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Ell
12:13 AM
AGHHHHHH NOT AGAIN!!!
 
qox
Tomorrow I'll finish the server and start with the template engine.
@Ell Sup?
 
Ell
Ugh girls mums seem to have a strong hatred to me, preventing me from talking to their daughters at the first opportunity
 
qox
What an asshole.
 
Ell
But seriously twice? In the space of a year?
Pisses me off is all
Grr. Oh well I have to sleep now. See you another time :)
 
qox
Later & good luck.
 
12:33 AM
@Ell Most mums consider 'on meeting for the first time' as the 'first opportunity to talk'. Waking up with them before exchanging a single word does not really go down well.
 
qox
If you prohibit your child from talking to a friend, you are an idiot and the only thing you deserve is death.
 
@qox ..or prohibit absolutely your child talking to strangers. If they never talk to strangers, they can never win any friends.
 
sbi
1:13 AM
@JerryCoffin No, actually I just thought you'd make a good room owner. But there's some merit to what you say, I have to agree to that.
 
sbi
1:24 AM
Dis rume iz deade.
 
1:42 AM
@sbi Woah, what are you doing up at this time?
 
2:33 AM
Alright.
I have a Mercurial Repository set up.
I have no Dropbox.
I am on the path to being a great coder.
Also @MooingDuck MANY HAPPY YEARS, BROSEPH.
 
If all you wanted was to set up a repo I could have told you about hg init!
 
It's not jsut a repo. I needed a place to actually put it.
I'm not hosting it off my own box; I don't have that kind of capital or dedicated internet connection.
But yeah. Bitbucket and fun stuff and I ended up having to make my thing a DLL anyway.
Okay, I don't get it.
` template class TVector2<float>; `is apparently an invalid explicit instantiation template. But the one on MSDN's explicit instantiation example looks like this:
` template class MyStack<int, 6>; `
 
3:32 AM
Hey, I finished Borderlands 2. And let me say that the story is much better this time around.
 
3:43 AM
@sbi Wow -- things are way slow tonight. 2+ hours later, your message has only scrolled halfway up the screen or so. Anyway, here's to owning the room! :-)
 
All three of the NA owners are here right now. But there's nothing to own tonight. :)
 
3:55 AM
@Mysticial Wheee...we all own each other. The renaissance of slavery has begun!
 
@JerryCoffin room ownership is like rep points. it's an artificial thing set up so that you "need" it in order to fix artificially created "problems". like, wanting to fix silly description
> i am not understand what do indo
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Yeah, sort of. I was actually an owner before, but did darned little as an owner. On the other hand, I did a few things that it's probably good I was an owner, because I'm pretty sure I was the only owner present at the time, and they probably did need to be handled pretty quickly. The main thing I remember is getting rid of a fairly disgusting animated GIF (apparently intended as porn, but not even mildly titillating, IMO).
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Ummmm...what? Where did that come from? And by the way, are you up really late, or really early?
 
@JerryCoffin someone who has difficulty articulating their problems. and it's like "really early"
 
4:12 AM
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Hmm...this is the second night running that you've been up at ungodly hours, isn't it?
 
well yeah. i sleep when i feel tired. i'm not doing much else than recovering from surgery and waiting for next round. :-)
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Ah, that helps explain some. When I was recovering from knee surgery (~15 years ago), my sleep cycle got thrown thoroughly out of whack. Am I allowed to ask what sort of surgery it was (and will be)?
 
Reminds me of when I had my wisdom teeth taken out... I was out for a while... There were complications - couldn't eat anything but liquids for days.
 
@Mysticial Oh yish. I got lucky enough to not have wisdom teeth.
 
@JerryCoffin it's a guy from iceland, and he cuts off large swathes of skin off norwegians, with a laser (like in star wars, he even calls one of the machines "3PO"). in my case a like 10x10 cm in right armpit. next time he'll take the left, then other parts of body.
 
4:21 AM
@Cheersandhth.-Alf um... that sounds... should I say a bit... how do I describe it...
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Now I'm really intrigued. What is this intended to accomplish?
 
@JerryCoffin it's a surgical removal of infections that failed to response to medication
i was on a months long cure once used for tuberculosis
with a combo of two medications, one which was supposed to flush out them nasty bacteria/whatever, and the other meant to kill them. i was supposed to get blood in my urine and read tears like christ. but nothing happened.
"respond", not "response"
argh
i think it's paradoxical that i often get so worked up about merely un-smart people on SO, while I use a lot of time IRL on helping actual morons
maybe it has to do with just bumping into them at high speed here, one does not understand their motives and situation then
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Yikes. That sounds distinctly unpleasant. (Hmm...with understatement like that, I could almost qualify as English, eh?)
 
That sounds like a mess you're going through. I don't even know how to describe it.
 
@Mysticial well at times it's painful. and smelly and ungood when you get blood and puss in your clothes. and it also attacks muscle so it feels like you've finished a triple marathon and with me it restricts arm/shoulder movement severely (which can be embarassing when you can't hoist up your pants or reach for a comb)
it is, of course, a sign of getting really really old, when u discuss illnesses & so forth
 
4:33 AM
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Years ago, I spent ~3 years working with (using the PC term) developmentally disabled people. Before that, I was young enough to believe I was a genius, and that justified my being an asshole. It was a sobering experience, and I think I probably grew up more in that three years than the previous 20.
 
Whooohaaaaaaa.
D3DX10 in VC++ 2012 is it's own party!
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Discussing diseases only puts you into "really old". "really really old", is when you get to the point that even basic bodily functions become worthy of discussion (as in being utterly sincere saying: "hey, I heard you took a crap in less than 20 minutes today. Congratulations!)
 
@JerryCoffin That's.... really scary.
 
@JerryCoffin My grandparents are at that stage. It's depressing... At any minute I can get an emergency call to go home. And it's been like this for me for the past 6 years now and will stay that way until... well you can guess.
 
4:39 AM
@Mysticial My condolences. Thankfully my extended family is nightmarish, so I don't have to feel anything if any of them go. But it sucks when you have people you like that are like that.
 
@ThePhD They're in their 90s. So it's expected.
 
^ Did anyone post that yet? Sci-fi data storage on glass slivers, from Japan.
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf How much space* can that hold?
I can imagine it'd be ideal for Motherboards who need to retain their BIOS settings for eternity and beyond.
 
it says the prototype can hold 40 megabytes per square inch. but one might expect that go up like Moore's law. so.
 
So in 20 years, SSDs can kiss my ass?
 
4:44 AM
@Mysticial Expected, but still not a lot of fun.
 
@JerryCoffin For this generation, I'm lucky since my parents are willing and able to support them. But I'm an only child. So when my own parents reach that age, it's gonna be tough.
 
@ThePhD Doubtful -- they haven't said anything about write speed, and their only mention of reading is with an optical microscope; it's not clear there's really a practical method of reading or writing as yet.
@Mysticial You need to find something more...lucrative to compute than Pi.
 
@JerryCoffin Which is why I'm still in school. :)
 
@Mysticial Speaking of which, how are things progressing on your managing to stay in school?
 
@JerryCoffin I'm qualing in a little over a week from now.
That'll make or break everything.
 
4:52 AM
@Mysticial I thought it must be getting pretty close. I really hope you do well.
 
Thanks! An all or nothing deal...
 
@JerryCoffin Wa, you're an owner? Since when?
 
@EtiennedeMartel I nominated him after daknok left. sbi added him a day later.
 
@Mystical Get married, share the burden!
 
@Mysticial Oh. @JerryCoffin Congratulations!
 
4:56 AM
@Mysticial Was that it? I didn't even realize. I knew @daknok left, but didn't put it together with my being added.
@EtiennedeMartel Thanks. My personal guess is that it was done in the hope that I'd start to act a little more mature and responsible -- not much chance of that though. :-)
 
@JerryCoffin You were already the unofficial next-in-line. So the question was whether to re-add jalf or Fred. Or add you.
 
@Mysticial Well, at least I don't have to work on my "I coulda been a contenda!" impression. Good thing -- I've never been good at impressions.
 
I just had one of those really huge 'I'm a big fat dumbass' moments.
Well, now at least it's working...
 
5:20 AM
A panda walks into a café. He orders a sandwich, eats it, then draws a gun and proceeds to fire it at the other patrons.

'Why?' asks the confused, surviving waiter amidst the carnage, as the panda makes towards the exit. The panda produces a badly punctuated wildlife manual and tosses it over his shoulder.

'Well, I'm a panda,' he says, at the door. 'Look it up.'
The waiter turns to the relevant entry in the manual and, sure enough, finds an explanation. 'Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves.'
 
5:32 AM
I found another, it's Australian, where "rubber" can mean (pencil) "eraser":
"do you have a rubber, Dick?" versus "do you have a rubber Dick?"
well anyway
@Mysticial jeez, have you started nominating room owners now? it's a heck of a devolution. starting with @sbi's silly power games of having the 10 most frequent, and of introducing rule of no opposition to being ousted, and so on. i think if it was all just to avoid a conflict then you'd not actively support that scheme, but merely tolerate it. it is ungood with dominance hierarchies, even with a self-proclaimed silverback on top.
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf "nominate" is too strong of a word. It was more like "Jerry would make a good room owner".
The whole most frequent list thing is in limbo right now.
 
@Mysticial we need room owners for one reason only, namely to ensure that the earlier mishap with ownership doesn't happen again. for that, it would be easiest to just make everybody who is here somewhat regularly, a room owner. making a social hierarchy out of it is so lame i have no good words.
and like jerry i used to be a room owner
 
6:39 AM
@DividedByZero There could definitely be, apparently jist there isn't. — H2CO3 1 min ago
^ This user has higher rep than me, yet has no notion of how things work, and apparently no reasoning ability. I think that proves that rep isn't a good indicator of ability. I think from that, it should not be regarded as important.
 
6:58 AM
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Tell me something new.
I think we've already established numerous times that reputation on SO is far from an ideal metric when measuring actual skills.
 
 
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sbi
8:57 AM
@Mysticial @R.Martinho and I met with @Xeo. We went to a pub that was closed (the robot said this has happened to him before) and found another one where we talked. After a while I suggested switching to another place, but that was already closed for the night.
This started an odyssey through the city, with everything either closed, or with smoking allowed, or bad or/and loud music, or... until I ran out of known pubs to try. Shortly after @Xeo gave up, I found found one. This made us end up at home at 2:30, with him in the bathroom first, and me using the time to check this room.
@JerryCoffin Your name came up recently when we were looking for room owners in other than European time zones, but two other ones were deemed to be here more regularly. When this new spot became available, yur name came up again, but no action were taken. So I just added you.
@Cheersandhth.-Alf For some strange reason room ownership seems to have become prestigious for some people. They aren't for others. (@jalf and @Tony recently gave up their spot on their own will.) You seem to belong to the first group. I am sorry, but I really don't feel like it's my fault that you didn't make it onto the list.
 
@sbi well you made me laugh after a bout of pain. well gorillas ain't that smart to begin with so maybe. but anyway
 
Can anybody here get a question migrated to serverfault?
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Q: Confusion about MX records

VivekI'm very confused by the fundamentals of DNS records (in this case MX records). Right now I have registered a domain name (let's call it example.com). This domain is configured to my linode's IP via their nameservers. The default MX record that is in the Domain Manager is 'mail.example.com'...

 
just for anyone who might become confused, i think sbi's social manipulation here is un-healthy. in reality he's not a silverback with lots of kids, he's just a nerdy kiddo from kasakstan
 
Really? LOL
 
sbi
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Self-proclaimed I am only a grumpy old man. The rest is made up by others. As I said, you might be upset about it, but I don't feel like I can do something about that.
 
9:07 AM
Do I not exist?
 
so, the gorilla pic?
 
sbi
@Cheersandhth.-Alf You are a Norwegian, you should know about trolling.
 
Alright, enough kids! Go to your rooms!
 
sbi
@Chimera I am in my room. Virtually. And really, I am, too.
Anyway, off to see if I can find something to feed a robot with!
afk
 
@sbi :-)
 
qox
9:09 AM
@sbi Bananas.
 
Xeo
Morning!
 
qox
Morning!
 
Morning!
 
Xeo
@sbi I was at home at around 3am. :( Missed the train and then the nightbus, both of which only run every 30mins.
 
@Xeo is public transportation there more popular than driving your own vehicle?
 
Xeo
9:22 AM
@Chimera Sadly, it isn't. It's still mighty popular. Also, I don't have a driver license.
 
9:32 AM
@Xeo Oh ok.
So I've been running my dual boot PC into Linux for so long that I just booted into Windows 7 have to now spend the next hour updating everything, several apps went to update and of course Microsoft wants to push several updates. :-(
 
@ThePhD You are big and fat?
 
Ell
9:48 AM
Morning all
It seems a lot of people here don't have a drivers licence
 
@Chimera How annoying is that! Anne has a laptop with Atom and a slow spinner. Its' not used every day & so when she does fire it up, the boot/update times are geological. M$...Kaspersky...Adobe...Firefox...
@Ell I don't have one either. In the UK, it's not compulsory to carry an actual, physical licence while driving and I lost mine:( My details are still spinning around on Govt. driver database, just never got round to replacing the card, (costs ££).
Actually, my card licence disappeard when my wallet got boosted at Stansted airport. I was at the gate, about to travel to Germany, when I realised I had no wallet, money, cards etc. I then could not reasonably travel. My bag had to be offloaded, delaying departure for 100+ pax. Presumably, I was not popular:(
 
Ell
Yes :/
 
10:03 AM
yesterday, by jornak
@GamErix [Warning - IDIOT DETECTOR] String matched - "M$"
 
Ell
People need to stop leaving their facebooks in. now another parent hates me. This is just getting rediculous :P
 
what's going on?
 
Ell
3 different girls parent hates me :p
When I haven't done anything wrong >.<
The 2nd two have been in the space of last night and this morning
Oh well, screw them
 
@DeadMG @Mysticial @R.Martinho & @Xeo have hangovers. @Ell is being hunted with shotguns.
 
Xeo
10:12 AM
@MartinJames Why would @Mysticial have a hangover?
 
^ The one-way bird (able to get in, unable to get out)
I think it's sort of terrified there, putting on a camouflage posture with beak up
 
@Xeo Why not - it's Sunday morning! (OK, copy/paste error).
 
@Ell Huh, what did you do?
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf When that happens here, I've been able to sneak up and trap them in a cardboard box, slide the box carefully over a towel and then take the lot outside for release.
 
oh, good idea. thanks!
 
10:39 AM
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Why unable to get out?
 
@NikiC /cc @Ell yeah that's most interesting...
@MartinJames mass plinking is rarely appreciated
@MartinJames how many of them were there, anyways?
 
@sehe We get one or two a year. Birds are like, really stupid and, no matter how many doors/windows are open, insist on flapping around the kitchen, hitting cupboards etc. We have to get them out, even at the risk of injuring them:(
 
@MartinJames I see. Just the one at a time then :)
 
@sehe Yes! It's not like we're being attacked en-masse:) In the case of jackdaws/magpies. I would prefer Anne to shoot them if holes in the walls could be somehow avoided.
 
@DeadMG wrong instincts for the situation
but there is mystery
 
10:54 AM
@MartinJames Whoa. American ? :)
 
ok that birds fly towards more light
but why do INSECTS fly towards more light
why don't they all end up in the sun, that way
i have never got a good answer to that
but lots of moths circling around nighttable light
 
@sehe Nope - Anne is from Derbyshire farming stock :)
 
Wokay. Sounds pretty violent.
 
Xeo
Morgen
 
10:59 AM
@MartinJames i get it that anne (the tennis-playing beer-drinker?) is your wife?
maybe?
 
@sehe Pests/vermin are an endless problem. We usually manage to get the birds out without injuring them, but not always:( Also, they fight back. Canada Geese blew our power lines & no power for 7 hours.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes and, how did it go?
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Yes, but darts player.
 
oh, sorry. harddisk laifure
 
11:01 AM
@bamboon Very well. I got the job.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes cool, so another german in the lounge ;)
when do you start?
 
As soon as all the arrangements needed are made.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Congrats, (I think:).
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes: A tip: Try to get rid of your curse. :)
 
@Xeo My curse? Everything worked fine once you went away. whistles
 
Xeo
11:09 AM
Yeah, I got the message from sbi. Meh.
And I even only got home long after you were.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Cool. What company do yet get to work for?
 
qox
At what salary? Robots are very cheap.
 
qox
Unless they use much energy.
 
11:21 AM
And those are really lousy ones.
 
qox
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's a one-time fee.
@MartinJames why would you ever shut down a laptop?
 
@qox I don't shut down mine:) Anne sometimes shuts down hers and, besides, restoring it from hibernation takes as much time as rebooting it :(( I will get her a new laptop or an SSD or something, eventually.
@qox They're like yachts: it's not the purchase that hurts, it's the maintenance that cripples you:)
 
11:37 AM
@qox this samsung beast asked me some hours ago to reboot because, as it informed me, it was a week since last time. i uninstalled that program. it was called "samsung fast start"
apparently it really liked to start the computer, its purpose in life
^ Repost, just because I like it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes gz
 
@DeadMG So, what about you? Have you rescheduled your trip?
 
yep
mb landing another job in uk soon
 
well especially the end, but it goes so fast by that one hardly notices
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Whoa! Axe murderer!
 
11:43 AM
@MartinJames huh? :-)
 
@DeadMG Ok, that's cool.
 
yeah, interwebs here is awful
 
qox
@MartinJames what about stand-by?
Restoring from stand-by shouldn't take more than a second.
 
@qox That would be slow. It takes less than a second for me.
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf 'Axe' = 'electric guitar', ' Axe murderer' = really bad guitar playing:)
@qox Did I forget to say that the battery is not much good either? :((
 
qox
11:47 AM
@MartinJames That's a different story. :P
 
Still cleaning up office. 'XML and Web Sevices' - bin. Shredder very hot, bags of paper waste everywhere. We have shedloads of shreadloads.
 
@MartinJames he's really good technically (as a music teacher he'd better be), and also musically i think
but i understand it was ironic
> i just didn't know about "axe"
 
Woot, new IOCCC winners announced.
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf We have axe-murderers on at the club on all-too-frequent occasions. There are some good bands too, so it's still worth turning up on open-mike nights or when some new band is on. Vice-Bishops next Friday - blues band, pretty good. Cavemen for beer festival next month - good & loud!
 
heh where you at?
middle england?
 
sbi
11:56 AM
@Ell You spaced them?
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf yes - 'Midlands'. Village of Sudbury in Derbyshire, near Uttoxeter town. Sorta between Birmingham and Manchester. Rural, but only 20 min from M1/EMA.
 
that's where all those BBC "small town" series are filmed, isn't it? green grass everywhere, nice folks, trees. and iirc monthy python weird walking sketch?
 
Silly walks.
 
sbi
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Actually, insects fly with the sun or the moon poking into their eyes at a specific angle. (Presumably, their compound eyes make this somewhat easier than ours.) Since celestial bodies are so far off, they can travel very far without the angle changing.
If some brighter light source hits them, their instincts will just assume that that's the sun and adjust the course. If that's a hot electric light, depending on the angle, they either spiral off, escaping the danger, or they spiral in, and die.
@Xeo That's what living in backwater suburbs does to you. :)
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf 'Ministry of Funny Walks' = 'our village club car park at 2am' :) Talking of which, I have to go there now. The rain-gutters need cleaning out, (and there's beer). Bye!
 
12:03 PM
cheers
 
Xeo
@sbi I blame my hunger and my lazyness to walk.
I got a quick snack at Ostkreuz and missed my train by seconds, and then left the next train not at a station from where I could comfortable walk in 10 minutes and be home, but a station after that where I missed the nightbus by a few minutes. :(
 
sbi
@Xeo Well, you didn't want to eat when we went to a place to eat specifically because the two of you said you were hungry. What did you expect to come out of this but trouble?
 
Xeo
@sbi Yep, got what I deserved there. :/
 
12:28 PM
lol
 
12:39 PM
@Ell You're gonna screw the parents, too? :)
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A: How to implement 3 <= X <= 10 in C++?

FredOverflowPersonally, I think all these operator overloading solutions are a bit over-engineered. How about two simple function templates instead? template<typename A, typename B, typename C> bool ordered(const A& a, const B& b, const C& c) { return (a <= b) && (b <= c)...

 
Xeo
@FredOverflow open ([,]), closed ((,)), half_open ([,)), half_closed ((,])? :)
 
1:39 PM
A range template with suitable factory functions is very nice for C++ range based for, and with a simple member function contains can do this thing very naturally also. Then, one generally very useful little thingy, instead of umpteen. But personally, so far I just write the conjunction (I think it has to do with Visual C++ not support the C++ range based for loop until quite recently, and I've been too ill to do much C++ stuff, like, maintain my blogs). — Cheers and hth. - Alf 22 secs ago
^ Example of me quoting myself.
 
1:52 PM
no, rly?
 
2:49 PM
yes
i decided to just answer it also, to provide more details. forgot to mention efficiency, but as i recall there's no abstraction cost at all with visual c++.
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A: How to implement 3 <= X <= 10 in C++?

Matthieu M.First of all: the Standard mandates that operator overloading involve at least one user-defined type in the arguments. Therefore X would have to be of a user-defined type. If it is, then it becomes possible, no issue. struct Integral { Integral(int i): _value(i) {} int _value; }; class...

@DeadMG ^
 
3:08 PM
oh, wrong link
it should be
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A: How to implement 3 <= X <= 10 in C++?

Cheers and hth. - AlfSince C++11 with its range based for loop, the easiest and simplest is a Range class template that in addition to supporting the loop, supports set membership checking, e.g. as a method contains. One obvious advantage is that with this approach there’s just one simple template, with multip...

 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Congratulation!
 
he's too busy working to read that :-)
 
Xeo
Nah, he's too busy flying home
No wait, that is tomorrow
Should be hanging out with sbi and his kids right now
 
hey
anyone selling shareware?
?
 
3:44 PM
I wonder how Boost deals with new libraries which are C++11-only
 
sbi
4:39 PM
 
@JerryCoffin Thank you.
 
sbi
@Xeo My kids are somewhere on the autobahn towards south. No, the two of us slept in, had a prolonged breakfast, then strolled went to Alexanderplatz and strolled from there to Bellevue, and now just got back. I am now preparing dinner. A great relaxing day, this is!
 
Xeo
Heh
 
sbi
@techno Of course! Where do you think shareware comes from, if not from people selling it?! Sheesh. Some people...
 
user1174868
Can anyone help me with a scheme question? Been working on this for about 5 hours and I haven't made any progress
 

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