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10:00 PM
There's a beta end of july
 
@CatPlusPlus Ubuntu uses "Unity" crap. And I use KDE on my Arch VM. Nothing slow about it. Just disable the stupid effects and voila.
 
(<) x = const False
 
I hate the fact they force you to pay to play their beta product.
 
@rubenvb It's still GNOME. And KDE isn't much better anyway.
 
Ell
unity is good
 
10:00 PM
No.
 
@Ell lol
 
@CatPlusPlus I just said I don't see the "slow", and hence your point is moot for me.
 
unity is good? nyan cat is a good programming tool, too.
 
Any desktop manager that doesn't feature a taskbar is broken.
 
It's a waste of resources, when you can have lightweight WM.
 
10:01 PM
Maybe I should've used siduction or aptosid
 
Ell
but I prefer gnome 3
 
It's a virtual machine, not an every-day desktop. Different priorities, man.
 
@Cicada Unity has a taskbar...
 
(GNOME sucks either way, but still.)
You have to install it separately.
 
@rubenvb Last time I tried it it didn't
 
10:02 PM
No, Launcher is not a taskbar.
 
Ell
actually I might mean gnome shell or cinnamon, I don't know what I'm talking about
 
@Cicada the superbar thing on your left side.
 
No matter how many Mac fanbois you'll get on the subject.
 
Ell
OSX has no toolbark?
 
Same thing as the Windows Superbar
 
10:02 PM
Gnome3 is terrible, I'd pay an arm and a leg for Gnome2 back -- XFCE gets me 80% of the way though
 
OSX has Dock.
The stupidest taskbar ever invented.
 
(sorry, imo)
 
And don't you dare insult the Windows 7 superbar.
 
@rubenvb oh you mean that sucky thing that fails at copying the W7 bar
 
Whatbar?
 
Xeo
10:03 PM
So, anybody interested in playing online mahjong? :)
 
@Cicada Yeah, it's a failbar in Unity. True that.
 
I'm pretty good at Mahjong
 
@Xeo That's multiplayer?
 
I have only learned how to lose so far but hey. I'm good at losing.
 
Xeo
10:03 PM
Of course the real mahjong
Not solitair
 
@Cicada Dwarf Fortress?
 
Fuck, am I the only Asian who doesn't know how to play mahjong?
 
No
 
There's more than one? .___.
 
I can't either
 
Xeo
10:04 PM
@CatPlusPlus Heh
 
@sbi Seriously, watch Airplane! It's awesome man.
 
Xeo
Mahjong is a game that originated in China, commonly played by four players (with some three-player variations found in Korea and Japan). The four-player table version is not the same as the single player tile matching game Mahjong solitaire. Similar to the Western card game rummy, mahjong is a game of skill, strategy and calculation and involves a certain degree of chance. The game is played with a set of 136 tiles based on Chinese characters and symbols, although some regional variations use a different number of tiles. In most variations, each player begins by receiving thirteen ti...
 
mahjong is too mainstream, we play towers of hanoi!
 
Dude, that's not a game.
 
That's not multiplayer. Right?
 
Xeo
10:04 PM
It is
 
Xeo
4player
It's a bit like rummy
 
ToH, not Mahjong.
 
Xeo
Erm, ignore me then :P
 
Hey, the Robot is back.
 
10:07 PM
But really, GNOME3 tries to be OSX so hard, it's not even funny.
 
@CatPlusPlus What do you prefer? Windows?
 
And Unity is the same shit.
 
And fails at it in a miserable way.
 
@ManofOneWay To OSX? Anything. Yes, Windows does fine.
 
Windows 8 is good, no orb.
 
10:08 PM
@CatPlusPlus Oh, you.
 
FUCK W8
Unusable
 
@CatPlusPlus Windows is shit compared to OSX.
 
No
 
KDE4 is usable, but hilariously immature.
 
using since first leaked ones, never crashed.
 
10:08 PM
Also lol @ ram for KDE
 
Taskbar crashed on me like 3 times in one hour.
 
KDE4?
 
@Cicada how so?
 
KDE eats so much RAM I wonder if it hosts a JVM per widget
 
10:09 PM
When I'll have time, I'll write meself a neat Xmonad config, screw mainstream WMs.
@ManofOneWay Lol, no.
 
@Cicada never had any problems with it... Ever compared it to GNOME3 or Unity?
 
Problems? No. Free RAM? Neither.
I don't bother using Unity
I use gnome fallback and am happy with it
more or less
not
 
@Cicada I run my KDE box on 500 MB.
 
@CatPlusPlus Lol, yes. I've been using OSX for 3-4 years now. Before that (back when I didn't know better) I used Windows. I will never go back
 
Both KDE and GNOME suck.
 
10:11 PM
It's wasting a whole 5.5 GB I paid for.
 
@CatPlusPlus Let me guess... e17 user?
 
@Mysticial Congratz, really nice answer!
Time for me to sleep, good night mac haters
 
I've used Windows for about 15 years now, and Linux on/off for about 7-8.
I can't stand OSX.
 
@ManofOneWay Gtfo macfag
 
It's hilarious to watch fanboys go all RAGE HOW CAN YOU NOT LOVE OSX over it.
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10:12 PM
lol
 
I've never used win95,2000 or me
 
Or the HOLY APPLE hardware.
Nobody sane used WinME.
 
I used 3.1, win98, win2000, winXP winvista, and win7. Short time win8. Not nice.
 
@ManofOneWay Thx! Though kinda old news now. lol
 
Never got Mac OS X in a VM that worked, so never used it.
 
10:13 PM
I have used win3.1
 
3.11, 95, 98, 2000, XP and now 7. Win8 stinks of touch screens.
 
win8 seems great for touchscreens, the "orb+type program name" still works, so I don't really care for all the Win-RT style half. Just keep me at the desktop.
 
I can't enumerate Linux distros, but I've probably tried all the major ones by now.
 
Most distro's fail at the very basics.
 
Mandrake was cool and Ubuntu's installer once managed to erase my HDD.
Fun times. Except for that HDD erasing thing.
 
10:15 PM
lol
Mandriva had a cool WM.
 
It was better when it was called Mandrake.
 
one where you could tilt the windows into your desktop. Forgot the name.
 
And it ran KDE3 by default AFAIR.
Or maybe some older.
 
Oct 20 '11 at 14:58, by jalf
but I might say, I don't really see how someone coming here to vaguely rant and attack and insult everyone, like @HostileFork is apparently doing, is an improvement
 
it was some french project
 
10:17 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Aaah.
A tool, I see.
 
@CatPlusPlus Oh you. You're really talking like GLaDoS
 
kde3 rocked
 
Not really.
 
@CatPlusPlus As an OS X user, I must say... yeah.
 
Yes really.
 
10:17 PM
compared to the other WMs back then, yes it did
 
It was sluggy and crappy. That others were worse doesn't make it good. :P
 
@CatPlusPlus It's hilarious to watch fanboys go all RAGE HOW CAN YOU NOT LOVE OSX iOS over it. FTFY
 
@EtiennedeMartel OMG, you're an OS X user and rational? How can that be? :P
 
Oh, yes, smartphones.
Very important.
The future.
 
Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install libsdl-dev. Result: 40MB disk space used. WTF...
 
10:19 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes I'm a hater. I nitpick anything I like. I never blindly defend something.
 
@CatPlusPlus Sorry. It's the present. Get out of that rock.
 
dsl? Domain specific language?
Or what
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Wait, Etienne de Martel is a ratio of two integers? :-P
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah, I gathered that.
You're cool.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Pfft.
 
10:19 PM
@Cicada sdl. typo
 
And, more importantly, I don't like the "tablet centric" direction they seem to be taking with OS X.
 
People say the present is the future way too often.
 
I will blindly defend Haskell from any infidels.
 
Get some vision.
 
I mean, Mountain Lion looks like iOS for PCs.
 
10:20 PM
@EtiennedeMartel That seems to be the trend for just about every OS nowadays.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Don't worry, Windows is going the same way.
At least you won't feel like you're missing out on something.
 
That's what buggering me.
 
Will not switch to W8 :<
 
But at least, Microsoft is going to support 7 for a long time.
 
10:20 PM
Apple will probably ditch Lion in a few months.
 
Yeah, I heard they move very fast.
 
No patches and stuff. You want new security fixes? Upgrade to Mountain Lion.
 
Since XP, Microsoft manages to churn out decent OS with every second release, so I'll just wait for Win9.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Because OS X is so much more secure than the rest.
 
egad
I hope W9 is decent
 
10:21 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes You so silly.
 
@Cicada Maybe every other Windows release is like secretly a public beta
 
OSX is very secure.
 
Every BSD is
 
@Insilico Drop the "maybe"?
 
If you get a virus it will detect it, and then politely ask you to drag it to Trash.
 
10:22 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Maybe Every other Windows release is like secretly a public beta. FTFY.
 
"one step make" - makes rebuilds due to errors take ages.
 
It's not really a secret.
Vista was security overhaul beta.
 
@CatPlusPlus Maybe Every other Windows release is like secretly a public beta. FTFY.
 
Win8 is RT beta.
 
@CatPlusPlus True enough.
 
10:23 PM
@CatPlusPlus OS X is Canadian.
 
@CatPlusPlus Maybe Every other Windows release is like secretly a public beta. FTFY.
 
Most viruses I've encountered and/or heard about on OS X are just social engineering exploits.
"This totally safe software needs your administrator password to rape your computer. Do you wish to continue?"
 
Most viruses are.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Most viruses I've never encountered on Windows are just social engineering exploits.
 
Well, they usually involve it.
Preying on stupid.
 
10:24 PM
Not running administrator is one of the best ways to not get pwned by a virus.
 
It's been a while since I heard about actual security exploits. Except whenever QuickTime's involved.
 
Do viruses that do social engineering pass the Turing test?
 
And Flash. And Java.
 
@EtiennedeMartel And that's surprising?
 
Meh, I run on admin account and had no problem for years.
 
10:25 PM
@Insilico On OS X, being an "administrator" just makes you a sudoer. Not a superuser.
 
About 10 years.
More or less.
 
@CatPlusPlus It's because by virtue of being a Lounge<C++> user you're smarter than the average computer user (hopefully).
 
It's because by virtue of being a me.
smug
 
@CatPlusPlus We should all aspire to be you then to defeat teh [sic] malware.
 
10:26 PM
@EtiennedeMartel apparently ubuntu does something like that too. i don't even know my root password; i just sudo everything cause that's how the installer set it up. :)
 
The world would be much calmer place if everyone was me.
 
or sudo su if i'm gonna be doin a lot of root stuff
 
@CatPlusPlus It'll be rather full of cats though. Cats can be surprisingly violent animals.
 
@EtiennedeMartel And?
 
But then again we'd be too lazy to ever go into space.
 
10:27 PM
@Cicada It's not the same as what "administrator" meant in XP.
 
It's functionnaly the same
root or sudoer
 
XP pretty much inherited 9x security model, which was then hilariously duct-taped over.
 
...?
 
Limited accounts were pretty much unusable in XP.
It was bad bad bad.
 
@CatPlusPlus Mostly due to the fact that nobody knows how to write installers that didn't require admin privileges.
 
10:29 PM
@Cicada No. Sudoer means you still have to sudo. A root can just do what the fuck he wants.
 
not like that had much to do with every piece of software on the freaking os "requiring" admin privilieges to run...
 
XP had no usable elevation mechanism AFAIR.
 
That's the same
Sudo makes you root
 
Vista/7/8's UAC is no security measure.
su is.
 
Actually it's Mostly due to the fact that nobody knows how to write installers that didn't require admin privileges. software.
 
10:30 PM
Not being root and having access to sudo is just being root
 
And hell if I'm going to be forced to auth into my own PC.
 
MS admitted that fact.
 
sudo make me a sandwich
 
Screw root passwords.
 
eh...i don't need a root password. i don't even miss it. :)
i just need my own password, and i'm good to go
 
10:32 PM
heck, root is a fine mechanism. Better than stupid "click yes as fast as possible" dialogs.
Ever tried to run an elevated installer that was ~2GB large from an external disk?
 
On a non-admin account you have to enter the password, too.
 
truth be told, "root" sucks. but it's better than most of the alternatives
 
Xeo
@rubenvb Exe startup hurts so much...
 
And clicking without thinking is a PEBKAC.
 
That takes about 5 minutes to show the consent dialog.
 
10:33 PM
bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=18556 Not sure if you all seen this one.
 
@rubenvb Sorry, you can't fix users with software.
 
@CatPlusPlus You can programmatically bypass the elevation prompt.
 
Also, déjà vu.
 
[citation needed]
 
@Insilico I've known about the issue for a long time, didn't know PHP choked on it.
 
10:35 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Yeah it's an old bug. Since 2002. :-/
 
Ell
@cicada sudo doesn't let you do all root things
 
bugs.php.net Why the subdomain?
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@Insilico No. Why would we care?
 
@CatPlusPlus I dunno. You tell me.
 
@Ell depends on how you set it up. but if it lets you sudo su, who cares. :)
 
10:36 PM
It's a bug in software made of bugs and idiots.
 
@CatPlusPlus Although PHP bugs manage to stand out all the others. :-P
 
Ell
man I wish.I could draw
 
@Ell What's stopping you?
 
@Insilico maybe he has no hands?
 
@rubenvb Not a problem, actually.
 
10:40 PM
@rubenvb I dunno. That's why I ask. :-P
 
There's a bunch of painters that use their mouth or their feet.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes hmm. Right.
 
Ell
@insilico I'm just not good :L and don't k ow how to improve
 
I've seen many that were quite talented.
 
There are drawing classes and stuff.
 
Ell
10:43 PM
yeah I suppose I could make it one of my summer projects
 
So what is everyone up to? :)
 
Ell
this might sound of bad taste but can.anyone reccomend an ecchi series?
 
@CatPlusPlus I still use a limited XP account. I wouldn't recommend it though. It's a PITA
 
@MooingDuck I know, that's why I never did.
 
Ell
10:48 PM
what?:L it's not like porn or anything
and I'm allowed to be into whatever I want to be :L
anyone?
 
Anyway, gotta sleep. Bye.
 
Ell
night
 
Does exist some tool which able to convert OS image from Virtual Box image to ISO image for the booting not from VM ?
 
Ell
probably
google vm HDD to ISO or something
 
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Q: Is it possible to convert virtual machines to physical environments?

Ieyasu SawadaIs is possible to convert a .vdi file into a .iso that can be burned to a cd or dvd and make it like an installer. Or Is it possible to convert virtual machines to physical environments?

 
Ell
10:53 PM
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Q: Is it possible to convert virtual machines to physical environments?

Ieyasu SawadaIs is possible to convert a .vdi file into a .iso that can be burned to a cd or dvd and make it like an installer. Or Is it possible to convert virtual machines to physical environments?

oops sorry
tumbleweed
 
Good afternoon people. Can anyone give me a good argument of why I should use pure virtual functions?
 

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