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Ell
12:24 AM
yay it works now
 
@Xeo SFINAE that works in C++03 with a C++11 header?
Odd phrasing.
 
hey guys
 
Ell
hi
 
12:40 AM
@DeadMG Time to sleep now
 
are you kidding? I've only just woken up
 
Ell
when did you go to bed of your waking up at twenty to two?
*if you're
 
@DeadMG Haha, you're crazy
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Hmm, derp. The idea works in C++03 atleast!
 
@Ell 6pm
better than sleeping at 6am and waking at 6pm, which is where I was two days ago
 
Ell
12:45 AM
right that explains it then :L why have you become nocturnal?
 
usually because I eat too many cookies someday
consider a "normal" cycle, like, 11am->1am
 
Ell
dayum I still haven't had that cheese and onion pastie
 
then I eat too many cookies one day and now it's 11am->8am
then I go to bed and wake up at 6pm
and thus the cycle is shifted
 
Ell
hmm do Greggs sell pasties?
 
yes, I think#
wasn't there that whole bullshit about how our idiot PM lied about buying one?
 
12:52 AM
yay, my enigma works
 
Ell
lied about buying a pastie? why on earth would he do that?
 
> idiot PM
need I say more?
 
Ell
s'pose not
sleepy time, night all
 
1:09 AM
@Ell Night!
 
Xeo
Wow, we got a huge thunderstorm
Awesome! *squeels like a little girl*
 
That's awesome. We got nothing here.
@Xeo Now don't embarrass yourself too much..
 
Xeo
I just love 'em
Continuous thunder every 3 sec approx
Well, it went down a bit by now
Oh boy it's pouring
 
It's a cloudy and non-interesting night out here :(
Well, except for the anime I've been watching!
But I'm running out of good anime, need to download moar!
 
1:25 AM
@Xeo where are you at?
been thunderstorming here as well.
 
Lupin III is quite awesome!
2 messages moved to bin
 
Xeo
@melak47 Berlin
 
@Xeo that explains it then.
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked Didn't watch that, only been following Nyarlko, Saki Spinoff and F/Z this season
 
F/Z was quite impressive. Didn't see Nyariko or Saki Spinoff though. I did watch Sankarea which was nice. And Sakamichi no Apollon which I also liked.
 
Xeo
1:31 AM
Sankarea I read the manga
 
And Lupin III is still airing.
@Xeo I read that the manga is way more ecchi than the anime. Frankly in the anime it's nearly absent.
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked Nyarlko is just (for me) awesome love comedy with weird (read: humorous) references to anything there ever was.
And the Saki spinoff is more about Flashbacks than real mahjong. :(
Still fun though
 
@Xeo I should probably watch it then.
 
Xeo
Btw, if you're running out of good anime, you can always look at good manga :P
 
Right, I'm also watching Hyouka.
@Xeo I always tend to find something just before I run out completely. But it's good to have a backup plan :D
 
Xeo
1:35 AM
A newer one (well, not really, but recently started to get scanlated) is Akame ga Kill which I find pretty awesome.
(Warning: The synopsis is quite misleading.)
 
@Xeo Can't seem to find any torrents for it..
 
Xeo
Yes
 
Ok, sorry, didn't read it well.
Alright, bookmarked.
I've been reading the Yokohama Kaidashi Kikō manga lately.
Quite atmospheric :p
 
Xeo
A good anime I'm just remembering would be Maji de Watashi ni Koi Shinasai, which is kinda action slice-of-life comedy mix-thingy
The Visual Novel is awesome
And the Anime is quite funny too
@StackedCrooked Don't know about that one, what's it about?
 
So damn hot.
 
Xeo
1:42 AM
Yay, new TLR:Darkness chapter
 
@Xeo It's about an female android than runs a coffee-shop in a post-apocalyptic Japan. It's basically a slice-of-life about her daily life.
That may not sound very interesting, but it got me hooked rather quickly :p
 
female android, gynoid?
 
@SimonSarris You decide...
 
Xeo
Mah, damn flash player. I can't click anywhere on a youtube page to reenable my damn shortcuts like ctrl-(shift-)tab
@StackedCrooked A good slice-of-life will do that.
 
A good slice-of-life is defined by whether or not it will hook me? I feel flattered :D
 
Xeo
1:49 AM
:P
Basically, I recommend any manga listed here: myanimelist.net/mangalist/Xeo
 
@Xeo What a coincidence, it bears your name!
:p
 
Xeo
:D
I did have the urge to tack a "guess why" at the end
 
So what is your intellectual opinion on No Bra?
 
Xeo
Oh right, I did finish that one
I kinda picked it up and couldn't drop it :P
 
Lol, there's a genre called Gender Bender :D
 
Xeo
1:57 AM
Didn't know that?
 
Nope!
 
Xeo
I'm just noticing that I'm reading way too many manga
 
Would you recommend the Madoka manga?
 
Xeo
I actually only took a look at the first few chapters and then never looked at it again for some reason
guess the anime was enough for me
I did intent to follow the other two madoka mangas, though, but I can't seem to find the will to catch up
 
Dammit, I misread the entry from your list. It's not Madoka, but nanoha.
 
Xeo
2:00 AM
It's awesome! :)
 
Ok, I know you like those.
:D
 
Xeo
The first three manga are basically sidestories / in between stories for the TV series
 
It's a big list of manga, do you recommend a few of them in particular?
 
Xeo
** http://myanimelist.net/manga/7519/Kami_nomi_zo_Shiru_Sekai **
http://myanimelist.net/manga/26/Hunter_x_Hunter
http://myanimelist.net/manga/11544/Aphorism
http://myanimelist.net/manga/3986/Deadman_Wonderland
http://myanimelist.net/manga/4843/Dreamland
http://myanimelist.net/manga/25679/Hentai_Ouji_to_Warawanai_Neko
http://myanimelist.net/manga/22044/Iris_Zero
http://myanimelist.net/manga/1/Monster
** http://myanimelist.net/manga/4612/Needless **
http://myanimelist.net/manga/18597/Sankarea
** http://myanimelist.net/manga/7776/Toaru_Kagaku_no_Railgun **
that's from my "reading" list
the marked ones I especially enjoy
 
Dammit, show some restraint!
 
Xeo
2:06 AM
:(
I can't!
 
:D
Just kidding!
 
People and anime. xd
 
Xeo
There's a reason why my mangalist is so big xD
 
I couldn't be happier!
Hunter x Hunter is in my top 5 of anime. I guess I should read the manga as well then..
Cool, Sankarea is in the list as well. I really liked the anime!
I also saw most of the Gray Man anime. It's the first anime I saw where Belgium was one of the locations.
 
Xeo
http://myanimelist.net/manga/615/Ai_Kora
http://myanimelist.net/manga/40/Black_Cat
** http://myanimelist.net/manga/933/Elfen_Lied **
** http://myanimelist.net/manga/25/Fullmetal_Alchemist **
** http://myanimelist.net/manga/387/Karin **
http://myanimelist.net/manga/16/Love_Hina
http://myanimelist.net/manga/15/Mahou_Sensei_Negima!
http://myanimelist.net/manga/572/Midori_no_Hibi
http://myanimelist.net/manga/584/Mirai_Nikki
http://myanimelist.net/manga/447/Oretama
http://myanimelist.net/manga/401/Parasyte
and that's from my completed list :D
http://myanimelist.net/manga/3048/Kiss_x_Sis
http://myanimelist.net/manga/582/Kodomo_no_Jikan
Somehow, I missed these two from the "reading" list
I think that should give you enough material for a while :>
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Q: How do I use values from an std::tuple as function arguments?

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Close votes please
I have a feeling I scared everybody away with my manga lists. :(
 
2:21 AM
std::array<std::array<double, N>, K > & mat = *new std::array<std::array<double, N>, K >;
lol
 
2:33 AM
@DomagojPandža ouch, that hurts
ah
> The current free version is PIL 1.1.7. This release supports Python 1.5.2 and newer, including 2.5 and 2.6. A version for 3.X will be released later.
 
Creating an alias to a dinamically allocated std::array, what do you have to do to free it? delete &mat? Hah. And then the guy comes to question stdlib's performance.
Brilliant ideas all around.
 
@DomagojPandža It was because I compared with a very large K and got a stack overflow and was relegating it to the heap so I could benchmark. LOL, you never know who's listening in : )
 
It's not just in programming. There are many a company board in Norway with members who are sufficiently incompetent to be unable to understand they're not world masters of management (everything bad is the fault of others). It's a phenomenon that got a name around 2000, when there were several papers about in psychological journals.
The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than average. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their mistakes. Actual competence may weaken self-confidence, as competent individuals may falsely assume that others have an equivalent understanding. As Kruger and Dunning conclude, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others...
 
Hah, I love when such concepts get a named effect after them. :D
 
@Oliver one important thing when comparing is to turn off range checking for indexing. i.e. build as release, and maybe for Visual C++ explicitly turn off checking.
One important thing when asking, is to list the compiler invocations used
 
2:43 AM
@CheersandhthAlf I can't get the difference to manifest on VC++.
 
There is no difference, did a check in VC++ myself too. Almost invariant.
Anyways, if there were a drastic difference, it would be the fault of the standard library's developers - and that's like saying they have no idea what they're doing.
There simply can't be a huge discrepancy between the two, the similarities are too great.
 
@CheersandhthAlf Thanks-- I'm using [] (not .at). I'm not sure of any other range checking that would be active, but hopefully it's turned off with -O3.
 
@Oliver Posted an answer you may wish to read.
 
@DeadMG Cheers. Regardless, I don't think the difference is from STL, but instead from the compiler optimizations. Perhaps gcc is more aggressive at performing loop transformations on array. The outer array may be transformed when it's better not to.
 
@Oliver ... Did you try it?
as for the loop optimizations, the only way to prove that would be to dump the assembly for the faster and slower versions, which you did not
 
2:58 AM
@DeadMG I'm not well-versed with direct OS allocation, so it's going to take me a little time. Also, I did dump the assembly-- all versions are only slightly different, but I haven't been able to figure out how well enough yet (my CISC assembly isn't very strong).
 
I meant, dump it into the question as a pastebin link or something so we can read it
 
@DeadMG Posted assembly code.
 
@Oliver Oh, if my theory is correct, you could also try new char[sizeof(std::array...] and place into that.
 
i get about double time for vector of vectors
with visual c++ 10
i've tried to remove index checking to no avail
 
@DeadMG Do you think *new std::array<std::array<double, N>, K >[1] would be worthy trying (despite its already being mocked)?
 
3:05 AM
could be
 
Vector of vectors is a double time, yes. But that's just a whole lot of indirection.
 
@CheersandhthAlf vector of vectors makes sense to me-- For vector of arrays, when the inner array is small (e.g. 1 element long), the compiler can treat it as such (essentially making vector<double>). So for vector of vectors, there's added overhead for looping over one element, plus the indirection @Domagoj points out.
 
Anyway, even though it had no effect as far as I could tell, if you're not familiar with Visual C++ checked iterators then read
 
@CheersandhthAlf Interesting-- Visual C++ specific or more general than that?
 
it's specific, but g++ has a similar thing (you link with a special debug version of the standard library)
hm, i'm sort of pretty tired, since it's early in the morning
i think someone more awake than me should check out the assembly and find out what the exactly is going on
"the": missing expletive was deleted :-)
but anyway, for 2D matrices I've always recommended just allocating a large 1D array and computing indices from (x,y). it's simplest and most efficient.
I think it was the robot here who some months ago got tired of all the "how do I do matrix in C++" questions, and published a really nifty class
it's interesting in a way. when I learned Basic (with line numbers!) in the 1980 or thereabouts, it had built-in matrix support. I've not seen it since in any programming language.
 
3:17 AM
@CheersandhthAlf I agree. Plus, there's a nice trick for indexing sub-matrices without copying when you use a single array (I feel like it was named "strider").
 
oh yes, std::valarray supports strides, IIRC
but who uses std::valarray
just looking at it, it looks complex
 
People just need to understand the difference between mental images of n-dimensional matrices and what they're at their most basic.
Like with a lot of things, it is just pure understanding that can rid us of bad questions on SO.
 
@DeadMG Just checked std::array<std::array<double, N>, K > & mat = *new std::array<std::array<double, N>, K >[1]; Runtimes are the same as array of arrays (slower than std::array<double, N>*). I'd guess the compiler is unrolling the outer array to the detriment of the code's efficiency.
 
> Robin Dunn, creator and mastermind behind wxPython, announced today on his blog and the wxPython-dev mailing list that he had gotten wxPython 2.9 (Phoenix) to build successfully for Python 3.2 on Mac. In fact, he posted a Quicktime video that shows the build and the tests running in Python 3!
^ Post Date : Thursday, May 24th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
 
Time to roll some BF3 coop
 
3:29 AM
So I haven't really used the flagging for anything other than when the OP edits their question to just spam and starts raging. Is closing these kinds of questions enough, or do they qualify for the low quality flag (so they don't spam up the list)?
 
@DomagojPandža Need a partner?
 
@DeadMG Sure, better than public matchmaking!
Never tried that crap before though.
Fire from the sky and Exodus seem to be readily available
 
uh
actually, maybe you hould go public matchmaking, forgot I'm playing Starcraft 2 right now :P
I'll be done in a few minutes
 
Call in when ready, doesn't have to be coop
 
will do
 
3:33 AM
I'll try it for a while. And who's this poor sod from chris' message?
 
I'm just wondering if those posts that you know will just get closed/downvoted should be flagged so they get deleted since all they do is take space in the list.
Or if there's a good reference on flagging or something with examples anywhere
 
@chris They'll just fall off the list at one point.
 
I guess, I just wondered how people managed to have so many flags when I've only seen 2 posts that really got out of hand.
 
@chris some people are just flag-happy
 
dom, still up for that co-op?
 
3:40 AM
Sure thing, fire from the sky?
Normal/hard?
 
hard plix
join voice in party
 
@chris My flags sky rocketed when I got to 10k and gained to ability to see what others have flagged.
 
@cHao Re flag happy: tinyurl.com/7okp5fu
 
@EtiennedeMartel, Good point, thanks.
Looking through meta on the subject atm.
 
3:54 AM
bah
too easy
 
You didelidooos.
 
4:11 AM
Getting owned by AI, yay.
 
eh
simply didn't put the AT mines in the right places
or it wouldn't have been a problem
 
Yeah, staying alive wasn't a problem, them breaking the lines was. Slow to get a lock on those big bastards, being pinned down and all
 
yeah
that's why I prefer AT mines
but I put them in stupid place
 
Always wanted to do this :Đ
Broke my ass a few times, gave up.
 
Hmm, I smell weird.
 
4:17 AM
Damn, I don't feel like reinstalling Starcraft II. Going to work on the website, but first I need to go running again
Keep the routine, trying not to die and shit
 
@DomagojPandža Start the install before you go running.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Then Kyro will suffer even more :Đ
 
@DomagojPandža If you can't focus on Kyro while SC2 is installed on your hard drive, then you have bigger issues.
I knew a guy who configured his proxy to block Facebook because he had to study for his exams and he did not want to be distracted.
 
Ahahahah
 
Not going on Facebook never crossed his mind.
 
4:20 AM
I usually just use that as a figure of speech, no problem concentrating.
That example with Facebook and studying, heard it a million times.
People are just lazy, they'd just find an another excuse not to work.
 
When work is boring, everything is more than exciting than working.
 
Some idiots in Croatia invented a card which retains "negative" energy from phone EM radiation.
 
NEGATIVE ENERGY. WTF.
 
@DomagojPandža There's no evidence that any EM from phones is harmful.
 
4:22 AM
TECHNOBABBLE GO!
 
but of course, "negative energy", lols
 
Negative energy? That thing must be bad. It got "negative" in the name!
 
@DeadMG It is idiotic, to say the least. You're bathed in EM radiation of a much higher frequency everyday. It's called sunlight.
 
Every human is at least slightly radioactive.
 
I hate those douchebags. A guy drives a motorcycle, gets cancer. Motorcycles cause cancer.
Yup, radioactivity is a property of every object in the Universe, it's a simple fact that everything is subject to entropy
and decay.
I hate idiots.
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Especially those who violate the word energy.
 
4:24 AM
@DomagojPandža That's the kind of thing that would go on your grave.
 
Energy is the ability of a system to do work. Any kind of work. It is nothing you can feel.
It's a property of an object in a given predicament.
A human property.
Star Trek is partly to blame for such misconceptions.
You don't have glowing blobs of energy. If you can see it, it is matter.
And one of the things I hate the most is that people say EM radiation from phones goes through your brain.
GOES THROUGH MY DICK, it does.
It has a wavelength the size of a building.
Gamma, xrays - that can blast through objects and deposit energy (the ability to do work) in tissue which can end up doing serious damage. That's way we have the Fermi telescope which tries to capture high-frequency photons which would otherwise rape through.
Bah, I need to calm down before I get a mental ulcer.
 
Get drunk!
 
4:40 AM
Holy batshit, I can already see Kyrostat running in my head. It's glorious.
 
Then you should get drunk.
 
getting drunk is your response to everything
 
I know. And you should try it. It allows you to solve absolutely no problems!
And then you wake up with a headache, a dry throat the the feeling that you really shouldn't have done that.
And then you do it again.
It's like an infinite loop of mediocrity.
 
Friendly fire in BF3 makes it fun. :$
1:23 wins
 
4:55 AM
That's one close call.
 
Good Morning all
 
It's almost 01:00 here.
 
That's why it is worth making MP games, good MP games :Đ
I'm looking at Call Of Duty BO II, how the hell does that shit sell?
 
no idea
 
5:04 AM
telling you, AAA gaming is dying
 
They waste way too much money on such projects.
 
agree
 
6:02 AM
Another nice run! Hooah.
 
6:24 AM
reference equality
fuck me I am le sexy
maybe I should actually do some things on the to do list
:P
 
7:12 AM
Just did some BF3 kamikaze runs.
Was fun, kept their base occupied.
Stole their jets, helis, returned them to the homebase and let my buddies take over.
 
you know
it occurs to me that my std::function-esque does not permit the means to specify axioms on the function
 
7:27 AM
Alright, I'm finishing this PHP crap with the devzone and moving to something interesting.
Can't wait to actually put in some actual work.
 
lol
a / b / c == a/bc, IIRC?
 
Yup :P
 
yeah
so logically, a / c / b == a / b /c
 
Only the context is lost, like in m/s/s
ms^(-2)
 
oh yeah, about that me no care
 
7:30 AM
Logically, if you divide a cake into b parts then each of the parts into c parts, then it is the same if you simply divided it into bc parts.
`int NoOfItems = 10
ObjectReference[] MyItems = new ObjectReference[NoOfItems] ; this line does not work`
Hah.
Papyrus script requires a constant integer literal in order to spawn an array and still uses the "new" syntax
 
lolwot?
 
Creation Engine / Bethesda
 
that is le wtf
hmmmm
 
The engine of Skyrim, scripting language... Jeff Lundin, I had a discussion with him on it being crap.
Some very off ideas, no notion of dynamic arrays
 
do you think that all arithmetic types can be, for example, multiplied by an integer?
 
7:38 AM
In essence, yes. Hard to spot something that isn't. But, still context, context, context.
 
mm
I think I'll cut defining this particular axiom for now
 
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@DomagojPandža Does that mean it's done, or you're taking a break?
 
@DeadMG On the final stretch, I don't take breaks. :D
I start something, I finish it. Then move on.
Otherwise, my idea overflow would kill me.
 
RaiseException(IDEA_OVERFLOW)
 
7:42 AM
Hope I won't get a bunch of feature creeps working on the renderer.
 
lol
 
Best done abstracted and iteratively. Basic love, medium love, extreme love, overseer love.
 
I promise to spank you before that happens?
 
The only thing that worries me is that there will be a guy on the team who'll have a problem running the game.
1/20, it is bound to happen. Bah
 
good
I hope that we drag out a whole bunch of technical problems
I hope that we are sunk under a Titanicload of bug reports from team members
 
7:44 AM
Better from the team than from the users.
 
exactly
you can never get debug information from a user anywhere near as much as you could get from me
 
YOUR GAME IS BROKEN.
FAGS.
Debug info end of file. //...
 
lol
you'd be lucky to get "YOUR GAME IS BROKEN" instead of "YOU'RE A FUCKING MORON"
 
I think I'm going to bring online components as they're ready. Forums shouldn't wait for various styling issues and code additions to the wiki and the chat system.
Zend Certified PHP 5 Engineer - in some countries also regarded as Retard Certification.
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aahahahahah
 
lol
 
8:15 AM
man
posting a new version of the Wide spec
why can I only upload at 4kb/s to Amazon? :cry
every 50kb increase in the size of the spec makes versioning it more irking
right, new version posted
 

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