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4:00 AM
You guys done fighting?
 
user457812
Did I miss something interesting?
 
user457812
Insulting people is a bad idea. And I'm not directing that at any one person.
 
let's drop it fellas, no good bringing in the thought police
 
user457812
This is phenomenally stupid.
 
4:02 AM
well done, i'm new to this, you are a real genius to work it out!
 
@Ollie Please accept my apologies. (seriously)
 
No silly fighting in here, ok? You can make a room for yourselves if you want.
 
so are you going to let me continue trying to learn?
 
4:03 AM
yeah. keep learning.
 
so I don;t have to be a newb forever
 
Go on.
:2087272 Really, the flag system is broken. I really fear I'll get a 30-minute suspension for that thing :( It won't be the first time.
 
@Ollie if you have some code send it to my. I'll take a look.
s/my/me/
 
I think i may have worked it out, i think the reason that it is not listing content of sub dir is that the function call inside the function to make it scan sub dir's is now invalid
 
4:04 AM
This is all that people will see about that flag.
 
who did that?
 
That looks obviously offensive.
But it is completely out of context.
 
was it actually flagged?
 
Yep.
Twice now.
 
wtf? I really didn't mean to do that.
 
4:06 AM
i voted valid on that
 
@keithlayne I know.
 
i think it was too strongly worded
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I starred it
 
sorry r
 
@AlfPSteinbach I was explaining what GFY meant.
 
4:06 AM
It was my fault
 
It was explanation of an acronym, for crying out loud.
 
I humbly accept a lifetime ban
 
user457812
Well at least he didn't explain FYAD
 
it seems the feed guy is not posting by blog postings
 
@keithlayne Don't worry, it's just a 30-minute suspension.
 
4:07 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes what's FYAD? :D
 
I survived it once.
 
even though the blog is there
 
Isn't there a warning about this in the newbie hints?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes it can mean "good for you" :-)
 
4:08 AM
Note that all >10k users get notified about every flagged message across all rooms of the chat and most of them find that very annoying, especially when done for silly reasons.
 
user457812
It also means "gophers fondle yooblies"
 
FML
 
FML = Fast Markup Language.
 
user457812
I will not fondle your lashes
 
4:09 AM
keith.layne: on a plus side, you have helped me a LOT!
 
freshly posted:
 
Whatever joy I got from making @RMartinhoFernandes say that was not worth it
 
user457812
That blog post is a lie
 
@AlfPSteinbach that's ur blog? wasn't it alf on programming?
 
4:10 AM
@nil ?
 
@AlfPSteinbach You had me at int main().
 
@keithlayne Really, don't worry about it. I'm not worried. No hard feelings or anything.
 
It doesn't post it, because you've added a link to main page, instead of RSS/Atom feed.
 
Btw, this is exactly the reason why Tony has "Suspended yet again for silly reasons" as his tagline.
 
It would have probably been a little more amusing if I had goaded DeadMG into saying it like that.
 
4:11 AM
 
@Richard
@RichardPennington are you out there?
 
@cat you fixed it?
 
@Ollie yes
 
Yeah.
 
4:13 AM
thats what i am working on
 
@Ollie I try, but I do like to stir up trouble sometimes. My bad.
 
Feeds should be spamming us any minute.
 
haha everyone likes a bit of trouble every now and again
as long as its not too bad everyone gets over it
@IntermediateHacker: I'm sorry I was an a**hole, I have spent ages working on a project and I'm totally sh*t a programming and everyone here is really helping me to understand more and I didn't want to leave. (also im trying to cut the swearing out haha)
 
We don't care about the swearing around here.
 
4:16 AM
I know but I swore a bit to much and I dont want to be flagged haha
 
@Ollie no problem. Your not an a**hole. Anyway , we don't take things that seriously here.
 
> 1221 messages found
 
good because you guys have taught me more than my lecturer has
to be fair, he has taught me nothing because i dont understand a word he says
 
@RMartinhoFernandes and most of them are starred. Including yours. >>
 
4:18 AM
by you guys i mean everyone at stackoverflow
 
posted on December 09, 2011 by Alf P. Steinbach

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posted on December 09, 2011 by Alf P. Steinbach

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posted on December 13, 2011 by Alf P. Steinbach

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There he is.
 
user457812
I keep a poetry blog, therefore I am not capable of teaching.
 
WTF happened? Is this the apocalypse?
God save me from RSS Feeds
 
Feeds catching up on Alf's blog. He should be fine now.
 
4:20 AM
so i have another question, my code starts off in the cwd and scans that directory by going into a function which when it finds a directory it then calls the same function again but instead of passing in the cwd it passes in the path of the directory it has found, only it doesnt seem to be doing that
 
that was scary.
 
Anyone know how to pass objects between threads in V8?
 
user457812
@Ollie Use file descriptors, not strings?
 
if i pass the directory into the char called directory and then call listdir(directory) in theory that should start listing the directory it has found right?
 
ok, i'm outta here. You can find me in the Java room.
 
4:21 AM
If i know how to do that i would
knew*
 
I'm working on a multi-threaded library which uses V8
Each thread receives its own context
 
god my english is terrible today.
 
on second thought , I'm better off here.
The most starred message in the Java room was:
in Java, Dec 5 at 6:14, by Naresh
i dont know java
 
So I guess the question is how to pass objects between contexts, knowing that they are garbage-collected.
 
user457812
@IDWMaster Does it have something like a channel or any synchronization constructs?
 
4:24 AM
The WORST thing about the Java room:
in Java, Nov 18 at 2:04, by Poik
DO NOT ask if you can ask a question. Yes, you can ask a question. Chat will inform you when someone replies to that question. It's nice like that. So ask! Don't be shy! And we'll answer as soon as possible
 
@Ollie it would be better maybe to do recursion on the inode struct. Terminate on null or regular file or whatever.
 
@nil The closest thing is Locker, which allows one thread to enter the context of another thread, but this isn't exactly the behavior that I'm wanting
 
haha i just made a fatal error!
 
Instead of asking, I like to announce that I'm going to ask a question like this:

Hey guys, I have a question.
 
user457812
Wouldn't know then – I just guessed on the channel thing.
 
4:25 AM
I accidently indefinitely looped my code!
 
Then I pause to let the suspense build, and ask away:
 
user457812
Guys, I have an answer, what's my question?
 
It does have built-in classes to serialize data to a string, but it seems like that would impose a lot of overhead if I were to use it for data marshaling between threads.
 
How's it going?
 
@nil Beer?
 
4:26 AM
@nil Why doesn't my VC++ link the two sources?
 
@keithlayne can I ask u a personal question?
 
@IDWMaster you're too young to say that word
 
user457812
@IDWMaster Five points to Gryffindor!
 
@nil the inode struct would be good to use as i need to start pulling the final block eventually
 
@IntermediateHacker yes
don't know if I'll answer it
 
4:27 AM
@keithlayne you payed for an expensive *.org domain name and are probably paying monthly for web hosting. all for this ???
 
Guys, I'm new to the windows development environment. I have two source files (with headers properly included) but I get a linker error when I build the thing.
One of them source files have the main, the other, a bunch of utility functions.
 
@IntermediateHacker not so expensive.
 
@Ollie I'm guessing your stat() call is failing. Just because you open a dir and read a dir, you cant stat the file without a: providing the complete path name, or b: changing into the directory.
 
It's a joke on an old caller ID commercial in the states. I'm sure no one gets it.
 
I don't get it.
 
4:28 AM
@IntermediateHacker it's on the to do list
 
@Ozbekov What linker error? "undefined reference" or "duplicate reference"?
 
@RichardPennington: HMMMMMMMM#
 
has been for a while
 
So is there a good way in V8 to convert an Object into a C++ struct, so I can upload it to another Context? Don't see anything other than string serialization in the docs that can do that.
 
but it makes my email address cooler-looking, so definitely worth it
 
4:29 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes Uhm actually "unresolved external symbol"
 
user457812
@IntermediateHacker You would find it disturbing then that I have both a .com and a .net domain
 
@keithlayne oh, no problem. tell me when you complete the site.
 
@IntermediateHacker totally. Although I have to warn you, it'll probably be sometime between never and next Tuesday.
 
@nil but you're a bona fide software publisher
 
user457812
4:30 AM
I'm a publisher now?
 
user457812
What happened to the honeymoon?
 
I thought I read on your profile thingie that you made super happy funtime mega bucks with some android or ios app
 
user457812
I made an Android app, but it doesn't sell much anymore.
 
How much it costsss?
 
Hmm. What is a sandbox? Sort of an island for misfit toys?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I'm sorry, I'm a moron... I kept the ".c" extension while copying the old source... Fixed it now.
 
user457812
The app costs $1.69 USD, and probably something similar in other countries.
 
@Ozbekov F*** C. Use Vala.
 
user457812
Fuck Vala, use ooc.
 
I bought a android tablet to play with programming it, and it pretty much went like this:
 
4:33 AM
@IntermediateHacker I love C.
 
@Ozbekov Good. Btw, for future reference, "unresolved external symbol" is what MSVC calls "undefined reference".
 
user457812
I bought an Android phone to program for it, which I did, then I learned that I really hate Java.
 
user457812
I hate Java more than I hate dogs, babies, and Rick Perry.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Yeah I'm trying to migrate myself here... I wouldn't develop on windows if I wasn't forced to! :-P
 
4:34 AM
@keithlayne Did I mention I like Abstruse Goose?
 
@nil I already knew I hated Java, I should have seen that one coming. But I like angry birds.
yeah
 
I've never even heard of Vala
 
gtk
I think
 
user457812
At any rate, I code for the iPhone and iPad now, though I haven't come up with a project that I want to actually work on yet (aside from the game I'm working on, which I suspect I will never, ever finish).
 
4:35 AM
What's the point of "long long" in MSVC?
 
Vala is awesome! Plus it compiles directly to machine code and/or C code.
 
@nil that's the hard part, but you're all creative and shit because you have a poetry blog, so it should be easy. :)
 
@IDWMaster It's probably a 64-bit integral type.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I know what it is, but why not just use "long"?
 
@nil We might just need an iPad programmer if we can't find a good one nearby
 
4:36 AM
@IDWMaster Because long is 32-bit.
 
#define schlong long
long schlong x;
 
Don't ask me why that is. It's probably an historical artifact.
 
user457812
@keithlayne long long schlong x;
 
@nil you don't have to show off
 
4:38 AM
@nil That's not valid syntax.
 
user457812
@RMartinhoFernandes Quiet.
 
#define really long long
 
Ok bye for some time. I have to write a simple vector grapics program in Java
 
freaking syntax police
 
That kind of jokes isn't as fun if the code doesn't compile.
 
4:39 AM
anyone care to give me a farewell?
 
but then the compiler will choke on long schlong which is way funnier
 
@IntermediateHacker Bye!
 
@IDWMaster thanks. Bye
 
@keithlayne OMG, you're blowing it out of proportion!
 
Hmmm.
 
4:39 AM
...that's what she said
 
I now realize I shouldn't have said that.
 
#define int64_t long long
But what about 128-bit integers?
 
There's nothing standard for that. I know GCC has extensions.
 
c-c-c-combo!!!
 
4:41 AM
Doesn't work in MSVC
Identifier __int128 is undefined
But ironically, it shows in blue
 
who broke my combo?
 
So it looks like they were planning on implementing it, but they never got to really doing it
 
YES! After spending 12 hours of work I can finally get some raw data off the USB
 
user457812
@keithlayne That was me, you had too much star power so I had to knock ya down a notch.
 
what is this, guitar hero?
 
user457812
4:43 AM
Yes.
 
ah....it's fun to be so easily amused
 
Yeah, it sucks to be sophisticated.
 
poop. I have to actually do stuff tomorrow. Sucks. I guess I should go to bed.
 
THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR HELP/SUPPORT, MY LIST FILES NOW WORKS! all i have left to do is work out internal fragmentation and that is going to be a total bitch!
 
user457812
Yay, total bitchery
 
4:47 AM
haha im not looking forward to starting it, but it must be done asap!
if anyone is bored and feels like lending me a hand with my stupid ass questions feel free to join my in sandbox
 
@Ollie keep at it, programming can be fun
 
i know, i made a game in C++ last year and that was fun, but easy because we had the luxury of visual studio!
when i'm not incredibly stressed out at because of it i kind of enjoy it, just wish i was a whole lot better than i am!
 
Speaking of bitches, in this movie I went to watch, Drive, the main character is not very talkative, and whenever there was a scene with people just looking at each other and smiling, total silence, there was some bitch behind me complaining "Oh, he never talks!".
Pissed me off.
 
@keithlayne "Can be fun"?
 
Btw, thanks for the suggestion @jalf, I really enjoyed it.
 
4:51 AM
@RichardPennington can be not fun as well, but I like it.
 
so no takers for the answering my silly questions are inode and so on?
 
Hmm?
 
@keithlayne It's not fun when the man is stomping your soul into the pavement. But I digress. ;-)
 
or the compile is stamping on your nuts, or whatever someone said earlier haha
 
@Rich ah, the man. Why's he always trying to keep us down? :)
 
4:53 AM
compiler* argh i can't type today!
 
later guys
 
cya and thanks for your help!
 
@Ollie Do you know you can edit messages?
 
4:54 AM
Dec 2 at 3:08, by Cat Plus Plus
If you are new here, please read the newbie hints. Thank you.
NSFW: Type "define an english person" into google search ...
 
ha no i did not know that!
 
@Ollie, download my compiler project and implement qemu for the nios2, I'd be eternally grateful and you'd learn a lot. :-)
 
ok, i will not be able to implement it in this project but if it will help you and I will learn then i will do something with it.
 
@Ollie I'm not sure the kernel exposes individual block addresses of the filesystem to user space, you might have to use a kernel module, but playing around inside the kernel isn't for the weak hearted.
 
this is my uni project
and this is how easy they make it sound
 
4:58 AM
Why are you playing around with internal fragmentation of the filesystem in a project to recursively list directories?
 
If it's still about Minix, then it's microkernel and filesystem is probably in the userspace anyway.
 
from the file name you can get the inode number, from the inode number you can access the last block and from the last block you can work out the internal fragmentation
 
Oh I assumed Linux.
 
Besides, inode number is returned by stat
 
yeah so i have that
 
4:59 AM
@Ollie Is this Linux or Minix?
 
so i guess i can call get_inode(buffer->d-ino);
minix
and then i will have the inode loaded into memory
and i believe there is a function to return the amount of blocks used, so from that i can somehow work out where the last block is
and then im assuming get_block() and then my idea trail goes cold...
any other thoughts?
 
@Ollie I'm not sure how much / if at all the ext2 is modified between Linux / Minix
 
why is changed to kitchen
 
@AlfPSteinbach Everyone was talking about food. Probably time to change back now.
 
5:14 AM
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Today: Grilled newbie with dummy sauce. [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq]
 
hey can any1 help me with a language question?
 
is a bit related to programming so I'm sure you know the answer
 
Right.
 
how do you call the act of looking at a source document and a "target" document, that contains data that comes from the source document and making sure data matches?
like cross-referencing
 
5:16 AM
verification
checking
 
but I don't think that's actually a verb
 
Er, comparing?
 
yea well it is comparing
 
testing
 
there is an actual procedure people do that has a name when they add rows and then add columns and make sure they get the same numbers on both sides
it has a name but forgot what
 
5:17 AM
QA (Quality Assurance)
 
@robjb I dont think there is much change
 
lol you are giving me super general words
 
the inode structure is different
 
wait
i'll let you know if I figure it out
maybe I should go to the language site
 
@jsoldi Well, you're being super general...
 
5:19 AM
ok look
I don't necesarilly mean "making sure the data is correct"
I mean the fact that is looking at two documents and he is "correlating" them
 
accounting?
 
but I don't think to "correlate" is the word either
hmmm
maybe, I'll think about it. that's weird maybe there's no word for what I'm trying to say
but thanks for your help!
 
@robjb I believe that the minix ext2 inode has 7 direct blocks, 1 indirect and one double indirect and one is reserved, which in theory could be a triple direct but is NOT!
 
@jsoldi Are you talking about serializing and deserializing? That's not comparing, but it does involve making sure the data is equivalent between two endpoints
 
lol no where did you get serialization from?
I'm writing an email to a potential-customer
for a web scraping job
 
5:25 AM
"making sure data matches"
 
so I'm trying to say here this data I took from this URL so you can "X" it
 
Ah, the context would have helped earlier ;)
 
where "X" is the word I'm looking for
 
I like "validate"
Maybe use english.stackexchange.com instead of the C++ chat? o_O
 
yea lol I thought it was like a word that everyone knows except myself but I guess is not...
I think I'll use validate
 
5:27 AM
verify
Would also work nicely
 
no no wait
but that sounds like saying "so you can see that my data is not wrong" and what I'm trying to say is so you can see where that data comes from
there is actually nothing to validate
I think compare would be the closest one
 
Would using the phrase "for your reference" instead of a single word work? (e.g. "Here is the data for your reference.")
 
OK look this is literally my sentence so far:
This is actual data taken from eventful.com, so you should be able to compare it by going to:
and then comes the URL
and also attached with the email is some data
 
"For your reference, here is the data from eventful.com: URL"
 
yea
well it would be the other way around since the URL is for his reference, the data is the actual content that matters
but I go you
 
5:32 AM
hiiii Allllllllllllll
 
I have to say, I think this is the first english tangent I've seen here
 
"This is actual data taken from eventful.com, so for your reference, here is the source URL:"
haha
 
cheers man, any ideas why when i include assert.h i get a compile error saying im missing a ( for declaring a const int
expected ( before numeric constant?
 
Sorry, couldn't help you there without seeing more of the code, pastebin it or something
 
5:42 AM
I figured it
MAXPATHLEN was already declared inside an include file
 
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Q: Policing of USB Vendor IDs

OzbekovAlthough not directly a programming question, I think I could find the best answer here. Why is the USB-IF policing the use of Vendor IDs and selling them? What happens to people who want to write open-source drivers or smaller companies where $2,000 would be a great impact? What happens if you...

I would love to hear your comments on it.
 
right, all my files are included, now its either time for bed to i man up and get this shit done...
 
@Ozbekov I would guess it's mostly to ensure uniqueness... otherwise a VID wouldn't have much meaning, would it?
Point 3 is interesting, though.
 
For the same reason domain names are sold.
Because we were first and pay or gtfo.
 
@CatPlusPlus Yes but domain names vs. these vendor IDs... VIDs are overpriced. And yes, exactly, they're saying GTFO
 
5:50 AM
Domains are overpriced, too.
 
Everything is overpriced. Specially if you don't have the money.
 
Is there a law/agreement that forbids people from using random VIDs?
 
Law? No. But you won't be compliant and can't use logo or whatever.
 

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