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3:00 PM
Well, it doesn't work, so it's not quite 'done', is it.
 
Als
3:10 PM
hola
anyone...someone?
 
@sbi I have confused you before with exactly the same sentence.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Sigh. Old men's memories fail...
 
Xeo
Maybe you should get new memory?
 
Als
Anyone any pointers on how to access a remote MS access database through a windows UI application?
 
You can get 16 GB for under $100 USD right now. That is... if you have 4 DDR3 slots in your head.
 
sbi
3:25 PM
@Mysticial 16GB? You must be joking! Or you really have no idea how complex my life is. I need that just to store the most essential details about my kids. (Who wants their eggs boiled soft? Which one takes piano lessons, who's doing Aikido? What was her weak subjects in school again? Which one can I criticize bluntly, and which one needs to be told very carefully in order to not to curl into a catatonic ball?) And let's not get started about my ex-wifes...
 
Als
criticize bluntly eh....
 
sbi
@Als Yeah. To some I can just blurt out "Hey, that was incredibly stupid of you", and they hang their head for a minute and then try the same thing again. Others need to be told "That was a very good idea. However, might I suggest a few improvements?" or they won't speak to me for two days and never ever again try anything at all. Sigh.
 
sbi you can store all that as an array of bits
 
kids[1] |= AIKIDO
 
sbi
@ÓlafurWaage Yeah, one bit for each of the human traits, right? Then I only need a 64kbit machine to process this.
 
3:29 PM
:)
 
Xeo
> You have already edited 5 of your own posts today (excluding very recent posts); further edits are not allowed until tomorrow.
-.-
 
@sbi They misspelled 'shoe'.
 
What.
 
> And let's not get started about my ex-wifes
@sbi you can save some memory there
 
sbi
Well, given the complexity of humans, let's rather make this a machine with a bit width of 1M.
 
3:31 PM
so we are all just permutations of a problemset?
 
The universe is a permutation of particles I guess.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked I wish.
 
@Xeo Are SO developers evaluated on the number of new rules they have introduced?
 
@Xaade nah, Freddy misses the second 'd'
 
@StackedCrooked then TheTXI would be god.
 
sbi
3:34 PM
@Xeo I can't tell you how much I hate those stupid restrictions.
I have been here for almost 2.5 years, none of my answers were ever closed, few of my comments ever flagged, I can edit everyone's questions and answers, and easily spill the 20% of power necessary to nuke anything off the site, yet when I have read a comment thread and want to throw votes for the comments I liked I it takes me at least 20secs to cast five votes. That is so incredibly stupid, I don't even know how to call it.
16
 
Xeo
@sbi "stupid"
 
@sehe that says, for ready m. Not sure what the m is for.
 
Xeo
Just "stupid"
 
@Xeo nah, I think it has to do with people trying to commit suicide on their accepted questions. When users start deleting many Q/A's in a row, something of a protection kicks in - it is community content after all
 
@sbi the main problem I have with that is it doesn't match my usage - typically I read all the comments and then upvote the insightful ones all in one batch
 
Xeo
3:35 PM
I just want to retag all my questions from ->
 
@xeo - I'll go through and do it for you :)
 
Xeo
@sehe I ain't even deleting anything!
 
(if you want)
 
sbi
@Xeo Yep. Same here.
 
@sehe and yet it prevents us from improving our own answers. Who does that benefit?
 
Xeo
3:36 PM
@awoodland Sure, go ahead!
 
@Xeo Maybe you could request a tag merge for that. Since they're the same now?
 
@Xeo No, but it smells like the same protection mechanism. That's heuristics for you
 
@sbi Rep could have a cooldown reduction effect
 
Xeo
But make sure to include the C++0x -> C++11 in the question text
 
all 0x->11? or any you want to stay at 0x?
 
Xeo
3:36 PM
Nope, none of my own
 
@sehe the problem is that there isn't a heuristic. They could try to detect "are you deleting a ton of content from your answer", but instead, they just blanket ban you from editing anything
 
Xeo
@Mysticial New questions which get tagged are already changed to be
 
cooldown / (1 + ((Rep/10) / 100))
 
@xeo - they all look already stackoverflow.com/…
 
@Xeo: Huh - are you saying there is no rule? Then, surely you agree that there is no problem editing too?
I'm not so sure exactly what logic lurks _here_ but sometimes editing posts/answers makes them eligible for changing votes/removing accepts/deleting questions after removing accepts etc.
 
3:39 PM
@sehe who would do that?
 
sbi
@Xeo I think mods can mass-retag. ICBW, but maybe it's worth to flag and ask? Or ask on meta?
 
@Xaade: don't ask me. I've read on meta that they had heuristics to prevent mass-self-deletions
@Xaade I just hope they mind the epsilon, or Jon Skeet will soon have to wait infinite seconds before casting any votes :)
 
Xeo
@awoodland Sadly, gets changed to even in search queries. :)
 
@sehe why would someone? Are they afraid of retaliation?
 
3:42 PM
If you have to be afraid of retaliation, it's better to just stop being a jack-ass.
 
Xeo
@sbi Mass-retag is one thing, but you'd still have to edit all the questions to change "C++0x" -> "C++11".
 
@jalf Shute. Misdirected my response: "Huh - are you saying there is no rule?..." (see above) was for you, Jalf
 
sbi
@Xeo Ah, true.
 
@Xeo There's still context to C++0x. Not everything in C++0x proposed, translated into C++11.
 
sbi
Anyway, I'm gonna be afk for the rest of the evening. Have a nice one, everybody!
 
3:43 PM
For some, it would be better to start being afraid of retaliation :)
 
Xeo
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Q: When will C++0x be finished?

Howard HinnantOk, this is the first question I've asked and I didn't know you couldn't answer your own question. Answer: March 25, 2011. :-) I'm not kidding, it's official. Well, at least as far as the committee is concerned. Update Aug. 12, 2011. The C++ FDIS has officially been approved by ISO in a un...

Is one of the questions I'll leave tagged as "C++0x"
 
On a side note. It prevents @Genesis style exploiting.
 
@Xaade huh
 
Xeo
@thecoshman lol
 
3:46 PM
@sehe I didn't say there was no rule. I said that instead of an heuristic trying to determine what was happening, and curtailing negative behavior, they just hit everyone with the "you can't go around editing your post" hammer
so instead of a "you shouldn't suicide your answer" rule, we get a "you shouldn't edit your answer" rule
 
@jalf Not sure how this prevents suicide; not sure how this prevents modding it back in.
 
@xeo - think that's the ones you wanted retagged. Goes to show how silly making someone else do it is though :)
 
hmm... people seem to like to remove politeness from questions ¬_¬ What is wrong with saying something like "Thanks for the help"
 
@thecoshman - it doesn't add anything to the post really. I'd assume that the OP is grateful by default
 
@awoodland but to go to the effort of removing it?
 
Xeo
3:50 PM
@awoodland Yep, thanks. But why the 'silly'?
 
@Xeo I meant the system that prevented you from doing it was silly
 
Xeo
Ah
 
@thecoshman I'd only do it if making other edits at the same time
 
Xeo
Yeah
 
@thecoshman In some cases, I do it simply to make the question/answer shorter, more concise and easier to get an overview of. Likewise with introductions like "hello, how are you"
but it's not a hard and fast rule, and I don't do it consistently. :)
 
Xeo
3:52 PM
lol'd
 
If a post is 95% filler removing the filler makes it obvious how little real content there is
 
Xeo
@jalf Introductions should generally be removed. They take away the little preview space you get on the /tagged/ pages
 
the one that bugs me is "title says it all" as pretty much the only "content"
 
@Xeo doesn't work on opera :_)
 
Xeo
@awoodland Sometimes, that's just it. :/
 
3:56 PM
@awoodland The less there is to read, the better. It's a kindness towards everyone whose time is precious.
If a question is readable in O(n), all the better.
 
I'm sad. Windows reports the internal USB hub has 8 ports, but only 3 are available outside. :.
 
Xeo
@KerrekSB Everyone whose time is precious shouldn't be on SO. It's a massive time sucker.
 
@Xeo it seems like abuse of the title/content structure to me
 
Laptops suck.
 
so the title is the hook and broad description and then the actual question is the content
 
3:57 PM
I've always hated "title" on forums and whatnot.
 
@Xeo Not really. SO can be an investment. Participation improves your own knowledge of the field, and you get help with your own problems (and learn how to think about them better and how to ask the right questions).
@Xeo I think that's simple. The "title" is like an email "subject":
 
Xeo
@KerrekSB True enough
 
It's always just repeating yourself.
 
It's sole purpose is to allow a potential reader to decide whether or not to open the message.
Once opened, a message should be self-contained.
There should be no need for back-references, or for O(m) storage in the reader's brain (who may have many other tasks open).
 
Xeo
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Q: Rule-of-Three becomes Rule-of-Five with C++0x?

XeoSo, after watching this wonderful lecture on rvalue references, I thought that every class would benefit of such a "move constructor", template<class T> MyClass(T&& other) edit and of course a "move assignment operator", template<class T> MyClass& operator=(T&& oth...

@awoodland Damn, I told you to change the "C++0x" to "C++11" in the question text / title too! ;)
 
4:01 PM
In a nutshell: The asker should make it as easy as humanly possible for everyone else to decide quickly whether the post is interesting, and if so it should get to the point as quickly as possible. Like Unix: If you must fail, fail as early and as noisily as possible. For an SO question that means, allow a reader to decide as early as possible that the question isn't relevant.
Unlike sex, SO questions don't benefit from foreplay.
 
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A: "Title-only" questions (i.e. questions without body) should be allowed

awoodlandI strongly disagree with this view. The title has an important role in questions and using it to contain (the only) content of a question is abuse of the title field and indicative of low quality in general. Justification The title is useful for much more than just "the first part of my questio...

 
@Xeo Shame mrdoob.com/projects/chromeexperiments/google_gravity doesn't support the prank recursively
 
so just looking at some JS... glad I don't have to deal with that shit
 
Xeo
@sehe Wtf!
 
Rediscovering Google animation stuff, are we?
 
4:06 PM
 
shit... I just realised I had some tasty recipes stored in Google wave... when they closing that down?
@CatPlusPlus that's what I was thinking :P
 
@thecoshman think it's readonly for a few months still
 
@awoodland seems so... good job too. Tasty food is tasty!
 
Xeo
@thecoshman > As of January 31, 2012, all waves will be read-only, and the Wave service will be turned off on April 30, 2012.
 
seems I didn't have as much in there as I thought ¬_¬
What did you guys make of wave? I liked it but felt it was miss marketed
 
4:16 PM
Oh gah..... Google+ Engrish is making my head hurt.
30 year old prepubescent internationals trying to speak texting Engrish in comment thread.....
 
Xeo
Interesting
I just noticed that, if you filled out your "About me" field in your profile, people will get a little window when hovering over your avatar
Showing the text from the "About me" field
 
@thecoshman I have never heard of it.
 
:O
I really liked wave, looked very swish; and as we all know, bells and whistles make all the difference :P
 
anyone care to run a linux bash shell command for me?
I don't have my linux box and need to create an Arch wiki account
And it has to be on Arch linux I guess :/
date -u +%Wuname`|sha256sum|sed 's/\W//g'`
 
any way... home time :D
 
4:27 PM
@Xeo that makes my about me "Loading..." even more humorous.
 
Xeo
17:32:03 $ date -u +%Wuname | sha256sum | sed 's/\W//g'
43379ba1c44793b6a37145b0c8582441e6d63e33f739a3cf4bdaba37b3291d27
@rubenvb: Correct?
 
@Xeo nope :(
 
Xeo
Okay, what did I do wrong? :s
 
@Xeo was that on Arch?
 
Xeo
Uh, no. Debian
 
4:34 PM
it has to be Arch unfortunately (the uname has some distro specific stuff in it). Thanks for trying :)
does Boost have a usable SVN repo? ie is trunk usable or are there stable branches?
 
Xeo
4:56 PM
Functions still can't be partially specialized in C++11, right?
 
@Xeo No.
I think there's a good reason for that. It would interfere with overload resolution in a major way.
 
@Xeo You mean function templates.
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow Right.
Okay, quiz time!
 
@Pubby: Are you around?
 
5:07 PM
@KerrekSB hello
 
Xeo
What's wrong with this seemingly simple and innocent make_unique implementation?
 
@Pubby Fancy a stand-off?
 
Xeo
#include <memory>
#include <utility>

template<class T, class... Args>
std::unique_ptr<T> make_unique(Args&&... args){
    return std::unique_ptr<T>(new T(std::forward<Args>(args)...));
}
 
@Xeo No deleter or array support?
 
@KerrekSB Ok, do a handshake
 
Xeo
5:08 PM
@KerrekSB the latter
 
@Pubby I still have the same IP, if you still have it
 
Xeo
Damn, so much for my cool "quiz" :(
 
@KerrekSB Game doesn't save it and so I don't have it. I should probably write it down
 
17334616867725547648916677352558492817708039681691290412444935985367391904188182867290297561366605481852856744455200878649555440149484681927922184800178039315112683153866738262144448109821359559738706276750371620442607498881376078883000154147342311241554675868629302815847819810153961101702749281976779121149
 
72188647798467163716550313025752773427762098868824221358154200206340633980744273340252646005419830933122711749809824252302149527625987700293350100877825483319259245633372867147301404677503052184252431634773555183098850759598144728245849904712765555718661935801236407389708873385732891997027626903443645020107
 
5:10 PM
3457766360273529906181564498646287066879916134942023425020191668732737504713973020198278555800703624508524248538597538864566918702514016344299605521132672887441010960604310127398238575601092485208567232597149806574733276896042217212517262197
 
@Xeo Does anybody really need a unique array?
 
@FredOverflow I think it's a cute trick...
 
Quiz: how long did temporaries live before the committee nailed down the "end of full-expression" semantics?
 
hi
 
Xeo
Hm, adding correct support for a custom deleter is surprisingly hard
 
5:25 PM
What do you need a custom deleter for? You have a new there, what else would you do with the pointer? Again, let's pretend there is no such thing as unique arrays.
 
@FredOverflow what's wrong with unique arrays?
 
Just use std::vector.
 
@rubenvb Nobody needs them, we have vectors.
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow Logging? Putting the pointer in a free list? :s
@FredOverflow But vectors are copyable! :O
 
If you're saying new[] anywhere, you're doing it wrong.
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5:26 PM
@FredOverflow why is there std::array then?
 
@rubenvb To get C style array value semantics without array to pointer decay and stupid limitations.
 
Xeo
@rubenvb std::array is conceptually different from std::vector - one is of static size, the other is not.
 
@Xeo exactly why I was confused with the C-array --> vector point. But I see @FredOverflow's other point.
 
@awoodland I haf example! "What izt 6 bye 9?"
 
good game! that pkunk was brutal
 
5:32 PM
@Pubby Yay for infinite lives! :-)
 
> Wolfram|Alpha doesn't know how to interpret your input.
 
hehe, that vux vs utwig was silly
 
The Jugger really trashed far too many ships of mine, so I had to use the VUX...
 
What are you talking about?
 
@Pubby I was panicking, because nothing else in my arsenal could really defeat that Utwig...
@FredOverflow We played a round of UQM Super Melee :-)
 
5:37 PM
@KerrekSB wth is that?
 
@Xaade UQM is The Ur-Quan Masters, an open-source release of the game Star Control II.
In every aspect a Very Fine Game. The super melee mode is a head-to-head two-player spaceship combat game.
 
@KerrekSB What did all those numbers do?
 
@Xaade Those were a secrets exchange.
@Xaade I was telling Pubby my IP address, and an observation about DeadMG's momma.
 
'Ello, gents.
 
@KerrekSB ...?
How does secret exchange work?
 
5:43 PM
@Xaade It's a simple Diffie-Hellman protocol
I type in a and tell you my token:
 
@KerrekSB ???
 
45261896188683411480815185450757449660489125564865201577784356208753773549609126463383022325516960567530038446342159857573561333488161194590757383454389416187793136232554844099338083395239812464160734193763345156568765881457225181379125121626475979974486594654991336641005888050079628223157926328479207240883
You paste that into "input", "read as Bob", type in b, "compute as Bob", and tell me your token
(which will be conveniently copied into the "output" field)
 
What do I do with that number?
 
You paste my number into "input" and "read as Bob"
 
A paragon of user experience.
 
5:45 PM
@Maxpm You are entirely welcome to submit a better interface! :-)
 
it keeps giving me output 1 no matter what I type?
 
type a number
 
this is fail
33499002790625139478741769208619724633213852103446784863583714776845926663384075‌​579828940598368178659713479682688811158316271478581239445489482426082352840058727‌​706037249410379793951902070746963833719910810979063281847125816212631987253330566‌​80303927547927408043469033554430641075850187682799201799988366867
It only works on numbers.... no effin wonder
g(ab) is 1034638710064370325
 
@KerrekSB I think I'd rather continue being snarky and sarcastic.
 
Xeo
Sarcasm ♥
 
5:53 PM
@Pubby when does bob get secret A
 
what?
 
I just posted G(b), how do I get secret A....
 
Wait, who's Bob and who's Alice?
 
@Xaade As Bob, make sure you type a secret into "B"
 
you don't, you post the sender's thing in encrypted area
 
5:56 PM
oh gawd...... secret thingy is fail.... UI horrible.... instructions horrible..... bleh.
 
it should have seperate pages for sending and recieving
 
Instruction numbers are out of order..... all over place.
I did type in secret B
I just posted G(b) up there
 
@Pubby I guess. Or just two columns... since the base parameters are actually fixed now, there's no need to display them. And we could replace the manual secret input (A and B) by random numbers.
@Xaade Ah OK. Then here's my message:
1578527760565718500707755144100296637912741995769142508100538471064657391579818151948650955235874589920910924056388459470052239507609270774644192560939472720144700679767779306660274656878733836068779365631057364992682041880593229646068922907
 
I'm waiting on Alice to finish.
 
Basically it can be used like this: "1) Alice handshake, 2) Bob handshake, 3) Messages in either direction"
 
5:58 PM
fuck it.
Where do I put what kerrek typed.
 
@Xaade Into "encrypted text"
 
@KerrekSB There is no "compute as bob"
 

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