common practice here). IOW: we're all chilling and sharing situations/happenings fulltime in this lounge. Comments are just... a case of such happenings
 
@TonyTheLion I think it hurts the funny. :(
 
@jalf Ok, some wit was intended. Sarcasm is not how I intended it.
8 mins ago, by sehe
@jalf No sarcasm intended
 
somehow I think you've both made your points and yet are refusing to understand each other's view.
 
@sehe Wit, sarcasm, humour, whatever
 
9:40 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes what will fix it for you, I'd hate for you to miss out on giggles
 
@thecoshman lol
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes no for reals, hurry! to late :(
 
@jalf Then, I delivered a witty comment, in your direction, no harm intended :)
 
@thecoshman it should be std::string("sex"); cause the conversion don't work like this
 
But I didn't ask "a random thing about random things". It was a genuine question about a pattern I've noticed quite consistently in this room, and I wondered if there was some protocol or etiquette attached to it. Some reason why it was done, or something we were expected to do in response. That was all, really. :)
 
9:41 AM
const char[] doesn't implicitly convert to std::string
 
@sehe Fair enough then. :)
 
@TonyTheLion (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
it should god damn it!
 
Phew. Nobody died :)
 
well, it's c++ remember
 
@TonyTheLion oh of course :P
 
9:42 AM
@sehe yet.
you're a polar bear, and you just attacked a penguin. I think you're doing something fairly natural. :P
 
@jalf I'm sorry. I have a tendency to post cryptic stuff at times. This must have been one of those times. If I pick a fight, you'll notice :)
@TonyTheLion Mmm. Don't know how you guys worked out that was an attack, but see obve message ^
 
@TonyTheLion something equatorial I would presume... though I don't think Jalf is an emperor
so somewhere north of the equator...
 
There is only one way to solve this dispute: fight to the death in the arena.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes we have an arena?
 
@sehe I was making a joke wrt your guys gravatars. Jeez, don't be so serious
 
9:44 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes can you solve a dispute in any other way?
 
@thecoshman room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: We don't have an arena. [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq]
 
@thecoshman you're in it
@R.MartinhoFernandes lies!
 
@TonyTheLion I'm. Always. Serious.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes shared memory arena's count?
 
9:45 AM
oh
let's clarify something, what breed of penguin are you @jalf?
very important information. :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes hmmm... perhaps we need one... some sort of alt chat room where we can move messages when people start to get into bitch fights
 
Onebox fail here...
 
@TonyTheLion Indeed! @Jal you must tell!
 
@thecoshman That's actually a nice idea
 
@sehe ¬_¬ sarcasm?
 
9:48 AM
@thecoshman Were you sarcastic?
 
-1
A: Array not Working

johnCrystal ball not working at the moment, so I can't see your error. But maybe static const int size = 2;

 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I wasn't sarcastic, but I was not seriously suggesting it
 
Nope
@thecoshman Well, there are times where I'd consider using it. Normally, sandbox/bin is the destination of choice, but a more descriptive name would make it more clear /why/ something was getting moved.
 
@LuchianGrigore Erm.
That page is full of fail.
 
:5852458 Do they? C++2x is still considering them
 
9:50 AM
Just managed to fix it. the error was that it must have a pointer-to-object type. I was passing in score and then setting it as an array. Thanks. — user1758885 10 mins ago
 
I know
 
WTF does that even mean.
 
It means that....
uhhhh...
 
@LuchianGrigore LOL
 
9:54 AM
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Q: c++ user defined type lifetime

AlexDanI want to know what is the process of creating an object of user defined type. Example class A{ int a; void f(); int b; A()/*initializatio list*/{} }; int main(){ A ob; } 1) I want to know at what time the object get allocated, and at what time the constructor of A will get called. 2) when...

this is a terrible question ^
OP has obviously not read even the simplest of books
please nuke
 
Nuking is a bit harsh.
2
 
well, feel free to answer it
 
@thecoshman the kind you get when you ask a friend "please draw me a penguin"
 
@jalf throw back in their face
 
9:59 AM
> Killing the invaders doesn't work in C++
lol
 
There are over 500 seeds and over 2500 leeches in this swarm, yet I'm getting a blazing rate of 0.5kB/s.
 
what?
 
What what?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes context please?
 
BitTorrent.
 
10:05 AM
ah ok
 
Sucky Internets are sucky.
 
@TonyTheLion what over context could this be? or do you really think The robot has taken up farming and has a problem with leeches?
 
Good lord, it must takes years to get the review badges
 
 
10:10 AM
@thecoshman I have no idea about BitTorrent. So to me that statement was rather confusing.
 
^ dat database request
 
@TonyTheLion really? I've never flown a rocket, but I understand the basic science involved
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes be aware that the movie/music industry has a history of posting fake content (and logging who access)
 
@thecoshman Well I'm sorry that I'm not familiar with BitTorrent terminology. I didn't think it was expected of me to know about everything under the sun, moon and stars
 
@TonyTheLion how very dare you not know everything ever! you have no excuse
 
10:12 AM
@Cheersandhth.-Alf I have no idea how that's relevant to my crappy network connection.
 
they don't want to actually serve you complete files
at one point silly norwegian lawyer firm uploaded lara croft movie from me
 
> an object of user defined type.
argh
 
and sent threatening letter to my ISP
 
(Also, why you are assuming I'm downloading movies?)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes (torrenting, come on now, we're not ISPs, you can be honest)
 
10:14 AM
my ISP sent me a mail about it, telling me that they always ignored such requests
 
@thecoshman What if it was a game?
 
@kbok Beautiful, like canyons
 
i knew it was the lawyer firm because of low speed and extreme persistence (when I cut them off they came back always)
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf ¬_¬ any jobs going around your area?
@R.MartinhoFernandes fish pie!
 
if you're thinking for me, no i'm recuperating from surgery
 
10:15 AM
And FTR, I'm constantly downloading and seeding Linux distros by torrent.
 
but mostly it's remaining stuff that has me down, i'll get that also removed but this takes time
 
You had surgery?
 
@thecoshman Meh - could be pron or copyrighted music, but with 500 seeds and over 2500 leeches, you're probably right - it's the latest episode of some TV show or a dodgy CAM of a new movie <g>
 
What kind, if I may ask?
 
cut off a large swath of skin and underlying stuff
it takes time to grow back
 
10:16 AM
ohhh
 
not like the ordinary surgery wound where they just sew it together
 
hi all
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf oooh, mind telling why? sounds really odd
@MartinJames people still make cams of movies?
 
u now, talking about such u sound as old as i am... ;-)
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf huh?
 
10:18 AM
@MartinJames Nope, it's years old.
 
old people talk about ills and ailments
 
@thecoshman Sure. Not every new movie is leaked in digital form before it's released to cinemas.
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf yeah, but this sounds (relatively) gorry... wait, it wasn't 'roids was it?
I don't yo hear about hemoroid (piles aka, shitting your intestines out a litle bit) surgery
 
@thecoshman Droids?
 
10:21 AM
@MartinJames piles, don't google, I saw it will scar you
 
@thecoshman no. but rest assured that i'm not steering clear of that stuff either. :( bad genes i believe
 
I have a friend who is going to Mountain View for a Summer of Code event.
 
they say that they have very nice burgers
 
@thecoshman I think so, and I'm sticking with it!
 
10:24 AM
I told him to not break Google yet :) (he works in IT sec)
meh Google burgers
We have the finest burgers in all of France :)
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf piles is genetic? :O
 
Oh the fat. No doubt it's american, lol
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf WTFis that.
 
"I've seen other instances in which a Krispy Kreme is used as a bun for a burger. However, never before have I seen one that is also piled high with bacon and cheese. It seems so wrong that in its deviance, it becomes right once again."
 
10:27 AM
fuck sake, can't get remotely comfortable
I need to get my self a decent KB that I like
 
KB ?
 
Keyboard
 
If I were you I'd get a terabyte instead.
 
You're doing it again! Stop it already! Last night I went to McDonalds, for no other reason than you lot posting about takeaways etc.
 
That's cheap enough, no ?
 
10:28 AM
price would be no issue, something that will last for a long time
but I would have to buy a pair, a work one and a home one. because fuck being different
 
Laptop or Desktop style ?
 
which probably means a gaming keyboard... which probably means about £100 ...
@kbok I currently use the laptop KB at work, as the one they provide is so bad
 
I mean, which ones do you prefer ?
 
Woah, they provide a keyboard that's worse than a laptop's keyboard?
 
Also, who needs gaming keyboards, seriously
 
10:30 AM
Because laptop keyboards are designed to be worst possible.
 
@kbok by that I mean, one with proper keys and the likes
 
What does "proper keys" mean?
 
Yeah, I mean the touch styles.
 
@thecoshman Eww! It must be bad if you perfer a laptop KB! I have to operate my Eee with fingertips or a pencil:(
 
All of them.
 
10:31 AM
afaik a keyboard is a keyboard, and as long as you can type without hurting your fingers, it suits me
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes not the squidgy little feckers that you get on laptops or Apple style crap
 
on screen keyboards for touchscreens are the worst
 
"Apple style crap"?
 
you can't touchtype on a iPad keyboard
 
@TonyTheLion mostly because they offer no tactile feedback
 
10:32 AM
@thecoshman yes
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you know what a modern apple keyboard looks like right
 
oh look the puppy is online
 
@thecoshman No.
 
Google awaits your query.
 
I have an 'IBM-style' keyboard with nice, clicky keys. Had same one for a decade. Get through more mice than KB.
 
10:34 AM
Like this?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah, sucks ass
 
UGH!
 
My laptop's is like that.
 
it's basically a laptop keyboard but with out the laptop
 
I don't see what the issue is.
 
10:34 AM
^ mine
 
@kbok That's more like it.
 
just an ordinary keyboard
 
I prefer having 'old fashioned' keys
 
@thecoshman Are you referring to the style of the keys, or to their disposition?
 
what I hate more is people that type like they're fighting a war.
 
10:35 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes style
 
The media control part, especially the level controller, is awesome.
 
so hard and loud
 
@TonyTheLion lol, I know what you mean
 
<insert strongly typed language joke here>
 
lol
dat pun.
 
10:36 AM
he he he
 
@thecoshman Oh well. I have no qualm with them. And I think I'm rather picky with keyboards. When I went out to buy a laptop, the keyboard was my second most important criterion.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes How does it work for you? It doesn't feel too nice when I try one, but I don't have a laptop with such keys, so I'd have to try it... I would hate to find out after the fact that indeed it sucked for coding
 
@thecoshman Me too, though I do have a small, crappy robot-style KB as well for use with my laptop where there little space.
 
I don't like the touch of apple keyboards.
But laptops are fine (big ones)
 
@sehe I don't have a reason to complain. I only have one little gripe with it, but it's related to the placement of the keys.
 
10:38 AM
@kbok The problem with Apple keyboards is that they are plugged into Macs.
 
I also find this work chair uncomfortable, but I think that is down to the keyboard set up... or lack off
 
Buy a new ass.
 
Am I the only one who thinks putty is butt ugly ?
 
What do you mean butt ugly? It's a terminal emulator.
Looks like this.
The arrow keys are a bit cramped :(
 
10:42 AM
> Athens must cut $17 billion from its budget in order to receive the next $41 billon tranche of bailout money it needs to keep from defaulting.
wtf
41 billion
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes upper back
 
jeez, they talk about that money like it means nothing
 
@kbok you are probably the only one to think it matters
 
It's so ugly it hurts my eyes
 
@TonyTheLion you talk about money like it means something
 
10:43 AM
It's a terminal emulator!
 
@thecoshman oh I didn't realize it had come to mean nothing.
 
@kbok what the hell are you expecting? it's a fucking consol
@TonyTheLion very nearly
 
if it means nothing then why am I making so little that I can't even afford a Lambo at the end of each month?
 
What's a Lambo?
 
10:45 AM
Oh.
 
@TonyTheLion I don't know what is going to happen. Greece is circling the drain finanically, Spain/Portugal not much better off. Europe seems mostly stuft:(
 
@TonyTheLion you mean even less?
 
@thecoshman what?
@MartinJames yea, pretty much. Politicians fucked it up again
we've heard that story
 
@MartinJames the US isn't exactly in top shape either, which doesn't help
 
10:46 AM
China is the future :P
 
nothing about my desk is right (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
China's growth has slowed dramatically, they're not immune either. :)
 
Good things the Germans are paying all these countries' debt. :)
 
@thecoshman flip that thing
 
@TonyTheLion ..except that their markets are going bust.
 
10:47 AM
@TonyTheLion Shouldn't democracy be the power of the people? Why isn't responsibility of the people too?
 
fuckit! I'm strolling
 
@kbok I'll be happy for now if the Germans just pay me. Must issue another invoice today.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it is. Someone elected the politicians, and someone voted for the politicians who promised the most goodies here and now, at the cost of a wrecked economy tomorrow. :)
 
@MartinJames Pay you? I don't even know you :p
 
The problem is that "the people" generally choose the wrong people to run their country
politicians are never chosen by their production record, but mostly through the bullshit they manage to convince people they will accomplish.
Look at the US presidential elections
 
10:49 AM
@jalf Yeah - which is why they are poring more water into the sink where Greece is about to get flushed, hoping it lasts long enough to get the opposition party elected.
@melak47 Heh! OK, not Germans in general, just a subset:)
In Europe, at the moment, it's a very good time to get voted out of office:(
 
Voted?
I highly doubt our current government will survive until the next elections.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ....you're up to something. robot uprising scheduled soon?
 
lol
There's an organized protest every other weekend now.
 
the problem is that we have an incompetent feudalistic society, which pretends to be democratic
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes funny we don't here about that on the news, it seems.
 
10:59 AM
if you look at the electoral history of the UK, it's practically unheard of for an actual common man to be Prime Minister- they're all born into large amounts of money
 
@DeadMG sounds about right. Probably for most countries, to be honest
 
yeah, I figure
 

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