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sbi
5:02 PM
@xeo, you around?
 
Xeo
Aye
 
sbi
You wanna meet tonight?
You know, come to the city, out of your backwater suburb, and stuff?
 
Xeo
Well, that is unexpected. But yeah, would be cool.
@sbi Psh, it's beautiful here. :P
 
sbi
@Xeo Yeah, it does tend to be beautiful in backwater suburbs, we all know that.
 
Xeo
I guess the robot will take part too?
 
sbi
5:05 PM
@Xeo Yeah!
 
Xeo
Coolio, where exactly?
 
sbi
@Xeo I think we could be in Prenzl'berg between 8 and 9. I still need to work out a few details, because I first have to get rid of those kids.
I should have given them to their mother already, but she is sick. However, she offered to take them for the night.
 
Xeo lives in Berlin?
 
Xeo
I do
 
sbi
@FredOverflow Well, not quite. He lives in a backwater suburb of Berlin. :)
 
Xeo
5:07 PM
Shush, you.
I may be close to actually living in Brandenburg, but I don't!
 
I have never been to Berlin. But I have compiled a ler.bin file once.
 
Xeo
lol
 
@Xeo The robot lives in Berlin as well?
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow He's here for a job interview he had yesterday, and he got the job.
 
sbi
Well, @Xeo, how do we do this? I relinquished my laptop to my old employer, and won't have a new one until Monday, so I have a hard time to find out you contact details right now. Can you send me a mail with a mobile phone number? (I can read the mail from my phone while we're on the way.)
 
5:09 PM
Right, I remember something about him having to learn German. What kind of job?
 
sbi
@FredOverflow Programming. C++.
 
cool
 
Xeo
@sbi Same mail as before?
 
Wen wollen wir als nächstes importieren? *g*
 
sbi
@Xeo Yeah. Can you do this now?
 
Xeo
5:11 PM
sent.
 
sbi
@Xeo Thanks.
 
Xeo
I don't know how long it'll take me to get there, though.
 
sbi
@Xeo From where you live? Probably all night. :)
 
Xeo
...
 
sbi
Seriously, would it be enough if we shout at you about an hour ahead?
 
5:15 PM
Heh.. I thought that Berlin would have S/U Bahn and, well, maybe some roads?
 
Xeo
I think so, IIRC takes me half an hour to get from here to S Prenzl'Berg
@MartinJames It does. It has a great infrastructure.
@sbi: sms GET
 
sbi
@Xeo Thx, I was just typing a question asking for that. :)
 
Xeo
I think you will need to instruct me on how to reach the meeting point from the train station, though. :P
 
I started reading Doug Lea's malloc, and the first 520 lines are pure documentation. Nice :)
 
5:38 PM
@Xeo Oh Cool!
@sbi: I see you got tired of being the oldest room owner, eh?
Does anybody know if the robot going back to Portugal for now, and returning to Germany when the job starts, or just staying in Germany? If the latter, I guess it'll be a while before his brother can drive again...
 
@JerryCoffin You're older than sbi?
 
@Mysticial I'm not really sure -- I think we're pretty close to the same age, but I suspect I'm a year or two older.
 
coffin's not his name for fun, you know
 
@JerryCoffin You can send keys via mail, can't you?
 
@FredOverflow Yes, but I never let facts get in the way of humor.
 
5:48 PM
> Version 2.8.6 Wed Aug 29 06:57:58 2012 Doug Lea
Oh, quite up to date his malloc!
 
@FredOverflow One of those rarities -- has been acknowledged as one of the best around for years, but he still keeps working to improve it on a regular basis.
 
> If you are using malloc in a concurrent program, consider instead using nedmalloc (nedprod.com/programs/portable/nedmalloc) or ptmalloc (See malloc.de), which are derived from versions of this malloc.
^ might be interesting for @Mysticial
 
@FredOverflow I'm aware of the high-level algorithms that are used in threaded mallocs.
They're messy.
Basically every thread has its own local heap space. All the small allocations go to that heap. Only the large stuff needs to acquire a lock to the global data-structure.
When you free(), you check if it's in your local heap. If it is, then you can handle it locally.
What I'm not sure on is how a thread can efficiently free memory allocated by a different thread.
If thread A wants to free memory allocated by thread B. Thread A would have to either lock thread B's heap, or somehow signal to thread B to free it.
 
is there a reason not to have one thread allocate everything, and other threads request that it get and release memory?
 
@cHao That puts all the contention into a single place.
 
6:00 PM
@Mysticial Try not to do it? I tend to use one pool of inter-thread comms objects for most apps.
 
The naive way to implement a thread-safe malloc() is to just throw locks around a non-thread-safe malloc(). But that doesn't scale.
 
@cHao It can work, as long as they're not using allocation much. Otherwise, can turn into a chokepoint that slows all the other threads.
 
seems if a thread can free another thread's memory, all the contention is in one place anyway...it just happens to be a very very big place. :)
 
@Mysticial It's not complex.
 
One way I can think of is that free() calls to other threads can enter a "lazy" work pool. So periodically, thread B can check that pool and handle all pending free() requests. That'll get rid of the need to excessively lock.
 
6:02 PM
@cHao If you per-thread allocation, no. To do that right, you end up with a fully-connected graph on the freeing side though -- i.e., each thread has a queue of items freed by each other thread, so the other thread can free with no possible contention.
@Mysticial Yup, that's pretty much the way to go. You can avoid all locking beyond an atomic swap.
 
Well. In VS2012, when the XAML Designer fucks up, it crashes, but it doesn't bring VS down with it.
 
@Mysticial Yes. I also came up with that idea.
you'd have to live with not particularly deterministic alloc times, but it would work
 
@DeadMG That's usually the case anyway.
 
I've used similar techniques for sharing other resources, like ID3D11DeviceContexts
 
If the local heap is has enough space, then you get it fast.
If not, then you need to go global. If global doesn't have enough space, then you need to go to the OS.
 
6:10 PM
the code I posted can allocate from an allocator thread-safely with only 1 atomic swap (I think) per alloc and free, for any size.
except if you have to go the OS, of course
 
The method that I mentioned with a separate heap for each thread and a lazy free queue requires no locks or atomic-swaps at all for local allocations and frees.
 
hmm
 
I'm not sure of the performance of atomic-swaps. But they aren't cheap - especially on NUMA.
 
then if we were to merge the two methods, we could get no locks or atomics for small ones, and one atomic for global/OS allocation.
but I'm not sure how the separate heap per thread thing works. I mean, you can't guarantee that for some random malloc call, the memory is allocated and deallocated from the same thread.
 
@Mysticial 'That'll get rid of the need to excessively lock' - and replace it with the need to excessively check?
 
6:13 PM
Okay, lemme summarize.
 
the summary- I'm waiting for it
 
There's a global heap that handles large allocations. All accesses to the global heap requires that it be locked.

Each thread has its own local heap and a lazy free queue.

Upon an allocation:
1. Check if it can be handled in the local heap.
2. If yes, do it. No locks required. You're done.
3. If no, acquire a lock to the global heap to handle it.
4. For every X calls to a local malloc, lock the lazy free queue and process it.

Upon a free:
1. Check to see if it was allocated locally.
2. If yes, handle it locally. No locks required. You're done.
 
step 3 can be reduced to 1 atomic operation
and so can 4 (per item freed)
but how do you do free 1? I didn't think that it was a thing that was easily done. Unless you put the thread ID in the allocated block, I guess.
 
are atomic operations slow? I mean they lock memory access for all cores, isn't it?
 
they're a lot faster than a full lock
but still hardly the fastest thing on the planet
but you can't get a faster synchronized operation than 1 atomic op.
 
6:22 PM
@DeadMG Each allocation can contain meta-data on which thread-id allocated it.
I suppose things will get a lot more complicated when you have threads being actively created and destroyed.
But let's leave that aside for now...
 
you could end up with memory from a thread that's destroyed
 
@Mysticial Hehe - I was just about to say - 'what happens if the id becomes invalid':)
 
@DeadMG Yeah. One way to handle it is to have the global heap inherit all the allocations to the destroyed thread.
 
that I've certainly never heard of
an allocator that can eat another?
well, I guess it shouldn't be that hard
just a few linked list appendings
 
@Mysticial Would that not require a locking mechanism on the local heap?
 
6:26 PM
nah
 
@MartinJames Well the thread is about to be destroyed anyways. So presumably the OS has already frozen all work on that thread.
 
nobody can be mallocing from the local heap whilst it's being terminated
but
that depends on the thread being created and destroyed by your RTL, no?
if you had a thread created and destroyed by somebody else, you'd be in shit
 
If the thread is improperly terminated, you'd leak everything that was in that thread's local heap.
 
yeah
 
@DeadMG What about the threads trying to return allocs to the free store that no longer exists?
 
6:28 PM
whereas my 1atomic op per malloc and 2per free works for any situation
@MartinJames Also a good point. You'd have to alter the thread id for every allocation atomically.
 
There's a lot of details that I've glossed over. I've never actually implemented a multi-threaded malloc. So I'm not sure of what other gotchas I've missed.
 
@Mysticial What you really have is a non-obvious inverse dependency: the thread needs a heap, but a heap doesn't (necessarily) need a thread. If you wanted to badly enough, you could reference count the manager, where a "reference" is any block of memory allocated from that heap.
 
Whatever scheme you guys come up with, I would have to test the shit out of it <g>
 
I completely think that my solution is best :P
 
@DeadMG I have to go now. I'll try to find the reason why your solution does not work tomorrow :)
 
6:37 PM
Quessstiiioooon
Well, sort of.
If anyone has heard of the half datatype (half-float), has anyone seen an implementation of it in C++ (that's not from OpenEXR?)
 
@ThePhD The Intel compiler provides SSE intrinsics to convert to and from half-floats.
But the hardware doesn't support them natively.
So the only benefit of half-floats is to save memory. And it comes with a performance hit.
 
Ouch. Well, I guess I'll just tell me CG professor to shove it for a little bit.
He wants us to save in .exr format,
but I'd honestly rather export a PNG.
So PNG it is.
 
Greetings
 
@Mysticial Unless you're writing code for a GPU -- most GPUs support a half-precision float natively, and can execute operations on them really fast (but, of course, not in C++).
 
And just to be balanced.
 
6:45 PM
@JerryCoffin Thankfully I'm not going to the CPU with it, it's just in-CPU memory. I just wanted it to say 'I can have it.'
 
@Chimera So Alaskans are normal then
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@DeadMG No they are idiots too! :-)
 
@DeadMG Palin's already sunk that ship.
 
@DeadMG Possibly -- and Hawaiians as well, apparently.
 
6:46 PM
Yeah the image should include all the states.
 
@Chimera Scott Adams had it right though: "Everyone is an idiot, not just the people with low SAT scores. The only differences among us is that we're idiots about different things at different times. No matter how smart you are, you spend much of your day being an idiot."
 
That reminds me that I failed going through a door today. I hit one of the sides.
 
7:14 PM
Anyone here developed for Ubuntu?
 
7:39 PM
Evening
 
@IDWMaster what do you mean? Ubuntu is not just a Linux, it's another sort of crap?
 
I need undelete votes please. The OP was mobbed into deleting their question but it is a very good, practical question that is anwerable. Unfortunately the mob while writing my answer and could not upvote and support the question.
 
@Griwes lol, I though he quit. :)
 
He was just encouraged to troll SO on ##C++ :D
 
7:45 PM
Gave him a couple of upvotes. Maybe that might have a 1% chance of making him come back.
 
@Mysticial wait, how can you upvote twice?
 
@Abyx It's a self-answer.
 
It's not bad form to undelete a question from their owner though is it?
 
[21:46:57] <tomalak> alright, fuck it, I'm back on SO
[21:46:59] <tomalak> dammit
 
@LucDanton No... we've done it before. And as soon we undelete something, we usually massive upvote it.
@Griwes Where's that from?
 
7:49 PM
@Mysticial ##C++ @ freenode
 
ah
 
I've seen questions rescued from the mob (happens so often tbh), first time I see the OP cave in though. Well, where the question is actually worthwhile.
 
what is the best graphics engine in sense of ease of use? which sorta allows to write a game in 100 LOC?
...after reading a 5-minute tutorial.
 
I'd like to be pinged if that question is ever undeleted so that I may post my answer.
 
@LucDanton ping :)
 
8:04 PM
Here I go. Another novel.
 
for non-volatile variables, is access from external threads still non-observable behaviour?
 
if it's non-volatile, value could be in a CPU register, so you couldn't get it from another thread
 
Hum, what meaning of access would that be? Writes from another thread are visible assuming appropriate precautions have been taken.
 
however maybe a write barrier could help here, if it affects non-volatile variables
 
@LucDanton Considering the case where it hasn't.
and I'm trying to decide if it's legal for the compiler to optimize away
 
8:14 PM
It is UB so yes. (As in yes the compiler can do anything.)
 
nice
 
Is it? It breaks the whole program, not just the variable.
> The execution of a program contains a data race if it contains two conflicting actions in different threads, at least one of which is not atomic, and neither happens before the other. Any such data race results in undefined behavior.
 
yeah, but that's fine, because I'm not trying to write an actual program, simply demonstrate
std::atomic is more powerful than I thought it would be
 
It's better than std::fossil.
 
damn
liveworkspace didn't return any values
does that mean the program failed at run-time?
 
8:25 PM
IME no.
 
trying to demonstrate the folly of assuming that sequential atomic operations are atomic
 
On the other hand you don't get the exit status back.
 
better to have an array of threads.. then I can join() them all before the cout.
 
You need to store the results of std::async outside of the loop.
There is a requirement that the future result of std::async calls get() at the time of destruction (which is not a requirement of std::future in general).
For 'safety reasons'. There's a proposal from Sutter to change that.
 
vector<thread> threads; for(...) threads.push_back(lambda); for(...) thread[i].join();
?
 
8:28 PM
Also, std::launch::async.
Well I'd use an array of std::future.
 
blimey
std::future<void>?
 
Although that is relying on the fact that the result of std::async is special, so if that proposal comes to pass that is a bad habit :p
@DeadMG Ya.
To get into the good habit though for(auto&& future: futures) future.get(); is enough.
 
you know
liveworkspace probably only gives the execution of those programs one core
so it's silly of me to expect a non-deterministic result from this program on there
 
Oh since you can't tell if an arbitrary future holds a result from std::async or not it's a good habit regardless. That's actually one of the motivating point from the proposal.
 
if only I actually had a compiler that had the Standard threading facilities
no <future> in VC11 RC
... or any of the Standard threading facilities
 
8:34 PM
I have no idea what you mean. My compiler is my brain, I always code in C++11!
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lol
 
thread_local sure is handy.
 
proving that a program always produces the correct output is one thing
but proving that it's non-deterministic is a lot easier
had to tread pretty carefully when writing about variadic templates too
so how long until we have boost::concurrent_queue<T> then?
 
@DeadMG yeah yeah. That ain't much anyway
@DeadMG until they sort licensing issues (?) to absorb libcds
Almost prime 1708823 == 17 * 100519
 
Hello.
 
8:44 PM
Hi new SO user
 
What’s up?
 
People with asthma give higher precedence to multiplication? :) — abarnert 48 mins ago
^ that was rather funny
 
@Abyx Ubuntu has some "quirks" to it that other Linux distros don't have like it's nice Package Management system, GTK, Unity, etc.
 
@IDWMaster lol
 
um
wat
 
8:45 PM
And every Linux distro seems to like it's own spin on UI programming (although most use XORG as a base).
 
@LucDanton Something wrong? :)
 
I am blessed with the talent of indifference.
 
@LucDanton Same thing.
 
@IDWMaster Frankly, they don't. All of them favour Gnome, except the KDE distributions, which have a specific audience. And all of those UI things can be mixed pretty freely (desktop integration -- now that's a different matter)
 
@sehe :D
 
8:48 PM
Ohai @NikiC
 
hey there @sehe :)
how's it going?
Oh, and in case somebody didn't notice: Python 3.3 is released
 
By the way; does anybody ever actually buy the commercial apps on the Ubuntu Software Center?
 
@NikiC I'm not actively using it. Any particular reasons to use it?
@IDWMaster I certainly don't
 
@sehe Why not?
 
@sehe Because Python is great?
 
8:51 PM
@sehe Nah, I'm not using Python either. I tried a few times, but was rather dissatisfied with it :/
 
@IDWMaster Do you? For me: no need for the paid apps. A browsers, MUA, text editor and compilers will be enough. Oh, and plenty libraries at fingertips. of course
 
@sehe No, but I have considered selling some apps on the store
 
Don't know, but Linux and paying for software somehow doesn't get together in my head :D
 
@IDWMaster I think it might work. After all phones and desktops grow together. There will be a generation of linux users that doesn't know better than apps are paid for :)
 
Though actually, I think I can drop the "Linux" part. Paying for software doesn't go into my head in general :P
 
8:54 PM
@NikiC I know; but for some reason there's a store now, and there must be some reason behind it.
 
pce
@NikiC i have one commercial Software in my stack, but I really don't want properitary apps. but i'm 100% free of properitary OS ;)
 
@pce Do you see a point to selling GPL-licensed apps? I've noticed there's some "pay-for" free software in there.
Really doesn't make sense
 
pce
Dual Licenses on the Desktop, i don't get it, too.
 
@pce I also have one commercial software in my stack, namely my IDE. But they gave me a free license, so I'm not paying for that either ^^
 
@IDWMaster Why doesn't it? You don't pay for the software. You pay for the support/development. It's a 'bonus' or 'donation' style, IMO
@NikiC For a second or two I thought you also had your own (built) IDE :)
 
8:58 PM
@sehe So how would you recommend making money off of Ubuntu apps? GPL or proprietary, and why?
 
@sehe Hehe, I'm not that crazy yet :) But, which part of my sentence made you think that?
 
@NikiC "namely my IDE"
 
@IDWMaster ah, I see ^^
 
ummm is it possible to display only readable files using the "ls" command on a linux?
 
@IDWMaster I'm really not qualified to recommend anything there. I'm not much of a money maker :)
@NikiC "namely my IDE"
Oh that was late ;)
@Beginnernato What is a readable file? You mean, accessible to you?
 
pce
9:04 PM
@Beginnernato $ ls -hal | grep "r--"
;)
 
Hmm.
Think I'll try the GPL route for Linux (with donation) and sell a proprietary version for Windows. If somebody wants to make a copycat it's fine but there version will be outdated when I release updates for mine :)
 
@sehe uhh readable to all (user,group,others)
 
@IDWMaster What kind of software are you releasing?
 
@NikiC Encryption software
 
@Beginnernato use find -perm 444 ?
 
9:06 PM
Encryption software? Encrypting what?
 
It's a GUI-based file encryption program, based on the IC80FS file system (currently proprietary, but I have rights to it and could make it free if I wanted)
 
@pce would that show files readable to all (user,group,public) ?
 
pce
@IDWMaster you can release it under a dual licence, GPL and a properitary one, like asterisk and mysql .
 
I saw that
 
pce
@Beginnernato yeah, if that fits for you.
 
9:10 PM
@pce Wouldn't that be more like grep -E '^r..r..r'?
 
pce
@sehe right. @Beginnernato wait, i was too fast. only the last r is others.
you can do that with egrep .
 
grep -E is equivalent and doesn't really on distribution specific symlinks to egrep,fgrep
Okay gents I'm going to continu on my plan to sleep more. See you tomorrow
 
@sehe Amazing.
I know many people (including myself) who plan on doing that, but I never heard of anyone actually doing it ^^
 
Truly remarkable it is indeed. I'm not sure whether I'll stick to it for long, but I'm going to have a try :)
People say it's healthier
 
@pce how exactly would it look with egrep ?
 
9:20 PM
... the same but without -E
 
@sehe ohh i see thanks! :)
 
pce
@Beginnernato with a regex, but as sehe pointed out, same with -E, you need a Regex.
 
dafuq is this "sleep more" thing
 
@DeadMG ?
 
pce
@Beginnernato why ls and not find?
 
9:26 PM
@DeadMG It's a way to get fewer waking hours :)
 
@pce since i just want to display a listing in the long form of all files and directories that are readable by all ( by user, group, and others) ... and wouldn't ls do that
 
@JerryCoffin @Mysticial I have had good results with libtcmalloc (googles perftools optimized malloc lib that does well with threading): Thread-Caching Malloc
 
@pce ls piped with grep*
 
pce
@Beginnernato yes, grep -E <regex>, because afaik ls has no option for that, its easy with find, like $ find . -type f -perm -o=r 2>/dev/null
$ find . -perm -44 ( -not -perm +11 ) -ls 2>/dev/null
 
Or if you want exactly and only r--r--r you should replace the mask 01444 by 01777
@Beginnernato snippet based on:
3
A: Directory recursion and symlinks

seheThe most frequently ignored API in this field would be nftw Nftw has options to avoid it traversing symlinks. It has much more advanced capabilities than that. Here is a simple sample from the man page itself: #define _XOPEN_SOURCE 500 #include <ftw.h> #include <stdio.h> #include &...

Really off to bed now
 
pce
9:44 PM
@Beginnernato $ find . -perm -444 -ls 2>/dev/null # 2> /dev/null to hide errors or take sehe's c++ code :)
 
@pce aha alrite thankss a lot! :)
@pce Umm another quick question ... i have the command ps | grep bash that lists current bash processes ... I wondering if there was a way to show this list in reverse way based on the process ID?
 
What is this.
 
pce
@Beginnernato `man ps`
`--sort Specify sorting order. Sorting syntax is [+|-]key[,[+|-]key[,...]].
sort=uid,-ppid,+pid`
 
@pce okay i'll read into it
 
pce
@Beginnernato i saw the --sort option of ps the first time, too :)
@CatPlusPlus a pointer to self ?
 
10:01 PM
Funny. Now stop pinging me dammit.
Also there's slight non-zero maybe possibility that I'll start using Mumble maybe.
 
@cat: mumble eh?
@cat thought you already used it from tiem to tiem
@cat someone still uses mumble anyway?
 
Are you drunk?
Well, I was talking about talking.
 
nope, just figured I'd ping you a bit
 
Shame on you.
 
It is getting early.
 
10:12 PM
Just tested Shootmania Storm. It's fun. Still very early beta though. </mylife>
 
@CatPlusPlus Cat you hungry? I'm good with my
leaves over here
@CatPlusPlus Also we tried Mumble with Alf, that was a downer.
@DeadMG You're not keen on spreading a collegiality feel around here. I ask in all honesty why are you not trying to bring any positive spin?
 
positive spin to what?
the message content is meaningless
there's nothing there to spin
it's just me repeatedly pinging the cat for a cheap laugh
 
Damn. Laughs are raising in price too? Stupid economy.
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@DeadMG You have lately been just here to shoot down ideas and hrefed/questions and suggestions
 
10:27 PM
@Rapptz Win.
@CaptainGiraffe I haven't changed in the slightest.
maybe there's been a recent surge of crap
 
The puppy has always been the puppy.
 
Ell
Puppies should be happy
 
@Rapptz Now, thats also a lot of crap.
 
I've only been here for ~3 months so unless you mean a gradual slow change then I'm not really seeing it.
 
@Ell except chihuahuas.
 
10:30 PM
 
@DeadMG I ordered that at a restaurant yesterday
only 1.6 euros
 
They cook blankets?
 
Oh it's a dog. I'm old my vision is failing.
 
What did you think she was?
 
I was looking at lobster
 
10:33 PM
Wow that's a long shot lol
 
My eyesight is poor
 
my insight is worse than an asphalt pour
@Rapptz That was very unsatisfying
 
You're not very fun.
 
@Rapptz I'm a teacher =)
 
10:37 PM
I had a lot of fun professors :(
 
@Rapptz Crap, I'm not one of them I know.
@Rapptz I'm going for a more Rikki Lake kind of style
 
Ell
That lobster thing made me giggle
 
k, serious, what does your hardcore/tough class lecturer do to make you interested in his course.
 
I'll use my Calc professor as an example, I guess. Even though there were many that I liked.
 
Please.
 
10:41 PM
Rather than being strict and anal about everything he was a pretty laid back guy. He always threw jokes around and seemed like a regular human being. Some days he would introduce the class with a video or something he found funny the day prior and it was a good start to the day.
 
Ell
Haha anal.
 
He gave us a lot of freedom to do things and since he gave us that freedom no one really bugged him and the class was always set in order. It was pretty neat. You could also tell he really liked us because at the end of the semester he got really sad to see us go.
This was ~7 years ago but I still remember it.
 
I'm Serious, not strict nor anal (Check(X)) , freedom (check), sad to see you go (check, a lot of handshakes, a few tears)
During the last 13 years, not counting the international classes, I've had very little trouble with discipline.
One instance of a small class student overusing his phone. I had to tell him, "Show some respect, that is your peer telling you stuff". During a presentation.
 
I bet I would overuse my phone in class too if I had one back then lol
Well for certain classes, like.. the boring ones. I have an eidetic memory so most of the class lectures were painfully slow.
 
@Rapptz I was experimenting with students presenting actual course material. And they knew each other from the last 2-3 years pretty well.
@Rapptz Does your memory help anything in learning?
 
10:50 PM
Well I've never studied in my life and got a 3.9 average GPA. I think I manage.
 
@Rapptz What about your interests
 
Just read through the stuff once, maybe twice for a refresher and I'm done. I didn't really spend extra time outside of class to prepare for stuff.
What do you mean?
 
As a for instance,
When you look through the std:: namespace do you see the pattern I'm seeing
 
I've never looked at the std namespace.
 
The coherency / elegance one might say
 
10:53 PM
I think the closest I can get to that is mathematical beauty. I think math is really pretty and enjoy it greatly.
 
@Rapptz ok lets talk about that
For me Math beauty and code beauty is very related.
 
I like making my code pretty but whenever I post stuff here people tell me it's pretty bad. So I guess I have no sense of.. being a good coder.
 
I'm an experimental physicist from education, so I'm biased too.
 
I'm a biomedical scientist.
 
It is the same estethics that comes into play
@Rapptz For the last 15 years I'm a computer scientist.
 
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I like to identify myself as a polymath but I'm not there yet.
 
@Rapptz You boys and girls need good software
@Rapptz The word itself is not a goal.
 

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