« first day (91 days earlier)      last day (4859 days later) » 

7:00 PM
@DeadMG see this
pharao:sniffer jweyrich$ grep -r "\(TODO\|FIXME\)" * | wc -l
     230
 
rofl, pwned
 
@jweyrich "my version which works slowly beats your version which doesn't work, no matter how fast it doesn't work"
alternatively, "if 'working' isn't a requirement, I can write one that doesn't work and runs faster than yours"
 
@FredNurk everything that doesn't work can be simplified to a simple \x90.
 
void func() { /* doesn't work, but doesn't work ridiculously quickly. */ }
 
@DeadMG but it maintains referential transparency!
 
7:02 PM
lol
what even is referential transparency?
I did know a long time ago, I think
 
same inputs always yield the same output
(note yours is a void())
 
indeed
well you can't disagree that you can't vary no inputs and no outputs also cannot vary
 
@FredNurk pure?
 
therefore the calling of func() is exceedingly reliable
 
dunno there are various transparency terms around
 
7:04 PM
@DeadMG exactly
Referential transparency and referential opaqueness are properties of parts of computer programs. An expression is said to be referentially transparent if it can be replaced with its value without changing the program (in other words, yielding a program that has the same effects and output on the same input). The opposite term is referentially opaque. While in mathematics all function applications are referentially transparent, in programming this is not always the case. The importance of referential transparency is that it allows the programmer and the compiler to reason about program ...
 
you noticed my java question?
finally i discovered java also likes the C++ declarations
31
Q: Weird "[]" after Java method signature

Johannes Schaub - litbI looked at some Java code today, and I found some weird syntax: public class Sample { public int get()[] { return new int[]{1, 2, 3}; } } I thought that can't compile and wanted to fix what I thought was a typo, but then I remembered the Java compiler did actually accept it! Can some...

 
now for the wtf: "is allowed to place (some or all of) the empty bracket pairs"
 
UUOP. useless use of parens
lol
 
int[] get[][], lol
 
I always liked Java as a coffee.
 
7:10 PM
how about as a laval lam
lava lamp*?
 
i first wondered "hmm will it be a 2d array of [M] or an 1d array of [N][O] ?" haha
until i noticed I'm in Java mode
 
@DeadMG hmm. I think I'm too ignorant/dumb. Please, explain.
 
never mind
 
@DeadMG I bet if I was a woman you'd explain it. Racist.
 
java = isle. java = lava spying. lava lamp = good for office + coffee
lol
 
7:14 PM
@sbi We could also write german words with english pronunciation. Van Doo fur's taste wuss each mine ;-)
 
uh
don't you mean sexist?
 
@DeadMG oh, that's the correct term. Apologies.
 
I would explain it if you were a woman
that I was trying to entice to join me for longer
otherwise, I wouldn't anyway
 
Okay, we can stop here. lol
 
Women aren't interested in C++ (with tina being the obvious exception).
 
7:16 PM
When I grew up it was very popular with "crazy english" jokes, English with the words interpreted as Norwegian and/or vice versa
 
and they accuse men of being simple-minded sex machines
 
@Fred tina has progressed to installing Code::Blocks
Like, english "speed" = norwegian "fart", and english "crash" can be norwegian "smell" (big bang)
 
sbi
@FredOverflow O.M.G. That took me several minutes to crack.
 
@sbi just create a second account
 
So one was, like, it's not the speed that kills, it's the crash
But, it was childish, yes.
 
sbi
7:19 PM
@FredOverflow And why would you want to meet with an unknown 175rep C++ creep?
 
@AlfPSteinbach that's progress, I suppose; I remember the first time I saw tina here...
 
@AlfPSteinbach from what I saw, the language is still the main barrier. Where is she from?
 
Pakistan, now living in Korea
 
@AlfPSteinbach What did she use before code::bollocks?
 
Visual C++ 6.0
 
7:23 PM
Isn't code::blocks written in Delphi?
 
@sbi Is your face well-known in the C++ community or only your name?
 
No, it's written in C++. DevSOmething was written in Delphi
Code::Blocks is successor to DevSomething (I can't remember the name)
 
@AlfPSteinbach Ah, right! I mixed with Dev-C++.
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb That would be a good reason to avoid Frankfurt, no? (BTW, there was a committee meeting a few years ago in Berlin. I remember having a beer with Alisdair Meredith and Dietmar Kühl one night.)
@FredOverflow Neither.
 
@sbi Then just come to the meeting and dont say your real name, what's the big deal?
 
7:25 PM
The odd man out... :-)
WHO'S THAT?
 
sbi
@FredOverflow I dunno. I don't remember making a big deal out of it.
 
(Nah, I'm not "sbi", just a stranger passing by)
 
You can do what I do and appropriate someone else's name. There is some poor guy out there who is really named James McNellis, and I'm making a lot of enemies for him.
3
 
@JamesMcNellis LOL
 
@sbi ohh nice
 
sbi
7:28 PM
@Johannes What? That I didn't make a big deal out of it?
 
My real name is Bjarne Stoßtrupp.
 
that you met those guys
 
sbi
@FredOverflow ROTFLMAO!
 
Ok. No need for you to know that :P
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb Oh, I see. Dietmar I had met before, at a conference in Erfurt. There, over a beer, Erwin Unruh told the story of him coming up with his famous prime number meta program. Late in the evening, we realized we were all Germans (I remember only Nikolai Josuttis), so we switched to German. Apparently, despite their inner clock being hours behind, the Americans had all gone to bed early. :)
I had asked Erwin how Bjarne reacted when Erwin showed him his program. As an answer, Erwin covered his eyes in the universal gesture meaning "I'm not seeing this monster"...
 
7:33 PM
lol
 
Do any C++ "celebrities" contribute to SO?
 
Eric Lippert
well
 
(Bjarne with 1 answer doesn't count.)
 
sbi
@FredOverflow stdlitb
 
I guess he's a C# celeb
 
7:36 PM
anthony williams is here too
 
Though he is more of a D celebrity now, Walter Bright posts on Stack Overflow somewhat regularly.
 
herb sutter was/is and dave abrahams is/was here too
 
@JohannesSchaublitb links please
 
sbi
@FredOverflow lmgtfy?
 
sbi
7:38 PM
@JamesMcNellis Haha!
 
sbi
2
Q: Why do user pages not show up when searching through user pages?

sbiYesterday, when I went to http://stackoverflow.com/users and, in the text box marked "Type to find users", entered "bjarne", this gave me 5 users, none of which was the one I was looking for. So I used google, which found me the user page I was looking for as the very first hit. Why is this?

 
both are registered i think
 
Dave and Herb both show up though.
 
wow
and I was feeling good about my 18k rep :(
 
7:39 PM
Alexandrescu?
 
@Johannes, that hand on your shoulder is really scary!
 
it's not up to date. 5 years old. i don't have three hands anymore
 
@JamesMcNellis oh nice.
 
7:40 PM
3 answers by Herb Sutter doesn't count!
 
sbi
@JamesMcNellis He's another C++ genius lost to D. :(
 
@JamesMcNellis ohh good finding!
 
@FredOverflow I tried to get him to come back. He hasn't come back. I hope I didn't scare him away.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb ?
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Also, your list of Hobbies is missing Haskell
 
7:43 PM
my last edit to my homepage was 4 years or so ago
 
oh but i looked at your homepage (blog) and no picture
 
@Alf i'm at johannes-schaub.de
 
I recently discovered how @JohannesSchaublitb improves his answers SO DAMN quickly. He's a fortunate programmer with 3 hands.
2
 
thanks. definitely gripping.
 
7:46 PM
I found a picture of Alf:
 
@JohannesSchaublitb I'd point them directly to the proof, but I don't think it's necessary. Bad photoshop (or paint, or gimp).
 
That which has been seen cannot be unseen :'(
 
sbi
@JamesMcNellis Anyone reach me the brain bleach, please? Please!
 
7:49 PM
On that note, my computer is demanding that I turn it off before it runs out of electricity.
 
@sbi That implies something nefarious. Are you, like, Dr Evil in real life?
Or worse … MY MATH TEACHER from high school?!
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph I'm definitely not a math teacher. I always understood all the math required from me, but never saw any beauty in it...
 
In analytical mathematics, Euler's Identity, named for the Swiss-German mathematician Leonhard Euler, is the equality :e^{i \pi} + 1 = 0\,\! where :e\,\! is Euler's number, the base of natural logarithms, :i\,\! is the imaginary unit, which satisfies i2 = −1, and :\pi\,\! is pi, the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter. Euler's Identity is also sometimes called Euler's Equation. Beauty Euler's identity is considered by many to be remarkable for its mathematical beauty. These three basic arithmetic operations occur exactly once each: addition, multiplication, and ex...
 
sbi
My father, who studied design, remembers one math teacher who told them: "Gentlemen, it might be enough for artists, but you to seriously lack imagination to be mathematicians."
6
 
This is one that I consider beautiful, but only understand 14% or so
 
7:54 PM
@sbi I love that quote. So beautiful
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph It's better in German. ("Meine Herrn, für Künstler mag's reichen, aber für Mathematiker haben Sie zu wenig Phantasie.")
 
Great, now @sbi has stunned everybody into silence with his beautiful artist/mathematician quote!
 
sbi
I'm very sorry.
(But to be fair, I've contributed almost half of the discussion in the last 20mins.)
 
@FredOverflow Actually, I’ve been reading up on the whole conversation since I was gone (got a new haircut :D) … and I’m totally stunned by the fact that so many prominent C++ members appear to be German … and trying to puzzle out who of them @sbi is :D
 
Apparently there is a very funny C++ joke floating around: "Why doesn't C++ have Garbage Collection?" - "Because then nothing would be left." How on earth is that funny?
 
sbi
8:06 PM
@KonradRudolph Definitely none of the prominent ones. Anyway, as I've said before, you're certainly free to figure out my identity, but please refrain to do so in public. I've hit the Usenet more than 10 years ago and google knows things about me I'd rather have deleted. That's why I chose to remain anonymous.
 
@sbi With real identity, nothing more bad happens than a few screwballs following you around on the net. Some people may think you're bad because you have occasionally been human. But it's not something to lose sleep over.
 
sbi
@AlfPSteinbach Well, at least not if you stick to technical topics like C++...
 
How is C++ not the nastiest thing in the world? ;-)
 
@sbi That prompted me to google my name and now I’m depressed. There are only two types of entries: (1) Stack Exchange profiles, and (2) sites completely unrelated to me
a few months ago, there were at least a few high quality hits for my name
 
@sbi point :-) but really.
 
sbi
8:18 PM
@KonradRudolph Unfortunately, that's very different for my name. Google's first page only has one wrong hit, everything else is genuinely me. (And google even suggests my fully name once I'm halfway through typing my last name. <sigh>) Unfortunately, not everything linked there is C++, and some of it (e.g. full address and phone number) I'd rather not have linked there at all. (And let's not speak of some of the Usenet results on further pages...)
 
@sbi It does that for me, too, but only because it logs search habits. Does it still do the auto-suggest in a private browsing session?
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph Yup. :(
 
wow. Not bad. A Google notoriety. ;-)
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph But I really have no idea why people search for me.
 
@sbi Well, neither do we. “sbi” only yields “State Bank of India” and somesuch
 
sbi
8:23 PM
@KonradRudolph Yeah. I made sure of that when I started to use this one. :)
 
I wonder about the "profiles" that recruiters stumble over all the time. Like, where is my profile. Never seen it myself.
 
Whoa. Googling for my full name (2nd & 3rd name) yields completely different results. I never knew … no wonder my Google hits are so crappy
 
By the way, this is me:
(Probably thinking about templates or something...)
 
sbi
@FredOverflow That reminds me of Scott Meyers, who, in clc++m, once said "of course, my hairstyle calls into immediate question all the judgments I make". :)
Or something like it, anyway.
 
I have no hairstyle, only hair :)
 
8:30 PM
@sbi At least he’s not oblivious to his own lack of hair style :D
 
I couldn't care less about Scott Meyer's hair. His books are awesome, that's all that matters to me.
 
@FredOverflow Since you’ve unmasked yourself anyway, why not put up a profile picture on SOFU?
Even @sbi has a face one can talk to
 
sbi
Nov 1 '10 at 8:40, by sbi
I haven't put much thought into it. But when I started chatting, I started to dislike those made-up wannabe-mandalas, because I can't tell one from the others.
 
@KonradRudolph I never bothered. Does anyone read these profiles?
 
sbi
@FredOverflow The above I said when @Prasoon asked what my gorilla is all about.
 
8:39 PM
@FredOverflow I do, quite regularly actually. I have a unhealthy obsession with other programmers ;)
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph I have a hard time telling your mandala from @DeadMG's.
 
Gravatar german:
 
@sbi Nevertheless, I adore gorillas. After all, they’re our third-closest (?) cousins.
 
> Alles, was wir brauchen sit Ihre E-Mail Adresse!
 
all sits well that ends well
 
sbi
8:42 PM
@FredOverflow I use an English FF, so many sites throw English at me. (Some apparently infer my German origin from my IP, however.)
 
LOL, looks like Gravatar does not like b/w pictures:
okay so does that gravatar image automatically get used in my SO profile after a short delay? Or do I have to configure something?
 
@FredOverflow Automatic, after ~ 24h I think
uh, scratch that, it’s live
 
sbi
@FredOverflow If you used the same email address as you use for SO, it just works.
@KonradRudolph Yeah, I see it, too.
 
@sbi i did.
@sbi you already see my picture? i don't :-)
 
sbi
Refresh you browser page.
 
8:53 PM
they wondered whether i would go for the Scott Meyers look too on this post comments: stackoverflow.com/questions/3229883/…
 
@sbi Ah, "Internetspuren löschen" did the trick :)
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb I remember that one!
 
@JohannesSchaublitb I believe my hair is way longer than Scott's. (Not that it matters, though.)
 
sbi
@FredOverflow What are you talking about?
 
@sbi ohh nice
@FredOverflow indeed. the pic has evidence xD
 
8:55 PM
> actually litb means "let it be", so it's the right corner already!
Really?
 
sbi
@FredOverflow They are probably not longer than mine, though. :)
 
@sbi F5 didn't work to see my picture, I had to clear everything in my browser
In the Opera browser, that menu reads "Internetspuren löschen"
 
@FredOverflow you look closely like one of my study colleagues!
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Is he a smart guy? :)
 
sbi
8:57 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb Psst! Now you blew it!
@FredOverflow And what does this do??
 
@FredOverflow he finished his bachelor with 4 semesters instead of 6. he can do so much stuff the same time it's fascinating xD
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb If he has long hair and can truly multi-task then he is a she.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb So he’s not on Stack Overflow then ;)
 
sbi
9:00 PM
@FredOverflow Oh, now I see what you're talking about! Sorry.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Okay, you have three hands, but that guy has two persons!
 
@sbi i don't understand :)
@FredOverflow ahaha
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb You weren't addressed anyway! (That's one problem with this chat interface. it requires you to use your mouse. And I often fail at that.)
 
i just looked in the history of your message and it just shows ":250470" as the "old" message. i wish it would show the nick instead
I always thought of @JamesMcNellis as the shiny star when he had his old pic back then
 
sbi
9:15 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb Those numbers are the very last part of messages' URLs. The URL is shown to me by FF when I hover over the v arrow that appears left of any message.
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb Look at any message in your browser. Hover your mouse over the space between the gravatar and the message. A down-arrow (v) appears. Clicking on it shows the message's action menu, among other things offering a permalink to the message. It's that arrow I'm talking about. Hovering my mouse over it makes FF show me the permalink to the message in the status line, thereby revealing its ID.
 
@sbi I see.
 
sbi
@Johannes Doing so reveals 250470 to be the message right under the one my message now links to.
 
indeed
would be better if it just showed the nick name tho. or maybe a tooltip with the nickname or something
 
sbi
9:26 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb Agreed.
If we now could persuade @DeadMG and @FredN to use gravatars, most of the frequent users wouldn't use those hard-to-tell mandalas anymore.
 
uh what?
what even is a gravatar?
 
@sbi I think we should replace Mandalas with Mandelas.
 
sbi
(I just realized that @oraclecertifiedprofessional doesn't sport his straw hat gravatar anymore, but switched to a mandala.)
 
sbi
@AlfPSteinbach Alf, are you in there somewhere? Need help getting out?
 
9:31 PM
that reminds me of a particularly ick level on The Legend of Zelda
owned by Daisy
 
sbi
@DeadMG Anyway, a Gravatar is an image that you load up at gravatar.com, indexed by the email address SO knows you by. Then your mandala is replaced by that image.
 
what do I do to make SO reflect it?
 
@DeadMG nothing. it just works.
 
sbi
@DeadMG You wait.
FredO just waited about 10mins.
 
oh ok
 
9:35 PM
@DeadMG the image you put on gravatar is used by all sorts of websites including google gmane and such
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb Oh. I didn't know it was that common.
 
i was surprised too
cpp-next.com has my pic on my comments i put there :)
 
oh SBI
someone came up with a way better idea for the chat room
instead of C++::Lounge or C++<Lounge>, it should be Lounge<C++>
 
@Dead: I see your doggy gravatar
 
I don't
it's my puppy
and I'd love to see it
 
9:38 PM
Refresh browser
 
i see it too
 
yay
 
sbi
@DeadMG I do. Refresh your browser.
 
just done it
 
sbi
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Show us your Gravatar!
 
9:39 PM
I can post the larger version if you want
 
sbi
@Johannes Using the ID from a message's URL, you can even reply to yourself.
 
@FredOverflow cool
 
@sbi Make that a plural so that it sounds saucier
 
@JohannesSchaublitb ahaha
 
9:42 PM
otherwise no interesting people will ever be in the channel
 
sbi
@sbi Interestingly, this automatically generated message's action menu has all of a regular message's clickable menu items, but that none of them seems to do anything.
@KonradRudolph And what about those that are here now??
 
@FredOverflow Recursion! Did it work?
 
sbi
@FredOverflow See, this is a typical problem in a programmer's chat room. You show how a feature works, and people immediately set out to break it. (And in the C++ chat room, they succeed within minutes.)
@FredOverflow It does work, but only after the chat server has actually seen the message. It seems refreshing the browser isn't enough, editing did it, though.
 
@sbi Eh
 
9:46 PM
does the public data dump include chat protocols?
 
sbi
:250540 I wonder whether this would work with a permalink, though...
 
it would be interesting what users talked the most intensive together in the chat rooms as a dot graph
 
sbi
@sbi Wow, this did work immediately for me!
Maybe the chat server first needed to get the hang of it? :)
 
ive no idea about all that. this is too deep into rocketscience
 
sbi
Hi, @Elalfer I hope you're not going to try to interrupt us trying to figure out the more esoteric corners of this chat software by asking any C++ questions? <raises_eyebrow/>
 
9:49 PM
@KonradRudolph The next sentence is a lie
@KonradRudolph The previous sentence is true
Damn
 
damn you guys
 
what are the mod flags for?
 
I should be working
 
Don’t we all love Gödel, Escher Bach?
 
9:50 PM
yes, in fact i'm re-reading it for the umpteenth time. got half-way.
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph Dammit, I was just about to try this (it's the next logical step, isn't it?), but first i needed to get one of my kids to bed, and now you've been faster...
 
@sbi It actually works. Pretty cool ;)
I’ll send @balpha a bookmark link
 
sbi
@JohannesSchaublitb Just try it, it pops up a message box first. (I tried on your message, of course. :))
 
or, the answer may be MU
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph What for?
 
9:52 PM
Duh. Back to serious: is there a listing/directory of the bookmarked conversations?
 
sbi
@AlfPSteinbach You're enigmatic.
 
@sbi Because he (and Marc) wrote it … maybe he wants to see the Schindluder we’re playing with it
 
@sbi Cor, thanks
 
@AlfPSteinbach how does the mod queue works? will every mod get all the messages, and the first mod that approves a message makes it go away from the queue?
 
9:53 PM
"@KonradRudolp can never truthfully communicate that this sentence is true"
 
sbi
BTW, @Elalfer, I didn't want to scare you into silence. If you have a C++ question, shoot. We're just bored here...
 
@AlfPSteinbach That sentence is an infamous lie!
 
sbi
And I was shooting for a star with that snide remark. Which I got. :)
 
@JohannesSchaublitb We just check if there's a suitable number of messages pending. Then whoever asks for e.g. 10 messages get the first 10 messages. In some cases need to go in and process some other mod's messages, e.g. due to spam filters doing havoc.
 
or will you get messages for like 8 to 15 GMT and the US guys get messages for like 1 up to 9 GMT?
oh i see now
 
9:56 PM
@KonradRudolph Well, as far as I'm concerned, it's clearly a true sentence.
 
sbi
@AlfPSteinbach There is some automatism with trusted posters involved, however (even if you would never admit that in public) right? Otherwise there'd be no explanations how some messages of otherwise well-reputed posters could have ever made it through moderation.
 
@AlfPSteinbach Yes. My reply was a recursion fail. Duh.
 
sbi
(Ha. I just realized that I made something like you did to Konrad, only more complicated!)
 
(I wanted to create a contradiction. Well, that didn’t work out.)
 
@AlfPSteinbach he wants to trick you!
 
sbi
9:59 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb I didn't want to. I did. <beg/>
 

« first day (91 days earlier)      last day (4859 days later) »