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12:20 AM
Oooh... maybe I've been stupid -- maybe I've had the debug libraries all along, but I was missing the source code!
When I launch the program in the debugger, I do indeed get source filenames, but lots of "file not found" errors
So I also need the libc sources in order to step through them
D'oh!!
 
12:47 AM
Anyone around who writes Haskell?
 
Hey.
@robjb I do.
 
Disclaimer: I'm very bad at this functional programming thing, and still learning Haskell syntax. :)
Oops, that didn't work
 
Btw, there's an Haskell room :)
 
I know, but it's always so dead :(
I think I understand why I get a parse error here, but not sure how to fix: pastebin.com/GBxdK5Jw
 
It comes to life as needed.
 
12:53 AM
Why are you taking a triple as a parameter?
 
if expr
then
   expr
else
   expr
Possibly with then/else indented, too.
Why are you using if anyway.
 
Also, why are you using do? Is this a monadic computation?
 
else is definitely wrongly indented.
let and the other expression don't line up.
 
Haha, I knew there would be lots wrong with it :)
@RMartinhoFernandes No, I'm still making my way through the online book and haven't made it to monads yet, I saw that in a code sample (oops)
 
Also uncurried functions are ugly.
f a b c, not f (a, b, c).
 
12:56 AM
Alrighty
 
@robjb Ok, then don't use do or return.
That's monadic stuff.
 
I'm not sure how to do code reusability in Haskell, I'm taking a triple because I want to re-use the function with different parameters
 
If you want three parameters, take three parameters.
f :: a -> b -> c -> d instead of f :: (a, b, c) -> d.
 
Ohhh
 
From your comments, it seems you think let stores something. It doesn't.
 
1:00 AM
Yea... I just kind of dived into this today, I haven't made my way through much of the reading yet. what does it actually do?
 
It simply introduces local definitions.
And only what needs to be calculated shall be calculated.
If I say f a = let x = a / 0 in 2 * a, no error occurs.
 
Couldn't that if be replaced by pSum a1 a1 lim pattern?
 
The expression isn't evaluated / calculated at that point?
 
@robjb Nope. Haskell is lazy.
@CatPlusPlus Possibly. I haven't really looked at the logic :)
 
where > let!
 
1:03 AM
Shut up.
 
Hmmm
@RMartinhoFernandes Does Haskell have any expression or function memoization?
 
Sorry to be pelting you with 20 questions, lol. I'll head back to docs, thanks for your help. :)
 
@CatPlusPlus Oh, wait, no, you can't do pattern matching like that.
 
Huh.
Oh well.
Well, Erlang can do it.
1> {A, B, C, A} = {1, 2, 3, 4}.
** exception error: no match of right hand side value {1,2,3,4}
2> {A, B, C, A} = {1, 2, 3, 1}.
{1,2,3,1}
 
1:21 AM
Prolog can do that too.
 
>>> a,b,a = 1,2,1
>>> a,b,a = 1,2,2
>>> a,b
(2, 2)
>>> a,b,a = 1,2,1
>>> a,b
(1, 2)
>>>
^ ouch, python
 
It assigns sequentially.
But in functional languages it's pattern matching, not assignment.
 
1:47 AM
yes
@Mysticial which one does what?
 
Was it you that posted that Bertrand Meyer article about overloading recently?
 
no, i can't remember bertrand meyer ever saying anything about overloading
except the principle of uniform access?
 
Oh, it was Fred.
Nevermind.
 
he's heavy on that (or was). but i really dislike properties.
 
@AlfPSteinbach oh lol. Tagged C++ = burn, tagged Java = Gold badge...
 
1:51 AM
He goes on about how bad a C# feature that he decided to refer by a name no one else does, and it doesn't work as he thinks it does. That makes him look like a fool.
 
lemme read...
ok, i'm not sure what he's saying
but then he has always been very verbose. my students refused to use "Object Oriented Software Construction" because he didn't get to hello world until page 467 or something, anyway, several hundred pages before first working program!
i think betrand is like my mother
she can't ever get to the point, but has to explain everything in ever-diverging tree of digressions first
 
@AlfPSteinbach Yeah, he's very confusing. And he insists on using terminology no one else uses, which doesn't help at all.
I mean, who the heck says "Object Technology"?
 
Bertrand Meyer?
 
I thought he meant "Off Topic"
Still, what I found so very attractive of Eiffel was the DBC ideas
But later on I realized that DBC (Design By Contract) isn't as great as I thought, because there is so much that can't be practically expressed
And that includes not only inefficient expressions, but also the showstopper for DBC in C++
Namely drawing sharp line between public and internal, where for the internal constraints can be temporarily violated (and necessarily so), while not for the public
Maybe somone (e.g. Thorsten) will figure out how to do this cleanly
But I doubt it
 
2:06 AM
0
Q: Improvements on my Haskell solution of Project Euler problem #1?

robjbI'm trying to compare my own implementation with another solution of ProjectEuler problem #1, which uses a list comprehension: module Progression1 (sumProgressions) where import Prelude // Solve using a simple list comprehension sumProgressions :: Integer -> Integer -> Int...

 
@robjb Criterion is awesome!
Also the results do not look that similar.
The standard deviations are way different.
Wait, how can you get 167 outliers in 100 samples?
3
 
Yea, I wondered that myself
And I thought the same about the other results, which is why I specifically mentioned mean (hoping someone else might address the std deviation)
 
@robjb Oh, I missed the word "mean" somehow :S I'm used to seeing "average".
 
:p
 
@robjb Wanna time mine: hg.tumtumtree.me/euler/src/2a7cc3586315/haskell/1.hs? I didn't care for performance at all. And I still don't have a good feel for how the optimizer deals with stuff. It surprises me constantly.
 
2:15 AM
Interesting, looks nice
I think it would be difficult to get so concise with the formulas :(
 
I usually strive for nice-looking solutions on PE.
I only optimize when I need to wait for the solution.
 
heh, same here, except for problem 1. I wrote a O(1) algorithm. you could change 1000 to 1000000 without changing runtime.
 
Well my goal was to write the algebraic progression from the onset
It was slightly trickier to figure out than a list comprehension and modulus, at least as a learning exercise :)
 
I see that you have C-style comments in there. Are you sure you copy-pasted from working code? ;)
Oh, you fixed that already.
 
Yea, but that was find-replaced when the SO preview showed that Haskell comments didn't get code highlighted
Then on the actual page, it was the opposite :|
Having trouble installing pointfree o_O
 
2:25 AM
@robjb Oh, that's one of my modules hg.tumtumtree.me/pointfree/src
You could try with Ints instead of Integer. Integer is arbitrarily sized, but Int is not.
Might get you a speed improvement.
 
Yea, but that overflows with the large limits I was testing in benchmark
 
Oh, you're testing with values greater than 1000. Ok.
 
I will test with Ints and get back to you
But I have to jet, I have your code copied just need to test it... can be back within the hour though with results
 
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4:09 AM
Hmm, something tells me there's something wrong here
benchmarking solution1
collecting 100 samples, 1 iterations each, in estimated 10.00001 s
mean: -191.1768 ns, lb -191.1768 ns, ub -191.1768 ns, ci 0.950
std dev: 0.0 s, lb 0.0 s, ub 0.0 s, ci 0.950

benchmarking solution2
mean: 558.0103 ns, lb 533.0981 ns, ub 592.8873 ns, ci 0.950
std dev: 162.7214 ns, lb 127.7621 ns, ub 200.2958 ns, ci 0.950
found 178 outliers among 100 samples (178.0%)
78 (78.0%) low severe
100 (100.0%) high severe
variance introduced by outliers: 97.824%
variance is severely inflated by outliers
 
Wow, that's fast.
 
Not sure how an overflow in the calculation results in an overflow on the benchmark, but okay
Reducing limit from 1000000-1 to 100000-1 fixes it
 
Which one is which?
 
solution1 is list comprehension, solution2 is mine, solution3 is yours
Fixed benchmarks, yours is now the fastest ;)
 
Woot! Gotta love that optimizer!
And no weird 100+% outliers now.
I wonder what causes that.
 
4:16 AM
One thing I should consider, I didn't pass any arguments to yours
Not sure how much that affects it
 
What do you mean?
 
I seriously doubt parameter passing has any effect on benchmarks, but yours operates locally on [1..1000]
 
Are yours using Integers?
 
Yea I still am, shoot
Let me fix that and retest
 
Mine has no signatures, so the optimizer will likely pick the fastest type.
 
4:20 AM
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lol. Surprise badge - didn't know such a thing existed. I basically went through and changed all "x32" tags to "x86".
 
> unfortunatly, we are not in java... but boost (i dont like much) have aone line solution.
lol
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I should have looked at output, both yours and list comprehension overflow with Int
Let me reduce limit again
 
There we go, limit=10000 and results ["23331668","23331668","23331668"]
 
Ah, now it looks like they're all the same.
 
4:27 AM
Yea, I'm guessing most of the difference comes from performance of calculations on Integer?
 
Yes, because Integer is a bignum.
Int is a regular 32-bit integer.
 
Yep, thought so
One more test with Integer on all solutions, and limit increased back to 100000-1: pastebin.com/pqqr74fw
I must have left yours at Int and mine in Integer in that first comparison I showed
 
Looks like.
> testMatrix.cpp:41: error: ambiguous overload for ‘operator+’ in ‘Matrix<int>(2, 2, ((const int&)((const int*)(&3)))) + Matrix<int>(2, 2, ((const int&)((const int*)(&1))))’
GCC is awesome.
How the heck did it come up with ((const int&)((const int*)(&1)))?
 
I can't even really comprehend what that could even mean
something to a const int pointer to a const int reference
 
It's not valid.
You can't take the address of 1.
 
4:42 AM
wth is &1 supposed to be?
Oh.
 
It's just crazy.
 
Yep, I'd have to agree
 
It's temporary bound to const lvalue reference.
Or whatever literals produce.
It's GCC, what'd you expect.
 
@CatPlusPlus Er, it takes its address, then casts the pointer to a reference. That's not valid.
 
It's an error message representation. It's not in the code.
The code only has Matrix<int>(2, 2, 3).
 
4:46 AM
References-implemented-as-pointers leaking out.
 
But for some reason it left the 2s intact.
 
Because they're taken by value.
The last argument was const reference.
 
Oh, I missed that.
 
Yay, my CG assignment can draw blank colour buffer.
 
Sounds amazing.
 
5:03 AM
Like hell.
 
 
3 hours later…
7:39 AM
"Hey, don't use std::tr1::shared_ptr; do your own ref-counting! Oh, and while you're at it, you can also throw in a singleton."
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A: using std::tr1:shared_ptr as an internal mechanism for reference counting

GeoffroyIf you need just one reference counter for several objects, try to do your own ref counter. You're already using tr1, go further and uses std::atomic from C++11. class File { public: /* Constructors, methods and so on */ private: static void* data1; static void* data2; static std::at...

 
8:08 AM
i'm not sure of the ramifications of make_shared
but before that it was sometimes sound advice
because allocation is still an extremely expensive operation relative to basic operations in c++
so i think it's unfortunate that boost::intrusive_ptr did not make it into c++11
very nice little abstraction
 
8:29 AM
morning
I finely conceded and let chrome restart
 
sbi
8:49 AM
@Xeo Don't you dare!
 
@sbi I'm all for continuing conversation that people had to leave, but I think this is taking a bit too far dude :P
 
sbi
@thecoshman Shrug. I do have to sleep, you know.
 
@sbi I suppose
 
sbi
@DietmarKühl You weren't drunk in Berlin when we left the pub, so if you don't remember the trip, it must have been something else. And do not judge me by my avatar! :)
JFTR, @thecosh, I do need to leave now, so I'll cut this conversation short at this point, and if there are any replies, I will answer them later. I hope that's Ok with you. (If not, feel free to go to the Java/Haskell/C# room instead.)
 
9:02 AM
@sbi ¬_¬ JFTR <googling> what?
 
@thecoshman "Just for the record".
 
@RMartinhoFernandes ooooh, that makes a lot more sense. Google defined it as Joint Federation Travelling something or rather. I was very confused to say the least
 
starting to get rather fed up with head phones
@CatPlusPlus I probably should book mark that
 
Help! When I write A::template rebind<T>::other, GCC complains "error: need 'typename' before 'typename A::rebind<E>::other' because 'typename A::rebind<E>' is a dependent scope". But I can't use typename here, because it's the declaration of a base class.
This makes no fucking sense.
 
9:11 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes I think you may have broken it
 
Note to self: next time GCC "goes crazy", make sure you're looking at the right line.
 
that sounds like a rather stupid mistake to have been solved so quickley
 
@thecoshman Just needed one more typename. But I thought the error was on a line it really wasn't.
You can never have enough typenames.
2
 
it is like the error where you forgot to call your function. why isn't doing anything. oh.
^ This is very very Norwegian: meat balls/cakes, gravy, boiled potatoes, carrots, and for the gourmet, fried onion
 
9:20 AM
Sounds tasty.
 
Yes. Perhaps not suitable for breakfast though.
 
@AlfPSteinbach that seems like a very poor excuse to miss out on tasty breakfast
 
I think I'll bring a book and take the (free) bus to IKEA and have some Swedish meatballs
perhaps
:-)
IKEA is a privately held, international home products company that designs and sells ready-to-assemble furniture such as beds and desks, appliances and home accessories. The company is the world's largest furniture retailer. Founded in 1943 by 17-year-old Ingvar Kamprad in Sweden, the company is named as an acronym comprising the initials of the founder's name (Ingvar Kamprad), the farm where he grew up (Elmtaryd), and his home parish (Agunnaryd, in Småland, South Sweden). The firm is known for the attention it gives to cost control, operational details and continuous product developmen...
 
I believe we all know what IKEA is.
 
oh, sorry
 
9:25 AM
@AlfPSteinbach FYI IKEA are rather well known :P
@AlfPSteinbach huh... they seem to like offering free busses
 
Gets them customers.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes customers who like to buy the cheap food :P
wait! did you guys read that, PRIVATELY HELD!
 
What about it?
 
is IKEA really not floated on the stock market!? that's insane!
as in, insanely impresive
 
class ingvar_kamprad {
private:
    company ikea;
};
2
 
9:28 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes ¬_¬ sometimes I regret hanging out in such a nerdy place
3
 
9:44 AM
A vector is a 1D list of numbers, and a matrix is a 2D set of numbers; is there a sensible concept for a 3D set of numbers?
 
54
Q: Does a "cubic" matrix exist?

Ian MateusWell, I've heard that a "cubic" matrix would exist and I thought: would it be like a magic cube? And more: does it even have a determinant - and other properties? I'm a young student, so... please don't get mad at me if I'm talking something stupid. Thank you. P.S. I'm 14 years old. I don't kno...

 
@Pubby oh; tensors ¬_¬
 
sbi
10:00 AM
@thecoshman No need to. You can easily google acronyms by adding, well, "acronym" to the search phrase. I bet googling for "jftr acronym" will have the acronym as the first hit.
@RMartinhoFernandes And if that doesn't help: Are you looking at the right file? In the right folder? Yes, I have been bitten by that. (That was 15 years ago, though. I learned my lesson.)
I went to Ikea to buy a €1.99 lamp and came home with €80 worth of incredible useful stuff I didn't even know I'm missing. Sigh.
 
@sbi well played sir
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin Huh? How did you get close to a just-hatched yellow jacket? I suppose it was a solitary one? Most of them are not half as dangerous as the swarming ones.
 
@sbi Maybe he keeps them?
 
@sbi oh shit, I'm planning to go at the end of the month to spend over 100 :S
 
Or are they not exploitable for honey?
 
sbi
10:03 AM
@CatPlusPlus Actually, hornets are much more peaceful than wasps (or yellow jackets, as Merkins call them).
@RMartinhoFernandes Why then would he run from it? Also, try to get your hands on a newly-hatched wasp from a swarm at your house. Urgh.
 
@thecoshman Bring only 150 + transportation costs. And leave plastic money at home.
@sbi Oh, right.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes but what if I find shineys that I want to buy?
 
Still, bees can sting their keepers. It's not like they're immune.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes I don't think so.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I don't think bees 'bite', sting I think you mean
 
10:05 AM
@thecoshman Dammit, either you want to buy a lot of stuff you don't want to buy, or you don't. You have to pick one.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Does he have to?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes :(
@sbi this
 
@thecoshman Ooops, the Portuguese word for "bite" also works for "sting".
 
@RMartinhoFernandes that makes sense then
and you know this common belief that bees die when they sting, actually false. Very few bees to die when they sting unlike wasps which almost all do die when they sting. Though, I think wasps are more aggressive, thus more likely to sting you in the first place
`data[0] = (LHSdata[0] * RHSdata[0]) + (LHSdata[1] * RHSdata[4]) + (LHSdata[2] * RHSdata[8]) + (LHSdata[3] * RHSdata[12]);`
matrix maths, think I'm doing it wrong :P
 
10:09 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes I don't think that is in jogl, best check that though
 
Oh, right Java. Sorry.
:(
 
@RMartinhoFernandes me too :P
 
sbi
@thecoshman Actually, it's the opposite. Honey bees die when they sting mammals, wasps don't.
 
@sbi actually, that is just one species of bee. Most do die, where as most wasps do not
 
Bees only die if their stinger is torn from the abdomen.
 
10:15 AM
But something tells me we need to let wikipedia settle this matter
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Which will happen almost every time they sting a mammal.
@thecoshman Which is the opposite of what you said above.
 
I have an ansi C question: Can I have an extern static variable which is either an array or a pointer?
 
I don't think I ever found a stinger in my skin after being stung (and I had my share of those ): I guess human skin (or at least mine) is not thick enough.
 
@sbi feck, because it is the opposite that what I meant
 
I've tried:
Header: extern const float* lineColor;
Impl: const float _lineColor[4] = { 0, 0, 0, 1 };
const float lineColor = _lineColor;
 
sbi
10:18 AM
@thecoshman Which one, now? You are confusing!
 
but it says redeclaration..
 
@Nils Arrays are not pointers.
If you want an array variable, you need to declare it as an array.
Oh wait.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes unfortunately, it can link OK anyway. and IIRC does so with Visual C++ and g++
 
There's an underscore.
Are you forgetting a *?
 
i mean, if he removed the underscore
 
sbi
10:19 AM
@Nils const float* lineColor = _lineColor; // note the *
 
anyway, i'm off to IKEA. @sbi: i'll try to not buy anything except food! :-)
 
sbi
@AlfPSteinbach Köttbullar?
 
Are names starting with underscore allowed?
(I have to ask this all the time)
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Not in the global scope.
 
@sbi yep :-) unless they have something better of course
 
10:21 AM
ah lol
thx @sbi
need to look closer next time
 
sbi
@AlfPSteinbach Did you know that Ikea makes köttbullar out of what's left in småland at the end of the day? :)
 
"So, I bought some meatballs, a lamp, five replacement bulbs for that lamp, a small desk to place the lamp on, a chair to sit by the desk, ..."
@sbi That sounds disgusting.
 
But I can't do
Header: extern const float lineColor[4];
Impl: const float lineColor[4] = { 0, 0, 0, 1 };
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Better now?
 
gn kist ub t trabnslxtn
afk
 
10:23 AM
@sbi It still sounds disgusting, even with the smiley.
 
@sbi most wasps die when they sting, few bees do
 
sbi
@thecoshman See here.
> The different species of honey bees are distinguished from all other bee species (and virtually all other Hymenoptera) by the possession of small barbs on the sting, but these barbs are found only in the worker bees.
> The sting and associated venom sac are also modified so as to pull free of the body once lodged (autotomy), and the sting apparatus has its own musculature and ganglion which allow it to keep delivering venom once detached. The worker bee dies after the stinger is torn from its body.
> It is presumed that this complex apparatus, including the barbs on the sting, evolved specifically in response to predation by vertebrates, as the barbs do not usually function (and the sting apparatus does not detach) unless the sting is embedded in fleshy tissue.
 
@sbi not all bees are honey bees
 
sbi
11 mins ago, by sbi
@thecoshman Actually, it's the opposite. Honey bees die when they sting mammals, wasps don't.
Read again. I wrote "honey bees" for a reason.
 
so whilst honey bees die when they sting humans, not all bees
@sbi that was me being retarded
 
sbi
10:26 AM
Also, wasps do not die when they sting. ("...honey bees are distinguished from all other bee species (and virtually all other Hymenoptera) by the possession of small barbs on the sting...")
 
Wasps are Vespidae, not Hymenoptera.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Oh. Sigh. Lemme look...
 
Some wasps have barbs as well (though not as strong as honey bees).
 
enough of this, let's settle this with a nice agreeable sentence. "Creatures that make honey are great; I wish death upon any living creature that stings me"
 
sbi
@thecoshman I found it:
> They have a lance-like stinger with small barbs and typically sting repeatedly,[1] though occasionally the stinger becomes lodged and pulls free of the wasp's body;
 
10:30 AM
hi
 
@sbi Oh, I'm silly. Vespidae is a family within the Hymenoptera order. Oops.
 
Xeo
@sbi lol
 
@sbi there is an episode of QI that actually discusses this. If I recall correctly, there are only two species of bee that die when they sting. Though they could be using a rather obtuse definition of wasp
 
Xeo
I just woke up, and the first thing I noticed was a huge string of 'b's I somehow entered into the edit box of the chat xD
 
@Xeo Fell asleep on the keyboard?
 
10:33 AM
QI also proclaimed that, technically, 'fish' is a nonsensical type of animal; I forget the exact reasoning, but some chap spent years studying fish and concluded there is no such thing as a fish
 
Sounds ridiculous.
 
Xeo
@RMartinhoFernandes Like I said before going to sleep, I rearranged my keyboard, mouse and screen to actually be able to operate them from my bed... as such, the keyboard was mere centimeters beside me while sleeping :P
 
WTF is QI?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes A TV show in England "Quite Interesting"
 
> Fish are a paraphyletic group of organisms that consist of all gill-bearing aquatic vertebrate (or craniate) animals that lack limbs with digits.
Let there be fish.
 
sbi
10:36 AM
@thecoshman At the top of the article I linked to:
> Yellowjacket is the common name in North America for predatory wasps of the genera Vespula and Dolichovespula.
 
@sbi why the edit?
 
sbi
> We know how to write bad code: litter our programs with casts, macros, pointers, naked new and deletes, and complicated control structures. Alternatively (or additionally), we could obscure every design decision in a mess of deeply nested abstractions using the latest object-oriented programming and generic programming tricks.
> Then, for good measure, we might complicate our algorithms with interesting special cases. Such code is incomprehensible, unmaintainable, usually inefficient, and not uncommon. — Bjarne Stroustrup
@thecoshman Because it appeared as if belonging to the wasp discussion.
 
OMG. Have you heard of loops?
 
10:44 AM
could some one just validate quickly I haven't done anything stupid here, like go LHS and RHS the wrong way around
 
No.
Write loops.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes ¬_¬
 
That way you don't need extra sets of eyes to validate.
 
I don't want to work out the 'right' algorithm to turn that into a loop if I am doing the wrong calculations in the first place
 
r[i,j] += l[k,j] * r[i,k]
Put that inside three loops and you're done.
 
10:48 AM
that's so wrong
 
It's the other way around?
 
it should be r[i, k] += l[i, j] * r[j, k]
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I feel so stupid; I couldn't seem to comprehend the notion of using more then one loop :(
 
I believe
 
@DeadMG I'm not sure that would make a difference in the final result.
 
10:49 AM
but it is a big readability win
it's trivially verifiable that that code does not use the wrong indices in the wrong place, because the j use is symmetrical
 
That's a good point.
 
Xeo
Interesting list, though I'm kinda missing Scott on it
 
sbi
@Xeo Yeah, so far that's impressive. (And if you mean Scott Meyers, why don't you ask him about it? He's quite responsive.)
 
Xeo
> Admission: $112 (can you guess why this number was chosen?)
Hmm
 
wtf's with the * 4?
 
10:59 AM
markdown fail :(
 
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