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9:20 AM
and the total is over 4500 since I left on Friday
morning :D
 
9:31 AM
@thecoshman you mean, messages posted on Lounge<c++>?
 
I'm no goth, but this is pretty cool:
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@Potatoswatter ahem. Good morning too you too, I guess :)
 
Gday. I figured someone here might have just finished with TVTropes.
 
@sehe yeah
fair few if you ask me
 
could be less :)
 
9:35 AM
sbi has made a change to the feeds posted into this room
 
@sbi what was added? or removed?
 
sbi
@sehe I meant to add Koenig's column in Dr Dobb's, but only now found I added an URL for all of their cpp stuff. I'm not sure I want that.
 
hehe
 
sbi has made a change to the feeds posted into this room
 
cheers
 
sbi
9:38 AM
Now it's only Andy, I think.
Mhmm. I first added it as a ticker feed (slide-down at the top of the window), because adding a new feed had sometimes flooded the room with messages from the Feeds guy about all the articles posted in the last 5 years, but it seems this feed isn't flooding us. I will change it to be posted as messages soon.
 
sbi has made a change to the feeds posted into this room
 
sbi
Ah, now they all came in. Took a while.
 
sbi has made a change to the feeds posted into this room
 
Is that a one-time message, or is there a way to bring it back?
 
sbi
@Szabolcs That referring to what?
 
9:47 AM
The New feed items message that appeared a few minutes ago @sbi
 
sbi
@Szabolcs As I said, I had added a new Feed to Andy Koenig's rumblings at Dr Dobb's. When you do this, this site likes to dump the last X items in the feed into the chat, which is why I first set it up as a ticker feed (slide-down window at the top), so it disrupts less. I have now changed it to post the next ones as messages.
Anyway, when you dismissed that slide-down, it won't come back until it has new stuff to show.
 
Ah, I see
thanks!
 
sbi
I have also added a ticker feed (slide-down) for this tag set at Stackexchange, which currently features all questions , , and across all SE sites. We used to have this until about a year ago, but then someone must have removed it. I'd like to try it again. If that gets too much, we can always revert and kill it again.
@Szabolcs It was this feed, if you want to have a closers look. (My FF shows feeds quite human-readable, I dunno about others.)
 
cpx
10:08 AM
oh a new feeds notification bar.
 
I'm no see keen on that dam feeds bar... especially when it fills up the screen so quick
 
Kerberos, you make my head asplode
 
@RMartinhoFernandes not sure what this means... is it "even thecoshman needed help with openGL, so don't feel bad about" or "lol, thecoshman needed help with openGL" :P
 
@sbi stipid Q what is the differnces between c++0x and c++11, and what should I try to use of new development?
 
@user800454 C++0x was the codename/nickname used to refer to it while it was evolving and during standardization
 
10:19 AM
or anyone else knows this?
 
C++11 is the name of the resulting standard
 
@jalf thank you that was helpful
 
sbi
@thecoshman Logged as one vote against this feed.
 
Took up a third of the screen before, when I logged in
not a fan of it so far
but then again I hardly ever use this feed in the first place
ack, it keeps coming back too? Now I definitely don't like it :)
 
sbi
@jalf It pops up whenever new questions appear.
Anyway, that makes two against.
 
10:22 AM
likelyhood of me reading the feed is small...
 
I vote pro.
 
@sbi oooh, voting power :D I like the idea of the feed, but it gets in the way of why I am here, chat! If I want RSS I will use my own RSS reader
perhaps people should just suggest RSS feeds that might be nice to subscribe to, perhaps really good ones could be added to some sort of wiki page, like the newbie hints
 
ok, how the hell can adding a myint++ to a function X, cause a totally unrelated function Y to crash at runtime. When I remove the code, it doesn't crash anymore
 
Oh look, nobody upvote me anymore:
sehe, Netherlands
41.3k 4 20 51
 
10:26 AM
I'm a 1337 hax0r
 
@TonyTheLion that does sound as if you have another problem as well in your code
 
sbi
@thecoshman Well, most of us are at SO to answer questions (harvest rep, actually, but "answering questions" sounds nicer), so I think it does make more sense to have C++ questions pop up in the C++ chat room. I won't try to push this against the will of the majority of the regulars here, but I'd ask to try this for a day or two.
 
Darn the rep is abbreviated in the one-box. And my phone doesn't let me do screenshots (AFAIK)
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion This could be one result of UB invoked elsewhere in your code.
 
10:29 AM
Hi all ..:)
 
@sbi oh damn
 
sbi
@sehe Well, this links to your rep tab. I see no significant change in the last few days.
@TonyTheLion You might want to try to boil this down to a minimal repro case. Either you find the problem that way or you end up with something to post a question about.
 
I've just pasted the relevant bits with comments here
 
Every one seems busy :)
 
I don't even know how the heck I should reproduce that...
 
10:40 AM
@sbi it's a shame individual users can't silence individual feeds, I like having the odd good article pop up. If you want to try it for a few days, that's cool; for a few days ¬_¬
 
@sbi Recall that I'm taking a prolonged break from SO - any rep gained is basically accidental/incidental over the last month
 
why you taking a break from SO?
 
@sbi I was referring to the actual rep number (1337!)
@TonyTheLion my phone/dexterity do not allow me to properly explain that at this moment :)
 
@TonyTheLion the long route is some validations on your boundories, like as in a memory lean checker
leak
 
@user800454 you know you can 'target' which message you are responding to; it's handy so that what you say does not look like mad ramblings
 
cpx
10:44 AM
Can I turn off the feeds? I have no need of it :s
 
@TonyTheLion test ..
@thecoshman Thank you!
@TonyTheLion I need a main that calls this code.
 
cpx
Or maybe i should just leave that notification unnoticed..
 
@user800454 no problem.
 
@sbi but not enough sense to justify blocking out the chat in the chat room IMO
if you can fit it into the lower right, below the starred lines, I have no problem with it
 
@jalf you can easily get that effect (and superior) by hitting the 'dismiss' button.
@sbi #feeds I actually think I like it, one less tab to monitor. I'll see how often I need to 'dismiss' that and whether it'll become a bore.
 
10:57 AM
@sehe every 5 seconds? I don't think so
 
@thecoshman In the last 1:15', none
 
cpx
I would have no problem if the feeds would update in that same notification bar.
so i don't have click dismiss
 
I'm giving it a chance, and anyways, it is good to stay rational: one in 5 seconds is not true (unless you have a broken browser, perhaps?)
 
@sehe well, I may have exaggerated, but it is fairly often
 
at least 3 minutes now. And I had been away for about 40 minutes, there were only 8 questions in the box. I thought it was quite lovely - I could pick the single Q that interested me, and dismiss the box
Now, I found a chance to illustrate my point, afk for a while now
 
Xeo
11:10 AM
Ugh, it would be nice if one could turn off the feed Window just for yourself.
 
cpx
@Xeo 1+..........
 
Xeo
Anyone willing to provide the last reopen vote?
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11:27 AM
hmm; am I being a bit slow today, or does MS Outlook not provide a way to make a bit of text a hyperlink?
 
@sehe yes, right until the next feed appears
@sehe 8 questions/40 minutes = 1 the bar appearing every 5 minutes on average. That's too much
 
@jalf so at least I had the right number, just the wrong units :D
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seriously?
 
12:14 PM
morning
 
Xeo
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Lawl, the latest requirement
> without using malloc and calloc functions
 
hmmm
interesting
 
ok, I think I know what bugs me the most about the bar. For those of us who don't stare at the chat non-stop, every time you tab back to the chat, the bar is there again, blocking the top N messages
 
Xeo
12:48 PM
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Recruiting close voters!
 
@Xeo wish I could vote close ¬_¬
 
Xeo
Oh wait, he specifies C.. hm...
 
sbi
@jalf Well. So far I have seen (I think) two votes against it and one (+mine) in favor. ICBWT.
 
I'm against having more feeds rather than less
if I want to view C++ questions, I'll open up another tab and search for them or just view the front page
there's no need to duplicate that information here
 
@sbi how much freedom do you have to customize it? Is it just something yuo can toggle on/off?
 
12:57 PM
for now, I'm starting to agree, since most of the questions that did get listed are exceptionally 'meh' in my opinion. I'd do rather better with my own tags-based filter on the SO homepage
 
if you can reposition it, it'll be much less infuriating
 
On/off I guess. I'm guessing you need to specify the tag filter, and you'll just get all the new questions posted for that tag
@jalf Reposition it onto another tab. Hehe
 
sbi
@DeadMG That is really hard to parse correctly.
@jalf It can be customized as a ticker or as inlined messages. Nothing else.
 
I think inlined messages might be less annoying
 
@sbi Try this: feeds = bad
 
sbi
1:12 PM
@thecoshman Yeah, I thought so, too, once. After me whining often enough, the others gave in and let me try it. I had to take it back after like one hour. The volume was so high, this dominated the chat. The others were visibly relieved.
 
@sbi well then I think it might just be time to get rid of the feed. It seems that it only serves to save you from needing a separate tab open to see new questions
 
@sbi doen't that just mean we have too many tags hooked up to the feed?
if the purpose of the ticker, which blocks out the chat, is to avoid inline messages, which block out the chat, then it seems like the root problem is that we just have too much content being shown through the feed?
 
sbi
@jalf No. I think when I tried it was just the SO C++ tag. That's by far enough to take over the room.
 
Then perhaps the C++ tag should not be in the feed
 
sbi has stopped a feed from being posted into this room
 
1:15 PM
Well, scratch the "perhaps"
 
sbi
Sigh. I wish you had waited a day or two, to give yourself a chance get used to it.
 
Popular tags like C++ should not be in the feed
@sbi I don't want to get used to having to actively click 'dismiss' every time I visit the chat
 
sbi
53 secs ago, by Feeds
sbi has stopped a feed from being posted into this room
 
@sbi I don't hospitals would get away with that via. "come on, just give it a few days and see if you can get used to having a broken leg"
 
To be honest, the only feed I can see the point in having this room subscribed to is the C++faq one, because that's you guys' pet project, and it makes sense to want to stay on top of it
Perhaps it's just me, but if I want to monitor C++ questions on SO, I visit SO. And I use Firefox's live bookmarks to keep up with blogs, and I'm sure others have their preferred feed readers
but that's just grumpy old me
 
1:19 PM
@jalf live book marks? is that basically an RSS reader that just bookmarks new items for you?
 
@thecoshman kind of. Firefox lets you bookmark RSS feeds. Then they'll appear as a folder, and when you click it, it drops down a list of the recently posted items
 
@jalf oh I see. I prefer using Google reader
 
I like it as a kind of passive RSS reader. I'd never get anything done if everything was actively pushed to me every time anyone on the internet writes anything
 
I wasn't keen on FF's built in RSS system back when I used FF
 
but with this, I can easily scan the ones I care about when I want to, and otherwise let them go unnoticed
 
1:24 PM
@thecoshman Second that. I used to use Opera's feed reader, but then it became a bore when I got actively following so many feeds that I had to 'mark as read' the same posts on all PC's I was using them on.
Google Reader it is, suits my phone too
 
And it's probably the same they had back then. They've had it for ages, with only very minor changes
 
@jalf huh Google Reader doesn't push anything to you. You still have to go to Reader, click on the feed and, surprise, it will 'a list of the recently posted items' - sound familiar?
 
@sehe yes, but it's something you've got displayed in the background, so you keep tabbing out to check it
 
@jalf Who, FF or GR?
 
and then it shows you everything
With firefox, I only check the feed for a specific site at a time
To me it's basically about limiting how much I see
I'm not arguing that everyone should switch to FF live bookmarks
just explaining why I prefer it for my needs
@sehe FF, I meant. It hasn't changed noticeably since FF 2 or something
 
1:29 PM
 
Notice my GR Tab?
Thought so :) Also, the tab itself looks [like this](http://downloads.sehe.nl/stackoverflow/Screenshot-GoogleReader.png). The big WIN factor is seamless integration in my Phone and all PC's I work on
(minor markdown fail accepted)
@jalf in other news, drdobbs, as always, taking ~2 minutes to display even the first bit of that page - not kidding. Ugh
 
sbi
@jalf Well, well, you just dug out the very item I started to tamper with the feeds this morning. I added Koenig's column to the list of feeds that are displayed inline here. (That got me thinking about adding the C++ tag, too, again.)
 
@sehe yeah, I've got this chat as an app tab as well
@sbi well, IMO, people can post links here if there's something they want to draw attention to. The signal/noise ratio is just too terrible when using automated feeds
except for special cases like the c++-faq feed
 
@jalf I don't like having this as a pinned tab as I like being able to see when there are new posts
 
1:37 PM
@thecoshman +1
 
@thecoshman it lights up when there are new posts :)
 
sbi
@jalf Oh, is it? So how come nobody every complained despite the fact that we have 9 active feeds? (Well, it were only 8 this morning, but that's still a lot.)
 
perhaps and extension to change the favicon when there are new posts
 
@sbi Note the "IMO" :)
 
@jalf it does :O
 
1:38 PM
Also that the existing feeds are very low-volume. It's not really a big deal when a link to a cpp-next post appears, because it happens at most twice per month
 
sbi
@jalf Well, you hadn't complained before either.
@jalf See, so the signal/noise ration strongly depends on which feeds are setup.
 
because (1) it hasn't been brought up before, and (2) until now, it's only been a very minor nuisance
@sbi That, and on the volume
A post every 5 minutes (as when hooking up the C++ tag) generates more noise than one which posts once per month
even if the majority of posts are relevant
 
sbi
@jalf Yeah, that is implied as a strong criterion for which feed we want and which not.
 
but don't we all have our own feed readers?
Who really benefits from having a common one built into this chat?
 
@jalf that we do
 
sbi
1:41 PM
@jalf See, now we're talking about which feeds we subscribe to, not whether we subscribe to any at all. :)
 
@sbi kind of. I'm pointing out that a high-quality, low-volume feed is only a very slight annoyance.
But it's still a negative factor that I'd rather be without
because I already subscribe to the feeds that I care about
 
@jalf it is more the volume of posts rather then the ratio. One post a month that it is shit is no where near as annoying then a post ever 5 minutes that sucks just 10% of the time
 
so I see no reason for having a set of common feeds that everyone in this chat must see
except for posts that everyone in this chat must see, because they're tied very closely to the chat
 
@jalf this is the main reason to not have feeds I would say
 
such as C++-faq questions
 
Xeo
1:42 PM
@jalf I don't :(
 
(which, admittedly, I don't care about, but I realize they're dear to this room as a whole)
 
@Xeo how?
 
I just don't see the purpose. It's like putting a TV in a bus instead of in people's living rooms. Sure, if you pick the right channels to show, you'll annoy a minimum of people, but everyone are better served by having a TV in their own living room which they control
 
Xeo
I don't have my own feed reader. Or atleast I didn't subscribe to anything
 
sbi
@jalf This chat is for discussions about sex, drugs, rok'n'roll, and, sometimes, C++. So the people here bring up links to interesting topics to discuss about. I find it convenient when we are all informed automatically when interesting new C++ article pop up on the web.
 
1:44 PM
@Xeo then you are either missing out on a lot of the internet, or having to work hard to get what you want to read
 
@sbi but why? Either (1) it is worth discussing, in which case a link will be posted anyway. Or (2) it is not obviously worth discussing, or no one has time to discuss it, in which case it is just noise, taking up space and cluttering the place
If I want to discuss a C++ article, I drop a link, I don't say "so, about this article posted by the feeds thing 15 minutes ago..."
 
Dam you @jalf your making too many good points! I am getting tired or staring you ¬_¬
 
sbi
@jalf IMO all of Sutter's & Koenig's ramblings are worth discussing, but only few are brought up here by users.
@thecoshman And I am getting tired of you starring him all day. Hopefully you'll run out of stars real soon now.
 
@sbi And why do you think that is? If people don't intend to discuss them, then why would it make a difference that the feeds bot posts them here?
 
@sbi :O that can happen?
 
1:47 PM
If only a few are brought up, it might be because the room isn't interested in discussing more than a few
if you feel they're worth discussing, drop us a link
 
sbi
@jalf Because either people overlook them or they don't think of bringing them here. (Do I really have to tell you that??)
 
@sbi I also find it convenient. I don't, however, qualify SO questions as an interesting new article.
 
sbi
@thecoshman You might want to finally bite the bullet and read the newbie hints.
 
@sbi again, if people don't think of bringing them up, is it really worth discussing?
 
@sbi lol, read the newbie hints
 
1:48 PM
when I see something worth discussing, I link to it. I assume you'd do the same. If neither of us do that, it must be because neither of us intend to discuss it
 
@sbi if they don't think it is worth brining them here, then what is the point in thrusting them here?
 
and then I don't see the advantage to it being posted here
 
sbi
@jalf I just said so, didn't I. Now you are really getting annoyingly rhetorical.
 
@jalf That's not strictly true. I don't actively search out C++ articles because I'm too busy doing my own thing, but I would happily discuss them.
 
@sbi you said "they don't think of bringing them up", which, to me, implies that discussing it can't be on top of their mind
 
1:50 PM
@DeadMG but if you saw an article, you would post it here if you thought it worth discussing
 
sbi
@thecoshman I am getting tired of this. Please read my message again. I did not write that people do not consider them worth to be discussed. That was your (mis)interpretation.
 
@DeadMG but if the article is interesting, I'd assume that one of us links to it. For most interesting C++ articles, they're linked several times by different people at different times
 
@thecoshman That's completely true. I just don't see them unless they're posted here.
@jalf That is entirely true, I'd expect an interesting new article to be linked by a fellow room member.
 
sbi
@jalf Didn't I just say that this, in practice, does not happen? What's wrong with your reading/comprehension modules today?
 
@sbi you wrote that they didn't think to post them. How can you think something is worth discussing here, without thinking to post it?
 
1:51 PM
@sbi even though I thought I lliked the idea of notifications, I must conclude I don't think they added a lot of value - it is easier to weed out the relevant items on SO.
 
@sbi I think it does happen
 
@sbi you seem to be putting forth the argument that people are not capable of posting a link here on there own; and that if a link is automatically posted here, people will discus it. We are saying that if people really want to discus something or think it worth sharing they will post it here them selves.
 
sbi
@sehe We're not discussing the SE feeds anymore. I have removed them and that was it. We're talking of the other 9 low-volume, inline feeds currently set up.
 
@sbi Actually, I think what would be nicest is this: a flag/icon/counter that appears how many new, unviewed questions there are. However, it would be best if that wasn't a chat-related feature. More like, and inbox-related thingie, so users can set-up their own filters.
A chatroom might, however, suggest a tags filter that suits the chat room's topics
 
actually, I agree with @sbi on this one
 
1:53 PM
@sbi and just to be clear, I can live with those. But since you just pointed out that I'd never objected before, I want to make my position clear that none of the feeds add any value for me, and they're all nuisances, just to a greater or smaller degree
I wonder, can you put the feed user on your ignore list?
 
I have the capacity to play World of Warcraft and read an article at the same time, but not discuss it, because that requires changing keyboard focus
 
take XKCD for example, a lot of them get posted here, but there is not a feed set up, because a not all of them are relevant. A feed would result in a high level of noise
 
Oh I love the RSS feeds one-boxy thingies. Always have. No high-traffic feeds, no problem
 
sbi
@jalf I will stop discussing this with you right here. You are getting way to rhetorical and almost violent in defending your opinion.
 
@DeadMG and discussing it doesn't require changing keyboard focus? ;)
 
1:54 PM
@jalf I mean that discussing it does and reading it doesn't :P
 
@sbi Huh? Isn't it the other way around?
 
sbi
@thecoshman No. Please read again. I did not say people are not capable of posting links here.
 
I don't see anything violent or aggressive in pointing out that "when people want to discuss something, they'll post it here, and if they don't post it, they can't be very interested in discussing it". But it seems an extremely sensitive topic to you
@DeadMG but you don't need the chat to read it. Don't you have your own feed reader set up?
 
no
 
@jalf this is the essence of my view as well
 
1:55 PM
nor do I subscribe to any RSS feeds
 
presumably, the point of posting a link here is to enable discussion. For private reading material, we can all have our own custom-tailored readers showing exactly what we're interested in
 
sbi
@jalf No, it's not. And I'm fine with continuing to discuss it with others.
 
@DeadMG maybe you should, if you actually depend on them providing interesting reading material
 
@DeadMG you really should bud
 
I don't, really
I make enough of my own things to think about
 
1:57 PM
@sbi Well, I'm not the one bursting with anger right now. Cool down a bit, will you? It's not the end of the world
 
@DeadMG do you not have any sites that you frequently go to read all the articles?
 
@jalf I don't think that either of you are.
@thecoshman Not really. Only The Daily WTF and XKCD, realistically.
 
I don't understand what we're getting so upset about
 
Just to annoy you with Opera's spiffy tabs thingies:
Not really on-topic. But still nice
 
@sehe because what teh world really needs is a tab bar taking up 20% of the screen, with room for about 8 tabs
 
1:58 PM
@jalf The two of you both seem to think the other is getting more agitated then they really are
@sehe he he he 'spiffy'
 
@thecoshman I agree, I don't see any significant agitation
 
sbi
@jalf I'm sharing this room with two cow-workers and none of these are even aware I am not working. So it's not likely that I am even agitated, let alone angry. In fact, I said I'd stop discussing with you the moment I felt I started to get angry, in order to prevent that.
 
@thecoshman Maybe so. Well, for the record, I'm not at all agitated.
 
see what I mean?
 
@sbi but you also just said that you'd stop discussing with me, didn't you? ;)
 
1:59 PM
no, he just said he was fine to keep discussing it
 
sbi
@jalf "...I said I'd stop discussing with you..."
 
3 mins ago, by sbi
@jalf No, it's not. And I'm fine with continuing to discuss it with others.
 

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