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user1804599
1:00 PM
Because it's untyped.
 
Isn't the an SE site for people asking for others to provide code?
 
user1804599
Grass ftw.
 
user1804599
@thecoshman Stack Overflow
 
lol
 
Just try to imagine the child of Elyse and Perl 6.
 
user1804599
1:00 PM
@Morwenn Bjarne
 
@Morwenn It would have 7 genders
 
Way to hate your children.
 
user1804599
Bjarne's parents must have hated him.
 
user1804599
Imagine Bjarne in elementary school lol
 
:D
 
Ven
1:01 PM
@slaphappy it's (mostly) run-time type-checked (well, for classes. subs are mostly statically type-checked)
 
user1804599
Mostly as in Dart.
 
5 days to master c++, I know the basics of the language (loops, conditionals, OOP etc.) + WinApi. Anyone has any idea how to practice and learn FAST!
 
now I'm writing assembly code
 
Ven
@MadameElyse wat, no
Dart doesn't typecheck code
 
user1804599
@HackinGuy C++ is very complex and it takes a long time to learn it.
 
Ven
1:02 PM
Because its vm architect say "types don't help performance"
@HackinGuy you lost already :/.
 
user1804599
@Ven It kinda does, but does implicit downcasts, and type errors are just warnings.
 
Ven
@MadameElyse unsound type system
 
user1804599
Yeah it's way too unsound.
 
@HackinGuy what about templates and lambdas, do you know about them?
 
user1804599
I mean, Scala's is also unsound, but Dart's is just ridiculous.
 
Ell
1:04 PM
Type errors are just warnings? Wat :L
 
@HackinGuy lol
 
Ven
It's the same in Common Lisp :'(
 
@edition Not realy.. (a little bit using lambdas)
 
Ven
but that's because the CL standard doesn't mandate type checking. There's an option.
 
@Ven Thanks for the help ;)
 
Ven
1:05 PM
@HackinGuy Learn everything about linkage, type deduction, templates, move semantics, the standard lib (ex-STL), ODR, lambdas, user-defined/implicit conversions
and you're still at the beginning
 
@HackinGuy well, you could contribute to projects on github written in C++.
 
@MadameElyse I am not starting from the beginning, I wrote few projects in C++. I am looking for a way to make learn more and quickly + PRACTICE
 
lol, this thing is cloning llvm
 
user1804599
@Ven I need some way to take functions of any arity, e.g. if : forall a... b... . a... bool (a... -> b...) (a... -> b...) -> b...
 
Ven
@MadameElyse why, don't
 
1:06 PM
@edition I am not sure if I am at this level yet.. Do you have any basic project ideas?
 
user1804599
@Ven How else are you going to type if?
 
Ven
@MadameElyse if_then_else_ :: Bool -> t -> t -> t
 
@HackinGuy Don't do basic.
 
@HackinGuy Its your decision, choose what project interests you ;)
 
user1804599
@Ven bool -> t -> t -> t is a syntax error.
 
Ven
1:07 PM
@MadameElyse fix it
 
user1804599
There are no such functions.
 
user1804599
Functions take a stack and return a stack.
 
Ven
forall t. bool -> t -> t -> t, that is
 
@Ven Ok, thanks. By the way when I mean 'master c++' I don't mean work for NASA.. I want to feel confident to build some projects that can be useful.
@edition Ok, Thanks!
 
@HackinGuy your welcome.
 
1:09 PM
Any of you guys know about a good book that you have tried?
 
user1804599
@Ven A function of type a b c -> d e is a function that takes and returns a stack like this: gist.github.com/rightfold/e99a3da70675ebf5649c
 
Ven
@HackinGuy You're still gonna lose insane amount of time trying to debug stuff :\. Like interaction between implicit conversion and a constructor taking a template<class T> Ctor(T&&) to do perfect-forwarding
and your debugger will fuck up, and you'll be spending time looking at assembly before you figure it out
@MadameElyse so if is bool (-> a) (-> a) -> a ;o)
 
user1804599
@Ven no, if takes two functions.
 
user1804599
E.g. x {1} {2} if
 
Ven
1:11 PM
now?
 
user1804599
x {1 2} {3} if would be a type error since the true and false branches result in different stack sizes.
 
speaking of a similar topic to assembly, has anyone here written a CPU emulator?
 
brain function and liver function
@edition had to in college
 
user1804599
@edition I wrote a VM a few times. I didn't implement an emulator for any of the conventional instruction sets used by CPUs, though.
 
@sehe Seems really good, I will try it. Do you know about any good C++ books?
 
user1804599
 
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Q: The Definitive C++ Book Guide and List

grepsedawkThis question attempts to collect the few pearls among the dozens of bad C++ books that are published every year. Unlike many other programming languages, which are often picked up on the go from tutorials found on the Internet, few are able to quickly pick up C++ without studying a well-written...

 
@ElimGarak <3
@ElimGarak Thank you!!
 
Well, at least someone is excited. :P Enjoy yourself.
 
user1804599
@Ven Now I want to write 42 x {1 +} {2 -} if. Won't work; 1 + has type int -> int, not -> int.
 
Ven
make it a valued-if then
or smth
if can just return a function, doesn't matter
 
1:15 PM
@Ian: Yeah it sucks, but consider that programmers at Google, Facebook or Microsoft may visit SO from a very small number of IP addresses. When I worked at a device fingerprinting company, we had around 20K distinct devices coming from a single IP address (it was an AOL proxy server). — Eric J. 13 hours ago
Whoa. Nice war story
 
user1804599
@Ven Why that when I can introduce a feature that allows if to be parameterised on arbitrary many stack element types?
 
@HackinGuy Oh that... Elim already served it :)
 
Ven
:/
 
user1804599
Like if : forall a b. *a bool (*a -> *b) (*a -> *b) -> *b
 
GitHub is a bit annoying: it asks me whether I want to protect master whenever I force push to it.
 
1:18 PM
Is there no way to flag answers to be removed for something like "Clearly just trying to farm rep"
 
I have this strange perception of higher level languages that they are letting the user have less control and effectively less freedom over what is executed in their machine's CPU.
 
user1804599
@Morwenn AdBlock, problem solved.
 
Ven
@Morwenn --force-with-lease :P
 
user1804599
Right-click, AdBlock > Block this ad.
 
Am I wrong?
 
Ven
1:19 PM
@edition That's pretty strange.
 
@MadameElyse privacy badger, problem solved even better
 
@Ven --force-with-pleasure
 
Ven
@Morwenn now now
 
@Morwenn force push shouldn't be normal though... it's right to confirm it imo
 
Jan 22 at 16:17, by Luc Danton
@набиячлэвэлиь you’re thinking of --force-with-ease
IOW --force-with-lube
 
1:20 PM
@thecoshman Yeah, I know. It's just that I prefer my commit messages to be free of spelling mistakes, so I often amend them.
 
Me too. But not after push to master
 
@Morwenn so don't be so eager to push
 
@thecoshman Sometimes you need to push things to see your errors.
 
@sehe now now, let's be pedantic, after push to origin
@Morwenn lol, true that :P
 
No worries with force, no one forks the projects anyway. :P
 
Ven
fuck science
 
user1804599
This is going to be interesting.
 
"Science Says" i.e. we've misinterpreted a press release again
 
Ell
Science can't talk mayn
 
Ven
Overly Polite People Are Depressed, Says Science. We Say Our Editors Are Too.
 
1:24 PM
@wilx So... scam artists?
 
why? I frequently don't have the central repo as origin. Also, it doesn't matter, I don't amend my local master branch either, since the central one is leading. So, push to master.
Silly pirate.
 
@wilx Breaking news, people who don't seem like arseholes are the biggest arseholes!
 
> Germany and Austria were talking about how to combine forces to eliminate certain threats.
heh
 
user1804599
This is so difficult.
 
@sehe ¬_¬ this was in the context of github.
 
1:26 PM
@Morwenn Huh. Sounds like an interesting process flaw
@thecoshman Indeed. Mine too.
Hint: pirates make assumptions that git doesn't make
 
@MarkGarcia I swear there is a joke about the austro hungarian empire
 
@thecoshman I am just the bearer of news. I do not judge their significance! :)
 
Popele who don't act on compiler warnings seriously need some OCD in their life.
 
@wilx the same reason why black hat hackers are never trolls (I need quote on this)
 
@sehe Yeah, totally.
 
1:27 PM
@sehe my way of the high way :P
 
I wouldn't do that in a professional project though.
 
and elite trolls never DDos their beloved server
 
@wilx This is a really comfortable defense
 
@sehe Very.
 
@Morwenn you'd just deploy it live first
 
1:28 PM
I am a news bear
 
What do you say about "C++ Primer Plus 6th Edition by Stephen Prata" book?
 
Polar news
Didn't we link you to the definitive book list?

It's _definitive_
 
Ven
:D
 
It's a community posting. Believe me. Anyone who knows/cares has contributed
 
Ok
Thought that it may be not updated
 
1:30 PM
@HackinGuy C++ Primer is not to be confused with C++ Primer Plus (Shithen Prata), which is shit.
 
user1804599
@Ven I'm calling the VM "Typha" :)
 
also reminds me to not chat to depressed people, I tend to get depressed too ... and I was fine before the chat!!!
 
@ElimGarak Ok, I will go on C++ Primer 5th edition
 
@TelkittytheWebDeveloper if you or I were absent due to the fatal conclusion of depression from the Lounge, I don't think anyone would care.
 
Ven
Tifa
 
user1804599
1:36 PM
It's these plants:
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
Works well with "Grass".
 
user1804599
Did you know you can eat those plants? :D
 
user1804599
People make soup featuring their trunks.
 
@MadameElyse I didn't know.
 
user1804599
1:38 PM
Just don't eat the 'cigars'.
 
Ven
La belle quenouille.
 
what's this about cattails?
 
user1804599
I must design an instruction set.
 
@MadameElyse Why?
 
user1804599
1:46 PM
Because I need one.
 
Yo
 
@Shoe Oi!
 
@MadameElyse Unless you really have something new and different to add/contribute, there are quite a few out there, free for the taking (e.g., RISC-V).
 
About to tale an exam on web tech
 
Ew, web
 
1:49 PM
*take
 
lobster never finishes anything anyways, so it doesn't make any difference ...
 
@Shoe Sure you will tell after.
 
hello there /cc @Borgleader @ElimGarak @TonyTheLion @ThePhD @Xeo @набиячлэвэлиь
and see y'all later, it's time for work
 

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