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12:00 PM
Anyways, back to assembly :D
 
@tristan ^ Python 3 should know that the largest character is 127 in PM2Ring's case; so I added '\xe4' at the end, then removed it, so that Python 3 now would think that it contains latin1 and would use a slower algorithm.
but no
python 3 is faster by a factor of 6
so I guess there are lies, damned lies and python 2 vs 3 benchmarks
 
user6568562
@AndrasDeak Seriously. The "eyyy" is a sound that the Fonz makes when he likes something. I was the Fonz in that scenario
 
user559633
in fairness of benchmarks, you're comparing a language that's about to be dead with one under active development
 
of course
yet there are people who say "I am not going to switch to Python 3 specifically it is slower with my ascii text"
or "it uses more memory for my ascii text"
 
user559633
maybe that's true on that given day with their given codebase?
 
12:04 PM
yes
it was true in 3.3, say
yet 3.3 is even deader than 2.7
 
Here's a quick demo of what .lower and .upper do in Py 2 & Py 3
 
or was it 3.2
 
a = []
for i in range(256):
    c = chr(i)
    lo, hi = c.lower(), c.upper()
    if not lo == c == hi:
        a.append((i, ''.join((lo, c, hi))))
print(a)
 
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Q: Why is Python 3 is considerably slower than Python 2?

gsb-engI've been trying to understand why Python 3 is actually taking much time compared with Python 2 in certain situations, below are few cases I've verified from python 3.4 to python 2.7. Note: I've gone through some of the questions like Why is there no xrange function in Python3? and loop in pyt...

this is a real stupidity^
and one without good reason.
except the incompetence of CPython developers
 
user559633
eh, it's not peak hours, so i'd say it's fine
 
my wife is a big fan of the academy awards and absolutely refuses to watch it with me cause she cannot take my commentary on Hollywood @AnttiHaapala
 
@randomhopeful OK:D
 
@JGreenwell <g>
 
and, yes, Gravity was the worst film I've seen in at least 4 years
 
@JGreenwell you're in academia, she likes academia awards, I'd say that's a perfect match
 
I hate auto-correct
 
auto-incorrect
Gravity would have been much better if it didn't try to explain so much...
 
somehow I always end up making the tapas for her awards party though.....
 
I'm replacing my faulty 16GB sd card with my old 2GB one:(
so sad
 
is it like the chinese ssd drive? :P
 
12:15 PM
haha, no:D
 
It's a kingston that seems to be dying on me after 4 years. I'm looking forward to challenging their "lifetime warranty"
 
Yeah, I've seen like those before:)
the best ones have a tricky partition table or something and they appear to be 512 GB in size
 
Damn, That's some intelligent guy.
(who made that fake ssd)
 
12:17 PM
happy Saturday all
 
my father-in-law ordered a half-tera flash drive from alibaba, I advised him to write-test all of it:D
@idjaw cabbage, poutinist
 
o/
 
@AndrasDeak ^no, not only
 
@idjaw cbg\o
 
that has fake firmware that remembers the last bytes written
 
12:18 PM
oh, nice
 
@AndrasDeak thus a write test is not enough
you need to write big files there then md5 sum over all of them
 
I'm sure "report fake size" is simpler than "simulate larger size by overwriting old data"
 
user6568562
@AndrasDeak You should consider trying Lexar, very pricy but I've had one for for more than 6 years. It survived so many phones and drives
 
meh
thanks for the tip, anyway:)
lol, @Antti to answer your question, the sd card had fat32:D
 
New thing I'm getting my kids into: Futbol/Soccer = the paraolympic matches have been really cool
 
12:24 PM
futbol?
that's a weird way to rationalize handegg:P
 
user6568562
: D Bump-play
 
user559633
why do you call it football when it's obviously a dive competition?
 
@JGreenwell go watch Murderball Quadrugby Wheelchair rugby too.
 
more like ham contest
 
@tristan something something... hand egg... something something...
 
12:26 PM
Rugby is bad enough....Wheelchairs added to it seems downright bloody (which means I have to go look it up)
 
OMG somebody looked at me drop dead writhing in pain
 
user6568562
@tristan Haha : D Fair enough, use-your-foot-to-kick-the-ball-then-dive competition
 
user559633
@AndrasDeak yeah. for soccer to really get popular in america, you'd have to make diving come with a major penalty
 
user559633
culturally, we're pretty big on fairness and not cheating-by-faking-injury
 
or just give points for pounding the opponent into the ground
 
12:27 PM
Wow... Ukraine are doing well so far
 
not a good signpost
 
@JGreenwell My brother used to play for the Dutch national team (though they didn't qualify for the Bejing Paralympics when he was)
 
My daughter really likes futbol because of the US Women's team (my son likes American football more but still watches)
"look daddy, THEIR GIRLS!" was her first response on seeing them play
 
what is this futbol you keep mentioning?
 
@MartijnPieters perhaps you should change your unicode repr dupe answer to highlight it at top that Python 3 would do what the users want.
more and more I've seen that these people who are struggling with Arabic text being rendered as unicode escapes are really doing NLP...
 
user559633
12:31 PM
@AndrasDeak sometimes americans will call it "futbol" as a compromise in the soccer/football name mismatch
 
bah
 
soccer/"foot"ball
 
DSM
Far too early morning cabbage.
 
@DSM cbg :)
 
user559633
Hah, I've been up since 5.
 
12:32 PM
what @tristan says - also I grew up with a Spanish father and relatives who were really into Real Madrid and that's what they call it
 
@tristan but....why?
 
@MartijnPieters A mate's wife use to be Captain of the England Women football team :)
 
user559633
@idjaw Dude. IDK. I woke up and started thinking about work, so got up, but now I'm just tired and hanging out
 
cause the only people in America who watch football are spanish @idjaw (not true but its what people think)
 
user559633
Unless it's the world cup and we're in it, in which case, all of a sudden a bunch of people pretend to be fans (it's an excuse to day drink). Actually, that's not true, we really liked watching it as a nation when germany was destroying brazil
 
12:34 PM
unless its the women's team
 
DSM
And the hipsters, of course. Because it's foreign, and therefore superior.
 
Tara Proctor (born 31 January 1971) is a former English footballer, and former England international captain. An inspirational central midfielder, Proctor featured for Croydon/Charlton Athletic on the club level. == Club career == Proctor represented England at tennis as a youngster, but decided to play football after a break from sport as a teenager. With Croydon, Proctor won the Premier League three times and the FA Women's Cup twice, before Croydon came under the auspices of Charlton Athletic in 2000. She quit Charlton for Brighton in December 2001, in the aftermath of a huge squad bust-up....
 
oh, yeah. Can't forget those hipsters - but I've yet to meet a real fan among them (could just be me)
 
She's even got her own wiki page!? That's not fair...!!!! I'll have to moan about that when I next see her :p
 
@JGreenwell yep...I totally watch the real football
 
user6568562
12:35 PM
I dig her last name, reminds me of when Banshee used to be cool
 
I watch both (more soccer than football but both) and college basketball - after that it is not my sport
 
@randomhopeful when did you stop liking it?
 
I also occasionally watch baseball but not by choice
 
user6568562
:32770276 : D I plead guilty
 
user559633
baseball is great for watching in-person. on tv....i don't really "get" it
 
12:36 PM
^^ this. yes.
 
@tristan excuse to drink?
 
user559633
in person, it's like "i got my nice summer day/night, i got my beer, i can shout whatever i want, i got my snacks..."
 
When I went to SF, I went to a game and it was so much fun.
 
user559633
@JGreenwell fair. but you can just watch anything else at that point.
 
Yeah! The beer, the garlic fries, the yelling
the homeruns
it was awesome
 
user559633
12:37 PM
yeah, in person, it's a good excuse to just turn off your brain and relax
 
but traditions and such and if you get plastered watching the game - its excusable
 
user559633
fair. as a tribal bonding thing, it makes sense.
 
if you get plastered watching anime - you're weird
 
user6568562
@idjaw Beginning of season 4, they stagnated where they should've evolved a bit, and evolved where they should've calmed down a bit. But I was using drama, it didn't got so bad
 
user559633
i can't get into it as a thing though (being a sports fan) as it's always at the front of my brain that they're not ~~my regional team~~ as they're just paid entertainers that will go where the money takes them. any two teams competing are the same as any other two teams competing
 
12:39 PM
granted I used to say the same thing about video games as a "tribal bonding experience" (it made you weird) but luckily this has changed
 
DSM
I go to see [professional baseball team, though under the circumstances there's little point in redacting it..] play from time to time. Always fun, and the tickets are a lot cheaper than [professional hockey team] or often [professional basketball team].
 
user559633
@JGreenwell yeah, it's weird how video games, and especially playing against/with strangers, became so mainstream
 
People realized they can have fun without meeting people. The best.
 
yeah, the change was quick too @tristan
 
user559633
The only time that I get into specific teams is during the World Cup, because come on, let's be honest, soccer is just a way to express xenophobia/national pride/preferences of countries.
 
12:42 PM
@tristan Yeah. I used to be a this is my team, but then I thought about it and asked, why am I supporting this team? The players come and go....I like the players on the team at that given time....so I just moved to liking the sport.
 
user559633
@idjaw Yeah. I grew up in [region of US with famously extreme loyalty to teams of all sports] and realized at a very early age that the people weren't "from here."
 
user6568562
I used to be a this is my team, but then I thought about it and asked, why am I supporting this team ? The players are a bunch of jerks and none of them can actually play what he's paid to play [In world cup, when I was younger. Now I'm more of a curling guy]
 
When something crazy happens in world of sports here, I always tune in to the local sports radio to listen to the crazies rant about how they would do a better job
it's sooo entertaining
 
user559633
@idjaw haha yeah. i used to love going to watch UFC at bars for that very reason.
 
@tristan isn't that anywhere in the US?
 
user559633
12:46 PM
@JGreenwell Fair, but here it's "did we win? flip cars. did we lose? flip cars and fight police"
 
I guess...
 
you mean Chicago? ;)
 
no itertools.consume in Python 2.7
 
user559633
@JGreenwell I think their celebrations involve shooting each other too
 
or Boston? or Ohio? or LA? or ...
 
DSM
12:48 PM
@AnttiHaapala: eh?
 
@tristan it's the constant in big-sports-city. Montreal in the playoffs, there are always scenes in the streets
 
Hey @idjaw, in case you missed it earlier when Jon linked it, check out stackoverflow.com/questions/39424329/… It's a WTF all-time top contender.
 
@DSM freudian slip
meant 3.6 :D
 
@PM2Ring oh wow, I just noticed the def inside that mess and realized it's going to be a good one
 
wow that is....just wow
 
12:52 PM
BTW, I saw in the transcripts that someone plagiarised an answer of yours yesterday, so I left them a comment:
You are allowed to base the code in your answer on someone else's code, if you think you can improve it. But if you do do that you must make it totally clear that you are copying someone else's code. Give their name in your answer, and you should give a link to the original code, especially if it's not on the same page as your answer. If the original code is not on SO make certain that the license of that code permits such copying (the license of code posted to SO permits such use). — PM 2Ring 3 hours ago
 
@PM2Ring oh. Thanks for commenting!
 
@JGreenwell Yeah. See here for the original responses.
4 hours ago, by Jon Clements
Wowsers... big wall of code for calculating age... http://stackoverflow.com/questions/39424329/how-would-i-assign-age-as-11-if-they‌​-entered-2005-as-the-year-of-birth
@idjaw No worries. Hopefully they won't try that sort of thing again...
 
I need a Welsh word starting with rh.
 
@AnttiHaapala it doesn't have any vowels - so that could well be a welsh word...
 
@PM2Ring Yeah...related, I think that was the third incident of called out plagiarism this week that I saw posted here.
 
12:55 PM
@JonClements even cwm has a vowel...
 
if not - just add a few more h's and d's to it :)
 
rhaffo (to rope)
 
user559633
 
well, that surely looks like one
 
12:57 PM
@tristan Is there a series of those? Or is that more of a one off...because every time I see that I get a good laugh
 
user559633
@idjaw you made this for yourself
 
@tristan duh...silly. Thanks for reminding me. Gonna social media upload my new drawing
1 min lol
 
I need to remove 3 chars from my solution to beat that pesky ES6
 
I'm assuming a goal has just been scored by the sudden shouting from over the road...
 
DSM
I thought Morgan was our only golfer.
 
12:59 PM
they just recently suspended someone on puzzling for plagiarism so its not just SO
 
user6568562
@idjaw True. The step where he's contemplating the craftsmanship just before appropriating it gets me everytime : D He's sad someone managed to do something this great. I love it
 
@JonClements hehe...reminds me of my dad's stories when we were in London (I was too young to remember) about his introduction to crazy football reactions in the streets
 
granted my time in the muck and garbage of SOD trying to stomp out plagiarism, before I just gave up, is making me extra punitive towards it (and I was pretty hard on it before hand)
 
@JGreenwell Sadly it's fairly prevalent on SO, but it gets handled firmly :)
 
There was a professor at the military academy, I never attended but met the guy, who had a hammer (standard claw hammer) on a stand on his desk with a plate attached to it which said Don't Plagiarize
 
1:14 PM
hmm...is there really no good dupe for stackoverflow.com/questions/39426149/…
?
 
I'm sure there is, somewhere, but it might be hard to find a good one. Funnily enough, we had (kinda) the inverse problem a bit earlier: stackoverflow.com/questions/39425203/…
 
hmmm...it's more related to the mis-use of the if though...
 
time to take advantage of the weather and take the kids for a walk, rbrb all
 
@idjaw Yeah, it's more about how or works, and it only looks at the initial char in the string.
 
@JGreenwell Enjoy! We are using my dad for that today since my wife and I have a lot of home projects to tackle with this being her weekend off. Waiting for him to show up
 
1:18 PM
home projects ( Í¡° ͜ʖ Í¡°)
 
yeah...apparently there is this list of responsibilities you inherit when you buy your own home
hahah...oh....the ascii art made what you are implying more pronounced
 
user559633
new home owner responsibility:
- don't burn it down
- continue not burning it down
- eventually replace everything besides the walls
 
and then the walls
 
- set aside money for when toddlers break <thing>
 
1:21 PM
at which point is the house no longer the house, etc.
 
user559633
"the house is the memories you form in it, silly" - someone that owns a sucky house
 
Hmm...I'm overwriting my possibly-faulty sd card with zeros, and it hasn't thrown any errors for quite a while. It might turn out that my smart phone is the one being dumb
 
Excuse me. We don't own a house. We own a home.
 
user559633
"Excuse me. We don't own a house. We own a home." - A condo owner
 
@idjaw Here's one a pretty good one, apart from the question title, Deleting consonants from a string in Python
 
1:22 PM
:D
 
@PM2Ring Yup....it almost makes you want to edit the title a bit to have something about vowels more explicitly :P
 
user6568562
@idjaw we don't know you and we don't owe you but if you see us around, I've got something else to show you
 
@tristan I never understood the usage of "condo" to indicate that you own the thing, while if you are renting then you say, "yeah I'm renting an apartment"
and you can be talking about the exact same space
 
user559633
@idjaw you can rent a condo
 
but then what differs a condo from an apartment room
 
1:25 PM
I suppose there's not too much point closing it now, but I'll link that question I found with a comment.
 
user559633
when on the spectrum does blue become slightly darker blue?
 
I owned a condo for a few years...I said condo too...I just don't really understand why there is a difference
 
user559633
why is it that when i live in a house, i'm a home owner, but when i live on the street, i'm not a street owner
 
user559633
ownership laws are so confusing in this country
 
user6568562
@idjaw I believe the residential place, as a whole, makes the difference. (Not huge apartment buildings, but bigger living places yet sharing the entrance)
 
1:27 PM
dad Google tells me:
>While each type of housing unit can come in a wide range of styles, the main difference between the two lies in the form of ownership. Basically, the definition of a condo is a unit that's owned individually, with the common areas of the complex owned equally among all condo owners under the umbrella of an association
and, @tristan .... I fully support "street owner".
Oh! I almost forgot! Tropico 4 is free for a few more hours
go grab it, gamerzzz
 
user559633
Yeah, that's my implicit understanding. When you rent an apartment, you're renting from the building owner. When renting a condo, you're renting from the owner of that apartment
 
ooh, worms clan wars on sale...
 
user6568562
@tristan Yeah that makes sense (esp, for renting a condo)
 
oh, on humble bundle somehow?
 
alright...redeemed to never be played.
#steamlyfe
 
1:35 PM
does "redeeming your key" mean using what you buy?
 
user559633
@idjaw Do you have two factor auth enabled on steam? It won't accept the linking for me between humble and steam
 
@tristan I do have two factor, and I did manual linking. I didn't know they tried to auto-redeem for you, actually
 
user559633
Yeah, I saw a thing that you have to redeem it by some point in order to keep it (NOTE: Your free Tropico 4 key must be redeemed to your Steam account within 7 days of the end of the promotion.)
 
I have almost two weeks to butter up the wife for worms:P
 
@tristan oh weird. I didn't know that was a thing. I remember forgetting to redeem something for quite some time, luckily it was still there for me.
 
1:53 PM
alright. Time to start doing things around the house
later all
 
user559633
laters
 
user6568562
I feel there should be an idm.stackexchange some day
 
user6568562
with a /room/n/minimal
 
2:14 PM
cbg folks!
 
Go go gadget!
 
how's life?
 
Not bad. I've been listening to a lot of great jazz from Spanish school kids. For example, After You've Gone. The vocalist on that track, Eva Fernandez, is also a great sax player, and many of the players in that band are also great vocalists.
 
cool! I'll have to listen to it later today - I'm at a TA orientation session
 
2:29 PM
Ah ok. :) Here's a wonderful exuberant version of the bossanova classic, Àguas de março. One of those girls plays trombone, the other plays sax.
 
Cabbage @inspectorG4dget! Long time, How have ya been?
 
I need coffee
why can't I download coffee? Java just isn't the same
 
@randomhopeful LOL. I once saw a great performance of Bolero at a "family" concert at the Sydney Opera House. The idea was to make the concert less intimidating than the usual type of classical music performance, and to make it more interesting for kids. So rather than having all the performers on stage, various soloists were situated around the hall and would "magically" appear when it was time for them to come in. It was great fun, and really added to the atmosphere.
 
user6568562
2:42 PM
@PM2Ring That's amazing for a kid ! He gets to stay close to any instrument he would like to
 
Currently trying to install SDK 7 so I can compile for Py3.4 on Windows 10. It's awful.
 
@randomhopeful Keeping to the classical / impressionist mood, here's Debussy's Claire de Lune, featuring Lydia Kavina playing the melody on a theremin!
 
user6568562
@PM2Ring I got to like symphonies and orchestras when I got past the faces the conductor makes. He can manage adrenaline any way he wishes to + musicians need him like a traffic sign
 
there are some fun videos where somebody's put in place of the conductor, who has no idea how to conduct
just to prove that it's not arbitrary waving around that's going on:D
 
user559633
oh god, i hope it takes more to be in charge of a train than just arbitrary hand movements
 
2:52 PM
something something electricity
 
user559633
no need, my joke already ran out of steam
 
Trying to use your headphones with iPhone 8 be like
 
I'm not a huge fan of classical music, and I generally detest the sound of classical singing (although I appreciate that the style evolved in the era when you needed to fill a hall without the luxury of amplifiers), but I love the tight integration of classical players, especially a good symphony orchestra. And I'm rather fond of contrapuntal music, like Bach's fugues.
 
@inspectorG4dget upload to imgur?
 
2:54 PM
trying
 
press "upload..." there ---_\
 
user6568562
@PM2Ring Very beautiful Presence and playing
 
Trying to use your headphones with iPhone 8 be like ^
 
@randomhopeful She's an angel, just visiting us mere mortals. :)
 
I thought the theremin was the instrument of the devil
 
user6568562
2:57 PM
Because so few can use it. You can make it screech by moving your hands, not much more
 
user6568562
Also, in classical music, I found out that every conductor makes his own "instructions", and they call it interpretation. It's crazy, same piece can sound meh or very cool depending on the guy
 
@randomhopeful Yeah, the lack of tactile feedback makes it insanely difficult.
 
user6568562
@PM2Ring True : D Same as it were for Kepler, no Nasa data feed, no State of the art faders and knobs
 
3:14 PM
What do you mean? Kepler is full of gadgets
 
I'm not on Kepler, nor are any of my clones
 
@randomhopeful Yeah. :)
Now for something completely different. Roxy Music Editions Of You, before they became boring and commercial. Check out Brian Eno's insane analog synth solo, where he selects the note frequencies by turning a knob. :)
And after that madness, here's something very traditional. It's an old favourite of mine, a Scottish version of an old English song called Twa Corbies (Two Crows), performed by the sublime Scottish-Irish harpist Maeve Gilchrist and her trio.
 
user6568562
@AndrasDeak Haha : D Didn't know this one. I feel they should've asked the guy about wordarting his name
 
Kepler's great. I mean the space telescope. It was designed to watch a small subset of visible stars, constantly looking at their brightness. If it sees a dip, and that repeats periodically, odds are there's at least one (exo)planet orbiting the star.
And all this, following us on our orbit around the Sun:)
space telescopes ftw
 
user6568562
@PM2Ring This is insanely good stuff The loudness the attitude : D I didn't know about this band nor that Brian Eno was in it.
 
3:28 PM
@randomhopeful Here's another one of their hits from the same album (which I still listen to regularly). Do the Strand
 
user6568562
@AndrasDeak Thanks for the information, man. I was being a smart ass. If you know more about how it transmits its data to the receiving end on the ground, I'll be happy to learn [ :
 
@randomhopeful I posted a link yesterday to a clip by a band named 801. Eno was in that band, as was Phil Manzanera, the guitarist from Roxy Music. 801 was formed for a few concerts when Roxy was temporarily disbanded. chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/6?m=32749311#32749311 I think you'll like this track: TNK; it's their take on the Beatles song Tomorrow Never Knows.
brb
 
user6568562
@PM2Ring I'm sure I will : D I'm already hang up on their energy. The vocalist is crazy entertaining on top of the insane musicians
 
3:46 PM
can I download food somewhere... mesohungy
 
user6568562
what would you download if it was possible ?
 
drone pizza delivery should market themselves that way
you know... carbohydrates, proteins, vitamins, minerals... the usual
 
user559633
 
and NTFSs (I'd like to be able to consume over 4GB of food at a time)
 
user6568562
I should've thought it would be pizza : D What else would you want to download
 
user6568562
3:51 PM
@tristan I so had to get a hold of my self to not make a digestion related joke
 
such a joke would have started out just find... but I have a feeling it would have had a very dark ending
 
user6568562
Actually, very clear and liquid ending
 
user6568562
I am really weak when it comes to resolutions
 
mine's 1920x1080
 
user559633
what are you, a CRT monitor
 
user559633
3:53 PM
dammit inspector
 
tee hee
 
More 801: Miss Shapiro
 
user6568562
4:20 PM
I'm going through the whole Collector edition, it gets listened to like a charm [ : I'll definitely check that one after
 
@randomhopeful Excellent. The 801 live album is really designed to be listened to in order, preferably without a break.
 
user6568562
Third uncle is f*cking well done
 
user6568562
@PM2Ring Yeah, I keep that in mind when the artist isn't the kind to be "actively present on social media" The whole play is continuous
 
@randomhopeful It's like a manic version of 'Till There Was You :)
I was almost going to post 3rd Uncle when I posted East of Asteroid, but I thought it might be a bit too full-on. I guess I shouldn't have worried about that in this room. :)
IIRC, 801 Live was the 1st album to use sequencers. They were pretty primitive compared to later technology. The sounds themselves were analog, only the sequencing part was digital. But it was totally radical at the time - we'd never heard anything quite like it.
 
user6568562
@PM2Ring True : D It didn't cross my mind, but it's true. At times, you forget this is live recording, it's crazy
 
4:33 PM
And those old sequencers were a bitch to program: MIDI was still quite a few years away, so this was very pionerering technology. Fortunately, Brian Eno was (and still is) equally gifted at fiddling with technology and being a crazy creative musician. :)
 
user6568562
@PM2Ring Yeah, I can believe that. I didn't know about the premiere of use, but sequencers were like tiny buffers to store analog machines output and you could loop it, slice it, reverse it, speed it up down. It was something out of a Verne book
 
Indeed
 
user6568562
@PM2Ring That's something I learned to notice. I was only familiar with Eno's work that were a very very direct influence to artists like Moby et al
 
user6568562
He is very accomplished
 
user6568562
@PM2Ring I have trouble imagining another signal besides MIDI to feed sound into processors : D
 
4:38 PM
Another thing I learned about Eno a few years ago: he's a fan of Conway's Game of Life.
 
user6568562
That makes sense. Something I like about him is his minimalistic approach to anything as complex as it could
 
user6568562
The wording isn't adequate, but I meant confident work that exudes know-how
 
user6568562
Without doing too much
 
Understood.
 
user6568562
[ :
 
user6568562
5:01 PM
Another great mind, this time from your own land of Oz. John Butler - Ocean
 
Yeah, John's great. And when playing live he loves getting into long improvisational jams.
 
user6568562
True : D
 
5:16 PM
@randomhopeful no, sorry:) I'm only vaguely familiar with the physical aspect of the project
 
Here's another Aussie track for you, from the heyday of prog rock Golden Miles by Healing Force. The vocalist, Charlie Tumahi, was actually from New Zealand, but we tend to "adopt" successful New Zealand immigrants. :)
 
user6568562
@AndrasDeak I managed to read a bit about the project. The explanation of why scientists think there's an exo planet that Kepler could observe is very impressive
 
there are already hundreds it has found:)
maybe thousands?
it works like a charm, at least for planets that pass right before their star from our perspective
it's starting to seem that it's more common for a star to have planets than to not
I've seen brightness-time diagrams for a typical case, they are amazing
 
user6568562
@AndrasDeak Oh I see, I misunderstood what I read, then
 
@randomhopeful what you read might have predated the data:)
 
user6568562
5:26 PM
That's more likely : D
 
@AndrasDeak there's a "huge" dip in brightness when the planet is in front of its star ("huge" as in "the planet shadows 0.01% of its star's apparent surface" or something), and there's a "small" dip half a period later: when the planet is almost behind its star, it reflects some of the light at us, just like our Moon. When the planet hides behind the star a bit later, this brightness is lost temporarily. And it's visible in Kepler's signal.
OK, I can't find "small dip" figures right now, that may have been just an expectation
after all, it takes a long time for some of these planets to go around their star
"big dip" ^, 1e-3 change in flux:)
 
@AndrasDeak OTOH, Kepler is best at finding large planets that are close to their primary, so they tend to have fairly short periods.
 
Found one!
@PM2Ring yeah, I realized that by now, thanks:)
although I imagined that the visible part of the star corresponds to a very tiny piece of the planet's orbit
so I thought it might still take too long
but I just didn't google well enough:D
 
user6568562
@AndrasDeak Is this the article related to the flux mentioned in the diagrams ?
 
@randomhopeful probably yes
but it's also probably normalized with respect to the star's baseline flux
that's why it's at 1 during non-transit
so what is plotted above is dimensionless
 
5:44 PM
Rhubarb
 
Cya
 
rhubarb PM
 
6:01 PM
Hmm.....so my allegedly broken sd card didn't throw any IO errors when I wrote it full with zeros. Now trying to benchmark with gnome's silly gui...
I'm starting to worry that the card is fine:/
 
user559633
On the bright side, you'll probably break the SD card by writing to it so much
 
So it turns out that even if you install postgresql and the required compiler for the version of Python, and add postgres bin to the path, pip install psycopg2 still doesn't work. And gohlke only provides latest builds, so requirements.txt that pin versions fail. I feel so sorry for Windows people.
I figured I'd give it a shot since I had Windows 10 installed to play Obduction, but the developer experience on it is awful.
 
user6568562
6:17 PM
@AndrasDeak Remarkable
 
user6568562
A bit like when you place your hand in front of a torchlight
 
6:29 PM
YES
> Error pre-reading 4.1 kB (4,096 bytes) from offset 4.2 GB (4,176,687,104 bytes) (g-io-error-quark, 0)
\o/
 
user6568562
What is it telling you about your card ?
 
it's dying:)
rather than my phone acting up, which is great
time to test that kingston lifetime warranty:D
 
user6568562
: D Show them hell
 
6:56 PM
finally my avatar cache is clean
 
Yeah, My eyes hurt a little less.
 
:D
the situation got so bad that all my gravatars seem to have changed by now
which suggests that I was right here
 
@davidism so the real crap are the requirements.txt's that pin versions
 
In this specific case it caused extra problems, but no, the whole thing's awful.
 
Setting up the 2010 compiler for Win 10 Py3.4 was absolutely awful. The only way to avoid some stupid version check was to download two separate isos, merge the contents of both, and run a setup file manually.
Just downloading the x86 iso wasn't enough, it would fail while looking for x64 files, even though the iso was supposedly specifically for x86. Argh.
 
so: an OS without a compiler
helpless as a Rigelian sandworm in water without a bicycle
and cbg anw
 
7:44 PM
Does this new answer add any useful info apart from what's already there? stackoverflow.com/a/39429957/4099593
 

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