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2:00 PM
@Kevin SGITW?
 
that is realy old 7 years and outdated — Irena Jodeikiene 32 secs ago
 
@MorganThrapp I'm sad that that comment is gone now. I'm glad that you saved it for posterity, though
 
@WayneWerner Me too. :D
 
Haha, comment dogpile.
 
@AnttiHaapala That's so good.
 
2:04 PM
To be fair to OP, I don't trust Microsoft to keep an interface consistent for 7 years.
 
json.dumps has a boolean check_circular arg so if you feed it a recursive container it will raise ValueError: Circular reference detected instead of raising RecursionError. I'm writing a custom json.JSONEncoder so I guess I should handle that arg. But I can't find a simple way to do circular reference detection. I guess I could just get the repr of the object and do a regex search for any unquoted [...] or {...}, but that seems a bit kludgy. Any suggestions?
 
@Kevin Fair, but the modules themselves have updated in those 7 years.
 
I'm thinking a DFS over the data structure, keeping a collection of all parent ids to compare against
 
They're also using a 7 year old OS, so it's probably perfect. ;)
 
cbg all
 
2:09 PM
cabbage
 
Cbg
 
user559633
cbg :)
 
@PM2Ring If you look at the Python implementation I'm pretty sure it just keeps a list of id()s that it's seen
 
@Kevin I was hoping to avoid doing that. :) I guess the list and dict __repr__ do that, but they're doing it in C, so it's faster than doing it in Python.
 
def contains_loop(obj, ancestor_ids = ()):
    if id(obj) in ancestor_ids:
        return True
    ancestor_ids = ancestor_ids + (id(obj),)
    if isinstance(obj, list) or isinstance(obj, tuple) or isinstance(obj, set):
        for item in obj:
            if contains_loop(item, ancestor_ids):
                return True
        return False
    elif isinstance(obj, dict):
        for key, value in obj.iteritems():
            if contains_loop(key, ancestor_ids):
                return True
            if contains_loop(value, ancestor_ids):
Something like that.
 
anybody ever work with NASA's weather data?
 
@Ffisegydd I'm guessing you've seen stackoverflow.com/q/13856597/344286 by now? :P
 
I didn't actually look up the reason why, I don't want to know.
 
Too broad, No effort, Clear dupe and see the comments below the answer stackoverflow.com/q/37668822/4099593
 
@Kevin Thanks. I guess that's not too bad. I just don't want to bloat my code, it's already much bigger than I was expecting. FWIW, I don't think I need to worry about sets, since they can only contain hashable things. As far as I can figure, there's no way to make a recursive set in Python. Similarly, it's not possible to make a pure recursive tuple, but of course a tuple can contain a recursive list or dict.
 
2:22 PM
cabbage all
 
Interestingly (and horribly) enough, they do the same thing that Java does. Only in Java, Strings are objects, so "this big ol string" == "this big ol string" will probably return false, at least if they're not interned like small numbers in python :P
 
to be fair, ([(2,1),(3,1),(4,2)]) is a list of tuples. ([(2,1),(3,1),(4,2)],) is a tuple containing a list of tuples
cbg Dave!
 
cbg davidsim
 
@WayneWerner Interesting! For some reason I assumed that the json module was written in C. I kinda wish I'd seen that earlier, my JSONEncoder might have ended up looking a bit nicer. :)
 
I'm 95% sure we've had the "is it possible to make a recursive tuple?" conversation before but I can't remember the conclusion
 
2:24 PM
FWIW, I know at least in the collections module, lowercase names indicate written in C. I think that's supposed to be across the board?
 
@Kevin you can if you create a tuple containing a mutable object..
 
At least I have vague recollections of hearing that from a talk by Raymond Hettinger
 
Let's say we specifically want a is a[0] to be true.
 
>>> t = [],
>>> t[0].append(t)
>>> t
([([...],)],)
@Kevin that you can't. Because in order to create the recursive structure you need to obtain a reference to the object to add to itself somewhere. And that requires two steps.
Since tuples are immutable themselves, you can't create a tuple that references itself this way.
 
Agreed.
 
2:26 PM
Not with just Python anyway.
Mix in cython and you can do whatever the hell you like.
 
@Ffisegydd === checks the Object identities
 
but you might be able to do something with a tuple that contains a list. But that would again take a second step
 
@inspectorG4dget: see above.
 
I bet it's possible if you exploit implementation details, but then it's not really Python.
 
@inspectorG4dget Yeah, but that doesn't count as a pure recursive tuple.
 
2:27 PM
ahh indeed
@PM2Ring I guess. I'd still think of it as a recursive structure, just not defined so in one step
 
>>> b = []; b.append(b); tuple(b)
([[...]],)
 
@Kevin yes, create t = (None,) then reach into the C structure to bypass the immutable nature of tuples to replace the reference to None with the address of the tuple.
 
... which I suppose a functional purist would hate...
 
@PM2Ring that's not a tuple of a tuple though. That's a tuple containing a recursive list.
 
Yeah, I just tried that one :P
 
2:29 PM
Unrelated: A good answer here stackoverflow.com/a/37703004/4099593
 
this is what I was thinking
t = ([],)
t[0].append(t)
which should give ([([([],)],)],). See what I mean?
 
@MartijnPieters I just did, and FINALLY noticed the , after the [] in your first line. I had not noticed this before and was therefore very confused by your result
 
@BhargavRao no, that's not a good answer. It is a non-constructive answer. Yes funny, not good.
 
Everybody just pretend I didn't say anything for the last 5 minutes
 
2:31 PM
I missed it at first, too ;)
 
@inspectorG4dget :-D
 
Incidentally you can get a recursive list in one line with a = a[0] = [1], but ofc that second assignment doesn't work if you try a = a[0] = (1,)
 
then I tried to dupe and figured it out, lol
 
@MartijnPieters Indeed. It was just the code that I had before you posted your version. So if I use the regex method of circular reference detection I only have to look for unquoted [...] or {...}, since (...) is impossible. Similarly, I don't have to worry about sets or frozensets. But I guess I do have to worry about custom containers, so the regex method is probably not so good.
 
@Kevin that's because serial assignment like that is applied from left to right. And tuples are still not mutable. :-)
 
2:32 PM
Yep yep
 
@Kevin somebody please explain that to me?
 
@inspectorG4dget: value on the right hand side is put on the stack, so [1] here.
@inspectorG4dget: assignment then takes place from left to right. a = stack_value (so a = [1]).
 
wouldn't it be [1]?
 
recbg
 
cbg, Andras
 
2:34 PM
then a[0] = stack_value (so a[0] = [1] – but it is the exact same list object)
 
cbg Andras
 
so the 1 at index 0 in the list is replaced by a reference to the list itself.
 
that makes sense. And thanks for the edit. That clarifies much :)
that reminds me of your for a[0] in a list rotation
 
Yeah, sorry, omitting the 1 in there was.. not helpful.
 
@inspectorG4dget Ah, ok. So I do need (...). :)
 
2:36 PM
@PM2Ring not necessarily. a = [], is the same as a = ([],)
much thanks @MartijnPieters. I've learned something new today
 
bah, too much python before coffee;)
 
I've learned a few new things today. And it's only 14:37 UTC!
 
now, if only NASA would cooperate with me, I can get some actual work done, rather than frolicking with my friends on sopython
 
so is a recursive list a useful animal? or is it a weird equivalent of a nan?
I keep getting [[...]] from the interpreter
>>> len(a)
1
>>> a
[[...]]
>>> a[0]
[[...]]
>>> a[:]
[[[...]]]
heh ^
 
7
Q: What's the use of a circular reference?

SuperBiasedManIn Python you can append a list to itself and it will accept the assignment. >>> l = [0,1] >>> l.append(l) >>> l [0, 1, [...]] >>> l[-1] [0, 1, [...]] My question is why? Python allows this rather than throwing an error, is that because there's a potential use for it or is it just because it ...

 
2:39 PM
@BhargavRao oh wad'ya know there's an SO post:P Thanks:)
 
See @kev's comment there.
 
@inspectorG4dget The repr of your t = ([],); t[0].append(t) is ([(...)],). So if I use regex on the repr of an object as a kludgy way to search for circular refs I need to search for (...) as well as [...] and {...}.
 
You might end up with a recursive list if you're trying to represent a directed graph that may or may not have cycles
 
A recursive list, maybe not so much, but for sure recursive structures
 
Nice comment there, @Bhargav:D
 
2:40 PM
I mean, it's technically the same thing
 
Hey, apparently I already made that point a year ago. At least I'm consistent.
 
@AndrasDeak Thanks ;)
 
https://imgur.com/zvXCT5v

Encountered this. I kinda don't get it. Why `2*10000 is 2*10000` is False, but `20000 is 20000` is True
 
wow this is aggravating....work laptop can't resolve 'chat.stackoverflow.com'
 
@PM2Ring thanks for the tip
 
2:41 PM
I hate computers
 
@Highstaker you can include code you know
 
@Highstaker is is identity
 
@Highstaker that 20000 is 20000 is true is an implementation detail.
 
you get True for is with integers below 250 or something?
 
The answer to all questions of the form "why does <expression> is <expression> act weird?" is "because the implementation can do whatever it wants"
 
2:42 PM
and it's only True on accident
 
The compiler caches constants in many circumstances.
 
or is that another language?:D
 
Because it is an implementation detail you should never be surprised when it is suddenly not true.
 
@Kevin the cool kids in C++ call it undefined behaviour
 
Don't ever use is unless you know you want it to be the same object.
 
2:43 PM
@MartijnPieters or None? None seems to be special
 
None is a singleton, use is to test for it. Almost everything else has better options.
 
cool
 
@AndrasDeak btw, that's true. 2*10 is 2*10 is True
 
206
A: "is" operator behaves unexpectedly with integers

CybisTake a look at this: >>> a = 256 >>> b = 256 >>> id(a) 9987148 >>> id(b) 9987148 >>> a = 257 >>> b = 257 >>> id(a) 11662816 >>> id(b) 11662828 EDIT: Here's what I found in the Python 2 documentation, "Plain Integer Objects" (It's the same for Python 3): The current implementation keeps an ...

 
The reason that your test is False in CPython is that it caches calculations, but only if smaller than a certain size.
 
2:44 PM
yes that ^^
 
The sleight-of-hand occurring in that image is tricking the reader into thinking that Python's is behaves identically to English's is
 
Because you really don't want to cache 'a' * 20000 as one constant.
 
python "memorizes" a bunch of "small" numbers, and computes larger ones. So, when it computes `2*10000`, it does the math, and sticks the result in some memory location. When you ask it again, it doesn't just access the old memory location - it computes the number all over again. However, `20000` is a small enough number for python to have memorized. So every time you ask for `20000`, it just accesses the memory location where it is stored.

If you want to test for equality of the numbers, use `==`. If you want to test whether two things are references to the same thing, then use `is`
 
Cheers, @WayneWerner
 
It's one of the most surprising beginner behaviors
 
2:45 PM
before i bother reporting this as a bug in the python stdlib.. does anyone else think that this behavior is wrong?
>>> ipaddress.ip_address('::ffff:137.138.252.73') in ipaddress.ip_network('137.138.0.0/16')
False
>>> ipaddress.ip_address('137.138.252.73') in ipaddress.ip_network('137.138.0.0/16')
True
 
You can tell what topics are a touchy subject for a particular community when one question gets a full page of replies simultaneously ;-)
 
@ThiefMaster isn't it?
 
@AndrasDeak The CPython low integer cache contains range(-5, 257). i.e. -5 to 256, inclusive
 
doesn't the /16 mean ...0.0 to ...255.255?
 
See the source code for details on constant folding.
 
2:46 PM
singletons sound like fun
 
@AndrasDeak Until you use them, then they're stupid
 
I remember being really surprised with
```
>>> a = 23
>>> b = 23
>>> id(a)==id(b)
True
```

XD
 
@PM2Ring thank you, I read that in the mean time in the post linked by Wayne:)
 
@WayneWerner: yes, so the ip on the left is part of that network
the only difference is that i used the ipv6 representation of the ipv4 address in the first statement
 
@WayneWerner I don't think I'll ever have to, so it can sound like fun:P
 
2:47 PM
But it works only up to a certain number.
 
@Highstaker more implementation details. All integers between -5 and 255 (IIRC) are interned.
 
None, in more than 5 years, has been the only valid use of singleton I've ever encountered :D
 
There is only ever one copy of the value 23 in a CPython interpreter.
@WayneWerner NotImplemented is another one.
 
@ThiefMaster oooh. Well... is that, strictly speaking, true?
 
As is Ellipsis.
 
2:48 PM
256 also works for me.
 
@ThiefMaster has the same display pic as @GamesBrainiac. This is going to make for a very confused me
 
I guess those are good ones. I've not used them myself yet, though ;)
 
@inspectorG4dget the blue name should be a stronger stimulus
 
@ThiefMaster that kind of seems like saying is a rectangle a square...
 
@inspectorG4dget look closer, they are not the same.
 
2:49 PM
i.e. ipv6 is a superset of ipv4
 
@WayneWerner Antti and I made a singleton Any that acts as a wildcard in comparisons. stackoverflow.com/a/29867270/4014959
 
Read names?!
http://www.gifbooster.com/wp-content/uploads/1306/aint-nobody-got-time-for-that-meme_68_paused.jpg
 
@inspectorG4dget: Thiefmaster uses the original Octocat, Games Braniac uses Megacat.
 
too much detail to discern in under 1/3rd of a second
 
user559633
2:51 PM
looking at github having the time and money to draw silly sketches of their logo, i really want that VC money
 
oh....I should have done this before raging
We are preparing to move DNS for Stack Exchange and Stack Overflow to Route53. If you see any DNS related issues, please let us know.
 
user559633
if people took the time to research, there'd hardly be any rage on the internet
 
world peace and all that
 
@tristan if people took the time to research, there'd hardly be any rage on the internet
FTFY
 
user559633
2:56 PM
word peace is a tough nut to crack as long as we have people demanding others live their lives based on some ancient fiction
 
@tristan or modern fiction, for that matter
 
we should run for president
 
It couldn't be any worse than our current choice
 
I think we'd do a pretty good job
 
2:58 PM
@tristan you should see some of the scrabble games I've been in. There's no hope of word peace
 
Canada, you've got my vote.
 
user559633
run for president in america.
 
@WayneWerner #anythingsbetterthantrump
 
Canada will warm you with its cold icy blanket of the north.
 
user559633
our current presidential contenders are a reality tv show contestant, a megalomaniac criminal, and a first year liberal arts student still on the part of his acid trip where everything is connected and can be paid for with hugs
 
3:00 PM
I understood each of those words, but when they're put together, it makes no sense to me
 
That sounds like the current election cycle
:D
:(
 
@MartijnPieters 256
 
user559633
hooray, america's political system is fucked!
 
I can get you all jobs at Dairy Queen to start you off in your new lives in Canada. The sky is the limit.
 
3:03 PM
@PM2Ring doesn't work with hashing tho :D
 
@AnttiHaapala I guess not. :)
@AnttiHaapala I already said that. :p
 
@tristan hooray, america 's political system is fucked!
today's lesson: NASA has some really cool stuff on their website
 
Noting the presidential candidate (from this chat group) comments I recall that quote from Bertrand Russel. "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are so confident while the intelligent are so full of doubt."
3
 
user559633
america will be fine. don't mistake america or americans for the sleaze that gets elected into political positions
 
3:07 PM
@AnttiHaapala I have an off-by-one error in my memory then.
 
user559633
@Cam_Aust that's a great quote
 
And as my my country Australia, politically we are current copying every thing of the US far right as much as we can. Not sure that is a good thing. All the US citizens that I have met out here, change their mind and move here as its "better". That's gonna change!.
 
@Cam_Aust I think that's actually fairly true in general. The more you know, the more doubt you have room for.
 
fwiw, I've never met anyone from America that matched the political sleaze. Everyone I have met from down south has been awesome, actually.
 
@Cam_Aust It's probably all our fault. Sorry.
 
3:08 PM
everyone has their fair share of fubar politics
 
I wonder which way the causal arrow points, there. Does intelligence cause doubt, or does doubt cause intelligence?
 
@idjaw That's mostly true. Most Americans (and human beings) are actually... surprise! Human beings.
 
user559633
@idjaw sample bias
 
user559633
but yeah, i feel that way about most people of the world.
 
@Kevin I think doubt opens up the possibility for intelligence. It's not necessarily a causal relationship. Though there's a bit of Dunning-Krueger going on there, I'm sure
 
3:10 PM
Two men look at a rainbow. "What causes that?" asks the doubtful man. "Leprechauns, probably," says the confident man, and returns to his work, thinking no more about the issue. But the doubtful man is still wondering as he dozes that night.
 
@WayneWerner oh I've seen that. I'm already saving up to have some printed and framed
 
With a psychologist in the family I can confirm that the general view is smarter people have more doubt as they can see many more possibilities, permutations, interpretations to any situation, and hence have a lot more to process to make decisions or come to a set of actions.
 
those posters are fantastic. They're just out of this world!
 
I mean, I know a lot of ignoramuses who have a lot of doubt about things that they have been taught. Of course maybe it's a difference between understanding and simply hearing a thing.
 
In my board game group I tend to lose a lot. The host has remarked that I'm good at coming up with an effective strategy, and then overthinking my way out of it.
 
3:12 PM
rbrb... my son needs some playing car time
 
enjoy :)
 
user559633
have a good day everyone
 
vroom vroom
 
later @tristan good luck with today's grind
 
user559633
@idjaw cheers, you too. i'm on track to go private beta jul 1st ^____^
 
3:13 PM
I also note few people can actually truly listen to another .. to hear where the other is coming from, rather than just listening to their own thinking in response to what the other is saying (so listening to their own head talk rather than what the other person is actually saying and their reality.
 
user559633
as long as i keep up these 98 hour weeks
 
@Cam_Aust the main reason why I don't talk politics with my countrymen
 
I spend a good 80% of conversations thinking about what I'm going to say next.
 
user559633
anyway, k bai (and Cam_Aust, you're a great addition to the room; I hope you become a regular)
 
@tristan awesome man! As long as you're taking moments to breath and unwind here and there and it's all under control mentally, keep it up. It's almost there! :)
 
3:15 PM
@WayneWerner Yep spend the time, mine just left home.
 
user559633
@idjaw Good advice; thanks
 
Hungarians are especially stubborn when it comes to politics-talk (I know it's probably everybody, not just us, but I tend to only know Hungarians)
 
Hungarians stubborn? Never! :)
 
@tristan hey thanks. I working myself that way. Enjoy the conversation.
 
so you either fully agree with the other guy and the discussion is a circle-jerk, or you disagree and very soon even poo will be flung
so it's all moot
 
3:19 PM
@AndrasDeak Well my observation in Australia is about 80% to 90% of people play politics a bit like their sport. Their political party is like their footy team, and any objectivity on actions, policy is about as objective as their view on the referee's decisions in a footy match. Their side is always right!
 
yeah that always works out great when you have to decide who you let near power:P
 
Power corrupts, and absolute power is just terrific!
ooh it all just got quiet??
 
but Absolut power is something only Putin would know
 
Need a bit of advice. Which is a better dupe target 1 or 2?
 
Amongst a few others in the world.
@BhargavRao Hi, well that brought the discussion back on topic!
 
3:26 PM
Nevermind, This trumps them all
 
@inspectorG4dget Him or the swedes.
 
Hi @Cam_Aust, Buu... This other message changes the topic again. ;)
 
@BhargavRao Well with your first question, numbers = raw_input() seems the way to go if you want a user input list of some description, then depending on the kind of input you seek, do the validation check on the input from there. Remember I am just learning.
 
Yep @Cam. I noticed a lot of posts (12 till now) asking "How to Convert a comma separated string to a list of numbers". So I've been trying to clean them up and find the best target which suits all the questions. :)
 
@inspectorG4dget I see what you did there :p
 
3:35 PM
@BhargavRao Hope you get good points reward for your efforts.
 
@JonClements He's the resident pun master pundit ;)
@Cam_Aust Thanks.
 
@BhargavRao ahem pundit
 
@inspectorG4dget Thanks, you made me ping @Jon 3 times.
 
DSM
Late morning cabbage for all.
 
cabbage DSM
 
3:42 PM
@BhargavRao wait, did you not get what I did there? You never need to say "pun pundit" - that's like saying "ATM Machine", since "pundit" already starts with "pun"
lamoca @DSM
 
@inspectorG4dget Yep, I got that. But it was too late to be edited. Jon needs to edit that. :(
 
(though you don't have to change your last message and ping the puppy again)
tee hee
 
DSM
Has anyone had experience in testing code in conda environments on windows? I want to check out a branch from git, make a conda environment, and then run some tests within the environment, all from python. I don't know enough about windows shells to know the best way to pull that off.
 
sorry Morgan
 
3:52 PM
I could've helped up until conda. :/ I've never worked with it, sorry.
 
@DSM I have used the conda package on OSX, however, have not run from within python. In terms of setting up environments I found this helpful: conda.pydata.org/docs/using/envs.html
 
@inspectorG4dget Huh?
 
@BhargavRao I should come up with a fancy schmancy title for my punash
@MorganThrapp my comment on that MCVE question
 
@inspectorG4dget Oh, it's fine. You're basically saying the same thing I am, just a little nicer. ;)
 
Don't believe it, just helped someone solve a problem on Stackoverflow. Yahoo!
 
3:55 PM
tee hee. I try to hang back and let everyone else get frustrated and badger <OP> first. That way, when I come in all calm, OP feels like I'm goodCop and actually friggin cooperates with sanity
 
I hate OPs. They are the enemy.
 
“I must not OP.
OP is the mind-killer.
OP is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my OP.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the OP has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.”
3
 
OP is the little-death that brings total obliteration. - new sopython motto.
5
 
@MorganThrapp I've made similar modifications, where OP is replaced with a certain software base I'm working on :P
 
@WayneWerner That's how I feel about Oracle right now.
 
3:59 PM
The trick, right, is to drink. A lot.
 
@MorganThrapp Ugh. Most of mine were IBM products or tools.
 
It's noon and I have 4 votes left today. :/
 
That's a good day :P
 
is there a way to transfer votes? voting by proxy is a thing in the real world
 
I've got no votes.
 
4:03 PM
I'll happily vote by proxy for you :D
I haven't hit my cap for a while :P
 
that's kinda my point - if I don't have the time to cast my votes today, I could give them to someone I trust, that does
 
I usually hit 100 flags a day. (But these days I have slowed down)
 
I guess the alternative would be for you to post a bunch of links here, that I just blindly vote to <whatever you say>
 
The alternative is just :P
 
Effects of cleaning up dupes :(
 
4:09 PM
@BhargavRao don't look at my activity views then. ;-)
 
@MartijnPieters Hah! Thank SO, They don't provide that info. ;)
 
@WayneWerner should be perhaps have a for "you don't need to do your due diligence here because I already have. Just close it already"?
 
@inspectorG4dget heh. Seems like a good idea
 
Why not just share passwords and get it over with?
 
4:18 PM
@BhargavRao added python tag so someone can hammer
@Ffisegydd ack! I'd share needles before I share passwords
 
@BhargavRao Man you work hard!
 
@Cam_Aust he's a star :)
 
lol :D
 
@inspectorG4dget We expect people to do their due diligence before posting a cv-pls, but that doesn't mean you should then proceed to blindly vote without doing your due diligence. Of course, it's often the case that it's fairly obvious that a question needs to be closed, but please don't just close-vote on auto-pilot. Otherwise, we're just a voting gang. There are plenty of people on SO who don't even approve of cv-pls, they'd be horrified at cv-proxy.
 
4:30 PM
There have been a couple of cv-pls where I've not voted to close, because they weren't that bad (or maybe it was a mistake, or the OP fixed it between posts & whatnot)
 
I occasionally help out in SOCVR. When the question concerns a topic that I'm not familiar with I tend to err on the side of caution, unless it's obvious rubbish.
 
^that. I mean, there are some questions that aren't good (and maybe could never be good), and those are easy to spot.
 
Yeah, it's the borderline cases that are tricky. So generally it's a good idea to try to get the OP to fix the question first, or to discuss it here before CV-ing. That's why we have the 10 minute rule.
OTOH, if the question is so-so but needs cleaning up before it can be answered properly it may attract FGITWers who try to guess the details so they can write their possibly-irrelevant answer, so I reckon it's fair enough to act swiftly on those. We can always re-open if the OP repairs their question.
And of course dupes should be closed ASAP to stop the FGITWers. But please try to find a good dupe target. We want dupe questions to act as useful portals, so linking them to poorly-matched targets just to get them closed swiftly isn't helpful.
 
4:47 PM
Yeah, finding good dupe targets is usually what takes me a long time :P
 
@WayneWerner That's why we are canonicalizing ;)
 
@BhargavRao Indeed :) which has been super helpful for me a few times
 
how often to OP fix their question with a hintfull comment?
 
The dupe problem is a perennial topic on Meta. A large proportion of new questions that aren't rubbish are dupes, and that proportion will certainly get larger in the future. I guess that eventually there won't be much else to do here but close rubbish & link dupes. :)
 
@Cam_Aust <quite> Usually.
 
4:55 PM
@Cam_Aust That depends on the OP, and who's doing the asking. We get a pretty good success rate. We do get some OPs that don't want to cooperate, or are too incompetent to do so, but that's no big deal. We'd rather see the back of them, anyway. :)
 
This comment may upset given the topic and level of dedication to identify duplicate questions - but I will risk it. When I have searched, finding a few similar or duplicate questions even on a simple 'newbie' type questions has been helpful. The different comments to the different versions of the question is helpful for a start. ...
 
@Cam_Aust Sure, dupes can be great. But we'd rather have the answers to dupes consolidated in one place. That makes it easier to judge their relative merits.
 
.. and sometimes the differences highlight a better understanding of nuances to the question I have searched to seek an answer to my question. Eg I realise that two things are not in fact the same thing. I figure a comment from someone still close enough in time to remember things at the basic newbie level.
So you consolidate or delete the duplicates?
 
Any idea about this article stackoverflow.com/questions/37696936/… ?
 
4:59 PM
Or both?
 
@asimkon please don't post new questions in our room sopython.com/chatroom
 

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