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10:00 AM
@Ven ?
 
@Griwes Yup, now you can start opening bug reports for generic constexpr lambdas :D
 
:D
 
Ven
@Griwes weren't you the one with a Ts... lambda gcc bug?
 
Not much overlap with Clang language features though. I like it more when both implement the same features :/
 
@Ven That's not my bug - it's litb's one.
:P
 
Ven
10:01 AM
well, the bug you reported, right¿
you get me..
 
No, it's a bug litb reported.
Like all fringe bugs ever.
 
/s/fringe/cringe/
 
:D
I hope I don't forget to update my slides with the image of the clang empty parameter packs not being sfinaed bug before CppCon.
 
So many regressions I want to laugh ç_____ç
(at work)
 
:D
 
10:07 AM
I still have trouble understandinng the problem that std::launder solves.
 
@Morwenn dirty clothes from coding all night?
Preventing the police from finding you after you've sold illicit software?
 
@Aaron3468 It only launders pointers to reference or const subojects, so probably not.
 
does coliru have al libs?
 
Haha, alright.
 
> The intent of this restriction is to permit optimizers to rely upon the original values of const and reference members in their analysis of subsequent code. However, this makes it difficult to implement certain desirable functionality such as optional<T>; see this discussion for more details.
 
10:09 AM
@Griwes It's gibberish to me :(
I guess I don't understand the original UB.
 
Dunno if it's in minutes, but Ville explained it as "this is the functionality that actually allows optional<T> to work". :D
 
Ven
This guy.
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A: Method Error Rails

Hasmukh RathodError message says: nil.documents It means the User class object is not created. Try to login. Once you are logged in, the error will be resolved.

 
@Griwes Sounds good :D
 
> The rules given in 3.8 [basic.life] paragraph 7 for when an object's lifetime can be ended and a new object created in its storage include the following restriction: the type of the original object is not const-qualified, and, if a class type, does not contain any non-static data member whose type is const-qualified or a reference type
 
Ven
Question: "I have a problem with this method when the user is not authenticated"
Indian Answer: "Well, log in then"
 
10:10 AM
Makes sense in many contexts
 
At this moment I have enough gripes with C++ and C++ libraries that I think I'll need to just take the dive into rust or something =.= so I can find out all code is bug-ridden and poorly designed... especially my own
 
So the core issue was that you weren't allowed to do foo.~T(); new (&foo) T(); on types that contained const or reference members (which I do not believe is detectable in user code).
And std::launder is, I believe, a magic thing that's meant to fool the optimizers.
 
@Ven Nice answer though +1
 
(Or explain to them that you're not using the same object anymore. So I'd guess it's to fool them.)
@Morwenn ^
 
@Griwes My fundamental problem is that I don't understand the rationale behind this restriction :/
 
10:12 AM
is not enthusiastic about hearing that std needs to be bigger
 
Ven
@sehe uh, thanks
 
3 mins ago, by Griwes
> The intent of this restriction is to permit optimizers to rely upon the original values of const and reference members in their analysis of subsequent code. However, this makes it difficult to implement certain desirable functionality such as optional<T>; see this discussion for more details.
As usual with restrictions that look moronic: optimizers.
 
@Griwes Ooooh, I misread that as « the intent of std::launder » in my head :o
Now it makes sense.
 
@Morwenn No, it's literally the paragraph after the standard quote in the description of the CWG issue :D
 
Uh, I'm probably dumb again then.
 
10:15 AM
@Morwenn I don't know what confuses you right now. :P
 
No, right before now :p
Now it's pretty clear, thanks :)
 
> At least, that's what I'm gathering after a few minutes of glancing through the above links. N4430 is a little dense to read. :)
(That's Sean Middleditch on std-discussion. :D)
Richard's papers that include wording tend to be... dense. :D
 
The problem when I work in oceanography is that I constantly want to know more about small details in satellite photos and I end up reading lists of micronations and why they exist.
@Griwes You don't say ._______.
 
:D
They probably aren't as dense for Richard though.
Talking with him makes you almost sure he has the entire text of the standard in his brain.
 
He understands the whole logic of core language concepts.
The guaranteed copy elision thing proves it: « let's just change value categories! ».
 
10:20 AM
Yeah.
 
Not sure many are able to do that.
 
I've tried to read that paper.
I failed.
 
Ven
seeing that little "+1" after a bad answer you downvoted got deleted feels nice.
 
@Griwes Cubbi seems to grasp the changes.
 
@Morwenn "Cubbi"?
Either way, Richard's probably one of two people on the planet understanding the core language pretty much fully, the other one being Jens.
 
10:21 AM
@Griwes From cppreference.com; he's also here from time to time.
His change log:
> I think that's all for the "simplified" value categories
 
:D
 
those poor cats.
 
11:26 AM
Hi all, I have stupid noob question regarding assignment of values to pointers, am I right here?
 
@Bechi no
 
Well, can you please tell me were to ask my question?
 
Well, yes, that was obvious, but ...
Probably you are right
 
nwp
@Bechi you can also try there
 
11:30 AM
Thank you very much
 
nwp
Maybe Got a C++ question? Go to the C++ room! should be in the rules or even pinned instead of the rules.
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Ven
11:53 AM
bold please
 
@nwp We'll see how it goes
 
nwp
Got a C++ question? Go to the C++ room!
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Ven
@sehe ^ pls :)
thanks @nwp
 
Could do without the exclamation I think. But, ok anyways
 
Thank you @sehe and everyone
 
12:14 PM
anybody has any fucking clue why even number sized buffers work fine with alBufferData but odd sized buffers don't?
 
Ven
If you think we consider this a favor..
 
fuck, i know why already
 
 
12:31 PM
@Ven I think that was about yesterday
 
Ven
12:59 PM
@sehe sorry?
 
Bought oyster knife & successfully shucked oysters!!!
 
gooooooooood jooooooooob
 
@Telkitty No poisoning, yet? :)
 
nope
been eating those for a week now, a few everyday
next time I will buy opened ones :p
too much effort
2 gloves, a towel and a oyster knife
 
nwp
that will probably cause freshness issues
 
1:10 PM
will get them from an oyster farm, freshly shucked
seriously, by the time I shuck a dozen oysters, I would have lost all appetite to eat them
 
nwp
change the setting, make it like a fondue and a social event
 
also forgot to wash them with fresh water - too salty
 
Ven
oyster fondue?
you dare say that before a french guy?
have you got no SHAME?
 
nwp
I meant that you are not expected to get full from the food, but sure, you can fry the oysters in cheese with cherry
 
I have been doing 8km-13km a day walking+jogging & I am not losing any weight - too much good food and alcohol
I should try rabbit diet for once ...
 
1:20 PM
I found another part of my bike I have a photo of and no idea what it is
it's so annoying
people writing docs are bad universally
 
Ven
@Morwenn <3
 
:o
 
and I have an alarm installed which just complicates things
it has more cabling than a freaking helicopter
oh well okay it was a voltage regulator
 
Guys, I have news.
If you ever did export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=something:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH, go back and change that.
 
reason?
 
1:33 PM
If LD_LIBRARY_PATH has not been set, you end up with an empty segment in LD_LIBRARY_PATH, and that means "search also the current directory".
This is also true for PATH, but PATH is virtually never empty, so that's not an issue.
 
Ven
@Morwenn (for your comment)
@tomekpe Also there are several competing proposals to include a generic range view into the standard (and even a mutable range view called a « span » as the one provided in Microsoft GSL). The proposals might need to reach design agreement before vendors start implementing it. — Morwenn 13 mins ago
 
@Ven Oh, thanks :p
Actually I didn't notice that the answer was from you ^^'
 
uegh, so I found how the turning signal thing looks like
that's progress
 
Ven
@Morwenn I realized so :P
 
now I have no idea where to find it on the actual bike
 
Ven
1:37 PM
on my way to 15k
 
@Griwes wow stringly typed list of strings being problematic to use, didn't expect that
 
Ven
is this TCL
 
@milleniumbug Found that out when ls started segfaulting me in a lib64 of a cross-compiling sysroot ;_;
 
Ven
oshit
 
Ven
1:46 PM
haha yeah it was on r/starcraft
pretty funny
 
very well edited
 
2:25 PM
wow some starcraft as I log in
 
ffs\
I am trying to convert unix timestamps to dates in knime
and I found a solution on the internets - use time shift and use ms as unit
that'd work great, except this fucking node only accepts integer for some reason, not long
 
nwp
@Puppy play this instead
 
for fucks sake
 
anyone knows morse?
it's destroying my brain atm
 
2:46 PM
@Ven Follow the reply arrows. If you don't know why you said that... Forget about it
@ChemiCalChems No re-morse
 
@sehe once i learn it, it's gonna be awesome
meanwhile imma be screwed
 
Very. Obviously
 
Ven
@sehe you really know how to be an ass for absolutely no reason
 
@Puppy At Dreamhack I didn't know half the players because I haven't been watching the pro scene for so long but whenever a Terran lost I cheered. Because fuck Terrans.
 
Ven
"I hereby refuse to ever clarify what the fuck I'm talking about, because I'm sehe".
fuck you too etienne
 
2:56 PM
When True did those beautiful baneling drops on Polt I was ecstatic.
 
Ven
TRUE is god
 
nwp
didn't know Flash plays zerg in sc2
 
Ven
Flash doesn't even play SC2 anymore.
(and he played T)
 
3:17 PM
because broodwar > sc2
 
Ven
yawns
sorry, I was supposed to engage in a holy war? who do you think we are? Bartek?
 
aha
already had this discussion
 
Ven
probably with Bartek.
Apr 19 at 7:59, by coincoin
@BartekBanachewicz Actually Broodwar is much a better game. Better balance, more interesting to play. It's not about hype, it's just about the game...
called it, chat.
 
Ven
3:55 PM
hahahaha
Maybe this one will only have two or three reimplementations of Asio, String, etc
6
 
4:09 PM
@Ven Why did you say this? I'm so confused.
 
wow everything is logged here. We have to watch our mouth
 
4:24 PM
haven't heard anything about qt for a while. they don't seem growing at all.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The greed.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Is it greed?
 
@caps From what he's said, no. He's publicly stated that in his mind, money is just a way of keeping score. For him it's apparently all about "winning" (for some definition of the word that I find a bit strange, though it's apparently not all that rare).
 
4:50 PM
@JerryCoffin Who's "he"?
 
@caps Oh, sorry. Larry Ellison.
 
5:55 PM
> Oracle and Google might be really mad, but the maddest one of them all is Judge Alsup, who is clearly sick of everyone and would very much like for this case to leave his courtroom forever. “Do you know how many Social Security claimants I can't rule on right now because you're arguing over a costs bill?” he snapped at Google’s attorneys.
He snapped at the wrong guy.
Google is Jesus. Oracle is Hitler.
@JerryCoffin He really exudes this winner-loser kind of mentality.
 
@sehe I didn't make the song, I made the player
 
Ven
Removing script tags before saving it in the db shows that 1) you don't understand the extent of XSS/CSRF 2) you seemingly don't understand escaping in general 3) you're not using your tools correctly — Ven 22 secs ago
@StackedCrooked disgusting ):'
 
ADG
6:12 PM
please see this code. working fine in ubuntu16.04 g++5.1.0 but not in ubuntu12.10 g++4.6.3
 
cleanup on aisle three!
 
Ven
6:55 PM
Hi nab
Did you notice that your nick strangely resembles ban
 
user1804599
@sehe oeveul zou 't schefs schille van 't roosendaols?
 
Ven
tg toi jeune droguée
 
Les jeunes de nos jours.
 
@Ven no, because it doesn't
 
Ven
7:35 PM
Incroyable ces jeunes; nespa et1ne
 
@rightfold nie heul veul
@Ven what did I missay :( IDGI
 
user1804599
8:06 PM
XD
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
RIP Links
 
8:29 PM
can any one give me the good templates or example of good technical Resume's
?
 
copy and paste my profile from LinkedIn
 
@jayantsingh no
 
?
@Mikhail i want technical resume
with programming and codin
skills
 
plz, its spelled skillz
 
8:36 PM
no its skills i think
 
 
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10:09 PM
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3 messages moved to bin
 
@sehe Hey!
 
sehe sehey sayhey
 
10:24 PM
I should flag his over aggressive moderation.
 
@Mikhail I see no "over agressive moderation" here.
 
meta discussion was binned
oh well
 
@itsDanBull i can play no mans sky on the cheap play elite and when ever you land on a planet load up a new minecraft level
 
"Aggressive moderation" tickles my funny bone a little though.
 
10:28 PM
Moderate aggression
 
@Griwes what's the correct way to do that?
Guard?
 
Ven
Hi @Borgleader :3
 
sup
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Probably something like export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=foo${LD_LIBRARY_PATH:+:}${LD_LIBRARY_PATH}.
 
10:58 PM
@Borgleader I presume Trump's lie-clock is the propeller that keeps the heavens floating above
@Borgleader no onebox here either i.imgur.com/COjLnSV.jpg
 
fuck, why can't we have stuff after a return statement, I know RAII covers that but do you guys know the motivation for why we can't foo(){return 1:something_else();}
junk like that works in MATLAB for example
I really want to return std::move(output_free_queue_.front()) but can't because I need to pop()...
 
user1804599
@sehe :(
 
user1804599
IJ ee sùkker
 
11:19 PM
@Mikhail The reason why pop() doesn't return the value popped is because it's impossible to get strong-exception safety.
IIRC that is.
 
Its trivial to write a wrapper, but I'm more interested in why we can't have stuff happen past return? (although we do in the form of destruction...)
oh wait
I think I get it
I should go home and sleep
man, but like, we could totally, still have postfixes assigned to functions
doesn't Eiffel or some other language do this?
 
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