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8:00 AM
@StackedCrooked Anyways, on rusty spinning disks you'll have to wait close to 30 seconds:
 
@DeadMG what's being discussed?
 
sehe@desktop:~/custom$ time (echo boost*.bz2 | xargs -trn 1 -P4 tar xC /mnt/TEMP/q -f)
tar xC /mnt/TEMP/q -f boost_1_41_0.tar.bz2
tar xC /mnt/TEMP/q -f boost_1_42_0.tar.bz2
tar xC /mnt/TEMP/q -f boost_1_49_0.tar.bz2
tar xC /mnt/TEMP/q -f boost_1_53_0.tar.bz2

real	0m28.682s
user	0m28.891s
sys	0m3.529s
 
not even sure, but they're masturbating about how to phrase... whatever exactly it is
 
@sehe Ah, I definitely need to get SSD.
 
totally considering just leaving and curling up somewhere else and then working further on my papers
 
8:03 AM
Note that reducing parallelism to 2 jobs only increases the time taken by ~3s (showing how the time is dominated by disk seek).
However, a single archive measures 7.7s to extract on ext4, which is a far cry from 7 minutes on Win7 and hefty hardware (i7,SSD) /cc @jalf
@jalf lol
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Curl up in EWG plx!
 
I can't
they kicked me out
 
What?
 
lol?
 
Why did they kick you out? :c
Aren't these meetings open to the public?
 
8:07 AM
because there were too many people in LEWG and not enough in LWG.
that's why I'm in LWG and not in LEWG
 
@DeadMG LWG is library, right?
 
yeah
 
Xeo
@DeadMG EWG != LEWG :P
 
and LEWG is "new library"
 
@DeadMG oh
you were a rebel, huh
 
8:08 AM
So what's on the agenda for LWG?
 
but this morning, they're basically both co-meetings of both groups to process papers which were accepted for C++14
 
fighting for kicking dynarrays to the orbit
 
@jalf AFAIK, it's dynarray, optional, and... something else.
 
Lol
I tried to build 2 things at once
 
@ThePhD dude. Do you have disk matrix? :/
 
8:10 AM
?
 
well disk/storage matrix? Doesn't it ring a bell?
my point being don't clog your poor hdd
 
Oh, it'll be fine.
I'm just building x64 and x86 Assimp at the same time.
And running lots of chrome.
And... playing Dark Souls.
Hm. One of these processes are going to have to buckle...
 
Poll: is anyone here interested in modern physics/nanotechnology? I have a nice article from yesterday.
 
Oooh, Dark Souls
 
@BartekBanachewicz Only the entire chat.
 
8:12 AM
Mawning fellas
 
@jalf Isn't that the game you play almost 24hrs a day? :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz You'd have pretty strange C++ if your compilation wasn't CPU bound
 
random image with no context or explanation = fail.
 
8:13 AM
@TonyTheLion Nah, it's the game I played almost 24hrs a day for a few months
 
ok
 
Although the scary thing is, I checked my steam stats for the period, and while I played a lot of Dark Souls, my most played game was... FTL :D
something like 100 vs 125 hours
 
so basically you could have dropped a link instead, since your summary and image are worthless
 
@DeadMG IOW cell phone battery charging in seconds, also minimal in size cc @TonyTheLion
 
@jalf heheh
 
8:15 AM
Produced by creating sort of capacitor of extreme surface based on the nanospheres surrounded by metal in production.
 
@BartekBanachewicz that is entirely meaningless to me :(
 
My consern is the current
If my calculations are correct and these guys don't lie, it would be around 7k amperes in charging
Also, they said this battery could jumpstart a car, meaning around 15kW of power (again if my calculations are correct)
 
I doubt a general wall socket could provide that much energy.
 
Could use some more delete votes: stackoverflow.com/a/16099740/85371
 
it's only for a second, though
point is, in theory they can be supercharged, but discharged steadily
 
8:17 AM
@jalf FTL: Fuck That Life?
@DeadMG You do? I don't!
 
@DeadMG Typical installations can supply 5-10kWatts
 
a wall socket here is 13A, 230V
that's only about 3KW
 
@DeadMG Buzz
 
@sehe fucking template library
 
Finally
Assimp built
x86
Now for x64
 
8:20 AM
@DeadMG i meant complete home installation. My parents' apartment has 10+10+5 Amperes
 
We have 6x16A fuses but a 40A ground circuit breaker
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Been thinking more about ranges. Don't suppose you recall what I had previously?
 
Git?
 
still, it's only for one second
 
You mean that design with a cursor in the middle?
 
8:23 AM
@sehe It was a rough thing. But I agree that I should have done something more with it.
 
Yeah, you'd need... a charging device that accumulates it first.
 
Xeo
Hm. We were wondering why a certain screen in our game was just... empty. Turns out Flash decided (not for the first time) to just set the height and width of the constrain to 0.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Er, no.
 
@Xeo :D
AS3 da best.
 
actually, I just wanted to check that in your experience, the "bad" ranges were Java's bool HasNext() and T MoveNext(), and C#'s "good" ranges were T Current and bool MoveNext
 
8:24 AM
Ah, finally.
With Assimp, this should get a whole lot easier.
... I hope. :D
 
in general using libraries helps, y'know
 
@DeadMG Implementation-wise I found the latter to be easier to write new ones, yeah.
 
yeah
it concerns me because I have a Java-style range right now and I also found it to be not as trivial as expected
but when I look at the C# range the concurrency issues concern me
 
@BartekBanachewicz Meh, maaaybe. It depends.
For example, using a Physics library is greatly helpful.
However, rendering libraries are.. .... ... interesting.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It took me ~12s to shake the image of a mouse pointer ↖ or caret (why is there no UNICODE CP for those?)
 
8:26 AM
@ThePhD fucking bad FTFY
 
600km or more are good ranges
 
I'll probably use assimp as a DLL.
However, it's license clause means I can also statically link it with no problems.
 
more problems with optional at the last moment
 
shooting ranges are nice too
 
@DeadMG Not sure what you mean. I don't expect ranges to offer any thread safety.
 
8:27 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes So each thread should basically copy the range and use a distinct copy.
 
My only concern, I suppose, is that static linking fucks up things with ASLR and other security / address-related things.
 
@DeadMG optional problems: the best kind
 
@ThePhD ~security~
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Doesn't that depend on what kind of ranges we're talking about? Light-weight proxy ones won't care that they were copied, you'd have to materialize them first.
 
@DeadMG I don't see a problem. (Note that I don't think having containers be ranges is a good idea)
 
8:29 AM
@Xeo The Standard Library already mandates thread-safety between copies for all objects.
@R.MartinhoFernandes OK, I just wanted to confirm.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Mmm. Do you think it's bad to have them 'act' (or: 'be treated') as ranges?
 
Xeo
@DeadMG So you'd need extra machinery in the ranges like with shared_ptr to provide basic thead safety
 
yes
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well yeah. That and LGPL will have my head if I static-link anything that even sort-of-half-way-talks-maybe-a-little-bit about LGPL.
 
@sehe I need to get to work now, but the discussion with Luc about it is on the transcript.
See you after the break.
 
8:32 AM
Thankfully I've been sure to make sure the only libraries I ever touch are zlib or even more liberal than that (public domain, like LZMA).
@R.MartinhoFernandes have fuun! :D
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Not sure how I feel about that...
 
@ThePhD at work.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Work can be fun.
 
@ThePhD you don't have a job, right? :)
 
@Xeo It's either that or "Lock on every range operation".
 
8:33 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
@BartekBanachewicz Work can be fun.
@martijnburgers Mmm. Easily. I mean, I love R# code generation tools for that, but too often, fleshing out proxies is a bad code smell to me
People celebrating C# - yay. People celebrating it for all the wrong reasons - nay
 
@BartekBanachewicz Not at teh moment.
 
@sehe I love my job. It's just I like coding my projects more.
 
My next job starts in 2 months though.
 
@ThePhD summer something?
 
Yeah
Then I'll be going back to work.
(on my own stuff)
I'll probably still work on my own stuff while I'm at my internship...
 
8:35 AM
@ThePhD any well-known company?
 
Though, funnily enough, because I didn't apply through a recruiter and I put my application in through the regular pool of people, I actually got hired as a FTE (full time employee) rather than as an intern.
 
I have to start doing it to people ^
 
("yeah, this let's me write more dependency injection cruft without even breaking a sweat! I can generate useless comments at a touch of the mouse! Yay, let's have all members alphabetically sorted or #regioned up by visibility instead of, you know, maybe grouping them logically for maintainability? etc.)
 
Xeo
@ThePhD Nice?
 
@Xeo not exactly. He prolly doesn't want to work after summer
 
8:36 AM
@Xeo Nice indeed, I get some of the niceness of FTE until they realized I was an intern.
 
@ThePhD At Intel, the only difference between an intern and FTE is $$$, and I mean only
That's why I don't like when people say "meh you're an intern"
 
I always take the hardest software projects on the table, if I'm not already assigned one.
In this case though I can bet my bottom dollar they'll have me preassigned to some lame project.
No details on what I'll be doing exactly (they never tell until you get there and start), but it's going to be related to either regular game programming or working with improving a game engine.
If it's the second I'm going to jizz my pants.
I'll also be able to peek at their netcode, see if I can learn something that way. :D
Also, hm. A few searches seem to overwhelming indicate that dynamic linking is the way to go.
 
dynamic linking sucks
 
@ThePhD meh
@ThePhD well, it may also turn out that their code sucks
 
I think my dependencies, though, don't really require dynamic linking.
 
8:42 AM
I was talking with Playsoft Senior Engineer and local tech lead
 
Bullet, FBX, assimp ... ... and zlib. (LZMA is still bitching out)
All of that can probably be statically linked, no problem.
 
I solved the puzzle he gave me with <type_traits>, and he was like what
"We used sizeof"
Their C++ Lead couldn't bother to learn C++11
 
@BartekBanachewicz ohhh a package, what's inside?
 
@BartekBanachewicz C++11 is pretty fresh and I'm willing to bet their codebase is on the older side.
 
@TonyTheLion Nexus 4 :3
 
8:45 AM
While they could compile with a C++11 compiler anything they're familiar with is probably the plain old C++03
 
@ThePhD that I can understand. I can't understand the fact he doesn't know shit about it and isn't even interested
@ThePhD MSVC 2012
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well, MSVC isn't tooting the best C++11 features...
 
@ThePhD that's hardly my point
 
I even ran into some issues using it's type_traits, because it didn't have =delete or =default for constructors and stuff.
 
@BartekBanachewicz :)
 
8:46 AM
@ThePhD what
Also that's not my point are you even reading?
 
@BartekBanachewicz std::is_move/copy_constructible
@BartekBanachewicz Oh. Well, I'm just saying his job doesn't require him to be interested: in fact, it's probably better that he's not interested while maintaining the C++03 code base.
 
@ThePhD no, that's fucked up attitude
 
Shrug.
 
I maintain C++03 project, but I know a little bit of C++11
 
@ThePhD Shrug is a fucked up attitude too. :)
 
8:48 AM
@jalf spot on
 
I'm not in the guy's head. :c
I'm jsut providing some rationales.
 
but yeah, I wouldn't trust someone to maintain a C++03 codebase if they have no interest in the C++ language
 
@ThePhD "tooting"?
 
@jalf my main cowworker told me yesterday that he dislikes operator overloading because complexity (he's a java guy, but works with me on GLES features in C++)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit touting, tooting, it may be just a Vernacular kind of thing.
 
8:50 AM
MSB8008: Specified platform toolset (v110) is not installed or invalid. Does this mean that I have to install some other version or MS Visual C++. I currently have the 2010 version.
 
@ЯрославРахматуллин depends
 
Yes, 2012 version.
 
@wilx maybe v100 can still compile the code cc @ЯрославРахматуллин
 
@BartekBanachewicz ugh, but even then, there's a huge difference between disliking a feature, and not caring to know that it exists. :)
 
@jalf exactly.
 
8:51 AM
@BartekBanachewicz I'm trying to build your QuadTree
 
People often dislike C++ features because they think of the ways they can be misused
 
@BartekBanachewicz Not really.
 
@ЯрославРахматуллин oh lol. Should've said that in the first place.
 
The thing with C++ is that you have to assume the programmers are willing to put effort into writing good code, which may be wrong in many cases
 
@ThePhD actually it's your inability to spell
 
8:52 AM
Couldn't I just install a separate toolset?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Oh, well okay then. :D
 
@ЯрославРахматуллин I kind of put this project aside, and went for straight array approach. That being said, I hardly suspect any C++11 features there. Lemme check, and plese just try to switch toolset to v100. Project Options -> Platform Toolset
 
@ЯрославРахматуллин Change your platform toolset to v100.
 
I couldn't give two fucks about <type_traits> and I'm a perfectly good C++ developer capable of maintaining our C++03 codebase, tyvm.
 
@ThePhD wait wait
don't tell him to install anything if it's not needed really.
 
8:54 AM
Pfffooo...
Have to build Assimp 4x times for static now.
The worst part is, CMake seems to have no conception of Build Configurations.
 
okey, @ЯрославРахматуллин, if you want, mostly range-for loops would have to be changed. I just ran v100 compiler on it myself. Anyways, if you are willing to upgrade, best way is to just get VS2012, Express is free of course.
 
I don't know why it doesn't just make an x64 Configuration
instead of demanding I make an entirely new folder, reconfigure, regenerate, open the separate solution, and build it.
 
Where is this "Project Options" page? I'm sorry, not at all familiar with this IDE
 
hmm
thinking about leaving Bristol today
 
@DeadMG Is the conference over?
 
8:57 AM
no
but most of the rest of the time is scheduled for people who aren't me voting on things I already voted on
 
Xeo
EWG :'(
 
But you could learn something. D:
 
Hm. got it. screenshots were a little different than what's here..
 

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