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Als
7:00 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb: Everything is expanding but since both you and room are expanding at same rate, nor you nor the room seem to notice any difference
 
but aren't my eyes watching everything?
 
human eyes are pretty fuckin' unreliable
 
Als
Your eyes are expanding too!
 
but they say that in a few billion years, when you look up only a few stars are left to watch
so that does not seem to be compatiblr with "you cannot notice the growth" theory :(
 
uh
unless you personally are capable of observing the sky over a few billion years
 
7:03 PM
lol
 
I don't see the incompatibility
 
Als
I completely missed you on the watching of stars part.
 
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Q: Why do I not get fatter and fatter?

Johannes Schaub - litbI noticed that these days three smart men got the nobel prize because they have shown that space expands at an ever increasing rate. What I don't understand is why don't I get fatter and fatter? Why doesn't everything bloat up? If our room expands in every direction, that's precisely what I wou...

 
Als
Whats with people, First they don;t add enough/proper information in the Q and then they say oh, this is not my problem really for an answer.
@JohannesSchaublitb: I don't have any rep there I am gonna copy paste the thing i posted here, I am rep hungry! :P
 
@Als But you would notice the difference.
If your room grows, even if you grow, crossing that room requires a greater amount of energy.
Though maybe puny humans cannot notice that difference.
 
7:09 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes No it doesn't. The room, the human, and the distance stay fixed in proportion to each other.
 
Als
@RMartinhoFernandes: it just doesnt grow at enough rate for puny humans to notice the difference.
 
the difference is that @Johannes is really referring to stellar expansion, which is something completely different and only affects, well, stars, galaxies and whatnot
 
I'm the star of SO :(
 
Als
lulz
 
Als
7:10 PM
fallen?
 
@DeadMG Are you saying that walking 10 m requires the same energy as walking 20 m if you are twice as big?
 
wtf
tried to post an anonymous answer
got a page with "Oh tin of pink meat / I ponder what you may be / Snout or ear or feet?"
 
Als
I got that bullshit too, I had to create an account.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes No. What I'm saying is that if space is expanding, then 10m is always going to be 10m. It's not going to expand to 20m.
 
Als
7:13 PM
err..I got downvoted
 
just 10m is going to be a little further than it used to be
 
Als
lol
 
I didn't downvote you :(
your answer seems to be logical. so why is someone downvoting you
 
Als
@JohannesSchaublitb: Apparently, some physicist is pissed!
lol
They seem to be fearing an attack from silly C++ people on their domain
 
hm in fact it doesn't expand in every direction
it expands only in one direction
only if we would be in the middle of the universe, it would expand into every direction
 
Als
7:14 PM
uhm
Did i fail physics?
 
well, I guess it expands a little bit into other directions too, but mainly away from the center
 
@JohannesSchaublitb You can't assume a middle.
 
@Als Possibly.
:)
 
@LucDanton why is this?
 
Als
@RMartinhoFernandes: I think Physics failed me! I didn't fail Physics!
lol
 
7:15 PM
@LucDanton just take the middle of the space
 
Als
@JohannesSchaublitb: What is middle of infinity?
 
@Als space is not infinitely large
 
Als
er How you reach there?
 
I am the center of the Universe. There's Universe all around me.
 
7:16 PM
oh wait
I think we donÄt know whether it is not infinitely large
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Well okay it's not so much that you can't but that you shouldn't make implicit assumptions. So if you say 'middle of the universe' I think you should state outright your assumptions on the geometry of the universe.
 
Als
it is, darn I should get the largest phsyics book i can find now!
 
@LucDanton you are right :(
 
@JohannesSchaublitb did you bother searching the site?
 
we don't know the geometry of it. I forgot
 
7:17 PM
And I'm pretty sure that the data on the observable universe is that it's pretty close to being isentropic. Make of that what you will on the 'rest' of the universe.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes i assumed that noone else asked this stupid a question :(
 
What rest? ;)
 
Notice quotes.
 
Als
It has a duplicate, The star @JohannesSchaublitb of SO didn't check the Dup! shame!!!!!
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Q: Why does space expansion not expand matter?

SoulmanZREFORMULATED: I have looked at the other questions (ie "why does space expansion affect matter") but can't find the answer I am looking for. My question: There is always mention of space expanding when we talk about the speed of galaxies relative to ours. Why, if space is expanding, does matt...

 
ah someone was of Als' opinion
"If that was the case, we wouldn't see the universe as expanding at all, because we would be expanding (spatially) with it."
 
Als
7:19 PM
Goddamn I am a certified physicist now
 
Hey, looks like local gravity does trump expansion.
 
Als
someone thinks alike
 
@Als no. the star just expanded away from you -.-
 
Ok, @Als answer makes no sense. If you can't notice it, why did smart guys notice it?
 
Als
@RMartinhoFernandes: Because smart guys are smart and we are not
 
7:20 PM
my question is now deleted
 
Als
so simple
Nonesense I got a downvote some pissed physicist!
Let them wander c++ once...!!!!
Revenge of the fallen!
 
@Als physics.stackexchange.com/reputation
click "recalc"
 
Finally fixed it
 
Hi. If you have time, please check this: gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/18164/…. thanks
 
7:21 PM
dammit· why is there no EASY ANSWER to the subject! :((
 
@JohannesSchaublitb But there is.
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A: Why does space expansion not expand matter?

MarekLet's talk about the balloon first because it provides a pretty good model for the expanding universe. It's true that if you draw a big circle then it will quickly expand as you blow into the balloon. Actually, the apparent speed with which two of the points on the circle in a distance $D$ of ea...

 
There was an extension that was messing up
 
Als
@JohannesSchaublitb: There is, they are hiding it, because if they say it easily, we would all know that its easy.
 
@umair If you have time please check this: loungecpp.wikidot.com/owners%3Anewbie-hints. thanks.
 
and when I got rid of it
It kept going wrong
 
7:22 PM
> To understand why, we have to remember that space expansion isn't the only important thing that happens in our universe. There are other forces like electromagnetism. But most importantly, we have forgotten about good old Newtonian gravity that holds big massive objects together.
 
no it talks about "particles" and "string theory", "metaphysics"
 
There's your answer.
 
25 mins ago, by Luc Danton
Local gravity does that.
 
But I stupidly forgot to delete the extension cache
So it's working now
 
7:24 PM
it holds objects together. but the objects themselfs should be expanding?
 
Als
Oh sweet someone upvoted me on the decimal/octal literal answer again. I am a genius that I have answered that one. :)
 
i mean, the atoms are held together. but why don't the atoms themselfs expand?
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Strong and weak nuclear forces keep them together.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb With gravity taken into account, it won't expand at the same rate as two distant galaxies would.
And other interactions, yeah (but those won't apply between the two galaxies).
 
7:25 PM
hmm
 
There's a fundamental force keeping things together at each level of detail.
 
i was in the impression that expansion of the room and gravity within the room are orthogonal
 
But mostly gravity. Unless you're at a small scale, then there's no gravity.
 
@R. Martinho Fernandes: ok i am sorry if it offended anyone
 
so if there is an infinitely large force that keeps things together, the things themselfs cannot expand?
 
7:27 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb If there was such a force.
 
But no fundamental force is infinitely strong.
 
It's not infinite but pretty close to when compared to the effects of expansion I suppose.
(This would apply to any interaction.)
 
perhaps at some point in time there will be pink energy that will contract the universe again
 
That's why most expansion is noticed in the distance between galaxies. There's not enough matter between them for gravity to win over expansion.
 
Als
7:28 PM
Pink Energy lol
You mean Wonder woman?
:P
 
@JohannesSchaublitb That would be quite interesting as it's assumed that whatever model you use is a model that is valid for all time.
Also energy isn't terribly interesting :)
 
And not coloured.
 
Well, quarks can have flavours so I don't have a problem with the colour of energy.
 
nobody knows what is outside of our room (if it is not infinitely large). perhaps some day it will collide with other rooms? and then expansion stops... we cannot know haha
 
7:31 PM
I'm tasting them right now.
 
You're eating quarks? You cannibal!
But quark flavour names are not names of real flavours.
Unless you count "strange" as a flavour.
 
But in what way is 'pink' a real colour?
 
It's a real colour.
 
Getting tired.
Point being, 'pink' doesn't have a physical definition either. It's language/cultural, just like up/down!
 
7:35 PM
Right, but I'm sure physicists would not use "pink" for a "colour". It's just too... not weird.
 
keep it safe my friend. some day you need it to safe our precious planet.
 
Anybody have recommendations on books/sites more on the art of writing C++ well? I've got the big giant reference book covered to satisfaction (that's where I usually like to start with a new language).
 
What's the big giant reference book? The standard?
 
If I ever get to name a physical phenomenon I'll call it Pinkstrahlung.
 
Complete Reference - Schildt
 
7:36 PM
AFAICT Schildt is not the best of C++ authors. But I never read that book, so I wouldn't know.
Anyway, I think a link to this is in order:
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Q: The Definitive C++ Book Guide and List

grepsedawkProvide QUALITY books and an approximate skill level. Add a short blurb/description about each book that you have personally read/benefited from. Feel free to debate quality, headings, etc. Books that meet the criteria will be added to the list. Books that have reviews by the Association of C an...

 
what about Pinkelstrahlung
 
Doh! Should have searched that. I thought they hosed all book rec questions.
 
I would be pissed off if they took that one down.
 
Thnx for the link. I've seen some online stuff from Bjarne and seem to remember liking his style.
 
lol @RMartinhoFernandes
 
7:41 PM
What did I say that was funny?
 
4 votes up and we can call it it's "the devil's bookshelf"
 
You know what? Don't tell anyone, but I just noticed I never upvoted that.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I thought you said "I would be pissed off if they took that name"
 
Now 3.
 
It's been favourited more times than it's been upvoted.
 
7:43 PM
lol
 
> Screw internet tutorials. Screw bullschildt.
lol
(found here)
 
It's weird. My expertise is primarily in JavaScript yet I find find C++ a lot less of a bear to study/mess with than C# or Java. Always liked Python though.
 
the lion is back
you better watch out :P
 
What? The Great Old Ones are coming to town?
 
lulz
I had to most boring day today
 
7:49 PM
me too
 
woah, I urgently need a job
 
but i think im going to buy beer, and change that
 
Damn! Buy dinner! I'll be back later.
 
maybe i should skip my last class for the week
 
say "I'm Tony the Tiger from Stackoverflow". I think your chances are better then
 
7:51 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb haha, you think so?
not when they read the chat transcript
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Where do you buy food at this hour?
 
@LucDanton food store
 
@TonyTheLion lmao
 
lol
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dammit!
lol
 
lmao
haha
ohh shit
 
7:57 PM
doesn't work :)
 
ah it did. but I missed it by far
 
i didn't know i could just upload pictures to the chat
what if somebody wanted to come in and upload a shit ton of porn?
 
been there, done that :P
worst thing that happens, someone flags you for it
 
haha did you get in trouble?
 
7:59 PM
we had some fun
 
:P
lolz
 
sbi got in trouble
 

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