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Perfect timing
 
There's one reopen vote
 
that it just gathered
 
OP's own?
 
maybe
 
 
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1:10 AM
@Joe yes, that was the one. Sorry.
 
 
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2:32 AM
Is there a Meta about this change of meaning?
There should be one, right?
 
3:18 AM
@BaummitAugen I've been banned for approving less obvious than that. So probably should be
I think we should reject that change. The reasoning is clearly wrong. There are several questions about Apollo MQ
 
> Before changing the meaning of a tag, please consult Meta.
Rejected. ^
 
3:54 AM
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Q: You'd better have a good reason to keep the [light] on while I'm programming

Makoto[Spoken strictly from my experiences in comfortable, dark offices with minimal noise.] I stumbled upon the light tag today. Not really sure what purpose it serves. Its short description is: light is basis for our visual perception ...which is not reassuring, but then we go into this awes...

 
When you use a spam/rude/abusive flag, and the Community user downvotes the post for you, can the Community user downvote the post again if someone else flags, or is it a one-time downvote?
 
1 dv per flag methinks.
 
I was thinking about this with this answer you reported earlier, because there were only 2 downvotes, but I thought 6 people had to flag something for it to be automatically deleted.
 
@4castle Undo saw it, so mod nuke most likely.
 
 
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5:28 AM
Going to bed. Bye! o/
 
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user3956566
How did this only take 6 delete votes with all the upvotes and upvoted answers?
 
How many does it usually take?
 
user3956566
@QPaysTaxes oh I thought it took a lot more
 
user3956566
@4castle for most no-voted ones 3
 
5:49 AM
@QPaysTaxes They can be closed for No MCVE though. "It's not working" isn't a specific programming question.
 
user3956566
6:11 AM
I've edited the tag wiki and excerpt with respect to this meta.stackoverflow.com/a/345286/3956566 if anyone would care to review. Thanks
 
user3956566
you've changed your avatar @ColdFire
 
yes few days back
 
Ayy @ColdFire Long time no see o/
 
 
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8:08 AM
@rene jsut wanted to have a chat with you about the to understand your reasoning of the synonym, I'm wondering if there's an English misunderstanding?
 
@YvetteColomb yeah, blame lack of coffee. It didn't spellcheck so I choose whatever Chrome offered me...
and continued reasoning from that point on-ward ...
So I went light(n)ing fast into the wrong direction
sorry for the confusion
 
user3956566
@rene I do agree that both could possibly come under lighting.
 
8:24 AM
@YvetteColomb yeah, I have no strong opinion if it should go or stay. I follow your point as well.
 
user3956566
@rene my first reaction was 'go' then I saw it's useful. Either way, not life threatening :D
 
Being hit by lighting or lightning might make a big difference ...
afk
 
 
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10:56 AM
Why did Youtube just recommend me five channels in a language I cannot even tell apart the letters of?
 
11:10 AM
@JanDvorak Learn a new language every year?
 
I'm worried that learning Arabic might deny me the access to USA
 
11:26 AM
@JanDvorak That about "Land of the Free"
 
I thought it was called the "land of the dreams"
 
11:58 AM
@AndrewLi o/
been busy
 
12:14 PM
 
@JanDvorak Nightmares are dreams, too.
 
Nah, what they meant is that you'll have to keep dreaming of a brighter future even after you get there.
 
@JanDvorak wow, not even the manual
 
If we go by the atheist cosmology, the only bright future humanity can hope for is when our Sun goes boom.
Today I learned that New Zealand has sand you can pick up with a magnet.
 
12:32 PM
@JanDvorak That has nothing to do with atheism. And there is no thing like "atheist cosmology".
 
atheist cosmology = what science says and nothing more
How would you call that?
 
That's more like astrophysics
 
12:46 PM
@JanDvorak That would be scientism, not atheism. Atheism is about not believing a higher being exists (simplified). It does not imply not believing in pure science.
Scientism otoh is just another religion. And nothing true scientists believe in, because that would inhibit all research. Good example is the relativity theory for which not even an indicator existed when it was postulated first.
 
Hi guys! I saw two tags that I think should be removed. 15 questions mostly related to find parking spots, but also something related to parking domains (which I really don't know what it is), and 18 questions, which is the name of the OpenCV Python module and can use be expressed by the combination of the and .
Do you think I need to go through the burnination request on meta, or can I just remove those tags by myself and let the system remove them automatically?
 
I'm wondering how many scientists believe in God. I've heard all sorts of figures.
 
@Miki the later are off topic questions
 
@Braiam ops, sorry.
 
@JanDvorak I find Agnosticism much more appealing. After all itavoids the definition of "higher being" (from the viewpoint of pets: are we higher beings? - cats and parrots excluded)
 
12:51 PM
@Miki no, he meant that questions about parking domains would be off-topic for SO
 
ah... :)
 
@JanDvorak It is about professional network administration, so I'd give a clear "yes".
 
@Miki I have no issue with removing parking. That goes for the off-topic questions(close, delete) and the tag in cases were the question is OK. I can't judge cv2, may the gals in the Python room can offer advice on that.
and what the others said...
 
> Beware of tools that make it easier to do something that's hard because you're doing it wrong. -- Paul Graham at 3:53 AM - 11 Mar 2017
 
@Miki I'd be careful about the Python-OpenCV module. There might be implementation-specifics which are relevant.
 
12:53 PM
@Olaf agnosticism doesn't tell us how to behave. A speck of skepticism isn't bad, but too much salt doesn't taste good.
@Braiam case in point: dreamweaver, PHP
 
@rene I've a gold badge in and I think that + is the correct way. Nothing specific about by itself
 
@JanDvorak I don't need someone to tell me how to behave. That is a matter of ethics, not religion. Kant's categorical imperative is a good guideline. For the rest: Occam's Razor (sic!)
 
what the heck is cv2?
 
A bad name for opencvpy?
 
oh, right
> To install this package:
pip install opencv-python
To import the package:
import cv2
 
12:56 PM
@Olaf In that case I can see why you'd choose agnosticism.
 
now, why they used cv2 instead of opencv....
 
higher version number :-)
 
@Miki Ha, I didn't check your profile. I think you're save then. Go ahead on the retag/ closing /deleting. Post 's here if you need help with closing (or deleting)
 
@Braiam I think a few people just got confused and inserted the name of the module instead of the "library"
@rene ok good, thanks. I was thinking just about tag removal... I'll also check if some of the questions deserve to be closed
 
the general rule is that you should fix everything when you edit
 
1:03 PM
I'll also remove the and close unrelated network questions if that's ok
 
go ahead
 
ok... thank you guys! ;)
 
@JanDvorak Did I say I did? I just find it appealing.
 
... oh.
 
@Braiam Why do some people use a female article for the moon, others a male? Why do some people call that fusion reactor in the sky "sun"? ... ;-)
 
1:10 PM
@Olaf because it's a pain, and when we named them we didn't knew better
ie. planet and star use the word for star in chinese
 
@Miki You don't have a gold in Python. Are you sure there are no "pythonic" specifics about cv2? I know this about e.g. PySide.
 
@Olaf no, it's just the name of the OpenCV python wrapper. Obviously you work differently in Python and C++.
We can either remove the (just 18 questions), or give the tag some dignity and add a description, etc.. As it is now it's just the results of the error of a few people inserting a non-existing tag in their questions
 
@Miki Well, PyQT provides not more than the Python-interface, so you work in Python the same you do in C++. PySide OTOH provides more abstraction. I have no idea about cv2. I just ask to verify before burning.
Adding a description would be a good idea, of course. I'm still irritated tags can be created without a short description.
 
@Olaf it's no more than a python interface. Most of the problems are due the fact in python you work with numpy arrays instead of std::vector or cv::Mat, but this then becomes a python-related / numpy-related problem, and not about the wrapper itself
 
or sanity check... for that matter
 
1:24 PM
I'm open either to give the tag some dignity, or remove the tag. With 18 (well now 14) questions and a valid alternative (python+opencv) I'd go with tag removal, however.
 
@Miki Not really, as I wrote there could be a more C++ like interface. There is no necessity in general to use numpy arrays. So the usage differs indeed. I'd refrain from burning, buit definitvely be pro about adding some description. But as I will not participate anyway, it is your decission.
 
@Olaf I think I can add some description to the tag for now. If it's still not being used in few weeks (months?) I'll go on with tag removal. Can this be a solution?
 
2:13 PM
@Miki I just stated my opinion. I'm not familiar with cv2 or OpenCV in general; just do what you think is best.
 
user3956566
2:25 PM
when suggesting a tag synonym, do you suggest from the master tag?
 
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2:40 PM
@rene you might like this meta.stackoverflow.com/a/345293/3956566
 
2:53 PM
@YvetteColomb great, looks good.
 
user3956566
@rene do you think it was better to post it as a separate answer?
 
yeah, I think that is fine.
Both answers have merit. Easier also for voting/ commenting
 
user3956566
rene that Q I posted above is a dup of this stackoverflow.com/questions/4216745/…
 
user3956566
can you can my cls-req and add a new one please if you think it has merit?
 
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OP edited it
 
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2:58 PM
 
@YvetteColomb is it? the dupe handles how to create a date from a string, which might be relevant to their question but doesn't answer how to get the diff? I'm not enough into Java to judge.
Maybe ask the fish?
Closing as unclear works for me.
 
user3956566
well it would be a dup of two questions combined. I find that annoying, when it's so searchable and the Op seems to make no effort
 
yeah, agree on that
 
@YvetteColomb Why search for oneself if there are people spoon-feeding?
 
user3956566
@Olaf yes :)
 
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3:02 PM
I'm writing a meta post, this is the second time that came up for me today
 
Someone changed my keymap.
 
@Braiam there were some comments in a now deleted answer that supposedly clarified the post...
 
user3956566
I had people reverse two keys on my keyboard years ago at work. I didn't touch type when inputting my password and ended up being locked out. It turned out to be quite hilarious at the time
 
user3956566
ok posted this meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/345295/… of interest to this room
 
user3956566
3:15 PM
@rene while you're around, do we need a better way to check and close firealarm posts? Are clvreqs too noisy?
 
@YvetteColomb I'm fine with what you do now. The other option is to reply to FireAlarm with cv-pls.
 
user3956566
@rene ah much better idea
 
@Braiam Nice excuse for SHOUTING. But that was more about the typo making my post before unclear.
 
 
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4:39 PM
@FireAlarm cls-pls
 
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4:54 PM
@QPaysTaxes ?
 
user3956566
@QPaysTaxes ah ok I do that too
 
user3956566
 
I think she sleeps sometimes...
 
user3956566
@QPaysTaxes you need to watch how you word things. I don't always insta spam things. I obviously think it's spam. It's a one day user + spam link as the username + no disclosure == spam. Please pay attention to how you word things. There's no need to be confrontational
 
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@JanDvorak odd hours :/
 
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4:58 PM
@QPaysTaxes Last time I checked we did not give spammers a chance
 
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@QPaysTaxes I've taken the discussion over here chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/35972541#35972541
 
How do you know it's not a well-meaning user?
 
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@JanDvorak I've taken the discussion to charcoal
 
user3956566
would you take this over to charcoal where there's some people who's opinions you may respect over mine? seriously
 
user3956566
@QPaysTaxes your reply showed up as I posted mine. And I don't want to discuss it here. You're going on and on at me. I want to take the pressure off. I don't need this. Truly. I'll mute you for a while till you figure out why I'm not enjoying this convo. Maybe someone else can point it out @rene
 
5:04 PM
@QPaysTaxes copy/paste FTW
 
Folks, seriously, don't get hung up in meta-meta discussion over something like this.
 
@QPaysTaxes The difference is that Panta got suspended several times. Yvette almost suspended me.
Nah, she just wants to move the discussion. Don't build up on a minor slip up.
I don't see why not.
bye
Now, if you wanted to join the discussion...
 
This can stop now.
 
Did Undo just Undo that message?
<-- Wolf thinks he's funnier than he is ;-)
 
@Undo: I don't think deleting is a good way to handle such discussions. This will only build up more tension.
 
user3956566
5:13 PM
@Cerbrus I'll pay it high five
 
user3956566
@JanDvorak I never almost suspended you. how?
 
@Olaf Or you could be like: *Shrug* discussion's over apparently.
 
@Olaf At some point, the super direct insults have to stop. This is that point.
 
user3956566
@Undo really even indirect insults should stop.
 
Or was it someone else? I made an ... unwelcome joke regarding homonyms, and it got flagged.
 
user3956566
5:14 PM
@QPay I am not ignoring you all time, just while it was heated.
 
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@JanDvorak nope not me
 
user3956566
there's only been one person I've consistently flagged and they're not here
 
@Cerbrus Some things have to be said. It is more a matter how to receive them. Not all critique means disrespect. I - for mayself - actually most times only state critique if I think the other person is worth the effort.
 
user3956566
@JanDvorak anyway, glad we got that sorted :D
 
ah. Good, thanks. I deserved the flag anyways :-)
 
5:16 PM
@Olaf And some things really shouldn't find their way our of one's mind.
 
@Undo We seem to disagree about what an insult is. Mine was none actually. Too bad the others can't judge due to its instant removal. But as I'Äm not a RO or mod, I appear to better shut up before I get banned.
 
And what you said wasn't critique.
Oh don't go there.
 
No, I just go for now.
 
user3956566
@JanDvorak I have to be really upset to flag something and that wouldn't have offended me. Prob made me laugh
 
user3956566
@Olaf calm down. Go get a beverage and return :)
 
user3956566
5:19 PM
Ok I'm going back to some C#. I'll be lurking
 
On their profile, @YvetteColomb
 
user3956566
@Cerbrus yeh, but only when they're in chat I think :/
 
user3956566
I'll wait till he returns
 
user3956566
I only do that to stop a fight, it's not to be mean. Doesn't mean I don't like the person, but explains I'm ignoring it
 
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5:23 PM
@Undo cool thanks, He's not on there, which means I used the correct temporary thing. Which is why I couldn't un-ignore him on his profile rolls eyes and sighs
 
user3956566
@rene
 
user3956566
Well, we could do a bit of a lightning round and clean that tag up too, while we're at it... — Makoto 1 min ago
 
user3956566
hehehe
 
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5:27 PM
@YvetteColomb borderline I would say. I'm not sure if that is caused by how they query or how they have set it up.
 
user3956566
@rene ok thanks. also did you like the jokes made at your caffeine deprivation? :D
 
@YvetteColomb I take it like a man ...
 
user3956566
@TheCodesee yep uh oh too broad
 
user3956566
@rene but.. you're a flower
 
user3956566
@QPaysTaxes ah cool. I just didn't want to get worked up and fight. Cool, we're good then? We usually get along well
 
user3956566
6:06 PM
@FireAlarm cls-pls
 
@YvetteColomb Closey please?
 
user3956566
@Machavity nah talked to rene, he said I could reply with cls-pls to indicate to peeps that it's close worthy. Just trying to reduce noise
 
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3 hours ago, by rene
@YvetteColomb I'm fine with what you do now. The other option is to reply to FireAlarm with cv-pls.
 
Yeah, so I think the archiver script can pickup cv-pls on a reply to an FA post and then move the FA to the Graveyard (and the reply to the Sanitarium)?
I think that is the least noisy
 
Is it less noisy than simply using the existing format?
 
6:20 PM
yes? Otherwise you have the same line/link posted twice?
 
It takes up the same number of lines
 
user3956566
so we can write cv-pls with no tag formatting? would be easier
 
user3956566
@JanDvorak not always
 
6:35 PM
@YvetteColomb I feel like it's not worth the effort of fixing the userscripts
 
user3956566
@JanDvorak yeh I don't have the energy to contribute to any code on here. I'm struggling to get my own things done. So yeh, I guess I agree
 
user3956566
@QPaysTaxes :D oh Q - and the run of inevitability - i.e. paying taxes
 
user3956566
 
user3956566
Can someone please review these wiki edits in light of this meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/345284/…
 
6:42 PM
It wasn't yet
 
user3956566
yeh but how can you deal with people who are taking a physics definition of light, literally and rejecting it when it's been updated to be useful as a programming tag.
 
user3956566
I'm going to be night
 
user3956566
@QPaysTaxes Q may avoid them (I'm talking about Q) and good luck with the change ;)
 
user3956566
\o
 
7:44 PM
@Rizier123 I'm wondering who upvoted it
 
@JanDvorak someone that knows Russian.
 
8:02 PM
@PetterFriberg Dawai towarisch ;-)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I actually studied Russian once... I would spell it more like Tovarishch
 
Isn't that a term of endearment?
 
@PetterFriberg Следующий мой друг?
@HovercraftFullOfEels Not sure ...
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Следующий?, following, next???
 
@PetterFriberg Google translate :-P
 
8:10 PM
:D, my friend I got, but the following part not..
but I have almost forgotten all Russian by now, to long time ago and no practice
 
8:27 PM
Hello!
 
8:55 PM
@NobodyNada how is the sw for the bots going?
 
@PetterFriberg It's going well, thanks for asking! It's at redunda.erwaysoftware.com. Right now we have management of users, bots, bot instances, and collaborators (users who are allowed to run bot instances). The next task is to implement status pings and start managing which instances should be running and which should be in standby.
 
@NobodyNada Keep me update I will speak Tuna to see how we should do a java lib to communicate with the redunda
 
@πάντα you rolled back the rollback
 
@NobodyNada The history was confusing :P
 
user4639281
History was always confusing
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels the OP that wrote an answer there asked a question on MSE. It is covered by Oded and in good harmony but maybe you have something to add.
 
@rene Thanks. Oded handled it nicely.
I have nothing to add to his great responses.
 
OK
 
9:22 PM
@rene I normally don't downvote answers to bad questions, but that question was so egregious that I decided to do it anyway. Should I mention that in a comment?
 
That is up to you but let me announce on that question that the QA pair did show up in our transcript.
 
@rene: what do you mean by "that the QA pair did show up..."?
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels that the question under scrutiny was posted in our transcript
 
Ah you mean was posted in this room by myself.
 
Sure.
@NobodyNada I left a comment with a link to the room
 
9:32 PM
waffles2
 
user4639281
Waffles
 
Let's not make fun of it, OK?
 
@rene great, thanks!
 
@JoshHeaps welcome
 
9:57 PM
Why thank you. I looked through the recent chat, and I just want to say thanks you guys for the help and support.
 
Np, you're welcome
 
@JoshHeaps No problem! Thanks for understanding!
 
10:18 PM
@4castle leave that OP, lets just close it... I find it due to bad comments
 
 
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11:25 PM
I finally managed to create a bootable Ubuntu thumb drive that works on both Macs and PCs, and is also able to store files like a normal thumb drive, compatible with Windows, Mac and Linux.
I've been trying to do that for a long time.
 

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