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posted on July 03, 2012 by Cal Evans

Blog: http://daveyshafik.com/ Twitter: @dshafik Show Notes: http://www.tbphp.org/ http://www.orlandophp.org/ Sponsored by: Engine Yard

 
 
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7:11 AM
morning
 
morning @PeeHaa
..though I'm off to bed very shortly
 
@Bracketworks Lucky you
 
Not quite; it's 3:15AM here
 
7:28 AM
I've been back and forth on it, and I know others have too, but I'm finally settling on it.
Screw callable. Period. Closure it all. If it's no longer an "implementation detail" then I'm not treating it as one.
Blarg. I'm out. Night.
 
nite @Bracketworks
 
8:55 AM
morning
 
user895378
good morning
 
morning @hakre @rdlowrey
 
user895378
I accidentally fell asleep on the sofa around 10pm last night and woke up at 130am wide-awake and ready to code. It's now 5 in the morning here and I'm just going to have to run on ~3hrs sleep for the day :)
 
user895378
hmm, no ? in tags, apparently.
 
9:00 AM
@rdlowrey hehe! capre diem
> Just to get things straight, I can understand most code, but I am only learning to write it. stackoverflow.com/questions/11306525/…
funny statement.
How do you know that you understood if you can't test by writing yourself?
 
user895378
You're right. You can't.
 
hello !
 
hi @PeeHaa , whats up ?
 
@Krish I'm being glad I survived the leap second apocalypse :)
 
y2k 2.0 . haha
 
user895378
Yep, looks like the winter solstice is the next apocalyptic hurdle ... what with all these morons and their Mayan calendars.
 
when it was y2k I was 10 years old..so I didn't had a damn clue why my relatives whos work is related to computers were all kinda scared !
 
9:45 AM
hi people
 
but the answer deserves upvotes, he did spend so much love: stackoverflow.com/a/11308349/367456
afk for some while
 
hi good afternoon to all
 
Ah, and this week I try to keep this tag count down to ca. 5,000: stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/php5+php - the php 5 tag is most often redundant.
 
I have an issue regarding push notification
though it is showing , it is connected to APNs and message has been delivered sucessfully, iPhone didnt receive any notification
can anybody help??
 
10:01 AM
Is it push notification week or something?
 
user895378
@PeeHaa Isn't every week?
 
Dunno. Maybe I just start noticing them now
 
anybody know cakephp here?
 
@Sparkx We know just enough about it to never use it :)
 
@PeeHaa enough is better than nothing.
can u tell me how can i start session if and only if user is logged in
 
10:06 AM
I dunno, but I'm pretty sure you need to call some static stuff to do it
 
@rdlowrey can u help me regarding my issue on push notification
 
Anybody has a link to the new try of @ircmaxell to get emulated prepares disabled by default on internals?
 
10:27 AM
Why do my utf8 characters get converted to non-utf8 characters? How much more specific can I be? codepad.viper-7.com/y5FHUp
☆ Hello ☆ World ☆
...becomes...
☆ Hello ☆ World ☆
 
10:38 AM
@Greg loadHTML expects that latin-1 encoding, not UTF-8
There is no real way to tell DOMDOcument but a hack
I think we should take some time and improve that situation, it is burdensome from time to time and you need special knowledge about PHP to deal with it.
1
Q: How to keep the Chinese or other foreign language as they are instead of converting them into codes?

lauthiamkokDOMDocument seems to convert Chinese characters into codes, for instance, 你的乱发 will become ä½ çš„ä¹±å‘ How can I keep the Chinese or other foreign language as they are instead of converting them into codes? Below is my simple test, $dom = new DOMDocument(); $dom->loadHTML($html); If I ad...

 
Hmm, very bad hack :/
I asked a question on the main SO site about this by the way.
0
Q: PHP DomDocument failing to handle utf-8 characters (☆)

GregThe webserver is serving responses with utf-8 encoding, all files are saved with utf-8 encoding, and everything I know of setting has been set to utf-8 encoding. Here's a quick program, to test if the output works: <?php $html = <<<HTML <!doctype html> <html> <head>...

I think it is more specific, so shouldn't be a duplicate of the other
 
@Greg I bet there are more duplicates, because often when folks ask encoding questions, they used diverse terms so duplicates are not easy to spot. I'll take a look in a moment.
 
@ircmaxell Are you awake yet?
 
@hakre Your answer seems to work for my case too, but do I have to remove the xml tag? Can't it exist happily with the tag at the start?
 
11:00 AM
@Greg Hmm, how do you output the string later on? (I'd say it depends on what you continue with).
 
@hakre It seems someone else has answered, and the solution is a lot simpler. By converting the HTML entitites before loading into the doc, it solves everything
$html = mb_convert_encoding($html, 'HTML-ENTITIES', "UTF-8");
$dom->loadHTML($html);
 
@Greg Depending on your document size, this must not be simpler.
What this is basically doing is to convert all characters that can not be expressed in ascii (us-ascii), will get a named or numeric html entitiy.
 
@PeeHaa Good morning
 
@ircmaxell morning. Did I disturb your coffee time?
 
nope
 
11:08 AM
k good. Do you have a link with a POC of an attack on PDO/MySQL with emulated prepared statements by any chance?
 
depends on the version of MySQL
 
I take them all :-)
 
morning
afternoon
nothin interesting in here :/
 
your username is loading like forever ...
 
yeah I see loading... for some of the other usernames too
 
11:21 AM
pulling the ini option now
 
@NikiC morning
 
morning @PeeHaa
 
> The implicit type converstion is completely deterministic. Except when it's not.
 
11:39 AM
 
11:50 AM
@ircmaxell good
 
Hi :)
 
hola, hi, hello :)
 
@ircmaxell Love those vids ^^
 
yeah, some good stuff
 
Hi, I just discovered stackoverflow chat. I just came to PHP room!
 
12:01 PM
@egza welcome
 
12:12 PM
to the real world
 
12:27 PM
@NikiC I can't stand listen to the audio, these synthetic voices, brr.
@egza you have found it ;)
 
@PeeHaa Thanks, hope be helpful!
 
17 hours ago, by PeeHaa
It helps to be here in chat. Or even better share some public code here and prepare yourself for a shitstorm when you are doing it wrong ™ :)
 
@hakre I know a few 12 year olds that would walk circles around that kid
 
@ircmaxell That's 1984. I like the description how he designs software.
And yeah, we have all been sitting too much in front of a computer at that age.
 
Hello everyone! Did someone work with youtube API? Maybe here is a master, who can help me with this: stackoverflow.com/questions/11283702/…
;)
 
12:42 PM
The master of the youtube API. I'd say ask the vendor for support: developers.google.com/youtube
 
I took an official example from that site (which is duplicated on ZendFramework site)
strange, but it doesnt want to work :/
@hakre sorry. I didn't know how to reply your message and wrote a new one
 
Your problem is that you copy and paste it. You need to write it yourself, and test each single line you add, one by one and in the minute you add the line.
 
hi , anyone have a good example for how to send direct message on twitter using php api
 
If you don't know how to test the new line, you don't know what you do.
So that's an easy way to get into some new stuff.
@YogeshSaroya You must have been overwhelmed by the results google spit out, right?
 
already tested. By xdebug and I am authenticated on YT with that code but last line of code (insert new entry) just timed out :/
 
12:47 PM
@Apfel Timeout is often network problem - not PHP problem. Try to debug the network, then continue to code.
 
@hakre I will try. Maybe it is really not a code trouble, because code is to simple to make a mistake there
 
I don't get this code and I probably never will: lxr.php.net/xref/PHP_TRUNK/Zend/zend_vm_def.h#4088
It spends 60 lines figuring out in just exactly what way it wants to copy the foreach value
 
hello everyone!
 
@Kirzilla hellow
 
anyone knows how to fast navigate between two places in code (in one file) in phpStorm?
for example, we have looooong code file for single class and I have to navigate between method1() and method101(). They are too far from each other... is there any way for fast switching between them?
 
@Kirzilla Isnt't your class just too big (i.e. doing too many things)?
 
oh, it is not my class
It is extremely huge controller :(
vivid example why we should always keep our controllers clean and clear :)
 
1:29 PM
@Kirzilla Sounds like a problem of it's own :) , however I don't know phpstorm, but doesn't it support code folding?
 
yep, it does
folding is nice idea, but any other ways?
 
Idunno some people in here are using phpstorm maybe they can provide a better answer
 
anyway, thank you, PeeHaa!
 
np
 
quick question - who frequently references other models from within a model when using the MVC pattern for web dev?
 
1:34 PM
61
A: How should a model be structured in MVC?

tereško Disclaimer: the following is description of how I understand MVC-like patterns in context of PHP based web applications. All the external links, that are used in the content, are there to explain terms and concepts and not to imply my own credibility on subject. Updated version The first th...

 
thanks @PeeHaa
 
@jimbo2087 Thanks @tereško for that one :)
 
It helps a little, but I didn't really get a definitive answer from it.
I frequently seem to find that it makes sense to call methods from other models rather than rewrite code to access the same tables
 
Hello again
 
@ircmaxell ola
 
1:51 PM
7/0 so far for hash_pbkdf2()
 
@PeeHaa I still want to draw some images for that one. So to better visualize my understanding.
@ircmaxell is that good or bad?
 
good
 
I hope it's good ;) - cool!
 
@jimbo2087 a model is not a class. It's a layer. And the layer can communicate with itself.
 
big thanks @ircmaxell for your struggle to make things more accessible.
 
1:55 PM
@ircmaxell I understand that, so on that logic I see no issue with calling other models. I was more asking from a "best practice" point of view. Calling other models leaves them rather dependent on each other and I wondered if others preferred to keep them more self contained
thanks for your help though
 
If you tightly bind all models to the database, then you can make all models call all models as well, because they are already bound to the database so they are already bound.
you have then created object oriented spaghetti code I'd say.
 
@jimbo2087 there are no other models. The model is a layer not a class. So if you have more than one model, you've got an architectural issue. Instead, you should have business objects that do your work for you. Those business objects should be interacting with each other (not just can, but should)...
 
@hakre Graphical explanation is always useful
 
as a general rule I create a model for each db table...I'm using the Codeigniter framework for this project which I know is based on RoR
 
@jimbo2087 As a general rule we don't suggest CI
 
2:00 PM
@jimbo2087 , what you call "models" are actually domain objects , and they can easily interact and contain each other : c2.com/cgi/wiki?DomainObject
oh .. lol .. CI user .. i guess i can go back to palying terraria
 
@tereško Yeah, Business Objects == Domain Objects
 
Ok CI fellers, $this->load->view('single_post', array('post' => $post)); for loading a view within a view and using the $post var from the parent view.... but after writing this i'm all like... ugh... this is pretty much doing a buncha magic to produce the same results as include 'application/views/single_post.php'; amiright?
 
@ircmaxell , people tend to choose which term to use , based on moon phases
 
given a view should contain logic, no, it wouldn't be the same. But I don't know about CI views...
@tereško Sure, just pointing out that we're agreeing, just using different termonology for the same thing...
 
CI views are templates , included inside "controller" classes
 
2:03 PM
@PeeHaa One tipp for your PHP turorial: You could tell users upfront, that they need to type in the code (not just copy and paste)
Also I think we should show them how they can execute code on the commandline.
 
second point has already been made =P
 
Additionally something like Notepad++ on Windows and Geany or Gedit on linux.
 
And that's a problem. Views should contain display logic. (yes, that is allowed). Pagination should be handled by the view, not the model, for example. It can relay to the model, but the logic for the pagination should be in the view. To do it differently tightly couples the model to the presentation layer
 
or kWrite
 
kate
 
2:05 PM
@jimbo2087 You want a good suggestion: Stop using CI. You will only learn wrong things, also the vendor is not friendly. Choose something developer oriented, like Symfony2.
 
or that
 
@ircmaxell Would the view request the number of pages from the model in that instance? Or is that what you are saying should be avoided?
 
I've been wanting to use Symfony for the next project - no way this one is going to be rewritten though
 
@jimbo2087 Then don't put new code into CI semantics, but stick to clean PHP objects that don't have static dependencies.
 
@Event_Horizon No, at best it would provide the model with a offset and a limit to the results returned
 
2:07 PM
That works with CI, too. You only need to create a new folder that contains files that are being able to autoload and then inject your own autoloader based on spl_autoload.
 
@hakre thanks for the advice
 
I had done that (we later dropped CI completely for the project) and it worked very well, while preserving new code.
 
@ircmaxell well at the moment the 'view in a view' is just a partial i'm tossing in there. and i just wonder why I would have to (the CI recommended way to include views in views) pass the parameters used by the partial into the view method which does ABC to spit out the variable to use in the 'sub-view'
when I can just include it and the var is already there.
 
yeah
 
it's the "i'm using a framework and I feel I should stick to their recommended way even though it makes no sense to me" issue.
I think i'm just being dragged to the darkside.
 
2:10 PM
Put plainly, I understand why one would prefer spaces over tabs or vice versa.
 
i fail to see how CI's views are different from the bad-old include-based application "architecture"
 
But why the following style!? if ('' != get_template())include(get_template());
 
@Christian , try working on a team project
 
@tereško It isn't. It just gives you a wrapper around it
@Christian what do you mean?
 
@tereško they are not that different. they offer a few 'helpers' but that is about it.
 
2:11 PM
Hello everyone
 
Why compare empty string against a variable, instead of a variable against an empty string?
 
because 100<200 AND 200>100
 
but what about conventions ?
 
@Christian because the compiler will catch a missing = in there: '' = foo vs $foo = ''
 
conventions smementions
 
2:12 PM
@rlemon Huh? That's not the point...
 
granted, most IDEs and code sniffing rules will catch that as well, but it's a hold over from a simpler time
 
Also it puts the value you compare against in front
 
@Christian yea i'm not really answering honestly if you can not already tell.
 
@ircmaxell It's != not =
 
Which is really nice, because you see the important part upfront
 
2:13 PM
@rlemon :D
 
@Christian doesn't matter. If you're consistently using Yoda form, those errors aren't possible
 
@hakre good point. Can you add it to the issue tracker please?
@hakre @tereško told me the same thing :)
 
lol at Yoda form
 
@ircmaxell can we undelete that one?
oh no
robert harvey is an asshole
 
2:15 PM
no, we shouldn't
 
Really, I have to say that
I hate him
 
@NikiC Stating the obvious? ;)
 
Well, any personal feelings aside
that question doesn't belong on SO
programmers maybe, but not so
 
@ircmaxell That does not matter
It's an old question with many upvotes
It has "historical significance", as they say
Should be undeleted and locked simply
 
anyone used NFS on Fedora17 ?
I have spent like 3 hours today and yet I am nowhere.
 
2:18 PM
@NikiC bring it up on Meta
 
@OmeidHerat : server ?? client ?
 
@Krish Server, it goes up and exits right away with a sign 15.
no log, no error, nothing.
`nfs-server.service - NFS Server
Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/nfs-server.service; enabled)
Active: active (exited) since Tue, 03 Jul 2012 23:31:00 +1000; 49min ago
Process: 1731 ExecStopPost=/usr/sbin/exportfs -f (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
Process: 1728 ExecStop=/usr/sbin/rpc.nfsd 0 (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
Process: 1753 ExecStartPost=/usr/lib/nfs-utils/scripts/nfs-server.postconfig (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
Process: 1740 ExecStart=/usr/sbin/rpc.nfsd $RPCNFSDARGS ${RPCNFSDCOUNT} (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
 
logs?
 
@ircmaxell I don't do meta
 
@ircmaxell nothing, just this:
Jul  4 00:22:20 lax rpc.mountd[1761]: Caught signal 15, un-registering and exiting.
Jul  4 00:22:20 lax systemd[1]: nfs-mountd.service: main process exited, code=exited, status=1
    Jul  4 00:22:21 lax kernel: [ 3643.358151] NFSD: Using /var/lib/nfs/v4recovery as the NFSv4 state recovery directory
    Jul  4 00:22:21 lax kernel: [ 3643.358214] NFSD: starting 90-second grace period
    Jul  4 00:22:21 lax rpc.mountd[4710]: Version 1.2.6 starting
 
2:24 PM
no idea
 
@ircmaxell hehe I had to waybackmachine that question about coined terms.
ohh the luls
I just about spit up my coffee reading the comments here.
 
@ircmaxell So far the voting is in your favor.
 
:-D
 
And I have yet to vote :)
I am pretty sure I will vote yes; I would just feel bad for voting and not actually reading the patch :)
 
can mortals vote? or just @php.net
@php.net it is
 
2:36 PM
@LeviMorrison then read the vote
@webarto you need an account of some sort. Some outsiders have accounts (people representing other projects, etc), but mostly just people with commit access of some sort
 
@ircmaxell :) I've set some time aside at lunch to review it.
 
:-D
 
@ircmaxell thanks :)
 
:-D
 
2:42 PM
Anyone know of a multi-level redirect checker?
This works perfectly but it is only one-level internetofficer.com/seo-tool/redirect-check
 
hi
 
@hanleyhansen curl it like a boss :)
 
Ideal would be like an online tracert for redirects lol
@PeeHaa Know of any online tools?
 
Anyone read this book? amazon.com/PHP-5-Objects-Patterns-Practice/dp/1590593804 Do you suggest?
 
@PeeHaa If i curl it will that give me multilevel?
 
2:45 PM
@hanleyhansen like @PeeHaa said, cURL
 
I don't believe in language specific books
 
Do you suggest any book to understand oop and design patterns. Programming language is not important i want to understand logic
 
@draconis Code Complete v2 is quite good.
 
@draconis Yes. Don't worry that it is from a Microsoft employee. It's quite good. Surprisingly.
 
2:51 PM
@LeviMorrison Thanks, i will read this.
 
@webarto cURL works but how do I make it multilevel?
 
@draconis Also, this online book teaches OOP and (specifically) data-structures, although in Java.
 
curl --location ? @hanleyhansen define multilevel pls
 
@webarto For example, this site: internetofficer.com/seo-tool/redirect-check shows the proper info. I'm looking for a tool that gives me a path of all the redirects so if a redirect happens to go to a redirect I want to see the full route.
Make sense?
 
That Jargon questions defs should be undeteted.
 
2:58 PM
@hanleyhansen: try this script: stackoverflow.com/a/3233549/351893
 
@hanleyhansen pokit.org/get/img/fdd70dad33343267dd5376f014a8bf14.png if there are multiple redirects, you will see multiple blocks, and that's it.
you can give me some URL with n-redirects to try out
 
@JochenJung Cool thanks!
@webarto Try this www.healthcare.explorejobtraining.com
 
user50049
Howdy folks. I'm one of the SO users that volunteered to curate the programming slashtags on blekko a while back, and I noticed that /php is rather vacant with only 52 sites. If you know of a site that isn't crap that should be there, feel free to ping me with the URL (I'll mine it out of my inbox).
 
@webarto Ok see what you mean. Thanks guys.
 
3:05 PM
@TimPost lithify.me ?
 
user50049
Additionally, if you're a user of blekko and have an interest in helping to curate that slashtag, let me know.
 
user50049
I do have the ability to add additional editor. Only 52 sites? Geez, that's bad.
 
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11313783/i-think-css3-transform-translatez-is-equal-to-scale-by-some-means
 
@TimPost Why is cacke the 3rd result on PHP? :(
 
user50049
@PeeHaa I have no idea. What the programming tag editors do there is pretty much what DMOZ editors do, keep the junk out. As far as how they rank results, no idea.
 
user50049
3:11 PM
@webarto Added
 
what's the subject ?
@webarto , looking to try out Lithium ?
 
@NikiC: (and others), can you give this a quick read and let me know what else needs to be added before bring it up on php.net? gist.github.com/f0efc9373f2402ff9f89
 
@TimPost cool, thanks @tereško I just suggested to Tim that it deserves to be on the list, wanted to build something with it, but just haven't had time... have you used it?
 
user50049
@webarto I've also been eyeing it up for a rainy day
 
user50049
3:27 PM
> and the first to break ground into major new technologies, including bridging the gap between relational and non-relational databases through a single, unified API.
 
user50049
... That's what got my attention
 
dev.kohanaframework.org/issues/4369 we saw it from Lithify :P
 
Why is Jeff editor of /php?
 
user50049
@PeeHaa He's the one that set up the relationship with Blekko. Kind of like how he has a diamond on all sites
 
user50049
(or well, most sites)
 
user50049
3:37 PM
@PeeHaa I believe he's an editor on all programming slashtags. It's more about keeping pure spam crap out of the results than anything.
 
Question-marks shouldn't be allowed in answers from users with no rep
 
3:57 PM
LinkedIn: "Your email is safe with us! We will not store your password or email anyone without your permission." I don't understand :\
share or store? if store how it is possible to authenticate
 
Question! For the sake of readability, should I cap the content portion of the documentation to 75em , or just let it flow however wide the screen goes?
 
width of the screen is relative :P
 
user895378
@LeviMorrison I personally prefer using % in that case with a min-width, but I also am not the foremost css expert.
 
user895378
And min-width isn't supported by all browsers
 
user895378
4:07 PM
@LeviMorrison Also, I didn't get a chance to comment yesterday, but I think your prototype changes are very positive (on the before and after pics).
 
Thank you.
Also, I've modified the homepage yet again: prototype.php.net
 
Whoops, just pasted my temporary password. Good thing it's temporary.
 
user895378
The overall homepage design isn't really my style -- I think it's the noise on the large icons -- but I don't have a better alternative and I'm not really sure how it could be improved. It is much better than what's in place now.
 
I hope it will be finished in my lifetime...
 
4:10 PM
@webarto plain-text or encrypted
 
@ircmaxell sorry, your message showed up in front of mine, I meant I hope that I will see prototype.php.net on php.net in my lifetime :)
As for RFC, do you know why this wasn't introduced before? :)
 
yes, there was no good proposal yet (all had significant issues)
 
I hope this will pass, good luck with it
 
user895378
Yeah, as far as I can tell this proposal really nails it ... we'll see what happens
 
@hakre tnx@!
 
Sam
4:16 PM
Afternoon guys and gals
 
I personally don't like that type-hint proposal either.
 
@LeviMorrison no?
 
Sure, it is consistent with PHP's current cast semantics (with the float -> int) exception.
But that's the problem.
 
@ircmaxell Consider: viper-7.com/KOXQ6P
Technically the behavior of that cast is undefined and can change without notice.
If we were able to fix some type casting problems, then I would be perfectly fine with your RFC.
(Even though it wouldn't be quite what I'd like, it'd be pretty darned close)
Also consider: viper-7.com/PbtugN
 
4:39 PM
@LeviMorrison the navigation menu is broken for me
 
@CarrieKendall I don't mind. I'm going to nuke the whole menu.
Drop-down will be gone.
 
@LeviMorrison w00t!
 
@LeviMorrison it generates an E_RECOVERABLE_ERROR in this case
 
@LeviMorrison i figured, that's why i didn't go into too much detail :P
 
@ircmaxell I read your RFC too quickly then.
 
4:41 PM
check out the conversion table
 
@ircmaxell Is that the same error generated currently if you give a foo object when it is expecting a DateTime?
 
Some Dumb questions I have: Is there a way to save a MSSQL database to file and access that file from PHP and treat it like a normal DB? If its possible what are the pros/cons of doing this? Will it no longer accept SQL queries at that point?
 
@Event_Horizon Say what
 
@ircmaxell I also find it odd that you use int instead of integer, but boolean instead of bool.
 
@LeviMorrison fair enough
 
4:44 PM
@MikeB I have seen some sites that seem to have *.db files in them, and was just wondering if that's a normal way of storing db information, and if queries work against them (I'm assuming "no")
 
@LeviMorrison yes, the text is slightly different, but the error code is
 
@ircmaxell That's just nit-picking :)
 
well, but it's valid
 
@LeviMorrison just for s'es and g's: i.imgur.com/ArJGd.png?1458 ^^
 
@Event_Horizon How do you query those .db files?
 
4:46 PM
@CarrieKendall Have you made sure to clear the cache first? I thought I had fixed that particular issue.
 
@MikeB using php? thats why I was asking about them, I don't know
 
@Event_Horizon I mean, what function in PHP do you use to execute the query.. like in mysql you use mysql_query or PDO
 
@MikeB PDO
 
@LeviMorrison same here dude
 
@Event_Horizon And what's your connection DSN for that file? In example #1 us.php.net/manual/en/pdo.construct.php
 
4:49 PM
@webarto @CarrieKendall Are you using Firefox, by chance?
 
@LeviMorrison yeah it is clear. it seems that the width for #headmenu must be greater than 945px
and yes
 
@MikeB sqlsrv:Server=server;Database=timeclock
 
@CarrieKendall Can you change the #headnav #headhome a.menu-link width from 130px to 120px and see if it fixes the problem?
Unfortunately my firefox won't start.
Haven't taken the time to figure out why.
 
@Event_Horizon I meant the DSN from the PDO instance you use with your .db files
 
4:52 PM
@MikeB I don't have .db files , I was asking about them because I wanted to know how they are handled
 
@LeviMorrison that fixes it :]
 
@CarrieKendall Thank you.
 
@LeviMorrison np
 
@TimPost Could you maybe undelete + lock stackoverflow.com/questions/2349378/… ?
 
@Event_Horizon AFAIK the only rdbms that can work with files directly like that is sqlite (Maybe DBase too?). MSSQL can't be decoupled as easily and requires a running instance of the server to handle queries
 
4:54 PM
@TimPost heh, love the subtlety
 
user50049
@NikiC I don't think so. That one is a good candidate for the 'archive', as soon as we figure out what in the heck that's going to be.
 
@MikeB Thanks, good to know
 
@LeviMorrison pokit.org/get/img/6b7b6c720c6940fdfb9472e08ce85340.png there is 6px difference somewhere, you can use portable firefox I think...
 
@TimPost What makes it different from the usual "historical significance" questions?
 
user50049
@NikiC Well, the first thing I look for when it comes to 'significance' is incoming links. Many of those links are snarky comments or other things that should be removed by current standards. When you take that away, it was just a popular fun post.
 
user50049
4:58 PM
I'm not saying it did not entertain me at least a dozen times. But I'm not (as a moderator) inclined to give it a historical lock.
 
If I have a question that I think is too broad for the scope of permissible SO questions (sort of objective, a "what's the best?" or "how would you?", design pattern, OOP inquiry) and I don't want to post it as , what's a good alternative that might receive comparable attention?
 
@TimPost When you say incoming links do you means links posted in StackOverflow as comments referencing that question?
 
user50049
@MikeB Things linking to it from SO (anywhere) , comments / questions / answers show up in that summary.
 
@Bracketworks is it specific to anything?
 

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