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6:00 PM
Nah I'm not asking for help, just ranting :p
 
but us knows education for sure, my guess is that us have 50% of all noble prices all time
 
@JohanLarsson we're a country of extremes. Some of us are crazy intelligent, some of us are unbelievably stupid. We've got the fittest, we've got the fattest.
and so on
Also, the Noble prizes were founded by an American, weren't they?
 
I read that China has the highest average IQ with a pretty healthy margin
@Billdr a Swede
 
I read that China lies.
 
I would not be surprised to find out that us lies at times :)
 
6:03 PM
Here's my logic on that: If the Chinese were so smart, why would they be willing to do factory work for $.25US/week?
 
@Billdr might not be as simple as that
 
All governments lie, especially when they're trying to make themselves look better.
 
In the past their way of ding things has been < optimal
 
@JohanLarsson Any excuse you could come up with I'll say, "A country of smart people wouldn't be in that situation."
 
@Billdr a population of smart people is still a herd
idk, don't remember where I read it, can prolly find other sources with different results
 
6:06 PM
I heard the same a few weeks ago - it was in the news I think.
 
not very interesting either
 
I also heard Apple (and foxxcon?) are pulling out of China.
 
@Billdr They are coming to Brazil ._.
They are already here.. But not at full power..
@JohanLarsson I think because of the amount of suicide attempts is making them lose a lot of money there...
 
The association with China gives Apple a bad brand image in the US, and they don't get a lot of sales in China to justify it.
That probably doesn't help.
 
6:08 PM
Brazil is the worlds sixth biggest economy I think
 
Are the first two still the US economy and the US economy outside of the US?
 
I predict that Apple s going to fall from now
@Billdr EU, US, China I think in that order
 
@JohanLarsson Yep, everything here have a lot of taxes but we have a lot of ways of getting money from the bank and pay long time..
So, we pay a lot of money for things that we can't afford now, but we can pay it if we have banks to help..
 
This article includes a list of countries in the world sorted by their gross domestic product (GDP), the market value of all final goods and services from a nation in a given year. The GDP dollar estimates presented here are calculated at market or government official exchange rates. Several economies which are not considered to be countries (world, the EU, and some dependent territories) are included in the lists because they appear in the sources. These economies are not ranked in the charts here, but are listed where applicable. The figures presented here do not take into account di...
 
We would be one of the greatest economy if it wasn't for the amount of corruption in our government..
 
6:11 PM
Last I saw there was a persistent employment problem in Brazil. Also, the wages were crappy for the people who do have employment.
 
Brazil is the worlds no1 oil producer now I think
 
Greatest beef too.
 
We got in that position because of one of our presidents that had just 4th grade and was a metalurgic ( don't know if that word exists, but it is the guy that works as a peon on a factory )
 
It's like Texas, but bigger.
The labor union guy, sure... but there was a problem before him too
 
Yeah, we had 16 years of rich guys in power..
With them, we had one of the biggest taxes of all time, one of the biggest debts of all time..
And one of the worse education of all time..
But the rich guys got richer
And now that they own half of the country they always want to fuck labor guys up..
 
6:13 PM
You guys are still a young democracy. Once the old generals finish dying I suspect things'll get better.
 
Yep, the leader of the senators in Brazil is one the biggest guy in corruption scheme..
 
...if the people stop voting lesser primates into office.
 
And he is reelected everytime because he has money and pay people in his state to vote for him..
But this guys that have money, always try to find corruption schemes with the labor ones..
So they can get reelected and get more money..
 
Something something I'm back something something women something containing orgasms something @JohanLarsson 's mother
 
The biggest problem with Brazil? Laws..
 
6:15 PM
Tião
 
@Pheonixblade9 hej
 
If I kill 1000 people, rape 100 women, rob 10 banks and explode 1 building..
All I get is 30 years in jail
And if I be a good guy in jail ( pay a lot of money ) I can leave within 10 years..
So people don't fear prison..
And we have a lot of criminals in the street...
Most prisioners leave for some holidays to visit family and such..
And they don't have any supervision..
The ones who come back, comes back because of free will..
70% never returns..
So, the law here is flaw..
 
well it's three square meals and a roof, right?
 
In prison ?
 
yea
 
6:18 PM
Well, my sisters boyfriend was arrested and spent 3 years in prison.
 
here in the US we have people giving "robbery notes" to the bank, then just waiting until the cops get there
 
He had 1 meal and a cell with 50 guys in it..
Here in Brazil we have people that produces TNT to blow ATMs so they can rob money from it..
 
50 guys who don't see women in the same room for 3 years. You said there's no fear of jail?
 
People don't fear jail..
 
With the aforementioned lack of supervision.
 
6:19 PM
Most of them can still deal drugs and plan robbery in the jail
They are protected in there..
brb
 
Pst, guys? I don't want to go to Brazilian jail.
Don't tell Andre, he'll think I'm a sissy.
 
Plus with Brazilian jail, you can shorten your sentence by reading books
 
no 50 men in one room 24/7 did not sound like vacation
 
Ugh, imagine the reek of dude in there.
no ac, tropical heat and humidity, 50 guys, one room with (I imagine) poor ventilation.
I just gagged a little.
 
@JohanLarsson speak for yourself, honey ^‿^
 
6:24 PM
@Pheonixblade9 It's your java background speaking
 
@JohanLarsson I just did a spit-take.
 
@JohanLarsson pshaw, I write Android apps, deal with it. You're just jealous that I can walk into any company, demand a job, and get it :P
 
Yeah, us poor .NET guys have to limit our searches to companies that don't suck.
3
 
Anybody using the Emacs keyboard emulation in Visual Studio?
 
6:28 PM
I work as a .NET developer, silly! and my company rocks!
I decided not to do Android 'cause I got a good offer here and Android is still in the "WE NEED A ROCKSTAR/NINJA/GURU/UNICORN" phase of job-seeking
 
@Billdr urbaned spit-take, did you mean 1 or 2 :)
I'm gonna fade out for a while now
 
$urban spit-take
 
Hello guys one question... I am .net Developer... is learning python will be useful for me ?
 
I hear good things about python, but you should probably try ruby instead
 
Learning Python is almost always useful, just not necessarily for a job involving only .NET.
In a .NET environment, you're almost better off learning PowerShell.
 
6:40 PM
@TravisJ why ruby not python... any specific reason
 
Python is great. It doesn't really augment .net at all, but it's a handy tool to have if you want to write a script in 30 seconds.
 
@ShotgunNinja hmmm
 
Python is good because it isn't necessarily tied into any specific high-level language, but can be used with just about anything in relatively few steps.
 
@Billdr yeah... Actually I heard that google uses python for backend processing and as its high level language it is speedier....
 
Not to mention the syntax makes a lot of common things almost trivially easy, and the language has a number of features from other high-level and scripting languages that make it work well with language interoperability.
 
6:43 PM
@ShotgunNinja right..... so it will be always plus point to have python knowledge ....
 
@PratikBhatt I'd believe that. I seem to remember that Reddit is on Python.
 
@PratikBhatt, Google doesn't use Python in back-ends because it's not fast at all
 
@PratikBhatt On that same note, Facebook uses PHP to generate and compile C++ code for their backend. Look up HipHop.
 
back
 
but it does use it for its front-end services
because it's convenient
not because it's fast
 
6:44 PM
@zneak thnx... buddy .....
 
Python does a lot of fancy HLL-style things, like loose or strict type checking, lambdas, regex, and all the trappings of OO.
 
room topic changed to C#: Other programming languages. goo.gl/sw1w5 [.net] [asp.net] [asp.net-mvc] [c#] [entity-framework] [linq] [visual-studio] [wcf] [wpf]
 
thanks @Billdr
 
We're a .NET shop and we use Python here quite heavily. We have some super low resource environments (like 128MB/1.0Ghz) that we need it to run on
 
How well does Python do on those, and what is it used for?
 
6:49 PM
128 MB, 1 GHz? sounds like a wii lol
 
@zneak VMs
@ShotgunNinja I can't tell you that, unfortunately :)
It does ok, though. It's the only thing they found that would run on them
 
@PratikBhatt - Ruby is pretty cool. It has a lot of the nice c# features like dynamics, reflection, inheritance and polymorphism. It also has "Ruby on Rails" which supports an MVC framework. Very nice language to work with for online development.
 
@TravisJ I would like to try Ruby. It looks like it has Python style syntax, too.
 
It does have similar syntax to Python.
And, Ruby's "standard 1.8.7 implementation is written in C", which is to say it has good roots :D
 
Crysis 2 is 75% off this weekend on Steam.
Is it worth $5 or whatever that works out to?
 
7:01 PM
I wish I had time for gaming :(
 
$10
Damnit, quit reminding me I have other crap to do.
:(
 
Today, the most significant thing I did was delete half of a customer database.
It's only 2:04 :(
 
I wrote half of three initalizers!
 
the most significant thing I did today was get a flat tire fixed on my bicycle
 
At least those are good things.
 
7:05 PM
haven't done much today, almost crashed my car in a mud slick last night on a county road though =/
 
Oh, and I found out I checked in a build breaker yesterday.
I smirked when the guy who usually does that came over to me to complain.
 
2 inches of mud on the road in a 55 mph zone 40 degree turn... dafuq
 
we have a donut policy here, if you break the build you have to bring donuts
 
I like the custard filled ones
 
this makes everyone look forward broken builds
 
7:07 PM
I'd deliberately break the build.
 
@Billdr - Since you never break the build you should start the trend and bring in donuts tomorrow :)
 
run over to duder's desk and put a semicolon in somewhere.
 
@Billdr or a couple of //
 
Do like me and type S when you mean Ctrl+S, and 5 when you mean F5.
 
7:10 PM
If you never save or build then how would it break anything?
@Billdr - Just go to the application entry and delete all the using statements. :P
 
Oh, I missed the "significant things we've done today" bit?
I'm writing up a report on why a piece of code I wrote is generating "erroneous" values. Only one of the 4 bugs so far was my fault.
 
Whenever I 'hack' a user's password, it's the highlight of my day.
 
Oh man.
Wtf is this grey hat shit
 
Totally white. Well, sorta gray. Shit, it is black, isn't it?
But it's only for work purposes.
 
You hacked a user's password. Pretty sure that's at least gray.
 
7:16 PM
Only to get in as admin!
 
White intentions, black methods - Sounds grey to me.
 
I absolutely hate how vs2010's search dialog picks the value of the word the cursor is on
 
Also, I alternate between spellings of gray and grey.
 
even with no selection
 
there were a couple of compromised pw databases in Sweden last year, turned out that turd was the fifth most common pw 'bajskorv' in Swedish
 
7:17 PM
Oh lovely. Bet that went over swimmingly well.
What was the most common, I wonder?
 
123456?
 
$translate porn to swedish
 
Wow, that's the combination on my luggage.
 
i guessed
 
Jerk ~_~
Also, @KendallFrey, it doesn't appear to be working.
 
7:19 PM
dat feel when the thing you've been working on for a month has ACTUAL DATA in it
from services that YOU WROTE :D
 
Oh, I know that feel.
 
@ShotgunNinja not supposed to lol
 
The problem is when it gets corrupted.
@KendallFrey ah.
 
A month is nothing. Nothing.
 
True facts... It took about 11 months for my SDL project to control a robot from a webpage.
 
7:21 PM
That feel when the cloud over your head for a year is almost done, then you get told that you need to add a feature to it that amounts to about half the size of the existing program.
 
i ish back
 
And by control I mean we hacked a bunch of stuff together.
 
went on a javascript spree sorry lol
 
@KendallFrey yeah.... I know that feel, too.
There's always more to do.
 
hey @TravisJ
 
7:22 PM
hello m44 :)
 
That project is the bane of my existence. I wish I could just transfer the whole thing to /dev/null.
 
we do some crazy shit here with SQL... we have several places where one sproc reads the execution plan of another sproc, modifies it on the fly, and regenerates and runs the entire thing
 
So, an artist walks up to a businessman after 3 years of painting, with a 3'x2' framed canvas depicting part of a beach scene. The businessman looks at the artist, and says, "Cool. If I get you more canvas, can you paint the rest of the beach?"
that's terrifying, @Pheonixblade9.
 
That feel when you see the username/password is provided on the ticket. After hacking it yourself.
 
LAWL
THAT'S A STAR RIGHT THERE
 
7:26 PM
 
when is a sproc ok and why? I'm clueless when it comes to db
 
sprocs are okay when you need security and need to hide query implementation details, but they're not okay when you need to modify a query or a database structure frequently.
 
yeah, but they are pretty freakin sweet as far as speed is concerned
I wish all my queries were sprocs
 
I thought they were frowned upon
 
The only problem with them is they then are permanent until changed.
 
7:29 PM
You know what's not sweet as far as speed is concerned? Cops.
 
It's not easy to change a sproc on the fly, afaik.
 
'Permanent until changed'. Yes, of course.
 
@KendallFrey - There is a raceway like 30 mins from me :)
 
Once you do so, however, they're super fast for repeated use. It's like the difference between interpreted and compiled code.
raw queries are interpreted, sprocs are compiled.
 
lyk, srsly?
 
7:30 PM
stfu, you know what I'm getting at.
 
I do?
What are you getting at?
 
@TravisJ just went on like a javascript spree...relearning everything lol
 
@m44m31 - lol nice! javascript is rad
 
They have the same sorts of problems as using a compiled programming language, like C++, versus an interpreted language, like C#. I was making a comparison.
 
yea its awesome
 
7:31 PM
No, C# is RAD.
 
was thinking about relearning python as well
 
lawl @KendallFrey
 
@m44m31 -
(function(){
 //use a closure to hide variables and speed up garbage collection
})();
 
@ShotgunNinja Wuuuuut? C# is compiled.
 
into .NET bytecode, which is interpreted.
 
7:32 PM
Nope, nope.
 
or rather, into MSIL
 
Which is then compiled, not interpreted.
Albeit compiled at runtime.
 
@TravisJ i tend to over complicate things so if i wanted to hide id just link javascript with in another javascript lol
 
Fair enough, if you want to get technical about it. The matter still remains.
 
That's right, because you cannot destroy matter and energy.
 
7:34 PM
i can
 
Matter is energy.
 
@ShotgunNinja tell me about it. Especially because that bit of functionality runs our most powerful feature by far
 
@ShotgunNinja Yes.
@m44m31 Alright, destroy my power supply.
So I can go home.
And my cellphone, so I can get a new one.
 
@m44m31 - I don't care how far you "hide" :P If you are in the global namespace and do undefined = 42; you will probably screw some stuff up. Or what if there is a script that uses var target and you just named a function target? Use closures, they help to reduce namespace collision.
 
@KendallFrey come to ga
 
7:35 PM
No, I'm at work.
 
where at?
 
Somewhere in the continental US.
 
Well, I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm just explaining why it's normally frowned upon. However, your system transcends that by rewriting compiled code in an at-runtime manner, and redeploying it. It's a risky and complicated method, but it yields crucial optimizations when deployed.
 
ill work on it
getback to you when its done
Magic(KendallFrey.Destroy);
 
Not me, my pow
 
7:37 PM
woops did i do that outload xD
 
OMG A SLEIGH
3
 
if i destroy you then i dont have to worry
 
OMG FUCK YOUR SLEIGHS
:P
@ShotgunNinja yeah, it's very scary, but very fast
 
Did you know you can star messages without being in the room?
 
yes
i just did
 
7:41 PM
@Pheonixblade9 BTW, you stole Kyle's idea.
 
@KendallFrey what's that?
 
F_cking sleighs.
 
That sounds dirty.
 
It was disturbing.
 
agreed
 
7:45 PM
So, what disturbing things have happened recently in your life?
 
I got a bug report which claimed two values were disparate when they shouldn't be. I went back to reverify this, and got two entirely different values.
 
In this example, how would you guess the token is generated? https://clientwebsite.com/webservice/process?token=j4khgjh3kgh3gkhlklh54gk
That is literally all the information I have.
 
That's also disturbing.
 
Um, keyboard pounding seems most likely.
 
Obviously, it's a hash function of some sort, which may indicate a session object, personal code, or encoded index value.
Is this a quiz question or a bug report, @Billdr?
 
7:51 PM
@Billdr - hj34hj33h4j43hlhl
I think I missed a few k's... lkjh43kjh4hl43kjh5
 
wrong chat sorry
 
in JavaScript, 59 secs ago, by Kendall Frey
in C#, 42 secs ago, by m44m31
http://www.codecademy.com/
in JavaScript, 59 secs ago, by Kendall Frey
in C#, 37 secs ago, by m44m31
wrong chat sorry
suck. it.
 
@ShotgunNinja It's a bug report. The bug is this vendor's documentation sucks.
I get the feeling it's just a string meant to look like a token.
 
Anyone heard about this:
 
and that's what they want us to use for validation.
 
7:54 PM
considering modernizing my navigation...
 
@Johan - Thats Clifford the reindeer.
 
It is a semi famous local thing, there is a tradition that people try to burn it every year
even if they risk prison for it
it burned lat night
but maybe it's not commonly known outside of Sweden
 
lame =/
 
How does a tradition involve prison...
 
7:56 PM
It doesn't seem like a global tradition, for sure.
 
it's really strange, don't know the reason
it is very local
 
I've never heard of "burning a yule goat" as a tradition, so no, it's not commonly known, afaict.
Sounds fun, though.
 
The Gävle Goat (known in Swedish as Julbocken i Gävle or Gävlebocken), located at Slottstorget ("Castle Square") in central Gävle, is a giant version of a traditional Swedish Yule Goat figure made of straw. It is erected each year over a period of two days by a local association called the Southern Merchants in time for the start of advent. Another version is erected by a group of students from the Natural Science Club of the School of Vasa. The Natural Science Club's goat holds the world record for the largest Yule Goat, but since 1994 the Southern Merchants' goats have been larger a...
 
Europe is crazy.
 
there is a timeline that is a little lol give that it is a xmas decoration in a democracy
burned, burned, ht by a car ...
 

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